A commenter asks why any American would be anti-Semitic 100 years ago.
A hundred years ago Jews were holed up in the ghettos of the Northeast and Eastern Europe, they had no influence whatsoever. What were the antisemites’ excuses back then?
100 years ago, there was lots of anti-Semitism in the US. That was the reason why the Ochs family bought up the New York Times and the other Galician Jews bought up Hollywood from 1890-1920. Hollywood and the US press was in the hands of virulently racist Whites, and the Jews thought that was frightening, so they conspired to buy up the media and Hollywood, monopolies which exist to this very day.
Jews don’t dig racist Whites. They figure they are going to turn on the Jews sooner or later. Recall that by 1920, the Dearborn Independent was publishing away. Ford documents how several actual Jewish conspiracies to take over Wall Street, commercial banks and investment banking were stopped dead in the water by “anti-Semitic” White Christians.
I dare say Whites were much more anti-Semitic back in those days than they are now.
100 years ago, European Jews were flooding into the US via Ellis Island. And they weren’t behaving very well either!
Anti-Semitism follows Jews like day follows night.
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Read Ginsberg’s
http://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Embrace-Jews-State/dp/022629666.
Much in here about “court Jews” influence.
Let me say right off, I believe the ancient Israelites were white, dark-white, dolichocephalic (long-skulledness is key to non-DNA-era racial classiffication. About 75% phenotypically unblended Med’s are dolichocephalic, the remainder, mesocephalic) leptomorphs of the gigantic & varied Mediterranean race that in 2000 BC occupied in the west, the Iberia Peninsula and all of super-Saharan North-Africa, on both littorals, northern and southern of the Mediterranean Sea, eastward thru pre-Indo-European Italy, Greece, the Levant, what is Saudi Arabia today, into Afghanistan and finally belending in and submerging into the Dravidian (Austronesian & “Negrito” races). This is a very brief summation, of course there were areas far to the North and South where Mediterranean man ventured. The modern-day ancestors of these doclichocephalic ancient Israelites would be the Sephardim, (Hank Azaria, Jeff Goldblum) they appear, more or less, like modern Spaniards or Portuguese, fine-features, oval-faced, skin from olive to alabaster, eyes, about 50% brown, 25% light-mixed, 25% light, blue, green, grey. As with all Med’s, there is a small minority with native blondism. They are 100% caucasion. These Sephardim are much mixed with local host-populations. The Sephardic phenotype does not fit the stereotypical, exagerrated Ashkenazic phenotype,(Mel Brooks, Stephen Spielberg, Barbara Streisand, Lev Bronstein, “Trotsky”, etc) but the Ashkenazic type is easily the most notable, almost uniquely Jewish phenotype. These people have much, much less if any DNA connection to Israel. The medieval polytheistic kingdom of Khazaria was originally a Turkic/Tartar people in southern Russia. They were fierce warriors, but around 750, with pressure from monotheists, Byzantine Christians from the west and zealots of the new Koranic faith from the south. In the kingdom, lived several thousand diaspora of Israel. The king decided to convert his whole kingdon, en masse to Talmudism/Judaism.They too are white. Originally white of the Armenoid type, short-skulled, long-faced, prominent noses are common, they are much lighter in pigment, redheads and blonds make up a huge minority, many have blue eyes and pale-white skin. White. They are much mixed. Most often, or very often in any white nation except perhaps Scandinavia or parts of the British Isles, either one of the Jewish types could easily blend in. Perhaps, it is not a racial thing. Personally, as an Indo-European of the Germanic (Lowland Scots, Anglic, Jutish), English, Anglo-Saxo-Dane with Celtic subratum, I believe that, on average, Jews are intellectually superior, on average.
Perhaps it has been your behavior, you must have done something wrong yourselves to be so universally “tormented and dispised” for well over 2000 years, by fellow ancient Middle-Easteners, pagan Romans, later by other Europeans and now, even the Latino groups you have championed don’t seem to like or trust you. http://aztlan.net/protocols.htm
Also, the NAACP was founded by mostly Jewish support Henry Moskowitz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Moskowitz.
Here’s a direct quote from Wikipedia.
“The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself. It did not elect a black president until 1975, although executive directors had been African American. The Jewish community contributed greatly to the NAACP’s founding and continued financing. Jewish historian Howard Sachar writes in his book A History of Jews in America of how, “In 1914, Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University became chairman of the NAACP and recruited for its board such Jewish leaders as Jacob Schiff, Jacob Billikopf, and Rabbi Stephen Wise.”[15] Early Jewish-American co-founders included Julius Rosenwald, Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch and Wise.
According to Pbs.org “Over the years Jews have also expressed empathy (capability to share and understand another’s emotion and feelings) with the plight of Blacks. In the early 1900s, Jewish newspapers drew parallels between the Black movement out of the South and the Jews’ escape from Egypt, pointing out that both Blacks and Jews lived in ghettos, and calling anti-Black riots in the South “pogroms”. Stressing the similarities rather than the differences between the Jewish and Black experience in America, Jewish leaders emphasized the idea that both groups would benefit the more America moved toward a society of merit, free of religious, ethnic and racial restrictions.”[16] Pbs.org further states, “The American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, and the Anti-Defamation League were central to the campaign against racial prejudice. Jews made substantial financial contributions to many civil rights organizations, including the NAACP, the Urban League, the Congress of Racial Equality, and the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee. About 50 percent of the civil rights attorneys in the South during the 1960s were Jews, as were over 50 percent of the Whites who went to Mississippi in 1964 to challenge Jim Crow Laws.”[16]
The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself. It did not elect a black president until 1975, although executive directors had been African American. The Jewish community contributed greatly to the NAACP’s founding and continued financing. Jewish historian Howard Sachar writes in his book A History of Jews in America of how, “In 1914, Professor Emeritus Joel Spingarn of Columbia University became chairman of the NAACP and recruited for its board such Jewish leaders as Jacob Schiff, Jacob Billikopf, and Rabbi Stephen Wise.”[15] Early Jewish-American co-founders included Julius Rosenwald, Lillian Wald, Rabbi Emil G. Hirsch and Wise.
