Why Non-Whites Are the Only Hope for the Left

Dirty Bull says:

The USA is a very unequal society in terms of income distribution – in fact it verges on Latin American levels of inequality.Just look whats happened to California – has mass immigration made it a better and more equitable place over the years, or Brazil-lite with gated communities, violent gangs and murders and horrible inequality, or was California thrown off the path it was pursuing in the ’50s, namely, a Sweden with warm weather, intelligent, educated people, low crime, good schools, good civic values etc?
The undeniable pattern is that mass 3rd world immigration produces horrible inequality.

3rd World immigration is here to stay. The future at best is some sort of Venezuela or Bolivia type state in the US, with the non-Whites and some Whites rallying around some sort of Chavezismo, Moralesismo or Bolivarianism and the Whites digging in their heels, becoming more radical, more militant and probably more violent. We may even see White factions trying to pull off military coups in the US in the future. They are already openly stealing US Presidential elections, which is pretty outrageous right there. The future is increasing polarization, but there is no alternative.
Keep in mind that US Whites were never socialists. They rallied around Barry Goldwater in 1964. The John Birch Society, the society of White America, peaked in the 1960’s.
The closest US Whites came to socialism was in the 1970’s.
I think there was a concerted effort in the 1970’s to wage war on the Left.
This is what I think happened: Rich Americans and heads of big corporations met in the 1970’s and said we have to do something right now otherwise we will end up with a European social democracy.
One of the problems was that we had a huge middle class. Huge middle classes are hated by elites because large middle classes usually start demanding some kind of socialism or social democracy.
So a plot was hatched to destroy the US middle class and hence ward off the threat of social democracy. One of the ways this way done was to dramatically ramp up immigration. Immigrants were imported from all over the world. Most of them were elite types – rich Latin Americans, people fleeing Left regimes, high-caste South Asians, etc. These people are all elite types or think like them, and they all have a burning hatred for equality, socialism and social democracy.
Along with that, Reagan deliberately allowed mass importation of illegals from Mexico. The purpose of this was to destroy the part of the middle class that was working class based, because by this time, many working class White had worked their way to the middle class with union jobs.
At the same time, the all-out ideological war on unions was ramped up. You will not find one single major newspaper, newsmagazine, radio channel or TV station that supports the organizations of the working class – unions. All of the US media is deadset against unions.
Also, many intellectual stink tanks were set up, like the Hoover Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Foundation, etc. These have since grown to a massive size. At the same time, the Left has no media presence and their think tanks are poorly funded.
Another part of the plan was to keep on redefining the Left. What was once Center was now Left, then what was once Right was now Left. So the goalposts for what was Left or liberal were continuously moved as the Center moved further and further to the Right. All of this was carefully plotted out by US plutocrats.
At this point, sure, income inequality is at its worst level since the 1920’s.
Apparently most White Americans think this is fantastic, since they support the party doing this. Huge numbers of White Americans hate unions. This includes many working class Americans. Tens of millions of White Americans hate the Left and liberals as their supposed enemies.
It’s worked very well.
There are various strategies for the Left here. One is to try to sell US Whites on some kind of socialism or social democracy. This has been a hopeless endeavor for 30 years, and it gets more hopeless with each passing year as US Whites move further to the Right. Take note of the Tea Parties. US Whites are now like Goldwaterites or John Birchers. They’re more rightwing than at any time in in the last 45 years.
But at this point, White people are totally hopeless. This project has failed and needs to be hung up to dry.
There’s no chance that immigration will slow down. As non-Whites increase and Whites decline, the populace will logically move further and further to the Left. Hispanics are a very left and liberal leaning group. Present polls have them about 70% Democrat and 22% Republican, unchanged since 2008. That’s the future.

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68 thoughts on “Why Non-Whites Are the Only Hope for the Left”

  1. I don’t know… It was the democrats and left that passed the 1965 immigration act. That’s just the facts. The right were racist elitists, but it seems they’d rather have lived in a white country than plot to destroy the middle class—back then. But by the time Regan came around the right picked up illegal immigration, too, and were using it for their machinations. Then years going back and forth, both left and right supporting or ignoring it.

  2. robert, how will this “new america” treat the rest of the world? Will America still bully other nations and make color revolutions and demonize Russia?

    1. I dunno. I kind of doubt it but it’s so hard to say. It will probably look something like Obama on foreign policy. He hasn’t been a total disaster, for instance, they were neutral on the recent election in El Salvador that elected the FMLN, and Obama seems to be leaving Russia pretty much alone. The US Right are really extreme hardcore capitalist imperialist world-controllers. It makes sense for a large capitalist country to act that way, but it’s still pretty shitty.
      One of the problems with even a lot of liberal people is that they don’t understand the connection between capitalism and imperialism. Large capitalist countries are almost forced to be imperialists by the rules of the game. The more liberal US Presidents like Clinton eased up on that somewhat, but I will give the Bushies and neocons credit – they understand how capitalism really works.
      It really annoys me how many liberals and even socialists are in denial about the necessary link between capitalism and imperialism. They just don’t get it.

