Some White Nationalist Lies About the US Left

BAG writes:

What you see here with these professional blacks is this whole “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality. 
So even if cheap Hispanic labor is hurting black workers, they’ll support open borders because they want to weaken white people by bringing in more fellow “people of color.”

I’ve been on the Left for over 30 years. I’ve worked with all kinds of liberal and leftwing groups. I’ve met Jerry Brown, Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda. I’ve had friends who knew them well. A woman I dated once, an attorney, took off with Jerry Brown once at the end of a fundraiser for him in Laguna Hills in 1982. I’ve had friends who knew Tim Leary and his wife Rosemary and used to hang out at their Hollywood house. I’ve known most of the leaders of NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) for 30 years.
I’ve been active in the Communist Party, the Socialist Party USA and the Green Party. I’ve spoken to top people in both parties, including their Presidential candidates.
I also taught in Black schools for years and got to know quite a few Blacks, including some radicals. I know some radical Blacks at the moment.
Never once have I heard anyone say let’s bring in non-Whites to dilute these Whites.
Not once. I want to see White decline, but not through mass importation of non-Whites. I’d prefer to let things play out naturally.
BAG’s quote is White nationalist nonsense. Blacks don’t support illegal immigration to weaken the hated White man. Forget it. They support it for the same reason Jews do. Many of the most vocal people opposing the illegals are ultra-conservative Whites. Many of them are deeply racist against not just Hispanics but also against Blacks and Jews. Blacks and Jews don’t like nativist anti-immigrant movements because all they do is feed White racism. As White racism grows, logically it swivels away from Hispanics to include Blacks and maybe Jews in its target range. It’s actually a smart way to think. These folks understand White racism well.
I’ve never heard of one Democratic Party official saying let’s legalize all the illegals so we will have a permanent Democratic majority.
This is another crazy White nationalist lie, now repeated by an increasingly openly racist Republican Party.
I guess somewhere someone is saying that. But Democrats just don’t think like that. That’s the height of cynical politics, and Republicans do the cynical and super-shitty politics well. Democrats are lousy at it. They’re too altruistic to get down in the mud.
Democrats support amnesty for all sorts of reasons, mostly to get Hispanic votes. They also do it for deeper and more ideological reasons, mostly centered around doing the right thing, being a good person, and not being a racist. Liberals just don’t have hate in their hearts. They’re all trying to walk like Jesus. The hate thing is the terrain of the US Right.

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  1. Yeah, well of course they’re not going to come out and say, “oh yeah, we support this because we want to weaken whites and increase our own standing as a result.”
    But alas, that’s what happens, and that mentality plays a big role in them supporting open borders.
    And you know what’s funny? Hardcore white nationalists opposed the Iraq war, oppose neoliberalism, and oppose U.S. imperialism. Does that mean the left should stop opposing those things, just to avoid being in the same boat as WN’s?
    All I know is that anyone who supports open borders might as well be anti-white and supporting open borders for the reasons I listed. Regardless of intentions, that’s the effect of their support.
    Oh, and I should mention that the left does indeed hate. They just don’t hate “protected classes.”
    To quote you, “this is what sucks about being on the left. In order to be on the left, I have to hate my race the whites, so I can suck up to radical blacks. I also have to hate my gender, the males, so I can suck up to radical feminists. If that’s what it means to be on the left, screw it. I might as well join the Tea Party. At least they don’t hate whites, males, and straights.”

    1. LOL, those are Leftists. I’m talking about liberals. No *way* do White liberals hate Whites and males, forget it. That’s the hard Left PC crowd. There’s a big difference between a liberal and a Leftist. *Big* difference. White liberals are not that different from you, at least the ones I know.
      Blacks are insane if they think illegal immigration is going to both weaken Whites and empower Blacks. LOL. Especially the latter.

    2. Thanks for the clarification, Robert.
      I guess that when I speak about these issues, I often think of leftists, not liberals. You’re right, there is a BIG difference between the two.
      Yeah, leftists even hate liberals.
      I’ll be more careful to distinguish between the two from now on.

