I cut out some of the more egregious and nonsensical Zionist propaganda here. You have to admit there is a lot of truth is this bit of Zionist propaganda. I don’t like Zionism one bit. It’s a ridiculous settler-colonial project that the civilized world has given up on 100 years ago. The main problem is that the Arabs and Muslims, while obviously the victims of this settler-colonial aggression, often act like such shits that it’s hard to side with them over the Zionists. You really ought to seize the moral high ground in a war.
The mass movement of Muslims into Europe has been a catastrophe all around. Europe needs to start limiting the number of Muslims moving there, imposing some restrictions on them, demanding that they assimilate before being given citizenship, etc. There are all sorts of things that could be done. Main thing is to quit making it worse. If you’re in a hole, quit digging. Many Muslims in Europe seem to be refusing to assimilate to modern Western Europe. This is unacceptable. Immigrants must assimilate.
Furthermore, in general, Europe’s Muslims appear reactionary in the sense that they reject modernism in Europe and wish to turn back the clock. This is unacceptable. Europe is part of the modern, Judeo-Christian secular Western project. Islam seems to reject this project in its entirety. That’s not a problem if they want to sit over in their sandboxes and reject modernism, but if they need to Europe, they need to embrace modernism, grin and bear it and shut up about it, or take off back to their sandboxes.
A lot Left Anti-Zionists are actually anti-Semites. They support Islam in Europe and elsewhere because it’s the front line in the war against the Jews, oh, I’m sorry, I mean the Zionists. This is ridiculous. Talk to the Arabs and Muslim Left about how progressive Islamists are.
A lot of White nationalists are behind the Islamists too for the same reason. They’re the leading edge of the anti-Jewish, I mean anti-Zionist (!) resistance battalions. Nonsense. How would these White nationalists like it if huge numbers of these wonderful Muslims moved in next door to them. Mass Muslim immigration has not proven beneficial to Western White states.
The Nobel Prizes list is most interesting. I so want to be a Jew! Otto Weinberger must have been wrong. It’s not true at all that Jews lack the capacity for genius. That’s ridiculous. I don’t know what was wrong with Weinberger, maybe he was just another self-hating Jew. He wouldn’t have been the first.
All European Life Died at Auschwitz
By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez
I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz….We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.
The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.
And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance and lastly, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.
They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the Third World, drowning in filth and crime.
Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.
And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.
We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, a people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.
What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.
Nobel Prizes, Jewish and Muslim
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1.2 billion or 20% of the world’s population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1988 – Najib Mahfouz
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 – Elias James Corey
1994 – Yaser Arafat
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is 14 million or about 0.3% of the world’s population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gellmann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marc us
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Ben Acerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1996 – Lu Rose Iacovino
Jews Versus Muslims
The Jews are not brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is not one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is not a single Jew who protests by killing people.
The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor do they have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask what can they do for humankind before they demand that humankind respect them.
General Eisenhower Warned Us
It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.
He did this because he said in words to this effect:
Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.
Recently, the UK debated whether to remove the Holocaust from its school curriculum because it ‘offends’ the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the 6 million Jews, 27 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated while the German people looked the other way.
Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be a myth, it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.
How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center never happened because it offends some Muslim in the United States?
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Europe is part of the modern, Judeo-Christian secular Western project.
Europe is part of the secular Western project, yes (so is Turkey by the way). I’m not sure what this “Judeo-Christian secular” project you’re talking about is, though. Is it some sort of self-refuting ideological vortex?
Judeo-Christian culture in Europe led the way to secularism. Particularly Christian culture. The religion is Jewish and Christians and so is the culture, but Europe is a secularized version of Judeo-Christian culture. The basic values of the culture are Jewish and Christian, let’s face it. It’s just that folks have gotten a lot less religious is all. Islam and Hinduism could not have created modern Western secular culture. Could not have happened. Think about it.
Both Islam and Judaism are Semitic Middle Eastern religions.
Then why not just call Europe a “Jewish Culture?” Christianity had absolutely zero to do with Europe’s success in the last 500 years, and in fact did everything imaginable to retard that progress. There is nothing particularly “Christian” about Europe now, and it’s technological development was separate and by coincidence. Europe would have most likely developed on a similar path, regardless of faith in most cases.