  3. But Bob – socialist progress goes hand-in-glove with a more educated population, that’s why Scandinavia had the most advanced and best socialist states in the world.Unique amongst Europeans, Scandinavia always had near 100% literacy and an intelligent well organised working-class, with sympathetic intellectuals supplying leadership.
    Britain almost got there with the Labour Party, but Briatin being Britain with a big ass-hole element to the working-class fucked-up big time and allowed Thatcher to set the agenda ever since.
    Marx always predicted that the first countries to go socialist would be the more advanced capitalist ones ie those in which the working-class was most educated and organised.
    Mass 3rd world immigration destroys what ever little solidarity a working-class has – it’s a race to the bottom, dog-eat-dog eat stuff at which the fat plutocrat rubs his hands togetther in glee.
    Another point, Hispanics are poor because they are low-skilled ie have very little to offer to an advanced capitalist economy.Bringing in a socialist state won’t stop that, it won’t make the unproductive richer – that’s basic, basic economics.
    Look at California in the late 50s, it was proud of it’s excellent university system (which was far more socialist in terms of universality of access than anything Britain had at that time), ditto the schools, the public parks, the highways etc.Perhaps California wasn’t heading an explicitly ‘socialist’ direction, but the general sense of excellent public goods, combined with an intelligent, law-abiding, diligent population offered the hope that the advantage in socialist organisation would be apparent and acknowledged.
    What do we have now? – An atomised, semi-feudal, violent race-hate filled cock-pit in which the balck and brown poor gun each other down for a few bucks, whilst the rich in Beverley Hills happily spend $100 a week on vet’s bills for their dogs.

    1. Yeah but we have a pretty good social democracy in this state. We may even get single payer at some point in the future. The state is still extremely wealthy.
      US Whites are hopeless. Always were, are and always will be. The US is 65% White. Every year that % goes down by another 1%. In 2012, 64%, in 2014, 63%. There’s no stopping this juggernaut, and legal immigrants don’t lower wages that much anyway. Immigration isn’t going to slow down, so we have to make the best with what we’ve got. As Whites decline, America will become more socialist. That’s the silver lining.
      There’s no going back to the California Dream of a White California or even a White USA. Those days are gone, so what’s the point of talking about it. Sure, multiculturalism has created problems, but there will also be benefits. I focus on the positive here.

  4. So, what you are saying is that the plutocrats are ‘hoist on their own petard’.
    ie in seeking to hammer wages by importing the 3rd world, they have, in fact, signed their own death warrants by ensuring a voting majority pro re-distributive politics.
    Sounds too easy.I’m sure the plutocrats will find a way to cover their asses – gated communities and overseas assets are the way to go.Look at Latin America.Despite many ‘left wing’ regimes down there, the plutocrats still quitely run things and pull the strings.Just look at El Salvador and that disgusting turncoat Ortega.

    1. That won’t happen here, at least I don’t think so. We’re too civilized for that. Down there they run death squads, have regular military coups…I do not think the US Right will go that route.
      Anyway, socialism is already happening here. The health care bill, the finance bill, the stimulus, the US government takeover of banks, insurance companies, car manufacturers, some of the biggest corporations in the land, Medicare prescription drug coverage – it’s starting.

      1. robert I do not think the US Right will go that route.
        I don’t know robert, for a while there the tea party sure was heading in that direction… what with the guys bringing guns to hear Obama speak. I say don’t be so sure.

    2. It’s the best that Latin America has ever been. Latin America has never been so Left.
      The Left is in charge in Nicaragua, El Salvador, (formerly) Honduras, Dominica, several Caribbean islands, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Ecuador. The Right is totally freaked out by this and calls them all Leftists and Communists. It’s a bright new day in Latin America.

      1. But what have the results been? Has there been any meaningful progress that’s happened because of the rise of the left in Latin America that can be solely attributed to leftist economics and politics? I’m not here to attack the Latin left per se. I don’t mind them much so long as they aren’t on this hate America tip and blaming the United States for all their home grown problems e.g. Chavez. I’ve never heard any anti-American hate speech from Brazil, Argentina or Chile under Bachelat.
        The bottom line though is what have these left wing leaders actually done? Everything is still horribly corrupt, there’s still massive inequality, still no universal health coverage, millions still live in favelas, there’s still lots of crime in a place like Venezuela. So what is so great about these left-wing leaders?
        I hate to have to agree with the WNs on anything, but I am not in favor of huge numbers of poor immigrants coming here. Great, so we will live in a country like Cuba where there’s socialism yet everyone is still poor. Whoopie do. And that’s the best latin socialism has to offer. You can’t have a first world country while importing mass numbers of uneducated peasants who could never afford the $7,000 it cost the public hospital to deliver their baby, nor the $10,000 a year it will cost to educate it. Not to pick on Latinos, but have you seen the recent stats on drop out levels? They are dropping out of high school at the highest rate of any group, yet their population is exploding and make up the largest number of immigrants(legal and illegal). So do the math on that and you can see where the country will be in 30 years from now. The nation will be like California(and more specifically Los Angeles) is now. High taxes, financial insolvency, massive government incompetence and a large numbers of people with social needs and an intellectually uncompetitive labor force. Not a pretty picture.

