Arabs or Hispanics, Which Do You Pick?

I pick Hispanics any day.
FG writes:

Many are concerned about the demographic and cultural Hispanicization of the US. It’s a big change that surely carries major costs and benefits. Who knows what the future holds? But I have to say that the future of the US seems brighter than that of Europe. Most Latinos do not fit the traditional American definition of white, but they are a (quasi-)Western people. From my perspective, that’s preferable to being demographically swamped by Muslims with their affinity for Shariah Law, as is happening with France, Holland, and other Western European states.

I don’t lose a lot of sleep over Hispanicization, but keep in mind that I’m a native Californian who grew up with Mexicans, took Spanish lessons at age 6, was raised on Mexican food, had Mexican girlfriends in high school and spent many vacations down in Old Mexico.
If you spend a lot of time around these 2nd generation and up Hispanics, you realize that they are so much like us Whites. For instance, just about every White teen cult has been replicated by Hispanics. There are Mexican bikers, hippies, punks, heavy metalers, skaters, emos, Goths, you name it, they have replicated it. On the other hand, Blacks have not replicated our cults like this. You don’t see a lot of Black bikers, hippies, punks, heavy metalers, skaters, emos, Goths, etc. It’s like Black people have this totally different culture that’s not like White culture at all.
The only reason that I an think of why these Hispanics are replicating our movements is because they are like us culturally and possibly genetically. Blacks may not be so much like us culturally, and they are not like us genetically.
Last nite I spent some time at the local market discussing honor killings with the local Yemeni (born in the US by the way). He defended them, and said that if a married woman cheated on her husband, she had to be put to death! He then said that Islam mandated this. It’s not true, and I argued with him about this, but he didn’t buy it. He also said that if an unmarried woman had sex, 10% of the time, her father would kill her, and this was proper.
He and his brother also told me that there was no such thing as Al Qaeda, no such thing as terrorism, and Jews did 9-11, not Arabs. I like these guys a lot (Arabs are great people), but it was quite a discouraging conversation.
Europe is experiencing this mindset in spades. I don’t envy them.

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  1. “On the other hand, Blacks have not replicated our cults like this. You don’t see a lot of Black bikers, hippies, punks, heavy metalers, skaters, emos, Goths, etc. It’s like Black people have this totally different culture that’s not like White culture at all.”
    I think it’s because the reverse is true. It’s white youth(as well as Latinos) that are emulating the styles of black kids in dress, slang and music.

    1. I don’t know. I agree that American White culture feeds off of American Black culture more than vice-versa, but it definitely goes both ways and has for a long time. For example, Black music influenced Kraftwerk, then Kraftwerk influenced Hip Hop, Electro and Techno. Those genres influenced all kinds of white music, and now there’s a lot of hip hop that draws from the sonic palette of whiter forms of electronic music.
      But yeah, white kids fetishize black culture in a way that black kids don’t fetishize white culture.

      1. You know, it’s interesting.
        I too used to think that it was mostly white kids copying black kids, and I recall seeing many wiggers growing up.
        But nowadays, I’ve seen more preppy black kids than I’ve seen wiggers.
        I do think that there’s been mutual assimilation between blacks and whites.

        1. Yeah, you might have a point about there being more preppy black kids these days. A lot has changed in the last few years.

  2. And I would agree that Latin-Americans are pretty much Westerners. Just poor Westerners. Probably not unlike the very poor people that came here en masse from Sicily earlier last century.
    My main problem is that they are coming overwhelmingly from one country and creating a quasi-colony in the southwest, and we stupid Americans are welcoming it because supposedly they do jobs that we are too lazy to do…even though we did these jobs when they paid living wages.

    1. Ugh.
      If I hear this whole “they do the jobs that we cannot do, and we therefore need them for labor” argument again, I’m going to puke.
      I visited my relatives in the Midwest, which is predominantly white and black (ie. no Hispanics).
      And guess what?
      People ate at restaurants! Floors were clean!
      You get my drift.
      This idea that we absolutely “need” Hispanic immigration is fallacious.