According to Pbs.org “Over the years Jews have also expressed empathy (capability to share and understand another’s emotion and feelings) with the plight of Blacks. In the early 1900s, Jewish newspapers drew parallels between the Black movement out of the South and the Jews’ escape from Egypt, pointing out that both Blacks and Jews lived in ghettos, and calling anti-Black riots in the South “pogroms”. Stressing the similarities rather than the differences between the Jewish and Black experience in America, Jewish leaders emphasized the idea that both groups would benefit the more America moved toward a society of merit, free of religious, ethnic and racial restrictions.”[16] Pbs.org further states, “The American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, and the Anti-Defamation League were central to the campaign against racial prejudice. Jews made substantial financial contributions to many civil rights organizations, including the NAACP, the Urban League, the Congress of Racial Equality, and the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee. About 50 percent of the civil rights attorneys in the South during the 1960s were Jews, as were over 50 percent of the Whites who went to Mississippi in 1964 to challenge Jim Crow Laws.”[16]” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People
And the blacks today seem, just seem to be the most vocally anti-Jewish, just watch the news on the “occupy-movement”.
One hears many agry colored people denouncing Jews…
“Outside the Classroom
Just as racism has infected some academic offerings, views such as Jeffries’ and Martin’s have seeped from the classroom into the activities of everyday campus life. In speeches and newspapers on campus, Jews are portrayed by some Black activists-either students or speakers invited by student groups-as bloodsuckers, architects of the slave trade and controllers of finance and the media. And it seems that the more provocative the racist speakers become, the more they are hailed by such militant Black student groups. While the numbers of such activists are small, they often set the tone for discourse and poison intergroup relations for the vast majority of their less-active fellow students.” http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Black_student_groups.html
And perhaps you should admit the fact that the majority of Bolesheviks were ethnically Jewish and most of Lenin’s, later Stalin’s executioners, were Jewish. Sev Plocker,(http://www.proto-germanic.com/2011/10/we-mustnt-forget-that-some-of-greatest.html) a courageous Israeli Jewish journalist said that the Jews in the Soviet Union took a directpart in the killing, torture of some 22-million Soviet and nonSoviets, the vast majority of whom were Gentile, mostly Slavs of the Christian Orthodox faith. Also, the vast majority of people see what Zionist are doing now in Israel to the Palestinians, and how Israel is using the US to expand its territory under Bush’s Neocons, & continues under Obama. Seems like Israel is fully prepared to attack Iran, first strike, which could lead to Pakistan, a nuclear power attacking you, then you attack them, then everybody attacks everybody. We also hate Zionist subversion, flooding our white homelands by bribing, blackmailing or with friendly philo-Jewish politicians changing emigration policy. You must be doing something wrong, like 2000 years of Talmudic hatred towards non-Jews. I understand BOT all Jews are like this, but enough are. Google “Barbara Spectre Lerner”.
And they weren’t behaving very well either!
Anti-Semitism follows Jews like day follows night.
With regard to Jews and anti-Semitism, it’s really a question of which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Jews like to insist that they’re simply misunderstood minorities relentlessly persecuted by vicious gentiles.
At the same time, I think someone else put it brilliantly:
If a person goes to a bar and gets thrown out, then perhaps you cut that person some slack. For all we know, the bartender and other customers were assholes.
But if this person gets kicked out of bar after bar throughout the entire city, then you start to think that there’s something wrong with the person getting kicked out of the bar.
Same with Jews. Are Jews really just innocent victims, or do they in many ways ask for it?
Throughout most of my life, I agreed with the former interpretation. Now, I lean towards the latter.
“But if this person gets kicked out of bar after bar throughout the entire city, then you start to think that there’s something wrong with the person getting kicked out of the bar…”
Moron !
There is a Jewish Doctor in New York, which I will not name for reasons. He is 85 y/o, and is around 5″3. Keeps grueling schedule and works over the weekend, on many occasions he would not even charge someone who even slightly complains about monetary problems. His patients are quite diverse with many poor Latinos and Eastern European immigrants. He is of Hungarian descent and speaks with a pronounced accent, although he has been here for most of his life. His attitude never wavers even in the face of medicaid cuts and will do everything to provide his poor patients with meds that require tons of insurance approvals and countless calls which he does not have to commit. He will visit his patients in a hospital and talk to their loved ones at any time of day – when most doctors today just care about their paycheck.
On my last visit to Budapest, a local cab-driver who openly curses at anything US, even though he can’t point to it on the map and gets his bone by bringing unsuspecting sex-tourists to the services of rogue prostitutes for profit sharing. The same driver openly screams that his only desire is to knock-off a young Jew crossing a road, an identification that he makes only because of Yarmulka on the head.
So Jerk, are you going to teach me here about your experiences ?
Got a story to tell about your favorite Jew ?
Relax
He was referring to the Neocons not everyday Jews.
The Bay area guy, probably, like me knows that NOT ALL JEWS ARE STEROTYPICALLY AND MANY, MANY GREAT SCIENTIST, PHYSCIANS, HUMANITARIANS HAVE BEEN JEWS AS WELL AS THE COURAGEOUS JEWS WHO STAND UP FOR PALESTINIANS AND AGAINST ZIONISM. We are talking about the general trend of the diverse people who are today. called “Jews”.
Hey Abiezer, is it possible to get Norman Finkelstein to talk to us again?
I have some questions for him.
Based on reading/listening to his debate with James Petras among other things, I’ve come to the conclusion that while he’s a critic of Israel and some of the more unreasonable manifestations of Zionism/Jewish activism, at the same time he’s an apologist for Jewish power.
He, like Chomsky, believes that Israel and American Jews are just “going along with American interests/lackeys of American imperialism” and play little role in actually pushing negative policies.