        1. As James Edwards would say, “you can’t have a 1st world country with a 3rd world population.”
          I disagree with his implication that non-whites are genetically inferior and that IQ’s determine everything (I’m still, for the most part, skeptical of HBD), but what he said in and of itself is still correct.

        2. Hispanics have not made California insolvent. Maybe the illegals because they cost so much and don’t pay any taxes.
          If California were a nation, it would be the 8th richest country on Earth. All this crap about California being a 3rd World country and being insolvent and all is a bunch of crap. Nor are our taxes high here. They are actually quite low.
          You’ve been reading too much, “Beaners ruined California” White nationalist crap. Nothing but lies.

        3. As James Edwards would say, “you can’t have a 1st world country with a 3rd world population.”
          IOW, muds can’t create civilization.
          First of all, what’s a 3rd World population? What are the Gulf Arab states? Doing pretty well, no? What are the Asian countries? What is Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria?

        4. Robert, by 3rd world population, I mean a bunch of poor, uneducated masses flooding the U.S, and having poor, uneducated kids.
          Common sense dictates that this simply isn’t a formula for success.
          And if you read my comment in its entirety, you’ll note that I never made an essentialist argument.
          I know full well that non-whites can, and have created many great civilizations.
          Unfortunately, most of this country’s immigrants aren’t coming from successful Asian countries.
          They’re mainly poor and uneducated people coming from south of the border, and again, this is hardly a formula for success.

        5. Who needs Cuban socialism? I’ll take Mexican socialism, at least as far as education and health care. Mexico has universal health care, national health care, as do most nations down there. Health care is 100% free for all citizens at government health clinics. Also, I believe that education is free for all citizens at government universities.
          I like it! I’ll take it!

        6. For that matter we have public hospitals here too where anyone can walk into, even illegally. Difference is, Americans can’t walk into a public hospital illegally and use their services but they can use ours. That’s fucked up!

  5. BAG, sometimes I wonder if we’ll see apartheid come into play in this country as the country becomes overrun by the other and the majority feels threatened.
    BAG, do you like me?

    1. sometimes I wonder if we’ll see apartheid come into play in this country as the country becomes overrun by the other and the majority feels threatened.
      Who knows? But sooner or later, there will be a racial explosion of some sorts.
      All I know is that if the Han Chinese were in danger of losing their majority status as a result of mass immigration, identity politics, multiculturalism, etc, they wouldn’t stand for it.
      And neither should whites. Hopefully there will be a white nationalist/pseudo white nationalist revival. Unless white people wake up and smell what’s burning, they’ll soon be overrun by a hostile majority.
      BAG, do you like me?
      Lol! Seriously, you’re asking me this?
      Well, okay, I’ll answer.
      On an INDIVIDUAL level, I do like you. I think you’re a generally pleasant and open-minded individual, not to mention attractive.
      That being said, I do temper my individual feelings of affection towards you with the knowledge that you belong to a demographic that I’m generally not too fond of.
      I also recognize that on account of major ideological differences, you and I wouldn’t exactly get along too well in the real world, me being a white nationalist and all.
      Well, actually, we could get along just fine, on an individual level, so long as we avoided racial issues.
      Well, that’s my long answer. In a nutshell, I do like you as an individual, but I also acknowledge that there are certain, shall we say, divisions between us.

  6. BAG Well, that’s my long answer. In a nutshell, I do like you as an individual, but I also acknowledge that there are certain, shall we say, divisions between us.
    good enough !
    BAG All I know is that if the Han Chinese were in danger of losing their majority status as a result of mass immigration, identity politics, multiculturalism, etc, they wouldn’t stand for it.
    don’t be so sure about that. They haven’t been on the long journey that the west has. anyway, the same could be said about Eastern Europeans not being open to having many outsiders come in.
    What you’ve got to remember that what we’re experiencing now is another form of slavery in the west or cheaper labor. It’s really noting more than that at the most basic level.

    1. Well, ending outsourcing, open borders, H1b visas, and other forms of cheap labor would be great in the long term.
      Sure, prices would rise temporarily, but the long term demographic problems and economic problems that come with New World Order neoliberalism would come to an end.

  7. im white and as you guys know, i, like Lindsay, want whites to decline to minority status in the US. But not in Europe, and heaven forbid in Russia. BAG, the chances of white nationalists coming to power in the US is slim to none. Have you seen James Edwards on CNN? Roland Martin told him to go back to Europe if he doesnt like it, called him a racist, while the CNN white woman questioned Edwards on why he couldnt just embrace diversity. Its on youtube, btw. Good-bye White America. We are seeing the dawning of a multipolar world, where China, Russia, Brazil, and Venezuela will rise up to fill the power vaccuum. If America wasnt so anti-Russian I would care. But nooo, the US has to be World Police. The American Empire will ethnically dissolve in a way that makes the Soviet collapse look like a happy meal. Better learn Spanish, BAG! As far as Whites in South Africa, Latin America, Australia and NZ, and Canada, well, I have no animus towards them. Its America thats the meddling devil. United you stand, divided you fall! Ha!

