A commenter, John UK, attempted to defend the fascist and ultranationalist nature of the Chinese and Russian states on the grounds that they are fighting US imperialism. Whether they are or not is not particularly relevant. Anyway, why are Chinese ultra-sweatshops better than US imperialism?
These days both China and Russia are essentially fascist states. Putin smells like a fascist! He even has some fascist “youth league” where they go to these Hitler Youth type “summer camps” where they learn to attack Putin’s enemies – journalists, human rights groups, basically liberal society. He encourages his fascist youth group to “make lots of babies.” That’s natalism. Fascists are natalists. Natalism is not progressive. It’s fascist.
The youth group is even called Nashi. You know? Nashi? What does that sound like? Sounds like Nazi huh? There’s no way that’s an accident.
Putin’s shock troops serve the billionaire elite. The billionaires run their own private armies, like Mafias or death squads. They do whatever they want. When citizens protest their latest plans, like confiscating 10,000 acres for their development scheme, Putin calls his KGB style shock troops out to attack the people, Latin American style. Putin has his critics, like journalists, murdered on a regular basis. He shuts down opposition TV, radio and papers. He has committed genocide in the Caucasus for years now.
I support the armed secessionists in the Caucasus to the hilt. They certainly have a right to self-determination.
I appreciate that Putin is a nationalist and he stands up for his people and takes on US and NATO imperialism, but he’s a fascist nevertheless.
China seems to have abandoned socialism in favor of a form of 19th Century Industrial Revolution capitalism that kills at least 600,000 Chinese a year through overwork alone. It’s basically a murderous and even genocidal state, like a typical 3rd World capitalist state such as India. Mao was always a nationalist, and he always had fascist leanings. He treated the Tibetans horribly. Other minorities were terribly abused during the Cultural Revolution.
The Chinese have now replaced socialism with a particularly virulent type of Chinese ultranationalism with some really scary, fascist-like undertones. It’s sickening and downright frightening the way the PRC keeps threatening Taiwan. Isn’t it clear that they will never allow a free Taiwan to exist?
The Han invasions, riots and pogroms in Xinjiang recently reminded me of Kristallnact. The Han invasions and repression of the Tibetans are disgusting and ought to embarass any so-called progressive regime. Shame on them.
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Rob, you do realize that Russia and China are under constant geopolitical pressure and threats from Uncle Sam right? Do you expect Russia and China to let their minority regions go free so that NATO and US imperialism can fill the vacuum?
It’s a problem. They could do it slowly, with military agreements to keep bases there and treaties said that they had to be allies. Russia could keep bases in the Caucasus and China could keep bases in Tibet. They could make them sign treaties promising to be allies, like the CIS.
I agree that imperialist threats fuck up everything. That’s why states don’t want to let secessionists go, because imperialist assholes like the US are always trying to break up rival states. Why let a region go, if the US imperialist enemy is going to take it over and use it to screw you over.
So why are you critiquing Russia and China doing what they have to do to survive in a hostile, competitive environment?
Fascism’s shit. Anyway, Russia could let the Caucasus go, with good treaties and lots of bases, economic agreements and whatnot. They won’t line up with NATO or the West. They’re Muslims. They’re just be another Muslim country in the region like Turkey or Iran.
Anyway, it doesn’t make sense. Russia’s already supporting secessionism of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
The USSR broke up and it wasn’t the end of the world. Most of those former USSR republics are now more or less aligned with Russia. Georgia’s the only one that’s gone over. The rest have excellent military and economic agreements with Russia.
Also, Putin is repressing his own minorities like all fascists do. Read up on how he’s been treating the poor Mari people. It’s sickening.
The USSR shed about 30% of its territory. What happened. Did the sky fall in? So what happens if they shed the Caucasus. It’s not even 5% of Russia. Anyway, no other part of Russia wants to leave, so there’s no slippery slope thing.
What makes you think it is only Georgia that switched sides? The 5 Central Asian stans have also been toadying up to NATO.