As James Petras pointed out, the likes of Finkelstein and Chomsky have blind spots when it comes to Jewish power and influence.
Why would you even bring something like this up to him? I’m guessing your antizionist… isn’t his criticism of zionism enough for you? You also need him to bash jews? What the hell man if you want someone to criticize jewish power why don’t you go out and do it instead of pleading with some jew to do it for you. What the hell man. Seriously what the hell. Your like some creature that is never satisfied who just wants more and more and more and never is happy with what you got. If he went so far as to start bashing jews then you’d probably have a problem with that too, you’d probably say: oh well he’s jewish and he’s just bashing jews so that all jews don’t look bad. Nothing will ever be enough for you. I hate you.
I hate you.
Yeah, well fuck you too.
And by the way, it’s not like I’m begging him. I’m just curious. It’s more of a casual, “hey Abiezer, is it possible to contact Norman Finkelstein?”
If he does it, fine. If not, I’ll live.
And by the way, shithead, it’s “you’re,” not “your.” If YOU’RE going to critique me, at least use some proper fucking grammar.
By the way, I generally like Norman Finkelstein. I just think he’s blind on this particular issue. That’s all.
You, on the other hand, had to throw a little hissy fit and use various character assassinations against me even though I never said shit about you in the first place.
Fuck you very much.
BAG, your anti-Semitism is starting to piss off some commenters.
BAG, what do you expect Jews to do? They don’t want to diss their own kind. They’re ethnocentric people. You’re ethnocentric. Do you like to diss Whites? They’re just like you. You’re both ethnocentric, and neither of you likes to diss your own people.
Chomsky and Finkelstein don’t give two shits about Cultural Marxist, CRT if the Left’s War on Whites. They probably think it’s ridiculous.
Chomsky and Finkelstein don’t give two shits about Cultural Marxist, CRT if the Left’s War on Whites. They probably think it’s ridiculous
Well, if what you say is true, then I kindly withdraw my charges against them.
Although I’d hardly think that they would deem it ridiculous, being on the far left and all.
BAG, what do you expect Jews to do? They don’t want to diss their own kind. They’re ethnocentric people.
And yet so many of them feel free to constantly encourage whites to diss themselves and subscribe to self-loathing dogma.
All I know is that a lot of these Cultural Marxist types are disproportionately Jews.
So fine, they don’t have to diss their own people.
All I ask is that they stop encouraging us to do the same.
BAG, your anti-Semitism is starting to piss off some commenters.
Yeah, well I could care less. I don’t aim to please here.
And Robert, with all due respect, and I’m not trying to say this in a snide manner for the purpose of scoring cheap rhetorical points, please spare me your self-righteous “you’re so anti-Semitic!” posturing.
I can recall several times where both in the past and recently you’ve essentially agreed with a good number of my views on Jews.
The only difference is that I don’t try to disguise it with philo-Semitism or claim that I’m spiritually a Jew.
Yeah I hate when a non jew expresses his “admiration for the jewish people and all their contributions to society” because they want a promotion. Its so phony and insincere.
Just one more thing for now, Robert.
When many Jews think of anti-Semites, they are not just thinking of the David Dukes or David Irvings.
They mean ANYONE who says ANYTHING even SLIGHTLY CRITICAL about Jews.
And even if they are open philo-Semites, they’re still suspect, or frustrated Jew haters in sheep’s clothing.
In other words, you know about all that CRT “aversive racism” logic when it comes to white and black people? Well, same thing applies here with regards to “anti-Semitism.”
All I know is that no matter how much you denounce some of my arguments or how much you say you oppose racism/anti-Semitism, you’re STILL going to get called racist, fascist, anti-Semitic, etc.
Just so you know, you don’t score any points by taking me on.
With some “philo-Semites” it’s one step forward, two steps back.
I do happen to agree with Finkelstein that philo-Semites are really just Jew haters in sheep’s clothing.
To me, if someone were genuinely philo-Semitic, he wouldn’t feel the need to constantly proclaim it.
It’s overcompensation at its finest.
And just so you know, I don’t need Jews to bash Jews, so long as they’re not hostile towards us.
I don’t need Jews such as Jew Among You or Paul Gottfried to bash Jews.
However, I certainly AM going to hold left wing Jews such as Norman Finkelstein to a higher standard. Since far leftists (particularly far leftist Jews. Of course, Finkelstein doesn’t really focus on race, but that’s not the point) love to bash whites and hold us collectively responsible, then these far leftist Jews had better be equally critical of their fellow Jews and be willing to take on Jewish power.
But if you’re like JAY and you don’t bash whites or other non-Jewish groups, then there’s no need for them to bash Jews.
I just find Finkelstein’s whole “Jews are just marching step by step with American power” argument disingenuous.
Hey Bay & Area Guy,
I live in Belmont, between San Mateo and San Carlos, whereabouts are you. I used to live in the Sierras, Bass Lake, just 15 min’s from where Robert lived, in Oakhurst. I am avery good friend of his younger brother, Tom.
Robert & I don’t agree on economics and politics, but he writes a great blog.
Ken
Ginsburg’s Fatal Embrace is Jewish triumphalism at it’s best. I loved it! It’s all about climbing every mountain and breaching every barricade until America’s Jews are precision placed at every choke point in the culture, especially political culture. The book ends with the presidential election of 1992. Buchanan and David Duke have been handily beaten (whew!), but the fact they were even on the ticket isn’t a good sign and he’s not quite sure if Clinton will be as obsequious as past presidents. Not to worry. The Clinton administration turned out to be Jewier than anything that preceded it!
Science, Jews, and Secular Culture: Studies in Mid-Twentieth-Century American Intellectual History
by David A. Hollinger is another heartfelt paen to Jewish overachievment in America. http://press.princeton.edu/titles/5791.html
Included here is the story of how Felix Frankfurter and John Dewey struggled against all odds to start turning America’s Ivy league universities into communitarian yeshivas.