    1. @AJ
      Europeans are as anti-Russian as the US and Britain being worse so why would you not what Europeans to be a minority as well?
      Brazil is controlled by British banking interests and used in the BRIC trap that Medvedev has fully endorced which itself was a creation of Goldman Sachs in the 70’s

    2. im white and as you guys know, i, like Lindsay, want whites to decline to minority status in the US. But not in Europe, and heaven forbid in Russia.
      I don’t really care one way or the other, but as Euro Whites are very progressive people, I see no reason to advocate their decline. Europe is pretty White and it looks pretty good that way to me. But I don’t mind non-Whites in Europe. This is a question that is up to the Europeans to decide.
      As far as Whites in South Africa, Latin America, Australia and NZ, and Canada, well, I have no animus towards them. Its America thats the meddling devil.
      I feel the same way. I like Whites everywhere, but I don’t like US Whites. It’s not a matter of race but one of their attitude.
      I don’t like Latin American Whites too much, but their further decline won’t solve one damned thing. They’re already quite the minority anyway. And the best countries down there are the Whitest. As Whites decline in Latin America, things seem to go downhill. Mostly you have severe elite rule, death squads, military coups and whatnot. True you had that in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile, but those places at least have decent social democracies and large middle classes. Though I think Latin American Whites even fucked up their White countries. There is something wrong with Latin American Whites. They fuck up everything and turn it into oligarchic authoritarian rule with massively unequal societies. Even Argentina and Chile suffer from this.
      I think the whole problem is that they were colonized by *Spain*.
      As America becomes less and less White, I think it will become less imperialist and meddling too. It’s inevitable.

  8. johnUK-please provide a source for your Alex Jonesesque conspiracy theories. Russians *are* Europeans. Europe is not anti-Russian. Maybe the UK, but theyre America’s bitch. Mainland Europe is anti-american moreso than anti-Russia. Plus, white people are indigenous to Europe, not America, so it would be immoral. I read what goes on in Russia online, and hear from family. Russia is working towards building closer ties with Western Europe and the EU. We are the same blood and part of the same continent. @BAG- your not going down without a fight? Dude, get real. You already *are* a minority in Cali. How are you going to fight it? Minority births already outnumber white births in the US. Im not just messing with you, I genuinely want to know how your going to fight it. What political, social, or violent actions are you going to take? Start beating up random Mexicans? Advocate anarchy like BANA? Advacocate a “Northwest Republic” like Volksfront? Go for a new South like Hunter Wallace? Secession? What, exactly, are you going to do to maintain demographic control of America, sir? Its not even acceptable to protest against it. How can you stop something when America will call you racist? Seriously, im in a bad mood right now and need a good laugh. How are you going to save White America?

    1. “How can you stop something when America will call you racist”
      This may be true now, but not necessarily in the future. I believe it will depend on exactly how the US goverment acts towards non-rich whites.
      If we have an event like Russia did with Bloody Sunday in 1905 pro-white elements may be able to capitalize and support for the movement may spread.
      I doubt this would happen though. The US goverment is far more clever than that. The will do what they can to keep americans fat and distracted until they feel they are invulnerable to any response from them.

    2. AJ, I know that any answer I give will result in you poking fun at me, but nevertheless I will indulge your curiosity.
      For me, personally, as a college student and individual going about his life, there really isn’t much for me to do.
      What I try to do is educate any white people who are open-minded and willing to embrace my views. Of course, I don’t go all white nationalist on them, I just point out that mass immigration is a problem, PC is killing this country, etc. Basically, if a white person is willing to listen, I share some of my views.
      Rome wasn’t built in a day, and a white nationalist movement won’t be either. I also don’t believe in using crude violence or neo-nazi like tactics. I believe that an internal revolution within white America is required,
      And there are some good signs. A poll indicated that only 18% of whites think that the growth of the non-white population is a benefit to the U.S, which indicates that they aren’t exactly thrilled about “diversity.” The Tea Party movement, though not explicitly white, is an implicitly white nationalist movement. If only dedicated white nationalist activists could get the Tea Party to embrace an explicitly white identity.
      Regarding BANA, I think I ought to check them out.
      But to answer your question, I’m still trying to figure out what to do. The people over at Occidental Dissent are good, because they actually advocate real strategies rather than just spewing empty rhetoric.

    3. Dude, get real. You already *are* a minority in Cali. How are you going to fight it? Minority births already outnumber white births in the US. Im not just messing with you, I genuinely want to know how your going to fight it. What political, social, or violent actions are you going to take? Start beating up random Mexicans? Advocate anarchy like BANA? Advacocate a “Northwest Republic” like Volksfront? Go for a new South like Hunter Wallace? Secession? What, exactly, are you going to do to maintain demographic control of America, sir? Its not even acceptable to protest against it. How can you stop something when America will call you racist? Seriously, im in a bad mood right now and need a good laugh. How are you going to save White America?
      This is my attitude. White America is done. Turn it over and take it out of the oven. Multiculturalism is inevitable, it’s the future and even the present to some extent. Lie back and enjoy it.