Attaching Christianity to European cultural and scientific success, does a great disservice to Europe and it’s history. It also gives a stupid religion like Christianity credit for something it in effect attempted to thwart.
A lot of goyim wish they were Jewish. 🙂
Yes, Jewish people have a lot to be proud of. All they need to do now is to stop the apartheid in Israel/Palestine.
Honestly, if the current crazed Zionist psychos currently in power(In Israel, and U.S Neo-Cons alike) could be brought to reign, a lot of the negative anti-Jewish propaganda will have lost it’s clout.
After all, what is some freak like Ahmadinejad supposed to rally the Arab world against, when Palestinians, Israelis, Lebanese and Syrians are all “friends?”
They fix that, and they fix a lot. Not just for themselves, but for everyone.
Rob, what the fuck is “Judeo-Christian”? What’s call Judaism is based much more on the Talmud and the Kaballah than on the Old Testament. The Talmud has got to be the most anti-Christian, Jewish supremacist text ever.
The Talmud has got to be the most anti-Christian, Jewish supremacist text ever.
lol, I guess. It’s not like many Jews give a fuck about the Talmud anymore, though. Like 40% of Jews in Israel are Atheist, another 20% don’t practice. The only Talmud Jews left in Israel are the Haredim and Religious Zionists (settlers). Combined they aren’t even 30% of the population. Most secular Israelis consider them kind of annoying and a leech on the state.
Even if they are secular and don’t read the Talmud, you can’t deny the strong influence of this evil text on Jewish behavior and culture. For example, usury is forbidden between Jews, but financially swindling the goyim is A-OK!
And Jesus Christ is a bastard who is burning in hot semen!
Huh? Israelis are burning people in vats of hot semen now? I never read about this in the Jew York Times. Typical Sulzberger Jew reporting.
It’s a passage in the Talmud.
Oh, cool. What passage is it?
Talmud, Gittin 57a
He’s right. It’s in there. But I’ve known many Jews in my life, and almost all of them have not read the Talmud. Not only that, but they don’t even know what’s in it. I tell them about this sick and evil stuff in there and they get all upset and don’t believe me. Bottom line is that yeah there is sick and evil stuff in the Talmud from my POV, but most Jews are not even aware of it, so it’s not relevant to their lives. It might be relevant to the lives of Orthodox Jews though. But 90% of US Jews are not Orthodox.
Most Jews I’ve met have never even heard of that stuff about how it’s ok to rip off Gentiles. They are outraged, and they think it sucks.
So let’s stop treating every Jew like they are a rabbinical scholar.
Robert has a point. By comparison, no one in my family, coming from an “Islamic Country,” had ever heard of the term “Sharia Law.” Until they came to the U.S, that is…
Only religious fanatics actually ever care to really read the books.
The base culture of Europe is both Jewish and Christian. One religion grew out of the other. The Jews were the trunk and the Christians were the tree.
Was the base culture of Europe Islamic, Hindu or Buddhist or anything other than Jewish and Christian? No.
End of discussion.
Except European culture was not any more “Jewish” than say Middle Eastern culture was. The term “Judeo-Christian” has always bothered me, and it is a term generally used by Evangelical Christians and various other right-wing reactionaries to rehash history. It is as absurd as saying “Judeo-Islamic,” if not actually more so.
If anything, we ought to label European culture as Greco-Roman, because that is what it really is.
You said you were an Iranian Turk right? So you’re heritage is Anatolian Turk from Iran?
No Fpy3p, I’m not aware of any family of mine having any origins on the Anatolian Peninsula, or what is now modern day Turkey.
Are you Azeri Iranians, or Iranians who were living in Turkey? I’m not quite getting this.
Robert, Iranian Azeri and Turkoman(aka Turkmen). As in from Iran. Though, the Turkoman aspect had been heavily “Azerified.” So, Azeri it is. 🙂
I like Turkey a lot, and the Turkish people are really friendly, but I have no connection to the country, by family or otherwise. I actually don’t know much about the place, beyond my experiences as a tourist. Great food, and I love the women and Raki(Ouzo in Greece).