      1. My grandfather picked fruit and the same people who push for illegal immigration would stereotype him as white trash if he were still alive.

    2. And I would agree that Latin-Americans are pretty much Westerners. Just poor Westerners. Probably not unlike the very poor people that came here en masse from Sicily earlier last century.
      My main problem is that they are coming overwhelmingly from one country and creating a quasi-colony in the southwest, and we stupid Americans are welcoming it because supposedly they do jobs that we are too lazy to do…even though we did these jobs when they paid living wages.

      Very true, Tulio. That is exactly how I see it.

  3. Bob, the denial mode your Yemeni friend was expounding isn’t much different than that of black Americans (ie AIDS was created by the CIA to genocide blacks, the FBI pushes crack in the ghettoes for the same reason).

    1. Other than a few fringe Afrocentrists, I don’t know any black people claiming AIDS was created by the CIA.
      As for crack in the ghettos, there’s a nugget of truth there. The contras in Nicaragua were funneling crack to the ghettos of America in order to raise funds for arms. Since they were the anti-communists fighting the Sandinistas, the Reagan administration knew it was happening and turned a blind eye and let it happen. This is documented fact admitted by the CIA not some black conspiracy theory.

  4. Hispanization wouldn’t be much of a problem if the immigrants weren’t self-selected among people too unskilled to get a job in Mexico. The Muslim-origin immigrants _I_ know all left their homelands because they were educated people who didn’t want to live under backwardization.
    It’s an eventually fatal mix to import unskilled people and empower them to breed.

  5. To Rob:
    Lebanese Christians have generally done very well wherever they went…the Muslims we get here are generally educated, in my experience some follow the unfortunate ideologies that you described with the Yemeni fellows and some do not. Europe tends to get the less educated Muslims which are sort of more violent version of our whacked evangelical Christians.

  6. Hispanics are a mixed bag. Hispanics tend to be social conservatives and are some of the most bigoted people. It’s a wonder they get so much support from liberal jews, blacks, gays, feminists as they would probably get rid of civil rights laws once they become the majority. Hispanics are also way more receptive to radical Islam and Latin America is very pro Islam. On the other hand, I have met some Arab Christians and some very modern albeit religiously conservative Pakistani muslims and they have no desire to implement their agenda on the west.

    1. Latin America is “pro-Islam?” Not so sure about. I wouldn’t confuse socialist support for the Palestinian cause with a love of all things Islamic. After all, they aren’t swimming in a sea of millions of Muslims, therefore Muslim influence is not an issue.
      Ironically, there are something like seventeen million people in Latin America that have some degree of Arabic ancestry. Mostly Lebanese and Syrian. Economic refugees from the collapse of the old Ottoman Empire.Virtually all were from Christian backgrounds. Namely Catholic. They fit right in to the Mediterranean, Western, Catholic culture of both Spanish and Portuguese Latin America. To my understanding, they are mostly “upper echelon,” as in wealth and power.
      As for Pakistani immigrants, I am not sure what they have to do with the comparison of Arabs and Hispanics.
      You do realize that Pakistanis are not Arab, right? I mean, that is a pretty important little fact.

        1. Well then, my hat is off to you. I have had some pretty bad experiences with Pakistani-Americans.
          Mind you, they are still an educated, financially successful lot here in the U.S. Quite the opposite than Pakistanis in the U.K.