    4. @AJ
      Totally misinformed.
      Britain is America’s bitch BS.
      American is the colony of Britain and Israel where all the major companies, banks, think tanks and especially the banks in the US are joint British/American companies.
      Russia’s shock therapists trained in London.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud8gz-z4_HI
      London the centre of Russian and international jihadist terrorism.
      http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/ukraine-caspian.htm
      BRIC trap
      http://www.larouchepac.com/node/13719
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pif5ZwLSHN4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-U1-1md1Zc
      You don’t even know you’re countries own history US and Russia were allied countries until the Bolshevik coup made them enemies a result of British liberalism and British Jewish bankers and their influence in the US to break relations with Russia and support the Communist coup like with the Society of Friends of Russian Freedom.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Friends_of_Russian_Freedom
      http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302/thread/1285107066/last-1285107066/Jacob+Heney+Schiff-++A+biographical+sketch+by++Cyrus+Adler
      With the FDR administration they were allies again until Churchill launched the Cold War.
      Europeans are not anti-Russian? What fucking planet are you on?
      Just go to any European blog or news site like Brussels Journal and read the comments posted.
      Look at how they reacted to the Beslan massacre.

      1. AJ, the glorious empire days of Russia are over. Get used to it.
        I’m readying myself for the end of the American Empire. You should adopt a similar attitude with regards to Russia.

  9. Well, I hope you fail. Russia and America cannot coexist as superpowers, one has to dominate the other. America is a nation that considers itself superior, and thinks its OK to waltz around the world dictating to others and installing puppets as presidents and prime ministers. They do it in Latin America and Central Asia, and they tried to do it in Ukraine. They failed in Ukraine and now Ukraine is more pro-russian than ever. As Hugo Chavez once said, “America is the worlds worst terrorist”. What happened in Kosovo? What about the recent wikileaks exposing the secret genocide in Iraq? How about the hypocrisy for boycotting Russia in 1980 for having a war in Afghanistan(and training Arabs to fight against us btw), but than 20 years later invading Afghanistan on flase premises? Should Russia boycott America now? Ron Paul is right, 9/11 is blowback. Empires fall. As did Great Britain, the Third Reich, Rome, Greece, the Ottoman empire, the Byzantine empire, and the USSR, America will fall in a few short decades. And Russia is slowly rising, defiant, and brave. Soon the Southwest US states will be de facto Mexico. America will lose its identity and strength, competence, education, and self-confidence as it gets browner and browner. A multicultural country cannot be a strong country, and a weak country cannot be an empire. Ronald Reagan was wrong. It is America that is the evil empire. Who imported millions of Africans in chains, only to abuse them for centuries? Who wiped out the Indians? WHO is currently starving Iran? Who imposes embargoes on any nation that disagrees with them? Who dropped the worlds first atomic bombs on civilians in Japan? Who locks up more prisoners than any other country combined? Who bombed Serbia? Who supported Georgia when they invaded the independant nation of South Ossetia? (note the cognitive disconnect w/ Kosovo and South Ossetia, btw. total double standard) Who is operating a worldwide empire that exploits, colonizes, and murders millions? Who, alone in the world, support religious fanatics who claim a tiny patch of land in the Middle East is theirs by God and ethnically cleanse the indigenous people? I fully support the flooding of America with Chinese, Nigerians, Mexicans, Latin Americans, Indians, and various Third World people. Get ready for the faces of the “new Americans”. James Edwards is a bright guy. Hes right, you cannot have a first world nation with a third world population. The demographics in Russia is getting better all the time, believe me. Russia will be even whiter in 40 years whereas America will be brown(er). What goes around comes around. Or as Malcolm X once said,”The chickens are coming home to roost”.

    1. @ AJ
      You know, I don’t see why you’re so hostile towards me and those like me.
      In case you don’t know, many white nationalists actually have a high opinion of Russia, including Vladimir Putin.
      They admire Russia’s nationalism, pride, etc. In fact, Alternative Right even wrote a positive article about Russia Today, and many white nationalists watch Russia Today.
      If you actually read what white nationalists or paleoconservatives (such as the late Sam Francis) have to say, you’ll recognize that they’re anti-imperialist isolationists.
      They don’t want to support Israel, bully Iran, they recognized that 9/11 was payback, they were opposed to the war in Iraq from day one, they oppose the New World Order, they oppose neoliberalism, etc.
      If anything, you should be wishing white nationalists in the U.S. the best of success. They would be far kinder and more respectful towards Russia and Eastern Europe than the current neocon/liberal establishment.

