What Would a Sane Pro-White Movement Look Like?

Repost from the old site.
A pro-White movement (whatever that means) could go somewhere in the US. Recall my quote in an earlier post from a Time Magazine poll that found that 77% of US Whites were ethnocentric and felt that White culture was valuable and deserved to be preserved.
Now I don’t know exactly where these folks stand, or what policies they would support, but I assure you that even out here in California, among liberal and even Leftist and Communist Whites, there is support for the 77% fraction of that poll.
A reasonable pro-White movement would be expected to speak for those 77% of US Whites who are “ethnocentric, and think White culture is valuable and is worth preserving”, without offending them or turning them off with a bunch of racist crap.
The problem is that there is no such movement. When any group or webpage says “pro-White”, prepare your gag reflex and get ready to take off running. Even if they aren’t praising Adolf Hitler, they are surely praising Bull Connor. The pro-White movement in the US is not moderate – it’s only extreme. Even the most moderate elements are far too extreme for even the ethnocentric Whites that I know.
Let’s look at what the pro-White movement in the US supports, who they like and who they dislike:
The WN movement supports segregation, hates MLK, Obama, Nelson Mandela and Rosa Parks, loves apartheid, cheers the genocide of the American Indians and pours scorn on the Indians defending their land, loves White colonialism and praises it to the skies, supports White separatism, cheers on the South in the Civil War and Jim Crow, minimizes lynching, hates civil rights laws and anti-discrimination laws, hates Blacks and almost everyone who isn’t White except for maybe some Asians, and hates interracial dating, sex and marriage as “race mixing” or “miscegenation”.
Further, many even moderate WN’s support throwing out all non-Whites from the US, and especially sending Blacks back to Africa. And it’s standard White nationalism across the board that the only real Americans are White people.
Jesus man.
Do you have any idea how that resonates with the ethnocentric Whites I know? Like a lead balloon.
Let me tell you where they stand, who they like and who they hate:
They hate segregation, love MLK, Rosa Parks and Nelson Mandela, they’re voting for Obama, hate apartheid, hate the conquest of the American Indians and support the Indians’ defense of their land, hate White colonialism (in general – anyway, they don’t praise it to the skies), think White separatism is idiotic and laughable, hate the South in the Civil War and side with the North even if they had relatives on both sides, hate Jim Crow, think lynching was “terrorism against Blacks”, support civil rights and anti-discrimination laws, are indifferent to interracial dating and marriage, though they were initially dubious about it (because so many young Whites are doing it, including their relatives), don’t hate other races or groups – even Blacks, find even primitive groups in the Third World fascinating and are sympathetic to them, and will give you a hate look and walk out of the room if you even say the words “race-mixing” or miscegenation.
If you start talking about throwing non-Whites out of the US or sending Blacks back to Africa, they will probably swear at you, may try to hit you, and might either throw you out of the house or just walk out of the room. If you tell them that only Whites are real Americans, they might try to hit you in the head with a frying pan.
And yet, they are ethnocentric, feel White culture is valuable, and feel it should be preserved. Who will speak for them? Apparently no one. Way to go, guys.

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    1. I agree with your sentiment here. Most liberals I know are actually Liberal Race Realists. They are not comfortable with racism and they try to avoid it in themselves, but they are familiar with it, as they’ve experienced it and continue to feel that way at times.
      Basically the average White liberal is conflicted about race. He’s trying very hard not to be racist, but he slips up sometimes, and to some extent, he sympathizes with some White racism, or at least understands where they are coming from. OTOH, he’s trying not to go down that road himself. Why? Moral issues. White liberals think racism is immoral, so they feel guilty if they think or act in racist ways.
      OTOH, White liberals are not stupid about race at all. Most of them are very racially aware.