  7. Hispanics do American type things. You go to a Clippers basketball game and they get into it, cheer, laugh, let loose. They absorb and understand other cultures pretty well. Muslims are block heads in comparison. You see a Muslim at a baseball game and he doesn’t just react to the game like a Mexican will. Too much Muslim sh+t in his brain, preventing an immediate, natural response. When there’s a home run, do they thank Allah first and then cheer? It’s f+cked up. UnAmerican. Call the FBI.
    You see Mexican girl gangs and they have that initiation ceremony where they beat each other up and then hug each other and welcome the new girl into the gang. That’s taking charge. That’s making a statement about who they are and taking a stake. And they give each those cute names too like “Crying Girl”, “Cat’s Claw”, whatever. But some of them you could put on a cover of a woman’s magazine, they’re that good looking. I had to do a double take when I learned this. I was used to Christy Turlington, Courtney Cox, Elizabeth Hurley level beauties being absolute freeze queens. Liquid nitrogen cold. But you actually see some really hot latinas with real humbleness inside. That women from Desperate Housewives. Eva Longaria. She’s a great example. There should be more white women who have her attitude. That’s the other thing, Muslim beauties never get to see the light of day. The men swoop them up when they are 12 years of age and throw away the keys. Shelfish assholes.
    So Hispanics over Muslims. Easy call.

    1. Yeah, on a personal level, Hispanics are much more willing to assimilate, are much friendlier, and are more compatible than Muslims.
      Fortunately, for our European friends, they’re finally starting to wake up to the fact that Muslim immigration isn’t exactly a blessing, and are actually doing something about it.

        1. Maybe truer than you know:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagarism
          The book Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World is no longer in print because the author was afraid of being killed, but it’s still available on Scribd.com. I don’t completely buy the thesis, but it’s refreshing to see a scholar who doesn’t take the story Muslims tell about themselves at face value, in the same way that scholars have been not taking Judaism and Christianity at face value for over 200 years now.

        2. @Matt
          Cool I didn’t know there were any authors that wrote books detailing the history of the Jewish/Muslim alliance.
          For ideological reasons despite the well documented evidence in regards to international Jewish support for radical Islamic international terrorism especially in the Balkans and North Caucasus Jewish support for Bosnian, Kosovo and Chechen terrorism while supporting Israel despite the fact that HAMAS and other groups support terrorism in these areas.
          Since the 70’s Jews have always supported radical Islam over Muslims except when it directly benefits Israel like in Lebanon.
          Afghanistan twice, Syria, Iraq, Central Asian states, Kashmir, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and the North Caucasus republics, Burma and Xinjing (China) of countries/regions I know about.

        3. @Cyrus
          I always say something right.
          Seeing how you disagree with my comments I would presume you are always wrong.
          “Unless you think Judaism is somehow not retarded.”
          How is Judaism retarded when the accomplishments of Jews are vastly over represented in science, arts, authors, virtually created Hollywood, mass media, finance, industry, etc.
          In chess virtually all if not all the top chess players in history have been Jewish.
          Show me what Islam has accomplished recently except poverty, war, terrorism and harems?

        4. JohnUK hasn’t been around too many Jewish folks, I see.
          Judaism is an ethnicity. One can be Jewish and and atheist. There is no contradiction in that. The Jews as an ethnic group contributed a great deal to human civilization.
          The religion, on the other hand, is just Islam’s older, more timid, brother. It sucks, just like Islam does.
          If the Rabbis were allowed a free hand in Israel like the Mullahs in Iran, there would be little doubt as to to the end result. Covered women and all.
          Oh, and John, I am now committed to the fact that you are a limey asshole, in addition to being a completely uneducated idiot.

        5. @Cyrus
          ”JohnUK hasn’t been around too many Jewish folks, I see.”
          No but I don’t see what that has to do with my opinion of religious aspects of Judaism compared to Islam.
          ”Judaism is an ethnicity. One can be Jewish and and atheist. There is no contradiction in that. The Jews as an ethnic group contributed a great deal to human civilization.
          The religion, on the other hand, is just Islam’s older, more timid, brother. It sucks, just like Islam does.