What makes you think it is only Georgia that switched sides? The 5 Central Asian stans have also been toadying up to NATO.
Not really. They have deep ties to Russia. Russia has bases there too you know. And they have deep economic ties to Russia, especially regarding oil and gas. But it’s pretty sickening the way US imperialism is trying to hone in on those states and steal them away from Russia.
Speaking of Georgia, do the Georgians cluster with Europeans or are they more Near Eastern? They look like lighter-skinned Turks if you ask me.
Don’t know. Their genes are very, very different. Everyone in the Caucasus is like that.
If you search Georgians in Google Image, it’s striking how similar they look to Ashkenazi jews.
Clearly Robert Lindsay does not have a clue about Russia or China.
I don’t think you have a clue about what fascism actually is, in fact you seem to support fascism minority groups against the majority
I think Lindsay is a Trotskyite, the old left guard before they took up the mantle of Neo-Conservatism.
“Putin smells like a fascist! He even has some fascist “youth league” where they go to these Hitler Youth type “summer camps” where they learn to attack Putin’s enemies – journalists, human rights groups, basically liberal society.”
You should attach phoney in front of each of them all of which are financed, supported and trained by Soros, the British Foreign Office and the CIA mainly through NED.
Remember the rock spy scandal?
“The youth group is even called Nashi. You know? Nashi? What does that sound like? Sounds like Nazi huh? There’s no way that’s an accident.”
Wow it sounds like Nazi although most of the groups Putin prosecuted are Neo-Nazi groups and western support groups in Russia’s near abroad are all WW2 Nazi organisations in the Baltics, Belarus and Ukraine.
I don’t speak or read Russian so I don’t know what the Nashi actually is supposed to be a reference for.
And Nashi like Putins United Russia party is into promoting multi-culturalism and diversity which has everybody in it Muslim, Orthodox Christians, Jews, etc which was created to offshoot western fascist youth organisations like Soros Oborona whose youth organizations Otpor in Serbia, Kmara in Georgia, Pora! in Ukraine and KelKel in Kyrgyzstan working with the US and British Embassies and various front NGO’s were used to overthrow the governments all of which have been spectacular failures.
“Putin’s shock troops serve the billionaire elite. The billionaires run their own private armies, like Mafias or death squads. They do whatever they want.”
No he has prosecuted or exiled the billionaire elite and the ones remaining he is trying to make deals to sell their assets to state aligned firms before they can take their assets abroad which they have banks held in British offshore tax havens outside of Russian control.
And there militia/private army are Chechen lead terrorist groups trained in Khattabs camps in Chechnya and Dagestan.
“When citizens protest their latest plans, like confiscating 10,000 acres for their development scheme, Putin calls his KGB style shock troops out to attack the people, Latin American style.”
Putin “old KGB” guards do not seize acres of land.
“Putin has his critics, like journalists, murdered on a regular basis”
No he doesn’t if fact in all the cases in which journalists have been killed apart from one who’s work is biased and based on sources financed by Soros and the CIA through NED.
Journalist are killed by reporting issues unrelated to Putin like organized crime and corruption in fact under Putin the number of journalist killed has decreased by almost half than that under Yeltsin rule.
“He shuts down opposition TV, radio and papers”.
Which was controlled by 2 Russian Jewish Israeli Oligarchs who robbed the country blind and committing genocide against the Russian people for as decade linked to organized crime and conspired with Chechen terrorist to destroy Russia.
In fact the entire Russian economy, media, banks, etc where in control of a handful of western aligned Jewish Israeli Oligarchs aligned with organized crime with the country run by predominantly Russian Jewish and Chechen mafia.
Berezovsky who Forbes Russian editor Kleibnakov and Putin supporter wrote a book during the 90’s about how he acquired his wealth through murder, blackmail and organized crime and Chechen mafia/terrorist groups who was killed in Moscow still finances political opposition parties in Russia like the National Bolsheviks and media outlets like the Kommersant newspaper.