      1. I’m on vacation using a Netbook, so it’s hard to type everything I’d like to. This subject is one of my core issues. What I’d like is for the following NOT to happen:
        Racial identities are expunged from news stories like that high school gang rape in Oakland, because it doesn’t fit the media’s definition of a race-related incident.
        School systems use different discipline measures on black and white students because they don’t want their stats to be skewed.
        If zero black students qualify for an AP class, blame the admission standards.
        History textbooks reduce their content on Thomas Jefferson to write more about Harriet Tubman.
        Dysfunctional inner cities full of out of control kids and young adults are blamed on society (for a reason other than we empower nonmarital parenthood with generous welfare)
        People claim every institution needs to reflect society (does Congress need high-school dropouts?)
        Basically, we shouldn’t assume every achievement disparity reflects whites’ creation of opportunity disparity.
        Another thing about the term “racism”– it used to be violating a person’s equal rights for their ethnicity PER SE. Now, diversitarians expand the definition to include “enjoying the benefits of our nation’s system of white privilege.” If that’s your definition of racism, I’ll be a racist.
        When racism was what George Wallace and Bull Connor did, racism could be linked to ignorance. People still make that link, despite obvious behavioral differences. It’s not ignorance to believe blacks create non-families to raise kids in. If it’s racism, we need to de-stigmatize the term.
        (BTW, where I live blacks are the dominant minority; in Hispanic areas, the issues might be bit different.)

      2. Dr. Robert Lindsay, as my parentry goes back to mostly Hindu India here’s my thoughts as a nonwhite Bengali (Calcutta). I agree with you that segregation, apartheid, slavery & discrimination are wrong. I support = chance for all & if a person is discriminated against, there must be justice. If a person commit’s a crime or is a crime victim, then there must be = punishment based on facts & circumstances of each case. With colonialism, there’s no need for the British to apologize to me for colonizing India & there’s no need for the Portuguese to apologize to me for Goa. Independence in 1947 & 1961 ended the topic & it’s best to enjoy independence than to complain about how things were before then. Dinesh D’Souza does not think the British owe him an apology.
        With racisim & ethnicism, if a White person is bigoted against me but treats me fairly when it comes to jobs, housing & so on, then it’s fine with me. I like columnist Patrick J. Buchanan’s views on many topics. I’m not bothered by the fact Patrick J. Buchanan in the past was against sanctioning apartheid South Africa. While Apartheid was bad, genocides where Black Africans kill other Black Africans such as Rwanda, Congo are worse. Patrick J. Buchanan does treat others fairly though people often accuse him of bigotry. People who are racists/ethnicists can be friends with those they are bigoted against.
        With American Indians, the history is more complicated & as I’ve said, American Indians were proud winners when they won their lands by wars but after the American Indians lost their lands by wars, the American Indians became sore losers complaining about ‘conquests’ & ‘stolen land.’ There are many eg. But Creek Indians got their lands waging wars against the Choctaws & Chickasaws, Comanches got their lands waging wars against other American Indians, Aztecs got their lands by waging wars against other Amerindians & so it goes-all these groups were proud winners. Yet after the Creeks, Comanches & Aztecs lost their lands in wars to the Europeans, then they complained about ‘stolen land.’ I used to repeat the politically correct view of American Indians by saying ‘the land was stolen from the American Indians’ but I changed my view after thinking about it. Truth is that for the most part, the land was NOT stolen from the American Indians. Much of the land was uninhabited (except for plants & animals living before) & much of the lands each Indian tribe had was taken from another Indian tribe by conquest. The American Indians were not Noble Savages but were living like tribal gangs where each tribe had their own land & when they wanted land from another Indian tribe, they used tribal wars with tomahawks, bow & arrows to get it from another tribe. Though you didn’t raise this, the reservation topic is a moot point. American Indians don’t have to live on reservations & can live anywhere they want to in the USA. Even in cases where land was taken from them & where they were put on reservations, it is again a moot point because they don’t have to live there. There was no genocide as most of the Indian deaths was due to diseases & there’s no proof to the statistic that 10s of millions of Indians died of diseases-that # is too high. Genocide would be Nazi Germany’s extermination program against Jews & 19 to 40 million Chinese killed by Imperial Japan’s military during WW2. Incidentally, most Germans & Japanese are fine people who have done many nice things for science & culture & must not be judged by what the Nazis & Imperialists did.
        But what is past is past-what matters is what‘s happening today. If a Black or American Indian is discriminated against when it comes to jobs, then that is wrong & must be solved by legal system such as let’s say an American Indian who has talent to become an engineer is discriminated against when it comes to being admitted to a University. If a Black or an American Indian commit’s a crime or is a crime victim, then there must be = punishment by facts & circumstances of each case. But where I have a problem are cases such as 2006 Duke rape hoax where a Black woman falsely accused several White men of rape & the media quickly took the woman’s side-some continued to do so even AFTER it was proven the woman lied & there were Blacks who wanted the men convicted though they were innocent.