    3. It’s interesting.
      Behind closed doors, my dad (a good liberal and all) actually agrees with much of what I say regarding “diversity” and other race related issues.
      Even my mom, an overcompensating liberal, agrees with much of what I think about blacks.
      Although she claims that she’s not racist against blacks, but rather is on guard around blacks based on bad experiences, she doesn’t exactly have a high opinion of black people.
      She’s had too many bad experiences in Oakland and on BART.

      1. Though I think I personally played a role in changing my dad’s views!
        Not that I’m trying to tute my own horn or anything! 😉

      2. They don’t agree with my views on Jews very much.
        To a certain extent, they do. My mom acknowledged that Jews can indeed be crazy and aggressive at times.
        My dad, even though he’s a bit of a philo-Semite and PC with regards to Jews, acknowledges that Jews are not an oppressed group and enjoy disproportionate influence, are unfairly insulated from criticism, etc.
        White liberals have no choice but to be philo-Semites, in many ways.
        That’s what one of the things that I like about Robert. He’s a liberal, but he’s very Jew wise.

    4. “All I know is that anyone who supports open borders might as well be anti-white and supporting open borders for the reasons I listed. Regardless of intentions, that’s the effect of their support.”
      Uh oh BAG,
      Sounds dangerously close to the method Blacks use to define racism. You know, motive and intent not required, only outcome matters…
      See we’re not that different after all 🙂
      Moments like this confirm to me that Whites can understand our rationale for labeling something racist but just choose not to.

      1. Uh oh BAG,
        Sounds dangerously close to the method Blacks use to define racism. You know, motive and intent not required, only outcome matters…
        See we’re not that different after all

        Lol! Very good. If nothing else, I know now that you keep very good track of what people say!
        Moments like this confirm to me that Whites can understand our rationale for labeling something racist but just choose not to.
        I think that’s a human thing in general.
        People are able to understand their own situation and apply complex analysis to problems pertaining to their own group, but when it comes to outside groups, they have trouble seeing eye to eye with them.

        1. I also think that, with regards to blacks, whites see blacks as labeling EVERYTHING racist.
          In the minds of whites, blacks fume about racism 24/7 and are non-stop malcontents.
          Therefore, even if deep down they know that some black grievances are legit, they cannot help but think that blacks are frequently crying wolf.
          In the minds of white people, incidents like the whole NAACP Hallmark card controversy just confirm that blacks are incessant whiners who complain about everything and are just LOOKING to find something racist.

        2. What you witness is something of a zeal with finding provable instances of racism and a catharsis in bringing said instances to light.
          The reason for this is that over the last several decades, racism went from overt to insidious. Not saying it’s at the same levels, but it’s still there. Robert himself often talks about the ways in which modern whites are still racist. These insidious forms of racial attitudes can be more frustrating than the overt forms because you know it’s there, but can’t prove it or point it out so easily. Every now and then you’ll see some study on 20/20 using hidden cameras or something that catches whites clearly behaving in racist fashion and denying it. And then blacks will collectively say, “Ah hah! That’s what we’ve been saying all along, I’m glad someone finally caught it on tape!” Blacks intrinsically know that America has always been a defacto caste system, and that we are the ones assigned to the bottom ever since slavery. No one speaks of it in those terms but it’s true. Blacks intrinsically know that white privilege exists, but whites usually being the least knowledgeable on such matters as has always been the case just can’t see it. It’s the same way in Latin America. The upper crust don’t think their society is inherently rigged, they just think all those poor blacks and Indians deserve to be there.
          Thus, whites and blacks simply can’t reach any reconciliation on “the race problem.” Whites view blacks position as being the result of black pathology. Blacks view our position as being the result of 400 years of living in a defacto caste system with white privilege. In truth, I doubt it’s one or the other but rather a combination of both. Though the tough part for us nuanced thinkers is determining how much of each is a contributing factor. But neither side is willing to budge much in their one-or-the-other position. There’s too much ego and pride involved. Whites view themselves as benevolent non-racist people, blacks view themselves as victims of racism.