Funny story, since you brought it up.
Turkey, at least up until very recently, tried to pass itself off as the “Israel” of all “Turks,” i.e all “Turkic peoples.” Their definition of Turk was really loose. Really loose. Maybe they were influenced by Zionism to some extent. 😀
I was told Istanbul would have offered me a chance at Turkish citizenship, should I ever want the “honor.” Ironically, Iran would not, where my family is actually from. Something to do with some aspect of Sharia law. Go figure. Not that I would ever want that either, of course.
I heard, since the “new government” has come to power in Turkey, that this is no longer the case. They only care about be “Muslim.” Shocking, eh?
Europeans used to keep Jews in ghettos, restricted their rights, etc. To say Europe has Jewish roots is ludicrous. They had to put up with the Jews who never assimilated, always maintained their separateness as they do today in the USA, self-segregating into a small number of cities, urban neighborhoods, and suburban locales and school systems.
Rob, you obviously don’t know much about white nationalists. They don’t actually want Muslims moving to Europe and America, but they support them against Zionist murder and aggression.
Well, the white nationalists have a pathological hatred of all things Jewish. The Current Arab world, and the greater Muslim world, have Israel on their shit list. The white nationalists don’t like the Arabs and “Muslims,” and call them “muds” or something. They hate the Jews even more, and the Arabs and Muslims are fighting with, and occasionally even killing Jews. Only Israelis of course, but Jews none the less. Sort of the enemy of my enemy may not be my friend, but still has a use. Or, so I’ve gathered.
As much as I dislike Islam(read hate), I find your list(s) perplexing. You are making the same mistake I see on a daily basis from just about every ideological direction. The very notion of “Muslims” as some kind of united people holds no water. Muslims are not an ethnic group. There simply is no “Muslim World” from which they originated. It is a myth, and unfortunately a self-fulfilling one at that. A myth that both western reactionaries and Muslim ideologues wish to be true. Both imagine a united “Muslim People” to rally for or against. It will never happen, and in fact only existed for perhaps the first century of Islam’s existence.
Islam is an “ism.” An ideology. An idea. A thought process, and like most religions, a mental illness. The problem is, ideas can be very dangerous, regardless of their stupidity.
Judaism is the religion of a people. The Jewish people. Especially in the European context, where the overwhelming vast majority of Jewish folks you listed originated from. European Jews benefited, and helped to mend European culture. You refer to it as “Judeo-Christian” culture, but that term is meaningless to me. It would be better described as “Judeo-European” culture. Christianity is an “ism” as well, just like Islam, and potentially as retarding and damaging by most metrics.
One can be an atheist, and be a Jew. One cannot be an atheist and be a Muslim. Muslims have an ethnicity that is fully overshadowed by their religion in many cases. Remove the religion, and there is no “Muslim.”
Europe is not being over run by “Muslims,” so much as by North African Arabs and Pakistanis. Those same North Africans who were colonized by the Europeans in recent centuries. Those Arabs did not cause the Holocaust, and did not invade Europe. The Europeans are doing it to themselves. It is in affect an Arab problem for Europe, and one of their own creation. The Pakistanis may not be Arab, but their “culture” is literally based on a rehashed variation of Arab Nationalism we now know as “Islamism.” It is for that same reason that Ahmadinejad rants and raves of Holocaust denial, all the while the vast majority of his population simply do not understand what he is talking about. His views reflect Arab nationalism, even if he only sees his actions as that of a “Muslim.”
My advice? Offend Muslims. Offend those who’s thought processes follow Islam, and force it on others. I do this all the time. My warning though, is do not mix religion with ethnicity and race. The end result of doing so will simply make no sense at a future point. After all, I had plenty of professors in the hard sciences with “Muslim sounding” names. They were mostly atheists. Labeling them as simply “Muslim” would have probably offended the majority of them. After all, that is what many of the “Muslims” in our American society are. Just a name.
I agree with Cyrus. Islam has become the bogeyman to replace Communism. Neither Communism nor Islam are that cohesive. Edward Said wrote very cogently in the 1990s about the changeover in the neocons’ target. The religious ideology of Islam, and its political counterpart Islamism, should given no quarter however, and fought with all the tools secularism and the state has its disposal. This approach does not preclude religious toleration of belief as a private matter, but it does stand against the invasion of Islamic and other religious ideologies into the public sphere, such as education.
