A commenter who lives in LA, says why he hates Fresno:
First off the weather. It’s very hot in the summer. And then in the winter you have all this fog. I’ve driven though the valley before and been in a continuous blanket of unending gray for 4 hours on end. I mean I couldn’t see more than about half a block in front of me. It really depressed my mood. Fog does that to me.
Secondly, it feels more like rural Texas than California. Both in politics and general way of life.
There are no real attractions anywhere in the valley. Other than escaping to the Sierras. There’s just nothing to see or do whatsoever. The countryside itself isn’t even beautiful, it’s just endless flatness. I don’t think anybody moves to the central valley because they want to. It’s mainly because they are priced out of L.A. and S.F. But I guess if you grow up there or have been there long enough, it’s fine enough.
Yes, the weather is pretty bad, but we get along.
The part about rural Texas is true, but I kind of like these salt of the Earth types around here. I had quite enough of bourgeois SWPL idiots and hard rightwingers in LA and Orange County.
In my comments below, I refer to the entire Los Angeles – Orange County metropolitan area. I don’t know about the Inland Empire. I spent a lot of time there, but I’m not sure how I feel about it. The San Gabriel and San Fernando Valleys are just LA anymore. I did used to love the San Gabriel Mountains though. I often went hiking there, especially around Mount Baldy. 20 years ago, incredibly, you could hike all day and barely see one other human being, 1 1/2 hours out of LA.
The comment about pricing is the classic bourgeois attitude about LA. It’s the land of the rich, baby! Well, whoop tee fuckin doo.
And this was one reason why I left. If you want to date a woman, she needs to know your income and your net worth. Women were trying to fix me up, but they kept telling me I did not make enough money for their grasping bourgeois friends. The Bay Area is much the same. In Orange County in 1990, it seemed like you needed to make ~60,000 a year in my crowd to be taken seriously by women. I was making $20-23 an hour working three different part-time jobs and my friends kept insulting me and telling me I wasn’t making enough money.
This bourgeois life is really frustrating. I’m glad I’ve just dropped out of it forever.
What the fuck is there to see in LA? It’s a gigantic city with millions of humans and their habitations in all directions forever. You call that scenery? What the Hell is so beautiful about that? It’s crap. The countryside in the Valley is a trip, if you don’t mind farms.
Around here though, you start driving east, and in 15 minutes you are out of the farms and into the rolling foothills, ranching lands, small streams, rivers, and vernal pools. There are coyotes, ground squirrels and hawks all over the place. It’s actually a trip. You go just a bit further, and you are into the Sierra foothills. I go through the foothills all the time.
What exactly is there “to see or do” in LA? Can someone enlighten me?
L.A.’s crap. The traffic never even ends now. The morning rush starts at 5 AM and goes until about 11:30 AM. There is a brief break, and then the evening rush starts at 2:30 PM and goes until after 8 PM. To get anywhere, it seems like you need to get on a freeway, and once you get on a freeway, it seems like the trip is going to take 30 minutes.
Plus the rent and housing prices are insane. Rent in Orange County is probably around $1000/month minimum. I know people who pay ~$2000 for a not particularly impressive apartment. That’s simply insane.
You need to be making so much money just to even survive in that region.
There are non-Whites everywhere, and if you are White, you feel like an endangered species.
Orange County now looks frighteningly like a 3rd World city like Lima or Manila. It’s really scary. I was in Garden Grove, and there was this multiracial bourgeois elite at my hotel, working for corporations, mostly yuppie Vietnamese, Koreans, Blacks and Whites with tons, I mean tons of money.
I went outside my hotel and started walking around, and it was depressing. There were some old White bars from the old White working class Garden Grove, but most of it was non-White. I went into store after store where there were no Whites. One store would be all Thais. The next would be all Viets. Another would be all Chinese. Many others would be some kind of Hipsanic. Often a lot of the folks in there didn’t even seem to speak English, and they acted hostile towards me, like I was an alien.
I went to eat in a Denny’s and there was the old Garden Grove working class serving me at my table, looking more wasted, burned out and beaten down than I’ve ever seen them. I don’t even know how they survive.
A drive along Garden Grove Boulevard feels like a teeming and impoverished Third World. A few blocks away is the elite sunning by the pools of their fancy hotels.
We went for a drive to Irvine for a wedding. We passed through Santa Ana along the way, and it was horrible. Nothing but the worst Mexico for miles and miles, all signs in Spanish, poverty, garage sales, clothes on lines.
We made it to the fancy restaurant, and it was full of these yuppie Whites who were positively swimming in money. I mean big bucks upper middle class here, smiling and happy and ordering kill your wallet drinks. The wedding was full of Viets and Whites. A lot of the Whites were physicians. The Viet girls were all trying to marry White physicians and attorneys. No other White men need apply. The wedding could not have been over soon enough.
I got out of LA 20 years ago, and I have not looked back. I went back once in 1992 and again in 2005. Both times I was sorry. I would not mind if I never set foot in LA again.
The project to create this insane gap between the haves and have-nots has been ongoing now for 30 years at least, with the full support of both the Republican and Democratic Parties, including Obama’s Administration.
The opposition to Obama is nuts. He’s not a socialist or Communist at all. He’s actually sort of a rightwinger.
Like the Republicans, Obama is totally controlled by finance capital. Everything for finance capital and their allies and nothing for anybody else. Or better yet, take from the the bottom 80% and give to the top 20%. Most of Obama’s advisors are millionaires, and they represent their class interests well.
The only difference is that while continuing the wild wealth redistribution project (as their class benefits), the Obama Democrats to believe in safety net retention or even possibly expansion. That’s at the same time that they are impoverishing us by taking from us to give to them. So they’re really limousine liberals. That’s marginally better than the Democrats, but not much.
The Tea Party loons and the entire Right in the US is for the top 20% and against the bottom 80%. Tea Partiers are part of a bourgeois wealth destribution project – the Tea Partiers are rallying for wealth redistribution from working class people to upper middle class Whites. This is populism? Furthermore, the Tea Partiers are the fake populist wing of financial capital and ruling class in the US.
After that trip to Orange County five years ago, what I saw reminded me of Jakarta, Mumbai, La Paz, Quito, Rio or Bogota. This isn’t going to work. Long-term, it looks like a revolutionary situation of some sort.
There’s no way around it; history has a logic that cannot be defied or terminated no matter how many Berlin Walls fall.