          Without the codified teachings of the Jewish religion especially that of the Babylonian Talmud there would be no Jews either assimilated into oblivion or dissapeared from the pages of history.
          If the Rabbis were allowed a free hand in Israel like the Mullahs in Iran, there would be little doubt as to to the end result. Covered women and all.”
          Nonsense Israel is a Jewish state that Judaism has predominance even Jewish religious laws where women are not suppressed and have equality of women’s rights like any western country.
          And Jews are not trying to enforce their own religious laws across the world where there is a significant Jewish minority over non Jewish population.
          “Oh, and John, I am now committed to the fact that you are a limey asshole, in addition to being a completely uneducated idiot.”
          Just proves you’re idiotic comments and opinions are not worth shit.
          Here’s a song dedicated to you asshole.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6-vsHgHJg

      1. Muslims or Arabs? Which are we talking about here? Do you even know the difference?
        There is a shit-load of people in the U.S who are of Arab descent, and they have been coming here since the 19th century. All are fully assimilated, and none are taking about reconquista of the America Southwest, last I checked.

    2. Hispanics do American type things. You go to a Clippers basketball game and they get into it, cheer, laugh, let loose. They absorb and understand other cultures pretty well. Muslims are block heads in comparison. You see a Muslim at a baseball game and he doesn’t just react to the game like a Mexican will. Too much Muslim sh+t in his brain, preventing an immediate, natural response. When there’s a home run, do they thank Allah first and then cheer? It’s f+cked up. UnAmerican. Call the FBI. </i?
      LOL. 😀
      The average "Muslim" in the U.S is college educated. He or she is not wasting their time at a Clipper game, of all things(who the fuck in L.A goes to a Clipper game, anyways?). Probably studying for entrance to a U.C medical school or law school instead. More important to them.
      The average "Hispanic" in the U.S can't even finish grade school, or speak a single language at a High School level correctly. Spanish or English. Just check the statistics.
      http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16
      Incredibly stupid, knuckle dragging people me thinks.
      When the loser illiterate "Hispanic" leaves the Clipper game and gets shot by a rival loser gang-member on his way home, there is a damn good chance the doctor working to save his worthless low-life ass at USC medical center's ER will have the surname Mohammad, Ali, Hussein, Akbar, etc…Right after the word "Doctor" in front of it.
      Of course, Hispanics get affirmative action, let us not forget. Yet, and despite that, they still can't finish High School in large numbers, or get into college."Muslims" sure as hell do not get such special treatment. They are not given "retard credits" like their Latino kin. Middle Easterners in the U.S are counted as White, so if those "Muslims" are Arab, they are are effectively White.
      Probably explains why White suburbia is so full of Middle Eastern folks, regardless of religious creed.
      Hell, there is even a Mosque right smack in the center of Mission Viejo, CA. The most conservative city in all of Orange County. Go figure.

      1. LOL!
        Clippers Game? 🙂
        Hey, Hacienda, you happen to be a Clippers fan who has to endure taunts from Lakers fans?
        @ Cyrus
        Your point is very well taken.
        On an INDIVIDUAL level, I like Hispanics more/find them easier to get along with than Muslims. They’re more willing to assimilate, they’re less rigid, etc.
        But on a GROUP level, Muslims/Middle Easterners are far more successful and productive in our society.

        1. I only go to Clippers games because I can’t afford $400 tickets for Lakers games. Only for ambience purposes. I like the funky atmosphere of Clippers games. No one really cares. And, no I’m not a Clippers fan. Not really an NBA fan either. It’s just a cartoon spectacle. The most overrated athletes in the world are basketball players. Anyone over 6’10” gets a million dollar contract. Cheesy. Go Yao Ming, though. And that John Lin from Harvard. Funky sh*t. Imitating Bill Walton, “Get Dooownn, John Lin, Get Dooo-oowwn.” LOL. Fcking weirdass league. LOL.
          I have no clue why white people still like the NBA. Really I don’t. It’s not even that great to watch. I have a hunch the Chinese only like basketball because they like seeing blacks (p)owning whitey. And they’re short, so they take a two-off (one race + one height) pleasure in it. Warms their meager souls.
          I used to play basketball myself, I could hang with white players, but damn the n*ggers were too fast. Knocked me out of the game at an early age. Picked up pussy tennis. Contrary to standard opinion, though, really good tennis players in terms of total package are more athletic than basketball players.