Jews in the higher level of the Clinton administration, 1998.04.01
Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State
Robert Rubin, Secretary of Treasury
William Cohen, Secretary of Defense
Dan Glickman, Secretary of Agriculture
Samuel Berger [“Sandy Burglar”, 9/11 Felon], Head National Security Council
Evelyn Lieberman, Deputy Chief of Staff
Stuart Eizenstat, Under Secretary of State
Charlene Barshefsky, U.S. Trade Representative
Susan Thomases, Aide to First Lady
Joel Klein, Assistant Attorney General
Gene Sperling, National Economic Council
Ira Magaziner, National Health Care
Peter Tarnoff, Deputy Secretary of State
Alice Rivlin, Ecomomic Advisory
Janet Yellen, Chairwoman, National Economic Council
Rahm Emanuel, Policy Advisor
Doug Sosnik, Counsel to President
Jim Steinberg, Deputy to National Security Chief
Jay Footlik, Special Liason to the Jewish Community (the only group with such a special liason)
Robert Nash, Personal Chief
Jane Sherburne, President’s Lawyer
Mark Penn, Asia Expert to NEC
Sandy Kristoff, Health Care Chief
Robert Boorstin, Communications Aide
Keith Boykin, Communications Aide
Jeff Eller, Special Assistant to Clinton
Tom Epstein, Health Care Adviser
Judith Feder, National Security Council
Richard Feinberg, Assistant Secretary Veterans
Hershel Gober, Food and Drug Administration
Steve Kessler, White House Counsel
Ron Klein, Assistant Secretary Education
Madeleine Kunin, Communications Aide
David Kusnet, Dept. AIDS Program
Margaret Hamburg, Dir. Press Conferences
Many Grunwald, Liason to Jewish Leaders
Karen Adler, Dir. State Dept. Policy
Samuel Lewis, National Security Council
Stanley Ross, National Security Council
Dan Schifter, Director Peace Corps.
Eli Segal, Deputy Chief of Staff
Alan Greenspan, Chairman of Federal Reserve Bank
Robert Weiner, Drug Policy Coordinator
Jack Lew, Deputy Director Management and Budget
James P. Rubin, Under Secretary of State
David Lipton, Under Secretary of The Treasury
Lanny P. Breuer, Special Counsel to The President
Richard Holbrooke, Special Representative to NATO
Kenneth Apfel, Chief of Social Security
Joel Klein, Deputy Whlte Honse Counsel
Sidney Blumenthal, Special Advisor to First Lady
David Kessler, Chief of Food & Drug Adininistration
Seth Waxman, Acting Solicitor General
Mark Penn, Presidential Pollster
Dennis Ross, Special Middle East Representative
Howard Shapiro, General Counsel for the FBI
Lanny Davis, White House Special Counsel
Sally Katzen, Secretary of Management and Budget
Kathleen Koch, Heads FBI Equal Opportunity Office
John Podesta, Deputy Chief of Staff
Alan Blinder, Vice Chairman of Federal Reserve
Janet Yellen, Heads Council of Economlc Advisors
Ron Klain, Chief of Staff for Al Gore
Clinton’s Ambassadors of Jewry, 1998.04.22
Germany: Ambassador John C. Kornblum
France: Ambassador Felix Rohatyn [Partner in the Jewish Lazard Freres investment bank]
Poland: Ambassador Daniel Fried
Denmark: Ambassador Edward E. Elson
Hungary: Ambassador Donald M. Blinken [Blinken is related to the ambassador to Belgium]
Romania: Ambassador Alfred H. Moses [At one time Romania was ruled by an all-Jewish Communist Party under Anna Pauka. Romania under communist tyranny was a supporter of The Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine, with a strong connection to the Bronfman gang. Six members of the Romanian Senate, three of them priests, objected to Clinton’s 1994 appointment of Moses because of his close connections to the Ceausescu regime.]
Belgium: Ambassador Alan J. Blinken [Antwerp, Belgium is the diamond capital of the world next to Tel Aviv. The diamond business is totally Jew-controlled. Blinken is related to the ambassador to Hungary.]
Belarus: Ambassador Kenneth S. Yalowitz
South Africa: Ambassador James A. Joseph [The Jewish Oppenheimer family controls this gold mining capital of the world.]
India: Ambassador Frank G. Wisner
Turkey: Ambassador Marc Grossman [The atheist Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was likely a Dönmeh]
New Zealand: Ambassador Josiah H. Beeman
Egypt: Ambassador Daniel C. Kurtzer
Sweden: Ambassador Thomas L. Siebert
Morocco: Ambassador Marc C. Ginsberg
Singapore: Ambassador Timothy A. Chorba
Zambia: Ambassador Arlene Render
Brazil: Ambassador Melvyn Levitsky
Bolivia: Ambassador Curt W. Kamman
Mexico: Ambassador Jeffrey Davidow
Canada: Ambassador Gordon Giffin
Cuba: US Interest Head, Michael G. Kozak
Norway: Ambassador David B. Hermelin [Michigan multi-millionaire real estate developer; president of the World Jewish ORT Union.]
Switzerland: Ambassador Madeleine M. Kunin [New York Times 1997.10.04 says she, “doggedly pursues the Swiss on the [phony] issue of gold for holocaust [sic] survivors [sic].”
Clinton Advisers: 5 [or 6] of 7 are Jewish
The Jewish Post, 1992.09.16
Of the seven advisers on whom Gov. Clinton relies, at least five are Jewish and perhaps six.
They are Robert Reich, 45, a professor of Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government; Ira Magaziner, 45, president of SJS, Inc.; Robert J. Shapiro, 42, vice president of the Progressive Policy Institute; Samuel R. Berger, 46, former deputy director of the State Department policy planning staff; and Michael Mandelbaum, 45, professor and director of American foreign policy studies at the Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University.
And here’s yet another so-called “anti-Zionist Jew” denying Jewish power.