      3. Added comment because after I posted here, talked with a Black man on Amerindian topic. It was interesting because he believes that Whites owe an apology to American Indians, but he didn’t think Creek Indians owed an apology to the Choctaws & Chicasaw Indians when Creek Indians got their land by wars & he didn’t think the Japanese owed the Chinese an apology for Rape of Nanking, etc. during WW2.His reason was because it was a family matter between Indians & that Chinese & Japanese are cousins while with Eruopeans in the Americas, it’s different. His view was that as long as American Indians killed other American Indians for territory, it’s ‘family matter’ but it’s different when Whites did this though the results are the same.
        Linda P. Harvey of Mission America who is part American Indian has defended Columbus Day & said that both the Tainos & Canibs fought eachother for territory. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were other groups who were there before the Tainos & Canibs killed or drove them off-there were Europeans called Solutreans (30,000) who came to the Americas during the Ice Age & 25% of DNA of early Native Americans were White. If it’s true that there were others living there before the Tainos & Canibs, then it disproves the idea that Tainos & Canibs were the 1st inhabitants.
        Mr. Dinesh D’Souza has critiqued politically correctness when it comes to American Indians. Mr. John T. Reed who is part Cherokee has also critiqued this & you can read here http://johntreed.com/headline/2010/11/24/did-whites-steal-natve-american-land/

    2. Taylor’s promoting some hardcore racist shit.
      What % of US Whites want to roll back all civil rights laws? 15%?
      What % of US Whites want to end all immigration to the US? 15%?
      What % of US Whites are opposed to miscegenation? 25% is the answer.
      See? He’s promoting a loser agenda. Not only are those numbers small, but they get smaller every year, as their agenda fades into the past. These WN guys are in a race against time. They won’t win.

    3. …except, that Jared Taylor, at least in the present day, is a member of the ‘insane’ Pro-White movement.
      The comments have been turned over first to the neocons(they don’t understand the difference between NeoCons and Trad Cons, they just think the more to the right, the more pro-White) and now to the Pro-Trump mobs….
      He’s basically all but stopped linking to any research. It’s all just his personal opinions/rants about things.
      How have I not seen this article before?
      I’m glad that others are also skeptical of WN movements. Those guys are truly scary. #nevertrump

  1. if white liberals are not stupid about race then why do they support affirmative action? @FrankBD- was that Oakland racially motivated? I belive the girl was white and most of the boys hispanic but i remember reading that it wasnt a race incident because at least one of the boys white.

  2. Has there ever been a non-racist pro-White movement or organization ANYwhere on this planet? It seems like every pro-White group in EVERY country is overlowing with racism. Why cannot Whites look after their own people without harming other races?

    1. “Why cannot Whites look after their own people without harming other races?”
      That is why I vote Asians for the win 🙂 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Looking after thier own people is a lost cause of whites, cause as in the case of Appalachia, so many of them are no different than blacks (not genetically, but culture-wise)