“He has committed genocide in the Caucasus for years now.”
Putin is committing genocide in the Caucasus? LOL!
Is that why half the population of Chechnya lives in Russia proper with free housing and benefits as well as in Chechnya itself, has a constant population increase which has tripled since the 89 and 2001 census that at a time when the general ethnic Russian population suffered a mass population decline.
It is the Chechens who through there covert support by western intelligence and there proxy Georgian, Azerbaijan, Pakistani, Saudi and Middle East vassals with the main support coming from Turkey who have committed a genocide against the ethnic Russian and non-Chechen population aligned with “Russian” mafia as a safe haven for organised crime and international terrorism in Russia.
The entire ethnic Russian Tesek population which has always been there has been ethnically cleansed from the region 200,000-300,000 people.
They have all the major organised crime units in Russia’s major cities and regions and are involved in trafficking Afghan heroin into Russia and the international sex slave industry.
The so called Al Qaeda, a totally fake organisation attacks are offshoots of this Balkans-Chechen-Eurasian network. Even the 9/11 commission report said that Atta and the other hijackers were originally recruited to fight in Chechnya.
All the Chechens propaganda outlets, media, research, “human rights” groups, NGO’s, lobby groups, etc are financed and supported by CIA, Soros and western intelligence with the same bogus propaganda and the same core organisations that were involved in the Balkans which has since been totally debunked.
After the collapse of the USSR your Chechen heroes lead by the fascist military leader started a campaign of mass rape ethnic cleansing, kidnapping, murder and torture who wanted not just Chechnya which was never an independent country but also neighbouring Ingushetia.
Northern Chechnya is historical Tesek Cossack territory and was only incorporated into Chechnya during the late 50’s/60’s under Khrushchev’s anti-Stalinist/Russian drive.
In fact the Chechens a group of tribal clans were used for about a hundred years as slave raiders and traders male for labour and female for the slave trade for the Ottoman Empire. The same thing continues today with the Chechens involved in the slave trade to Europe with their connections to the KLA and the Middle East.
After the first war which they engineered they started immediately running and training in camps in Afghanistan fighting with the Taliban, Turkey and the North Caucasus preparing for the second war while conducting every conceivable criminal act in Russia which they launched in 99 invading the neighbouring Dagestan republic which they killed about 2,000 people and left 35,000 homeless and neglecting the request by then PM Putin to shutdown the camps, renounce the massacre and deny Basayeav and Khattab who lead the assault passage and safe haven back to Grozny.
As for China who owns the factories multi-national corporations or the Chinese state?
It should be noted that John UK’s “National Bolshevik Party” is the heretical collaborative
Limonov entity, abandoned by Dugin and orthodox NB’s many of whom formed the National Bolshevik Front.
Will America ever stop kissing Jewish ass? I read an article where a man in America was recently jailed for naming his son Hitler. That’s a disgrace.
“The Han invasions, riots and pogroms in Xinjiang recently reminded me of Kristallnact. The Han invasions and repression of the Tibetans are disgusting and ought to embarass any so-called progressive regime. Shame on them.”
Actually it was an organised pogrom against the Han Chinese in Xinjing instigated by Islamists linked to Turkish and German intelligence which was instigated by German Turks who massacred over a hundred Han Chinese in the region.
And the Xinjing region is another CIA/Turkish/western intelligence jihadist proxy war front like in the Caucasus and Central Asia in CIA/Pakistani ISI run Islamic training camps in Afghanistan whose organisations are on the payroll of CIA and other intelligence through NED.
As for Tibet the number given in CIA instigated and trained uprisings have been grossly inflated and the ruling regime there before China entered the region ran the most oppressed regime in history where a handful of families controlled the region and the rest were slaves which included tortures like eye gouging and other forms of mutilation.
Also mention his support for the Nazis and best friends with Austrian Nazi Bruno Beger.