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Anti-semitism-and-the-Israel-lobby
An excerpt.
According to Petras, it’s time to “move ahead and decolonize our country, our minds and politics as a first step in reconstituting a democratic republic, free of entangling colonial and neo-imperial alliances.” This is the same evasive, short-cutting “take back America” rhetoric that inverts the global pyramid by seeing the US as the “colonised” country. The alternative to Zionism is not Americanism, but an internationalist humanism. In US popular culture, the real obstacles to Palestinian solidarity remain white and western supremacism, the mantle Zionism wraps itself in. One reason Zionism enjoys such success in this arena is that it goes with that flow.
The Jewish vote is relatively insignificant in Britain, but British policy has been strongly pro-Israeli (sales of arms coupled with support for anti-Hamas sanctions). Other EU governments (including countries where support for Israel is a definite vote-loser) have pursued similar courses, as has the EU as a whole. What’s decisive here is not Jewish power but western power.
Once again, this whole “Jews are just lackeys of Western racism/imperialism and are just going along with the program” line. Even if Jews are bad, then they’re just mimicking their wicked goyim masters.
And yet some more denial from another anti-Zionist Jew (who is well known here for other reasons).
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/paranoidprejudice.html
So let us now dispense with the nonsense about Jewish power. For while the claim by some in the Jewish community that we are still perpetual victims of gentile persecution is also foolishly overstated, the opposite idea — that we run everything as evidenced by our “disproportionate overrepresentation” in media and finance — is nothing short of insane, even based on the “evidence” for such a claim marshaled by those who believe it.
And of course, as usual, Timmy cherry picks and ignores damning evidence of clear Jewish power.
Hey, want to know how to tick off a white bashing anti-racist who always goes on and on about “white privilege?” Start talking about Jewish power and privilege, and watch them go insane! 🙂
And yet more nonsense from Tim Wise.
Of course, in keeping with the logic of anti-Jewish bigots, perhaps one should ask the following: If media or financial wrongdoing is Jewish inspired, since Jews are prominent in media and finance, should the depredations of white Christian-dominated industries (like the tobacco or automobile industries) be viewed as examples of white Christian malfeasance? After all, 400,000 people per year die because of smoking-related illnesses, and tobacco companies withheld information on the cancerous properties of their products. Likewise, should executives at Ford and Firestone be thought of as specifically white Christian criminals, due to recent disclosures that defective tires were installed on SUV’s, resulting in the deaths of over 150 people worldwide? Is their race, religion or ethnic culture relevant to their misdeeds? If not, why is it suddenly relevant when the executives in question are Jewish?
Well obviously it’s relevant to the likes of Tim Wise, who frequently assigns collective guilt to whites, and claims that white peoples’ whiteness is the root cause of any and all pathologies displayed by whites.
Any bad thing a white person does is because of his whiteness, in his view.
And yet Jews shouldn’t be judged as Jews, but as individuals. And of course, whenever Jews do something bad or are overly successful, there’s never anything fishy involved.
So Tim here’s my question to you: If you’re willing to cut whites some slack and agree that it’s just a few bad whites and that most whites are not bad, discriminatory people and that to the extent that they are bad, their whiteness doesn’t play a role, I’ll be willing to stop assigning collective guilt to Jews.
Deal?
You see, if Jewish leftists are going to assign collective guilt to us, then we’re going to assign collective guilt to them.
In a nuthsell, if only Tim would apply that logic (which I bolded) to white people, then I would ease up on Jews.
Chomsky has more recently conceded that the Jewish Lobby in the U.S. has independently achieved more (deleterious) influence than he had previously analysed.
The “internationalist humanism” advocated by the redpepper Jewish individual of course springs from the perennial anti-national viewpoint of the ticketless cosmopolitian.
The “internationalist humanism” advocated by the redpepper Jewish individual of course springs from the perennial anti-national viewpoint of the ticketless cosmopolitian.
The Russians called them rootless cosmopolitans for a reason.
Now, I know that I’ve been rather harsh with Jews lately.
Just so you know, there are Jews that I DO like, besides Brother Nathanael and Israel Shamir.
I like these guys. True Torah Jews are fine by me. It’s the ethnic Jews who are the problem.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
How could the US be anti-Semitic 100 years ago when Jews are white themselves and Jews and leading gentile figures were members of major organisations in Europe and the US that supported mainly Jewish immigration from the Tsarist Russian government especially after the failed 1905 coup and lobbied for US to cancel trade agreements established since Russian support for Lincoln against British backed Confederacy under the pretext they would not allow Jewish Marxist revolutionaries enter Russia on US passports.
@Reality Check
Drivel comment by an idiot who didn’t even attempt to answer my question.
Jewish immigrants in the early 1900’s were more well than many jews are today. For one thing, a larger percent served in the military, the state of Israel had not been established yet so there was no dual loyalty issue, most were more religious and socially conservative than they are today. They did not attack American values until the mid twentieth century.
i think the average jew is more racist than the average white gentile. white gentiles dont go around thinking were the “chosen people”. Actually believing that god created your race as superioer is the height of racism, bigotry, and arrogance. however, im ok with non-racist jews, like my granfather.
The-fatal-embrace-jews-and-the-state
http://jewise.wordpress.com/the-fatal-embrace-jews-and-the-state/
Yes yes yes
“Jews will play a leading role in multicultural Europe”Says Jewish researcher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
I’d like to thank the Nobel Foundation for…
empowering the Jews symbolically.
Bye, bye Thor and Helga!
Bye, bye Sweden.
Bye, bye Swedes.
Bye, bye.
I’ve met two Swedes in my life, in the real world.
Both were racist fucks. And you are too, lo and behold! God have mercy on your souls. The Jews are gonna melt you like piss on snow.
LOL.
How were they racists? Explain.