        3. I think confirmation bias plays a role.
          Blacks are 100% convinced that they are victimized by racism at every turn. And so every instance of blatant racism is an “I knew it!” moment.
          Whites think that blacks like to constantly complain and find racism where there is none. As a result, when there’s an incident like the NAACP Hallmark card controversy or Jesse Jackson saying that Cleveland Cavs owner Dan Gilbert views Lebron James as a runaway slave, they say, “Aha! There they go again playing the race card. Those blacks are always complaining about every trivial thing!”
          I do think that there’s too much pride on both sides. Neither side wants to budge.
          I don’t think that either side is honestly interested in the REAL truth. Of course, even as a WN, I know that whites have their myths and often are dishonest with themselves regarding race (ie. they play the good liberal, but don’t exactly like black people deep down).
          I also know that, based on my encounters with blacks and what I read over at Abagond, blacks too have their romanticized myths and get upset whenever somebody shatters their illusion.
          I don’t know what the solution is. I think Ta-Nehisi Coates has a pretty good approach to these issues.
          He recognizes that racism exists and that blacks are at a disadvantage, but he also knows that haranguing whites and ranting about “white privilege” won’t do a lick of good.
          I think his practical approach that places emphasis on pushing for practical policies as opposed to trying to purify white people is the way to go.
          I think he said it best (paraphrase): “We need to convince white people that they’re not doing black people a favor by helping them. They’re saving the country. We need to frame racism as a national security issue.”
          He points out that blacks need to recognize that everything they get from whites will be a compromise. They thus need to approach whites using self-interested language, ie. “by helping us, you also get something out of it.” Basically, win-win language.
          Of course, I know that many blacks probably regard such an approach as surrendering to white racism, and might view TNC as “the great accommodator,” as W.E.B. Dubois referred to Booker T. Washington.
          But this Abagondista approach simply doesn’t work, period.
          It’s a recipe for further turning off and alienating more white people. Which is fine by me. That makes the white nationalist job of winning over whites to their cause that much easier.

  2. Say what you will, Robert, but I’ve seen this whole “let us band together to get whitey” mentality up close and personal.
    I at times had to learn the hard way how “people of color” will work together to fight a common enemy.
    I just see support for open borders among blacks as an extension of this mentality that I witnessed.

    1. Where the hell is BAG getting this idea that blacks support illegal aliens? It seems like many of his world views are based on ignorance and lack of information.
      http://www.thegrio.com/politics/black-leaders-out-of-step-with-followers-on-immigration.php
      [blockquote]The first big warning sign of black frustration with illegal immigration came during the battle over Proposition 187 in California in 1994. White voters voted by big margins for the proposition that denied public services to undocumented immigrants. But nearly fifty percent of blacks also backed the measure.
      Then Republican governor Pete Wilson shamelessly pandered to anti-immigrant hysteria and rode it to a reelection victory. Wilson also got nearly 20 percent of the black vote that election. It was double what Republicans in California typically get from blacks. Wilson almost certainly bumped up his black vote total with his freewheeling assault on illegal immigration. Blacks also gave substantial support to anti-bi-lingual ballot measures in California.[/blockquote]

      1. I agree with you Tulio, that the average Black American, even if he/she identifies as Liberal or even an Obama voter, is adamently not in favor of illegal aliens taking jobs — and scarcer and scarcer resources — from them.

    2. Tulio, I pointed out that PROFESSIONAL blacks support open borders, as do most black politicians and leaders.
      Yeah, I know that flesh-and-blood blacks aren’t exactly thrilled about illegal immigration.
      But these liberal arts/politician/activist types do, for the most part. Abagondistas (ie. black anti-racists) also support open borders.
      In order to avoid this confusion, I’ll try to distinguish between black activists/leaders and flesh-and-blood average black people.

      1. My original point about certain blacks supporting open borders was a response to Prole, who pointed out that black professionals support open borders.

      2. Black leaders support illegal immigrants for the same reason they support gay marriage and abortion, because it’s on the democratic party platform. It’s no more complicated than that.

        1. Black leaders support illegal immigrants for the same reason they support gay marriage and abortion, because it’s on the democratic party platform. It’s no more complicated than that.
          Good point.
          Like white Democrats, they need to be supported by the party machine and get paid.

        2. Many flesh-and-blood people aren’t exactly thrilled about abortion and gay marriage either.
          I guess black leaders really are that out of touch, or are simply on the payroll of the party/corporate machine.

  3. Many flesh-and-blood people aren’t exactly thrilled about abortion and gay marriage either.
    I guess black leaders really are that out of touch, or are simply on the payroll of the party/corporate machine

    It’s all part of the Great Coalition my friend. Party politics. You go along with the whole package. The Black leaders go along with the package because there is a reward in it for them if they do. Politics is sleazy, but it’s rational and very important.