Faith schools in the UK are a particularly invidious example of the invasion Islamic and Christian ideologies into the public sphere, because of the capture of immature minds by these ideologies. The French decision banning the wearing of the burka (thanks James) in public is a laudable example of militant secularism in practice, and is not as petty as lily livered liberals make out, because of what it signifies.
I agree with this post 100%. It is sickening the way that the Left is sucking up to Islam. Stop it right now! It’s all because Muslims are fighting European Judeo-Christian “colonizer-imperialist” types in Israel and now in Iraq, Afghanistan and even in Europe. To the Left, European Judeo-Christian civilization is evil, and hence so are all Whites. Jews are considered White. We are all racist colonizer/imperialist slavers.
The dark Muslim noble savages are fighting evil White Euros, and the Left cheers.
The Left hates:
1. Euro Whites
2. Euro Christians
3. Euro Jews
4. The West
The dark Third Worldist oppressed darkies are fighting a holy war against all four, the West can’t get enough of it. I’m not sure if the Zionists ever mention this, but I think they are right. The Left even dislikes the Jews because now they are the ultimate expression of the White Judeo-Christian Western Euro colonizer.
So are you gonna become a right-wing neocon scum?
I’m a scum, but a rightwing neocon scum? No way.
No Robert, stop spreading lies about the Left. The Left aren’t that racial. You’re just spouting.
A sane Left will support Christian values as highly progressive. See Slavoj Zizek on Christianity.
Support for Islamism. The Maos and Trots do it and that’s about it. It’s third worldist idiotism…if you convert to Islam YOU CANNOT LEAVE. The penalty for leaving the Islamic religion in Pakistan is six months in prison, according to a commentator on Radio 4. Is this true?
Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez was wrong.
The reason there’s Muslims in Europe is because the Jew’s guys, the Americans and Soviets, won World War II.
Thanks a lot, Jews.
It has to do with 18th and 19th century European colonization, as well as the current European birthrate, me thinks.
It just doesn’t make sense to blame the Axis Powers for things that happened after they were defeated and removed from power, and which they obviously would’ve opposed.
The axis is responsible for the home foreclosure crisis in the U.S right now.
The impressive list of Jewish achievement doesn’t change the fact that Gaza is a concentration camp. Until this changes, world opinion will continue to turn against Israel.
I hate both Zionism and Islamism. Israel is the biggest welfare queen there is. Islamists are fascists. Sometimes I think the US should just give Israelis the following choice: Emigrate to the US, or you are on your own. It would certainly be cheaper than spending billions more on the failed Israeli experiment.
A lot Left Anti-Zionists are actually anti-Semites. They support Islam in Europe and elsewhere because it’s the front line in the war against the Jews, oh, I’m sorry, I mean the Zionists.
Yes, and like white yuppies who support open borders, they live in nice white enclaves safely isolated from the people they claim to support.
You mean people like Richard “Islamophobia” Seymour and the SWP, right? Didn’t the SWP ask non-Muslim women at some demo to cover their heads? Is it leftist to simply kiss the ass of every (haram) porkchop nationalist? This seems to be all the left has today.
I hope you were joking about Israelis emigrating to the US. We should simply cut off all aid to that filthy bandit state AND not allow them to emigrate to other countries. Then they would have to deal and negotiate with the Arabs on their own.
Israelis are emigrating to the US. As the demographic situation in Israel deteriorates for the Jewish separatists, more and more of them will come to the US. However, for the moment, the figures for US Israeli born residents are not as high as the estimates I’ve seen (350,000 to 500,000), if this source is to be relied upon.
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=46358. The US is the obvious future destination for the majority of Israeli Jews, as the Jewish state fails. The Jews who remain in Israel will be those who are happy to live alongside Arabs. By 2100, probably sooner, what was Israel will simply be part of the Arab world. Get used to it, Israeli Jews. You can’t stop it.
They should go to Antarctica instead. One thing we don’t need here is more of those cretins coming over.