It was in my youth, in the Swedish style. Prickly, more-beautiful-than-you. Oh, so wise. Obviously, that was an infinity ago. That kind of white on yellow racism is not seen anymore, at least off-internet. These days, you’d have to go to the more reactionary posters on Sailer’s site to get a taste of it. Heg is an outstanding exemplar. Shout out to you, heg.
I can’t hate Vikings too much, though. Koreans are pretty savage, like everyone else.
Sweden exported their most hostile males for centuries. There’s little Viking blood left. That’s why they’re such pussies.
My friend outted Tim Wise at a talk he gave at the University of Washington a few years ago back
when Wise was being extra circumspect about his Jewishness. This friend was in William Pierce’s NA (National Alliance) and had joined the campus Hillel for the free trip to Israel. I can’t remember which campus lecture circuit PC celebrity came to speak next, but my friend was spotted outside the auditorium with a protest sign. The Hillel rabbi spotted him going in and the jig was up.
John Murray Cuddihy’s The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Levi-Strauss and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity is an anti-Semitic classic disguised a Ph. d thesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murray_Cuddihy
Written not that long after Brooks Brothers was sold to Julius Garfinckle & Co. , the book foreshadows the the passing of the American Protestant elite whom Cuddhidy may be one of the last surviving members of along with my 97 year old father who is currently on exhibit at the Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture in Seattle.
My friend outted Tim Wise at a talk he gave at the University of Washington a few years ago back
when Wise was being extra circumspect about his Jewishness.
How exactly was he being circumspect?
Wise has been anything but circumspect about it. He’s been mentioning his Jewishness at least since White Like Me, if not before, and that was first published in 2004. My guess is that he’s used it for off-white cred his whole career. Read some of his Counterpunch articles.
My guess is that he’s used it for off-white cred his whole career.
Exactly.
When you listen to his debate with Jared Taylor and they’re discussing why blacks are so tribal, Tim Wise said (paraphrase), “subordinated groups tend to identify with that which subordinates them. For example, I’m Jewish.”
(and he goes on about how he identifies with Jewish oppression)
When he wants to act as a white insider, he calls himself white. But when he wants to show his oppression-cred and try to fit in with non-whites, he all of a sudden becomes Jewish. I think a lot of other Jews are that way, and it’s really irritating.
To Whodareswings…
when Wise was being extra circumspect about his Jewishness.
Given Tim Wise’s personality, I am disinclined to believe he has ever been circumspect about being Jewish (which in actuality.. by multiple definitions.. (Gentile mother.. non observant..) he is not. ..) As LaFleur says he wears the Jewish moniker for street cred.
Look, let me just clarify one thing. If Jews would stop promoting “diversity,” open borders, anti-white Cultural Marxism, and other anti-white movements, I wouldn’t give two shits about them or Israel.
(though I guess I would care about Israel to the extent that it screws up U.S. policy)
If they would stop producing the likes of Wise, Noel Ignatiev, Susan Sontag, the ADL and SPLC, and other leftist/multiculti organizations, I wouldn’t mind them at all.
If they would just sit down, shut up, and enjoy their money in private, I wouldn’t have hard feelings towards them.
Here’s what I don’t get about Jewish behavior with respect to anti-white Cultural Marxism. By 2030, there will be more half-Jews (mainly ones who appear phenotypically Europid) in the US than Jews. Are they just going to throw those family members to the wolves? Maybe. The Palis are descended from assimilated Jews, and we know how much they like them.
It just seems so self-destructive. Everyone who’s not white sees Jews as white. Whatever fate they have prepared for whites they will share.
Jewish behavior is often emotionally driven. Logically, it often doesn’t make sense.
Which is strange, because Jews have very high IQ’s and produce many of the world’s geniuses, and yet they can also be some of the world’s most neurotic and weird people.
Like I’ve quoted before, there’s no genius without a touch of madness.
But yeah, If Jews think that their precious non-whites will give them a pass and accept them as part of their coalition once YT goes down, they have another thing coming.
BAG
SPLC
Morris Dees is not Jewish nor was his fellow cofounder.
ADL I am not a supporter of the ADL in many cases but they are against affirmative action.
Morris Dees is not Jewish nor was his fellow cofounder.
Actually, you’re wrong.
Morris Dees’s full name is Morris SELIGMAN Dees, and his co-founder was Joseph J. LEVIN.
Those aren’t exactly Irish names.
About those Libertarians, what exactly is Murray Rothbard’s angle?
Morris Dees is not Jewish nor was his fellow cofounder.
Actually, you’re wrong.
Morris Dees’s full name is Morris SELIGMAN Dees, and his co-founder was Joseph J. LEVIN.
I’m buying Levin based on the last name alone, but pretty much every source I can find on Google claims that Dees is from a gentile family who got his Jewy name because his dad or granddad was naming him after Joseph Seligman (Jew Businessman from the 19th century).
Do you have any other sources?
David is correct… Morris Dees
“Asked about his knack for generating revenue, Dees once boasted, “I learned everything I know about hustling from the Baptist Church. Spending Sundays on those hard benches listening to the preacher pitch salvation — why, it was like getting a Ph.D. in selling.”
You can find all sorts of White Gentiles in the South with middle names like Abraham, Moses, Israel, etc.
I confused Dees first business partner Millard Fuller who went on to found “Habitat for Humanity” as being his founding partner at SPLC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_Fuller
Dees, before he realized he could make more money slinging poverty and race, (and basically after it became safe to do so…) defended a Klansman in court.
This article exposing Dees was written by a Jewish man:
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/twenty-three/tsc_20_3_silverstein.pdf
Dees is a huckster… and doesn’t want to touch the real day to day issues facing Black Americans…(Lacking of adequate public transit in his home city for example..) because it does not make him money.
Re: Rothbard
Here’s a quote:
““Liberals tend to hold the bribe-giver as somehow more reprehensible, as in some way ‘corrupting’ the taker. In that way they deny the free will and the responsibility of each individual for his own actions.”
Personal responsibility, etc.