        1. Well, Jason, the drug use, lack of work ethic/general morality ethics, and such are highly visible and just as bad as Blacks, yes.
          However, the one true thing EPGAH ever said, still stands, Appalachian Whites are generally less violent than Blacks, even if their societies are completely dysfunctional.
          I insist Ann Coulter/Breitbart/Jared Taylor fololwer types don’t care about Whites. They just want an outlet for their Agression, because they have sky-High T. They are also lesser intelligent, and are making excuses, but don’t want to admit it, or can’t because they can’t comprehend it because they are too stupid.
          The more I see the more I realize how much of ridicolous con-men people like Coulter, Trump, Yiannapolous, etc. are.
          Coulter just wants to make money.
          Trump just wants to gratify his ego.
          Yiannapolous wants to crash Breitbart into the ground with the WN b.s., because it means he has a good record of White Supremacists are saying, and has their IP adresses/records etc.
          He’s a Jew, Breitbart was a Jew, Shapiro (although he left), is a Jew, and there is a Spanish lady (these are the writers).
          These people are trolls, because the people they attract are so mind numbingly stupid, they can’t do basic research, and such an unwillingness is, at least according to Jayman, linked to lower IQ.(People with IQs of 1+SDs on White Norms won’t shy away from doing research/don’t like to be ignorant). Only a small fraction of these people are well informed,
          the Coulter/Taylor/Trump/Breitbart fan median IQ may be -1SD from the White median, so 1–1=2 SDs, that shows the rarity of people who aren’t unashamedly ignorant on those sites.

    2. The Alt Left would be a movement that is pro-White, likes Whites and White culture and values the people and the societies they create. Also at least my wing would be nonracist. I would say that we should be antiracist, but antiracism has been so taken over by insane people that I do not want to identify with it anymore.
      Not sure about the other wing – it looks White nationalist.

      1. That would take cutting the Cultural Marxist monopoly on the media, and involve not allowing things like Ferguson to happen, right?
        No affirmative Action.
        No affirmative busing unless a student really deserves it.
        IQ is more relevant.
        Maybe I am just too closed minded, but this “culture and values” stuff, is just too abstract. Whites in Ferguson or Kate Steinle’s family, don’t give a rat’s ass about “White culture” they just want a stop to crime/violence. I just can’t see indoctrinating NAMs with White values stopping that.
        However, it’s still better than Alt-Right’s crazy, so called “liberty camps” 🙂

  3. ULTRA COOL’S SIMPLE ANSWER
    Yes, whites WALK AWAY. That is both the worst and least harmful thing we do because then the place becomes Detroit.
    Asians, however, do not seem to care much if we hang around or not because their communities are self-sufficient without a white middle-class tax base…although of course they want our buck in their massage parlors.
    When do you actually hear of whites wanting to “harm” the country of Nigeria or Guatemala. No interest.
    The desire not to live around minorities is our ultimate crime…they regress to the mean and then the place resembles Haiti or Mexico, as the Southwest will.
    We just move away.
    It’s the worst thing we can do.

    1. First of all, regression to the mean is a family effect, not a racial effect.
      Second, it seems you alt-righters/WNs seem to think regression only applies to NAMs. Are Aryans somehow exempt from the laws of biology now?

  4. The most harmful thing whites can do is to NOT GIVE A BLOODY SHIT, which is also how Asians feel, who tend to form their own communities.
    Then minorities truly suffer as their cities infrastructure collapses like Detroit.
    Southwest will resemble Tijuana and Mexicans will try to immigrate as far North as Alaska, following white flight like a rear camp guard.

  5. To Robert:
    The Alt Left would be a movement that is pro-White, likes Whites and White culture and values the people and the societies they create.
    If the US were to implement a few social principals from the Soviet Union (Traditional Left) a number of problems affecting functioning citizens (of any race) would drop markedly.
    1) Secure borders – The Soviets did not tolerate illegal entry.
    2) Implement the 101 rule:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_kilometre
    “The rights of an inmate to move freely about the country after release from a prison would be restricted for a long period. Instead of regular documents, inmates would receive a temporary substitute, a “wolf ticket” (Russian: волчий билет, volchiy bilet), confining them to internal exile without the right to settle closer than 100 km (62 mi) to large urban centres where they would be refused the residency permit .”
    That said I very much doubt any of these will come into effect, especially the second one, as it would very likely have a disparate racial impact, even if done without a racist policy in mind.

    1. Try getting that based the Alt-Right. They will insist you are buying into the “stupid mulatto’s” (Obama’s) Commie nonsense.
      The Alt-Right doesn’t care about you, TJF.
      I repeat: “I insist Ann Coulter/Breitbart/Jared Taylor follower types (the Alt Right) don’t care about Whites. They just want an outlet for their aggression because they have sky-High T. They are also less intelligent and are making excuses, but don’t want to admit it, or can’t because they can’t comprehend it because they are too stupid.”