Agreed 100%, LaFluer. Zionism and Islamism are both two “isms” we as Americans could really do without. We should cut off aid to Israel, and our only relationship with any Islamic nation should be strictly business for resources and trade(same for Israel, or any other nation. No “favorites.”).
Of course we have our own fascists in America to deal with right now, who will never let this happen. Evangelicals Christians, Tea-party types, Neo-cons, etc…
Islamists are Islamic fascists. Zionists are Jewish fascists. No pasaran! Dickie Seymour hates me as a racist and anti-Semite, supposedly. I am banned from his site. Go over there and mention my name and see what he says. Dickie is not an anti-Semite. He’s just an asshole. Like their Trot dream is going to come true anytime soon. Politics is the art of the possible.
I wasn’t serious. Given the brainwashing Israelis receive in school and the media, it would be a disaster to bring them all here.
I am just beyond sick of the whole situation, that’s all.
Eventually the US empire is going to run out of funny money. We’re already broke in reality. We can’t keep supporting them forever. How does this end?
Yah, Israelis can be a scary bunch. Most I have known were not the least bit religious. No, their fanaticism was nationalistic, and instilled since childhood. Very two-dimensional, close-minded way of thinking they had. Very militant. They were right, knew they were right, and to hell with anyone got in their way.
Brainwashed to the extreme, and aggressive.
Yet they want Gentiles to be a bunch of weak-kneed pussies with no strong sense of pride or identity. Typical kike hypocrisy.
I’m making this comment without reading the others. I will get to them. If I’m redundant, my apologies.
What a farce. As Yockey said, the unnecessary
and evil intervention of the United States destroyed the cream of the crop of Europe and allowed the Islamic entry.
The best answer is “Eurasia.” If you delve into the strategy of Alexander Dugin you will see how
Euro-Russ Culture…with Islamic components
as friendly but mitigated forces, can maintain control of the large land mass and flourish, sdeveloping according to its own Destiny,
i.e. Cultural Imperative.
Ah yes, Eurasianism. You must having been hanging around some Russians. 🙂
It’s quite clear that Ashkenazi Jews are the world’s most prolific and productive people on a per capita basis. I wonder how this came to be? Hitler was an idiot for killing 6 million of them. Think about how much brain power the world lost in that one action. Diseases that would probably be cured by now, inventions that will go uninvented. How many Einsteins might we have lost in the Holocaust?
Great point! Hungarian Jews alone have managed a staggering level of achievement:
(The section on Hungarian Jews is about halfway down the page)
Over 550,000 of them were killed in the Holocaust.
It’s quite clear that Ashkenazi Jews are the world’s most prolific and productive people on a per capita basis. I wonder how this came to be?
Agree with the rest. What a tragedy for mankind!
Robert, do you have source that might show the I.Q comparison between a Jewish German and a non-Jewish German living in Germany, prior to the Holocaust?
I have always wondered about this. After all Ashkenazi Jews are known to have a very high I.Q, and Germans are rather high up the list average as well(I think over 100?).
Obviously the Germans killed off many of their best and brightest, both in concentration camps, and on countless battlefields.
It’s not just their IQ, Robert. If that were the case, then the Japanese, given their modern societies for most of the 20th century, would be more prolific (or at least equal) in their accomplishments to, say, the British or French. But that’s clearly far from the truth.
I wonder why that is so…..
Zionism is really a form of colonialism. All European colonialism was ultimately justified by one argument: We are superior to you and therefore we have the right to conquer your land and to rule over you. Similarly, when Zionists justify the conquest of Palestine and the subjugation of Palestinians because Jews are better at winning Noble Prizes than Muslims, they are simply recycling colonialist thinking.
It is true that Muslims, although a large part of humanity, have won few Nbel Prizes. However, the Hindoos, Chinese, Blacks and Latin Americans are also a fair chunk of mankind. How many Noble Prizes have they won? Maybe the Jews also should take over some of their territory.
Islamophobes emphasize both the backwardness dangerousness of Islam. That is contradictory. The more backward people are, the less dangerous they can be.