You’d probably like this book:
Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays
http://mises.org/books/egalitarianism.pdf
Well David and Uncle Milton, I stand corrected about Dees.
Thanks for the info.
And yeah, I’m not at all surprised that the SPLC is just about making money through race hustling.
He basically makes his money from old liberals who are worried that the next Hitler will come about and start randomly gassing Jews and lynching blacks.
He doesn’t actually address any serious issues.
The question I have is what does the SPLC have to do with poverty, the law, or even the South for that matter?
Wise, Noel Ignatiev, Susan Sontag
Over represented among Libertarians also:
Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig Von Mises…
You’d probably enjoy some of Rothbard’s writing.
Thanks for the lists, links and books everyone.
Mike Marqusee is extremely patronising towards Petras: “… Petras doesn’t seem to realise that…”. Compare Petras track record of ” more than 62 books published in 29 languages, and over 600 articles in professional journals…” to Marqusee’s short list of (albeit quite good) books mostly on popular culture, the only really substantial one being ‘ Defeat from the Jaws of Victory’ about Neil Kinnock’s Labour Party; and his occasional bland pieces in the centre-left (i.e. jewish) Guardian, Red Pepper and Socialist Worker (pseudo-Trots, the biggest extra-parliamentary UK sect), and Labour Left Briefing (which was a bit better) which he edited. I sometimes wonder if he’s secret intelligence service – he seems to get more space than his record merits – but I’ve a lot of time for his wife Liz Davies who campaigns for and writes about the UK legal aid system. So, a mixed bag but not in Petras league.
But for all that, Marqusee DOES have a point (amongst all the slimy shit) in that Petras’s call for a return to an authentic American foreign policy seems totally at odds with everything else he’s written. I wonder if he’s hoping to get the attention of a part of the establishment, the military, the people who Mearsheimer and Walt, and Geoffrey Wawro, address themselves to. That seems a reasonable, practical compromise to me, since I share with him the belief that the jewish control of the USA is the biggest immediate threat to the US and the world.
But Marqusee thinks of course that nothing will do but that the US should convert to flower-power and everyone will just love each other like Marx predicted… Where have we heard this before?
re Tim Wise outting
He thinks the year year was 1999. The place was Central Washington (state) University. The ex-NA activist involved wrote this in response to a query I sent him relevant to Wise’s initial coyness about his Jewishness.
“No, it was at CWU. I led a network of students that responded to enemy propaganda presentations with event-specific leaflets. David S. was preparing for his own confrontation with Wise when, on the phone at the last minute, I went with my gut and directed him to publicly bluff a fact revelation during the Q&A. Wise bought the bluff and spilled the matzos to the crowd.”
re The Swedish Jewess crowing about multiculturalism
She’s mouthing a plan that was was drawn up at the beginning of the last century by Pan Europa poobahs like the serial Jew marrying 1/2 Japanese Austrian Count Richard Nicholas Coudenhove-Kalergi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nikolaus_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi
Wikipedia continues tweeking his entry, but you can still scroll down to the good count’s
“Views on Race and Religion” for the kicker. Sarkozy pushing the idea of patriotic race mixing in France (metissage)
http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2008/12/mtissage-now-its-obligation.html
is a manifestation of the Kalergi plan to turn Europeans into Egyptian colored global plantation slaves all watched over by Jews of loving grace.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: 200 Years Together
Four new translated to english chapters. And guess what? Jews, jews, jews, jews … and more jews all over in the Soviet state. @ Hoff
http://jewise.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-200-years-together/
HEG!
Did you vote for Swedish Democrats last Sunday?
What is that woman on? Muslims and Africans in Sweden are introducing antisemitism where it had never existed before. Look up Malmo.
Don’t you get it, though?
For Jews, the goyim (ie. white people) are the ultimate enemy.
Even if it means introducing anti-Semitic non-white groups, they will do so just to diversity previously white areas so as to undermine the goyim.
To BAG:
For Jews, the goyim (ie. white people) are the ultimate enemy.
No…. Goy or Goyim does not refer exclusively to Gentile White people…. it refers to people who are not Jewish.
Interesting, because I never really hear gentile or goyim used in reference to blacks, Hispanics, or Asians.
It’s mainly used in reference to white people.
Well, I didn’t exactly pay much attention to YOUR use of the word gentile.
But in general, that word mainly applies to whites, at least based on my observation.
in general, that word mainly applies to whites, at least based on my observation.
I think you might be mistaken in your interpretation of your observations.
Could you link to a few Jew sources or blog posts or comments online where you feel they are using the word Gentile or Goy to talk exclusively about whites?
The word gentile is often used to refer to Christians, but I’m not sure it is ever used (even informally or “among other Jews”) to mean only whites. It just means someone who isn’t in the tribe.
See my response to Uncle Milton below.
Of course there is no empirical proof and of course they don’t explicitly use gentile to refer to whites.
It’s just that I don’t really here that term in reference to blacks, Hispanics, or Asians.
*hear*
To Who Dare Swings:
He thinks the year year was 1999. The place was Central Washington (state) University. The ex-NA activist involved wrote this in response to a query I sent him relevant to Wise’s initial coyness about his Jewishness.
Well supposedly it was known that he claimed that he was Jewish one year earlier:
“”People like Tim Wise are anti-white hate merchants…carefully selected as a front man by the Jewish deception engineers…He appears to be just another white male…But Tim Wise is a member of that very special nation–the nation/religion/race which owns virtually the entire media of the Western world.”–From fliers of the neo-Nazi Euro-American Student Union, distributed during Wise speeches in Washington State, 10/98″
So I am not buying his coyness about being (allegedly..) Jewish. I can tell you from personal experience (since I almost the same ethnic background… Jewish father/Scottish Gentile Mother..) that many Jews would not consider me nor Tim Wise, Jewish. Hence, perhaps, his so called coyness. Not because he is hiding that he is Jewish but simply because to state so would be false.