      1. To Another William Playfair Web:
        Try getting that based the Alt-Right.They will insist you are buying into the “stupid mulattoe’s” (Obama’s) Commie nonsense.
        The Alt-Right is not in power nor in my opinion are likely to come to power in my lifetime, so it’s moot what they think.
        Those who are in power – the Economic center-right / Cultural left as represented by President Obama – have demonstrated no inclination to enforce current laws against illegal immigration and are directly opposed to the second measure because they passed laws which disallow discrimination against ex-cons (of any race) in employment and housing.
        The Alt-Right doesn’t care about you, TJF.
        I don’t know nor do I really care since they have so little influence in my life.
        I insist Ann Coulter… They just want an outlet for their Aggression, because they have sky-High T.
        I am no longer a young man, but I would think (hope) my testosterone levels are higher than Ann Coulter’s. 😉

        1. I am no longer a young man, but I would think (hope) my testosterone levels are higher than Ann Coulter’s.😉 Look at her Adam’s Apple!
          I was referring to her followers/base, not her.
          There have always been Mexican immigrants doing cheap labor and Japanese/Jews working in STEM (well, as far back as the turn of the century, believe it or not), but I agree that it’s gotten way out of hand. I was not aware of the major H1B problem in the STEM industry that you talk about, but I had always seen the Mexican thing. I read somewhere 14% of Americans are foreign born. That’s too high.
          In the Two Communist Countries that never enslaved their own people (Cuba, as well as back with the Soviets), the standard of living has fallen/fell, but industry was superb, morale was high.
          “The rights of an inmate to move freely about the country after release from a prison would be restricted for a long period. Instead of regular documents, inmates would receive a temporary substitute, a “wolf ticket” (Russian: волчий билет, volchiy bilet), confining them to internal exile without the right to settle closer than 100 km (62 mi) to large urban centres where they would be refused the residency permit .”
          You said it may be construed as racist, but Brazil has confiscated guns/regulated from everyone, regardless of record, and that has backfired, for the poor Portuguese resent the Black thugs, as they see them. The President is going to be possibly impeached and there is a reasonable possibility of Civil War, so the truth will set you free, if it’s fair, it’s fair, otherwise it’s not. I don’t think that’s a concern.

        2. I was referring to her followers/base, not her.
          You may like “Adios America” but you are smart enough to realize hordes of rapist Vietnamese and MexicanTs aren’t coming for you. It’s the complete Ass-kissers that I regard as foolish.

        3. I would just like to clarify one more time,
          Ann Coulter may have good points about the Economic repercussions of immigration. However, to smart people, her fantasies about Rape and related things makes the book completely anti-intellectual and diminishes the real concerns;
          Labor issues.

  6. To Another William Playfair Web:
    I was referring to her followers/base, not her.
    I assumed as much albeit she does have pretty angular features and is apparently 6 feet tall. On a tangential note Caitlyn Jenner is a political conservative.
    You may like “Adios America”
    I am aware that Anne Coulter wrote “Adios America” but I have never read it, nor any of her other books. I classify her as an entertainer / shit disturber like Rush Limbaugh, Al Sharpton, etc. and don’t take her seriously.
    you are smart enough to realize hordes of rapist Vietnamese and MexicanTs aren’t coming for you.
    Almost all of the Vietnamese in this country came legally (or are descendants of legal immigrants) and their presence here is due to idiotic US foreign policy, FWIW I count several Vietnamese immigrants as friends. I don’t place them in the same category as Mexicans who came here illegally and generally don’t have any ax to grind against legal Latino immigrants – my main beef with illegal labor from any country is that it suppresses wages and harms worker’s rights.

  7. To Another William Playfair Web:
    I would just like to clarify one more time,
    Ann Coulter may have good points about the Economic repercussions of immigration. However, to smart people, her fantasies about Rape and related things makes the book completely anti-intellectual and diminishes the real concerns; Labor issues.

    Yes, it sounds like we are on the same page.

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