        2. Yeah, I don’t follow the NBA anymore.
          Just a bunch of overgrown, tattooed black athletes shooting boring jump shots (and occasionally getting the dunk).
          With regards to the Chinese, I guess they just find it cool, as in “damn, we don’t have black athletes like this in our country!”
          Frankly, YT doesn’t get pawned by blacks in the NBA, because there are NO good whiteys to pawn.
          At least no white Americans. All the good white players are European, or Canadian, in Steve Nash’s case.

        3. “At least no white Americans. All the good white players are European, or Canadian, in Steve Nash’s case.”
          That’s right. Larry Bird was the last really great white American basketball player. A lot of white American kids when they first play black kids competitively are just SHOCKED how fast the fastest black kids can be on a basketball court, at least in junior high school and high school. This causes a lot of them to switch sports or just not take the game as intensely as they first did.

        4. Bay Area, this loser Hacienda is a “Flip?”
          No shit.
          The Philippines has been called the asshole of Asia on more than one occasion.

    3. You know Hacienda, as I just re-read through the sheer fucking stupidity of your post, I have come to the conclusion that the Tea-party types are correct.
      We need to build a DMZ across the U.S/Mexican border, just like they did in Morocco and Israel.
      I’d love do just sit back, sip on a martini, and watch some “smart” Hispanics discover the intricate nature of how an anti-personnel minefield works. 😀

      1. @Cyrus: I think Hacienda is actually filipino if that matters.
        As to Judaism being retarded, orthodox definitely. But I think most U.S. Jews are secular or belong to more moderate denominations. I don’t know anything about how they practice their religion, but they don’t seem retarded at all.

        1. …and it’s sort of hard to choose which is more retarded, Orthodox Judaism or Islam. Both are insanely stupid and reality challenged. Shortly after 9/11, some Jewish neocon wrote an article about the stupid, mindless practices of Islam. I thought that was pretty nervy for a Jew to do, unless he’s also willing to ridicule the Hasids, etc.

      2. Cyrus,
        No need to get a burr. I know that L.A. muslims are all you say. But I’d rather have 30 million Hispanics in the US, than 30 million muslims or ARABS (hide the children) in the US. Is this a hard decision? Which would you choose?

        1. I know you’re asking Cyrus, Hacienda, but I’ll give my answer.
          Frankly, it’s hard to say. On the one hand, I like Hispanics more on an individual level. They’re friendlier, more assimilable, don’t hate the west (in spite of popular perceptions, I really haven’t encountered too many Hispanics who speak of “reconquista.” Of course, they support open borders and certainly wouldn’t voice their support for reconquista in my presence. But I just don’t sense much hostility from them).
          But at the same time, they have very high drop-out rates, are often poor and uneducated, and will increasingly become a drain on this country.
          Muslims, on the other hand, are much better educated, and generally more successful/productive than Hispanics are.
          At the same time, many of them are culturally alien to the U.S. and west in general, and are hostile towards it.
          So essentially, you’re asking me to chose between more likable yet more burdensome people vs productive yet more hostile and alien people.

        2. I want neither.
          Both groups suck in such large numbers, and will drag the U.S down.
          Get a clue. The Arab world and the Hispanic world are about on the same level. Above sub-Saharan Africa, but below just about everyone else.
          Unfortunately, there are already more than 30 million Hispanics in the U.S, I would reckon.
          There will never be 30 million Muslims or ARABS, as you liked to say, so your dumbfuck point is mute.