  10. Well, its politically improbable that WN succeed. I suppose a WN America would be preferable, and better for Russia, but realize that that is just so unlikely. Its much better odds that America go brown and weak. Honestly, is the Tea Party and Sarah Palin anti-imperialist? Sam Francis was OK, im not a fan though. Ive always liked Ron Paul. So the 2 best options for Russia is 1)WNs come to power in America and become anti-imperialist or 2) whites dwindle to a minority and America slowly loses its global influence as it gets more diverse and weaker. Hmmmm… which is more likely? I see the browing of America making GREAT progress, the White Nationalist movement? Well, umm, not so much sorry. @Robert- Thats a Stormfront Nazi myth. Also, Western racists called Russians Asiatic to make us seem “different” before in the Cold War. Russia is 80-85% Slavic. There are no blacks. The main minorites are Tatars which are a Muslim Turkic people in the East, and Chechens, a Muslim people, and Ossetians, a Christian Indo-European group, and over 100 Caucasian ethnicites. Definitely over 90% White if you count Caucasians as White, such as Armenians. There are very, very, very few visibly Asiatic Russians who are not some ethnic minority in the East. Its pretty insulting, btw, to call a Slavic Russian asiatic, btw, because of the Mongol invasion. Although in a polite setting most Russians are perfectly willing to talk about race in Russia. States are organized by ethnicites too, btw. Not segregation, but official ethnic districts. it works pretty well, actually. Moscow was David Duke’s favorite city and is over 10 million people. Its probably 90-99% White. Ethnic Russians are only about 87-90%, however. So how white is Russia? Depends. Are Caucasians White? Armenians and Caucasian minorites are refered to as “black” but this is a reference to their dark hair color, not their skin as you previously believed LOL. The only actual blacks are in University, and they are very few. Contrary to Stormfront Nazi anti-Slavic propaganda, if you got to Russia, your wont find a whole bunch of half-breeds, but rather White people like in the rest of Europe. All the Turkic and Caucasian minorites (less than a tenth of the popluation) reside in the Far East, or in the South. Hopefully i answered your question, feel free to ask more.

    1. AJ, I guess being a non-American, you could care less if we became a 3rd world, excessively multiracial shithole.
      In fact, you have good reason to wish for this.
      Just as I’m sure that if Russia became the next power (as you would like), its enemies would desire that Russia be flooded with alien non-Russians.
      People want to see their enemies weakened, one way or another.
      At least I’m glad that you hope our movement succeeds. While you don’t care since you’re not American, as a white American, I do care about whether or not this country becomes increasingly non-white and 3rd world.

      1. AJ, I think that many white nationalists voted for Ron Paul, by the way.
        Personally, I’m not a fan of the libertarian strand of WN. I do think that WN’s should adopt a more progressive economic approach.
        Even though I don’t like his violent skinhead ways, I like Tom Metzger because he embraced an economically progressive platform. In fact, AJ, you’ll be interested to know that he even praised the Soviet Union back in the day as a “white workers nation.”
        Just so you know, AJ, we’re not your enemies. We wish no harm to Russia, and in many ways actually admire Russia.

  11. Tom Metzger? HAHAHAHA that guy is an absolute NUT! White Aryan Resistance! his website is ridiculous. OMG. I watched Louis Theroux’s documentary on him. If thats what the WN movement has to offer, well, shit son I dont even know what to say. I think Russia would much rather take its chances with Iran than with Metzger, OMG. I actually have close relatives who are US citizens, but I want them back in Europe. I live in IL now, and plan on returning to Russia within 15 years. Ill enjoy myslef here for a bit. I do have a soft spot for Pat Buchanan, however. History shows that when US whites get into power, they become imperialist and anti-russian. Power corrupts, my friend. Why should I trust any Americans to not fuck with Russia?

    1. Keep in mind, AJ, that I don’t approve of Metzger’s violence and skinhead ways, as I pointed out. Nor am I a fan of his neo-nazi imagery, WAR website, etc.
      The ONE thing that I do like about Metzger is that he’s economically progressive.
      If you could mix Metzger’s economic views with Jared Taylor’s sophistication, that would be a good combination.
      AJ, if you’re worried about power corrupting people into fucking with Russia, then I guess you and your fellow Russians should be scared of ANY potential empire.
      I guess you would also like to see non-Han immigration to China, since it will emerge as the newest power.

    2. And just so you know, most white nationalists like the late Sam Francis, Tomislav Sunic, Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, James Edwards, etc, are NOTHING like Metzger.
      I just pointed out Metzger because I agree with his economic views, and think that WN’s need to adopt a more progressive economic approach.