    1. It’s all part of the Great Coalition my friend. Party politics. You go along with the whole package. The Black leaders go along with the package because there is a reward in it for them if they do. Politics is sleazy, but it’s rational and very important.
      The unfortunate thing about the so-called Black “leaders”, Robert, is that they, unlike virtually any other ethnic or racial group, seem to go along nearly 99.9% with the Liberal, Jewish and social-Marxist agenda.
      Hook, line and stinker… no questions asked.

    1. I’m a socialist. US Whites are horrifically rightwing. We need to get rid of them. The only way to do that is through slow decline. I don’t favor doing it via mass immigration of non-Whites, legal or illegal. If they weren’t so damned reactionary, I would not mind them, but as it is, they have to go.
      An increasingly non-White America will finally give us the socialist country that we need.

        1. There won’t be any destruction of Whites. Our % of the population will just gradually decline, that’s all. We will still be here, it’s just that every 2 years, Whites will decline another % point in the population. Our numbers may well increase for all I know. Just that the others will increase faster.
          That’s a WN lie. That Whites declining as a % of the population is “White genocide.” Not necessarily true.
          Intermarriage will result in White decline, but I’m not sure how good that will be for our goal.

        2. We’ll just keep going down, getting pushed back until we’re just another ethnic interest group. Sounds pretty shitty to me. The white population is increasing by 0.2% a year in America and is in decline all across Europe. Any increase there is attributable to non-whites In ten years it will be flat in America, then declining shortly after. I don’t care about having huge numbers, but I don’t want to be increasingly a minority. Well, nothing I can do about that. But I can’t help fearing that the America I die in is going resemble modern day Brazil. I should probably spare my future children by not bringing them into the world.

        3. Lol!
          If only Thad were listening to this discussion. I’m sure he’d be ready to rapidly correct whatever misconceptions we might have about Brazil!

        4. Yeah. Brazil. That’s the ticket. Hyper income inequality and 6000 color/racial designations. Yes, the Brazilianization of the US would definitely eliminate our racial problems…….NOT!

      1. But will a non-white socialist USA be a functional country that you want to live in? Would you rather live in, say, Venezuela? If so, what’s stopping you? Why change the USA to Venezuela, when Venezuela already exists? Why homogenize the world to brown socialism?
        I suspect you are just a bit impatient. US Whites need to work out of the Calvinist myths of the past, that blossomed like a red tide because of the great Petroleum Industrial Blowout of the 20th century. It will take time, but things are changing quite well on their own.
        Without Whites though, it would be nothing but crap. Whites = Humanitarian Civilization. Granted, East Asians are also capable of civilization, but it’s not the kind of civilization you’d like one bit, but you know that.

        1. Waiting for US Whites to come around enough to get civilized enough to implement a Canadian style socialism of their own is a hopeless cause. I will die before that happens. White Americans are permanently head fucked as far as their reactionary politics goes. I live in California now. It’s 43% White. It’s not the greatest thing on Earth, but it’s not the end of the world either. And it’s a fairly progressive state.

  4. Robert,
    Do you really believe that US whites are horrifically rightwing? This 2 years after 44% of whites elected a black president. Are you being hyperbolic? Is it your opinion that white political opinion has drifted rightward since 1960?

    1. I still find that hard to believe. They’ve lost a few million over the last couple of years. Even if they are inching toward replacement level they’re not going to be growing in population—at least ethnic Russians aren’t—any time soon.

  5. It was reported on Window on Eurasia yesterday that Russia is expermenting with monoethnic and monoreligious military units.

  6. Robert,
    Often the “love it or leave it” statement is uttered stupidly, but in this case I think it was justified. Why change the racial demographics of the country because you think it will be more socialistic?
    Actually, I suspect the opposite is true — in a diverse country, the taxpaying base resists socialism because they don’t want their tax money to be redistributed to people who aren’t like them. That’s why the USA resists socialism while the more homogeneous Europe is A-OK with Social Democracy.
    I’m all in favor of Socialism in a homogeneous country. Modern American socialism is simply dysgenic handouts to increase the NW birthrate and depress the W birthrate.

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