To BAG:
Interesting, because I never really hear gentile or goyim used in reference to blacks, Hispanics, or Asians. It’s mainly used in reference to white people.
Who is using the term then…?
I think the majority of Jews in the US and the majority of Gentile Whites consider Jews White (albeit there are some Jewish Blacks, Latinos, and Asians through conversion and adoption.. or who had a Jewish mother and father from some other race….) so I suspect that if someone is using the term in such a fashion.. by saying for example….. Asians, Latinos, Blacks, and Gentiles.. they are just being sloppy (or possibly ignorant) since Gentile covers all non-Jews. Personally I prefer using the term Gentile over goy or goyim . David or Olive could probably add more real world info.. since I am on the periphery of Jewish culture.
To BAG:
But in general, that word (Gentile..) mainly applies to whites, at least based on my observation.
In verbal or online discussions, or in the media…? Who is using that term in that manner..? (Gentile or goy…?)
Okay, do I have 100% empirical proof? No.
But…It just seems that there would be no need for Jews to call blacks or Hispanics gentiles, since their obvious racial differences could be used for purposes of identifications.
To distinguish themselves from whites, I guess they use the term gentile.
At least according to Brother Nathanael (who I acknowledge can be a bit loony and inaccurate at times), who grew up Jewish, says that whites are who they mean when they say gentile or goyim.
Reading between the lines, I gather that you believe Jews think of themselves as white. Otherwise they could just use the term “white” for the gentile white category, right? This is in contrast to your other statements, where you imply that Jews don’t think of themselves as whites.
Hmm, I see that you carefully read what I say. For that I must commend you.
Now, to address your argument.
You see, I think that Jews like to think of themselves as having a very flexible identity. When they want to be part of the white club, they’re white. But when they want to claim oppression or greater morality, they all of a sudden start flaunting their Jewishness.
It’s like they shift between white and minority frequently.
I guess when trying to fit-in with the white club, they use the term gentile to distinguish themselves from “other whites.”
My theory is that even though Jews are white (based on appearance), they aren’t white white, like me.
There’s just something different about them.
Now the likes of Jew Among You, Paul Gottfried, and Brother Nathanael, on the other hand, are simply white in my book.
They’ve earned it!
>Okay, do I have 100% empirical proof? No.
Go to 3:30 of this video:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-24-2009/unusual-suspect?videoId=219482
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
My computer’s having trouble getting the video to work, but I’m guessing it’s meant to be an insult.
Look, this is just a hunch on my part. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not claiming to be an expert in this regard.
This is just my hunch. That is all.
It’s not really intended as an insult, it’s just a funny video clip that you reminded me of when you said the empirical thing. It’s from Pastor Manning’s interview on the Daily Show, if you watched that episode.
Nah, I didn’t watch that episode.
But I know that James David Manning is one crazy yet hilarious SOB!
Now if you were trying to compare me to Pastor Manning, that wouldn’t be cool! 😉
As I’ve pointed out, I recognize that Bro Nathanael’s a bit loony and says some factually inaccurate things every now and then.
But his personal story about being born and raised Jewish is interesting, particularly the hostility that greeted him when he expressed Christian sentiments.
Besides, the guy’s simply entertaining! How could one not pay attention to him? 😉
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykeGTKLaYA&feature=related
I love Brother Nathaniel!
while those of us whose parents put up Christmas trees, let us watch Christian TV programs, bought us Bibles, took us to visit churches (no spitting was involved, sorry to disappoint) get dismissed as dishonest professional Zionist Super-Jews. Funny that.
You’re telling me that your parents put up Christmas trees, bought you bibles, and took you to churches?
Interesting.
While Brother Nathanael’s story is slightly fishy, I do think that there’s a tendency for kids to rebel against the tendencies of their parents.
For Brother Nathanael (born and raised by super Jews), that means becoming a Christian and disparaging Jews.
Why would your parents have erected a Christmas tree?
Just wondering.
Hmm, I didn’t know that you were originally from the USSR.
You know Reality Check, you’re all right. Sure, we disagree on the Jewish question, but you’re pretty civil about your disagreements.
What’s interesting is that from a purely religious standpoint, Easter, and not Christmas, should be the most sacred holiday.
People could give two shits about Christmas. They just want the presents.
At the risk of loosing my good standing amoungst the anti-semitic community. I’d like to offer my opinion that most Jews like most everyone else are basically good people. Organized Jewery and its relationship with banksters and politicians is another matter.
I don’t know the solution, to the Jewish question, but I do know that holding the community collectively responsible for the crimes of there elite, has never worked out well in the past, and is not fair to the good Jews. We all know there are good Jews besided those who write negative things about Jewery.
I take this to mean that you can’t provide even one example of a Jew using the words Gentile or Goy to refer exclusively to White Gentiles.
The problem is that it’s almost impossible to “prove” that sort of thing, unless you can read minds.
All I know is that I haven’t really heard it used in reference to Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, Asians, etc.
I’m going to leave it at that.
It looks like you are sufferering from cognitive dissonance, which you are projecting onto Jews.
Oh, brother. If only I had a Quarter for every time somebody used the whole “projection attack” (ie. you’re just projecting your own feelings onto other people).
I’m hard-pressed to find ANY WN who says “gentile.” They make the division between white and Jew, not Jew and gentile.
Well, perhaps I am falling victim to the base rate fallacy. I guess in this country, one is innocent until proven guilty. Likewise, in an intellectual sense, I have the burden of proof.
Fair enough. Until I come up with further proof, I’ll concede the argument. Right now I’m just going with perception, which I guess falls into the base rate fallacy, so I’ll concede.
To Uncle Milton
It’s who+dares+wings not “Who Dares Swings.” Tim Wise is a cookie cutter Marxist agitator whose “white guilt” and “white privilege” message doesn’t float with racially aware Euro-Americans. Sing along with me now. “All we are asking…..is leave us alone. “