  12. is Pat Buchanan a white nationalist now? And Im not sure about China. I suppose that yes, I would like to see mass non-han immigration to China, to weaken them. However, the US is the main enemy now. Jared Taylor is a square who was born in Japan and worships them. Do white people really need someone who calls himself a “yellow supremacist” as our leader? gay. i dunno about any empire. Its just that history shows that the US has always been anti-russian. And c’mon, you mentioned Metzger for a reason, and it wasnt his economic policies, gimme abreak. If that was the case why not mention Jon Stewart or Hillary Clinton, or some European politician instead of a bona fide racist, Klansman, and Nazi. At least David Duke cake off as somewhat respectable sometimes, although still kinds weird. Metzger is a joke, and makes Duke look like a mainstream liberal. How about the BNP? Do you like Nick Griffin? Theyre white nationalists who support leftist economics. I bet Robert Lindsay is a fan of them;)

    1. AJ, you’re never going to address me respectfully, either here or over at JAY, so this will be my last post.
      I mentioned Metzger to illustrate that your average bourgeois white nationalist needs to embrace more progressive economic policies.
      And Jon Stewart and Hilary Clinton? Give me a fucking break. Why would I EVER support the likes of them?
      And yes, I like the BNP, the Sweden Democrats, and other nationalist parties in Europe. White nationalists could learn a thing or two from them.

  13. Bob,
    The socialists I admire the most were from that peculiarly British school of Fabian and ‘Bloomsbury’ socialism that was active in the early 2oth century.To a man and woman they were all high caliber intellectuals of the stature of Bertrand Russell and Sidney and Beatrice Webb, George Bernard Shaw, HG Wells etc.
    They saw socialism as the progressive orce in politics, going hand in hand with scientific and cultural progress, and their idea was that the more educated and cultured the population got, the more th obvious merits of socialism would bcome apparent – hence a democratic, evolutionary socialist ‘new society’ would emerge by consent and consensus.
    – Those dumb, blue-collar ass-holes who make up the Tea party are the antithesis of this ideal.
    Anyhow, my point is that the British Fabian approach is much to be preferred to the notion that the great unwashed Hispanic underclass can be used as some sort of ‘battering-ram’ to force change.I think you’re being ‘too clever by half’ here Bob, yes the Hispanics might *just* ensure a permanent Democrat majority in Congress and the Presidency, but you ignore the danger, the very real danger of the negative, unforessen consequences of a self-interested, low-income, low IQ tribal voting bloc.

    1. Well, what do you suggest for the US?
      You are full of a lot of critiques of my approach, but you’re not offering anything of your own.
      I suppose you would like to educate and culture Whites to the extent that they would be receptive to some sort of Fabian notion of economics. But I guess my point is that that’s a failed endeavor. I will probably only be around for another 30 years or so. When I die, US Whites will be just as reactionary and insane as ever. They will actually probably be even worse! They’re frankly a completely hopeless group of people.
      Even so-called liberal Whites are not really so liberal! Many “liberal” Whites and “independents” of any race have a very poor understanding of economics or even politics. White Americans of all types (including many “liberals”) and independents in general are reflexively hostile to the word “socialism,” and frankly they don’t even know what it means! All they know is they don’t want it!
      Many of these types are even sympathetic to varieties of Libertarianism these days. There are folks who call themselves liberals or even leaning towards being socialists and then say they are sympathetic to Libertarianism.
      It’s a phenomenally fuckheaded, ignorant and know-nothing breed of folks we have here in the US. After they get a university education, they are usually not much better!
      As a general rule, once Americans get into money, they start going rightwing, become hostile to the word “liberal,” become very hostile to the word “socialism” and often register at least as Independents. That is, they move away from the Democratic Party.
      Liberalism, the Democratic Party, socialism and all that are seen as for losers, and these are upwardly mobile college educated types who are headed for great things, or they are young and making good money. So the person with a good income, education and is cultured in the US moves more and more to the Right.
      Why? In the US, if you are into money, you move to the Right politically. Being on the Left or even being a liberal is seen as stupid if you are into money.
      Americans are very, very, very into money. De Tocqueville noted this 175 years ago, and not one thing has changed since. I’m told they are much more into money here than in Europe, and I believe they are more into money here than in Canada, Australia or New Zealand.
      US Whites are declining, and they’re useless and hopeless for any kind of progressive change anyway. Therefore, we must look elsewhere. US non-Whites are very progressive people. That’s unlikely to change much in the future. Even moneyed Blacks and Hispanics don’t vote Republican much: Blacks vote 5-10% Republican, and Hispanics vote 22% Republican. Making more money doesn’t change things too much.

  14. Unfortunately, socialism as represented in the USA, probably peaked in the late ’50s, in this context I mean the Democratic Party organizing ‘labor’ and ethnic Whites as a voting bloc – that model, like the European models it was based on had far to go.
    Unfortunately the Democrats started to play the role of race hustler, graudually pissing off ethnic and blue-collar whites big-time and turning them to the evil embrace of the Republicunts (who, ironically hate them).
    It was the Democratic Party that fucked things up and let the dickwads run rampant.

    1. Charles (The Bell Curve) Murray had an op-ed in yesterday’s Washington Post about “elites.”
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/22/AR2010102202873_2.html?sid=ST2010102204725
      Although he doesn’t come right out and say it, there’s an implicit suggestion here (particularly if you’re familiar with some of Murray’s other writing about the exaggerated economic value of education) that elites believe average Americans don’t know how wrong they are about so many things, and need to have anti-oppressive policies forced on them by federal government, and drilled into their skulls by a Diversitarian educational system.