        3. Well in my opinion indonesian muslim are cool and friendly.the kind of islam that they practice aren’t as rigid as their counterpart in MENA and south asian countries.btw muslim in indonesia can convert to other religion if he or she wishes.lately however tide of conservatism began to sweep indonesia evident by the number of females wearing headscarves and attack on religious minority either by hate speech or place of worship.by the way robert it would be great if you can write an article about any south east asian nation other than the philippines.people here are very friendly .

  8. tulio, the Americans and the CIA poison anybody they dont like. Smallpox for Indians, crack for blacks, and heroine for Russians.

    1. AJ-
      You forgot to mention that the CIA invented AIDs in a secret government lab to kill blacks. Don’t let your conspiracy theories run away with you.

      1. @fred
        Shows how gullible and stupid Americans are to believe the 9/11 hoax that 19 hijackers armed only with boxcutters were able to hijack 4 planes for hours without any intervention and crash them into WTC and the Pentagon which has it’s own radar and missile system. LOL!
        Given the amount of factual evidence of government both foreign and domestic involvement and the complete lack of evidence to support the official government narrative anyone with half a brain at least knows the US government knew that the attack was going to happen.

  9. Last nite I spent some time at the local market discussing honor killings with the local Yemeni (born in the US by the way). He defended them, and said that if a married woman cheated on her husband, she had to be put to death! He then said that Islam mandated this. It’s not true, and I argued with him about this, but he didn’t buy it. He also said that if an unmarried woman had sex, 10% of the time, her father would kill her, and this was proper.
    Well Robert, that pretty much sums up the current situation of the Arabic speaking world, and all of it’s current failings. At least for the most part.
    Extreme, linear, black & white thinking. Not exactly something that wins wars.
    Ironically, the Arab World and Latin America world have always kind of reminded me of each other in many ways. Many similarities.

    1. No Arabs and Hispanics are very different. Blacks and arabs are the most similar. The top twenty failed states are either black or arab or heavily influenced by arabs like Afghanistan etc. NO one else is there.
      Hispanics as a group do no harm whatsoever to America. They work hard and on their days off emulate aspects of white culture. So globally and in the states you see the stability, hard work and white cultural preferences of hispanics. To suggest they are like Arabs would not be taken kindly by your average hard working Hispanic.

  10. Is it just a coincidence that Islamic terrorist hotspots in East Africa are Somalia and Kenya, and the current hotspot in the Middle East is Yemen?
    The three biggest consumers of Khat in the world. It sure gives you energy.

    1. That is a good point, Mike.
      For anyone who doesn’t know, “Khat” is basically a naturally occurring amphetamine, that grows in the Southern Arabian peninsula. Very popular with Gulf Arabs and East Africans.
      That, and the simple fact that Yemen is culturally and historically very close to the Horn of Africa. More so than it is to the Middle East, by a long shot.

      1. Khat does the opposite. You never want to get up! It makes you relaxed;you spend the whole afternoon and evening chatting. It is a sociable drug and guys in Yemen build their social lives around it. Actually the government tries to stamp it out, but lots of government fat cats take it as well!

  11. “You don’t see a lot of Black bikers, hippies, punks, heavy metalers, skaters”
    I’ve seen several black skateboarders before. I’ve also noticed more black fans and fighters in MMA which was stereotyped as something whites (especially skinheads) liked in the beginning. then of course there’s Hootie…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etr7UtnUflM

    1. Robert,
      I am friends with a cuban who is as white as me. Tall too. Do you think a decent percent of them are white hispanics?

  12. We don’t need Arabs, Indonesians etc.. in America period, it’s just too risky. That religion can’t co-exist with secular humanism or Christianity.

  13. Not every latin american looks like a indian, like must of you guys from the USA might think,maybe because of lack of information or ignorance of yours. There are german roots and other european roots in here as well.
    In brazil for example, I have german roots and portuguese roots as well, much more people do as well, italian too.

    1. It’s a misconception.
      Rather than evening acknowledging that there are some Whites as ruling elites, most Alt-Righters these days think you could count the Quasi-pure on one hand.
      It’s greatly exaggerated.

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