The Muslims in Islamic countries are not in the least a threat to our security because Islamic states are not powerful enough to threaten us, but the Muslims in our countries may pose a long-term threat to our liberal democracy. It should be pointed out, however, that the general poor performance of Muslims in Europe is to be explained by their low skill level, not by their religion. They can be compared to the Hispanics in the US in socio-economic terms.
As to religion, the Muslims behave exactly as all immigrants have behaved. As a rule, immigrants will lose their language and non-religious culture but preserve their religion. Yiddish goes but Judaism stays. The Italian and Polish languages disappear but Catholicism remains. The German and Scandinavian immigrants were assimilated rapidly but they still created the Lutheran Church. The traditionalist Mennonites didn’t become very modern as soon as they set foot in North America. Immigration can permanently change the religious landscape of a country.
The question, then, is whether the Islamic religion is compatible with liberal democracy. I would argue that Islam was always compatible with democracy but is still at odds with liberalism. However, so was Catholicism until recently. As late as 1864, Pope Pius IX denounced such heresies as the separation of church and state and freedom of religion in his Syllabus of Errors.
Religions can evolve, and Islam can make its peace with liberalism, at least the branch of Islam that is now in the West. However, that will take time, and therefore it isn’t prudent to import many Muslim immigrants.
Instead of Islamophobic hysteria, we need sober analysis unconstrained by political correctness. Islam is not the enemy, but large-scale immigration of Muslims in non-Islamic countries is not a good idea. The whole Islamic problem can be summed up in one word: immigration. Any Islamophobe who doesn’t mention immigration is a fraud who is more interested in a new Cold War with Islam than in solving a concrete problem.
The egregious Mark Steyn illustrates how dangerous Islamophobia can be. He argues that we have 3 alternatives with regard to Islam: to reform it, to submit to it or to destroy it. Since we are quite incapable of reforming Islam and certainly don’t want to submit to it, that leaves us with the alternatives of destroying it.
The destruction of a religion, however, in practice means massive violence. To really destroy Islam, we would have to murder all the Muslims who refuse to be converted. The solution to the Islamic problem proposed by Mark Steyn, who is published in the MSM, resembles very much die Endlösung der Judenfrage.
In some ways, today’s Islamophobia is comparable to the anti-Semitism of the 1930’s. Western Islamophobes are far more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalists because Western countries have much more power than Islamic ones. It is the US that s threatening to bomb Iran, not the other way around.
Wow, James. You’re so smart.
Excellent points you make. On a side note, I have always felt that a sort of “Muslim Reformation,” at least starting with Islam in the west, will form around Sufism in one form or another.
Even that so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” belongs to an organization of Islamic Sufi practitioners.
Instead of Islamophobic hysteria, we need sober analysis unconstrained by political correctness. Islam is not the enemy, but large-scale immigration of Muslims in non-Islamic countries is not a good idea. The whole Islamic problem can be summed up in one word: immigration. Any Islamophobe who doesn’t mention immigration is a fraud who is more interested in a new Cold War with Islam than in solving a concrete problem.
Bingo. The “Clash of Civilizations” is just a way for the elite to make a bundle and steal resources. The left, on the other hand, is too busy fetishizing third worlders to see that there are many things about first world civilization that are worth preserving.
Israel is also threatening Iran. And the Lebanon:
“In some ways, today’s Islamophobia is comparable to the anti-Semitism of the 1930′s. Western Islamophobes are far more dangerous than Islamic fundamentalists because Western countries have much more power than Islamic ones.”
Islam is not monolithic. It is not the enemy of the West. Neither was Communism, which originated in the West. Neither is are Islamist parties necessarily. Hezbollah for example do not have a left programme. They are pro capitalism, neo liberal. I cannot express support for Islamist political parties because they have regressive social values.
Are you sure about that? I thought Hezbollah was economically populist?
Hezbollah are not neoliberals at all. Almost no one in the Arab World is these days. Those are all socialist countries. The only neoliberalism is coming out of Israel in a weird modified form as Netanyahu economics and also out of the Lebanese Maronites and their Hariri secular Sunni allies in Lebanon. That Hariri bastard promoted the biggest neoliberal project that ever hit the region. Lebanon will never pay off that stupid debt he ran up, mostly to the Saudis. The damage he did to the Lebanese economy is hard to figure.