  15. “So a plot was hatched to destroy the US middle class and hence ward off the threat of social democracy. One of the ways this way done was to dramatically ramp up immigration. Immigrants were imported from all over the world. Most of them were elite types – rich Latin Americans, people fleeing Left regimes, high-caste South Asians”
    Non-South Asians think any South Asian in their country who can speak their language and has a job is “high caste”.
    “Along with that, Reagan deliberately allowed mass importation of illegals from Mexico. The purpose of this was to destroy the part of the middle class that was working class based, because by this time, many working class White had worked their way to the middle class with union jobs.
    At the same time, the all-out ideological war on unions was ramped up. You will not find one single major newspaper, newsmagazine, radio channel or TV station that supports the organizations of the working class – unions. All of the US media is deadset against unions.”
    This is strange. Americans pride themselves on having a very large middle class. “Middle class values” are seen as the bedrock of the civilization, and yet the very mechanism which created this large middle class and its values, unions, is demonized.
    Any explanation for that?
    You say that even working class people now hate unions. Why? Are the unions not working in their best interests? What about the fact that the Left, or at least a very vocal portion of it is pro illegal immigration and Mexicans taking the jobs of America’s laborers, like construction workers?
    Then there’s the Right and all those corporations that like cheap labor and outsourcing.

    1. As a matter of fact, I know people who worked in the IT industry, and they said that almost all of these Indian IT immigrants are from the upper castes of India. You almost never find a single Indian immigrant who is a Dalit.
      Even those who are not upper castes are from higher castes that persecute Dalits. For instance, the Patels who are ubiquitously in the hotel/motel business everywhere Gujaratis are found are notorious back in India for vicious abuse of Dalits.
      So yeah, the overwhelming majority of Indian immigrants are from the higher castes. A low caste Indian immigrant for all intents and purposes does not even exist.

      1. “So yeah, the overwhelming majority of Indian immigrants are from the higher castes.”
        Which specific castes are you referring to here?

        1. And while you’re at it, Bob, link to your blog about African Immigrant IQ. This is the third time I’m asking politely, yo.

  16. AJ” I fully support the flooding of America with Chinese, Nigerians, Mexicans, Latin Americans, Indians, and various Third World people. Get ready for the faces of the “new Americans”. James Edwards is a bright guy. Hes right, you cannot have a first world nation with a third world population. The demographics in Russia is getting better all the time, believe me. Russia will be even whiter in 40 years whereas America will be brown(er). What goes around comes around. Or as Malcolm X once said,”The chickens are coming home to roost”.”
    How do you know you can’t have a first world nation with a third world populace? This social experiment is in its infancy, or fetushood rather, and we have yet to see.
    “The demographics in Russia is getting better all the time, believe me. Russia will be even whiter in 40 years whereas America will be brown(er).”
    Are White Russians having babies at and above replacement level?
    AFA chickens coming home to roost, you may be right about that. I still think the future for the US and the world is bright.

  17. Bay Area Guy
    October 24, 2010 at 9:02 PM
    Well, ending outsourcing, open borders, H1b visas, and other forms of cheap labor would be great in the long term.
    Sure, prices would rise temporarily, but the long term demographic problems and economic problems that come with New World Order neoliberalism would come to an end.
    ___
    How so? White Americans would all of a sudden start reproducing at replacement rates? They don’t even like to get or stay married!
    The end of economic problems and NWO….. how?

  18. I see a society that’s going back to slavery especially in Africa. Corruption in third world countries has also led to the African elite seeking refuge in America & Europe. When they come back, they have this hatred & pride against middle class authentic Africans. & since they got their education from Havard, have American accents & et cetera, they think that they’re ‘The Chosen Ones’ & act like gods. What unfolds is that a social valley is created. These people pay authentic Africans less than “American Wannabees” & give the same people more opportunities.Meanwhile, gated communities of the superwealthy are on a sharp rise as the middle class authentic africans work hard for meager incomes. A good example is the Konza city that will amount to $10bn & host only 200,000 people out of 40m kenyans.| in a country where unemployment, famine & hunger is rampant. They talk of vision 2030 attainment but that is in fact a gated community for the superwealthy. That’s why we even have MOMBASA residents forming the Mombasa Republican Council to fight for their land rights. Since most prime coastal land has been taken over by the same super elite who also plan on building a port in LAMU. That’s what is happening in africa & Kenya in particular. While the rich africans become super rich, poverty & unemployment for the common african thrives in abudance.

      1. Yeah, let’s hope he makes himself at home here, for the sake of us redblooded heterosexual women. Otherwise the only photos we have to gaze at are your’s (Bobby’s) and Bay Area Guys. Both middle aged plain joe white guys and then the imagined photos of the all Desi mamas boys who post here.
        Can you say, “Where’s The Fuckin’ Eye Candy Already?”
        Thankyou Kiruai Dennis for being a good looking African man who posted his pic to bring some relief to my sore third eye!

    1. “While the rich africans become super rich, poverty & unemployment for the common african thrives in abudance.”
      Dennis, its the same story in my mother country, India.

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