According to the French social scientist Emmanuel Todd, the three main characteristics of modernity are high life expectancy, mass literacy and low fertility. How do Islamic countries rate on these? Well, if we take 1975 as the base year, then virtually all of them made considerable progress. In nearly all Islamic countries, the vast majority of 15-year-olds can read, and that includes the vast majority of girls. Fertility has also declined dramatically in most Islamic countries and life expectancy has risen.
The Taliban are exceptional in the Islamic world in that they want to ban girls from all schooling. In the Islamic Republic of Iran, the bugbear of the Islamophobes, women go to university in droves and fertility has fallen below the replacement level.
In his latest book Le rendez-vous des civilisations, Emmanuel Tood provides a table with excess female child mortality (age 0 – 5), a good indicator of social attitudes toward women. The worst offenders are not Islamic countries. The normal score is 100.
Punjab 198, China 184, Haryana 177, Uttar Pradesh 143, Rajashtan 140, Bihar 135, Kosove 131, Turkey 121, Jordan 121, Azerbajan 120, Iran 119, Pakistan 119, …….. Saudi Arabia 106, Palestine 106, ……. Iraq 99, Mali 97, United Arab Emirates 95.
As you can see, the list is topped by China and Northern India.
Islamic countries are also not noted for the selective abortion of female fetuses. That happens mainly in China and India.
We can’t simply divide the world in a reactionary Islam and the progressive rest.
Robert, on a side note and since we are talking about both Zionism and Islamism, I happen to see something interesting posted on Juan Cole’s site. It is sort of a question and answer article. It relates to what we were all discussing here. Sorry to link to another blog, but I remember that you know Juan Cole, so I hope I am not being rude by linking to another blog.
The list missed this Moslem physics laureate:
Herb, this list and many like it were really popular after 9/11. They are directly designed to create an image of the “other.” Classical propaganda at it’s finest. Ultimately racist in the rational behind their creation. I remember another list going around that stated the entire Muslim world(variations said just the Arab world) published less books per year than little Greece, with a population of 10 million.
No sources were every put forth to back up such a claim. When investigated, Egypt alone is shown to have published more books in 2001 than Greece, so whomever wrote the list had a clear agenda. Probably some racist Israeli asshole, or Zionist wannabe in the U.S.
If “Muslims” truly are so backward, primitive and living in the stone age, we wouldn’t be too worried about them potentially developing nuclear weapons or ICBM’s anytime soon, now would we?
Here is a “Muslim” guy who should have been up for a Nobel Prize, but never received one:
Intellectual bias sucks, no matter who is dishing it out.
For the record, I find these I.Q tests rather questionable, as well. Who, and how were average I.Q rates gathered? If they were not done thoroughly “in country,” and are only guesstimates of some sort in many cases, then they are not scientifically based. Too many factors are in a constant state of flux for any “guess” to work in such an analysis. Data is data, facts are facts, and the two don’t necessarily go hand in hand.
The IQ tests are all good, with the exception that they don’t seem to explain very low scores very well, such as in Africa or New Guinea, for some reason.
My problem with the I.Q testing is that it involves averaging between two nations, to gain the value of a third nation. Many times with either nation not even sharing a border with the third. Or at least the documented methodology has led me to believe so.
Yeah, that is stupid. We don’t have enough good data. It’s a real problem. We also need to translate the major IQ tests into other languages and then test them out. Even that’s not being done. All this PC anti-IQ bullshit is not helping.
You see, that is my issue. I want extremely thorough tests, comprehensive, across the board, done in native languages and dialects. No doubt could then be traced to the testing and it’s accuracy.
If only we had a few billion in research grant money laying around, eh Robert? 😀
I would think that you would be somewhat empathetic towards this guy, as he represents the unapologetically Fascist wing of the Jews.
He’s simply a more blunt, honest spokesman for Jewish goals and mentality. The “liberal” Jews are simply hiding the same disgusting agenda under clever window dressing. At least this guy is honest.
Well, I’ll tell you this. Watching this asshole “Kahane” talk, one thing about him really sticks out…Nothing particularity “Middle Eastern” about the man.
He’d stick out in Beirut like an Irishman in Beijing.
I mean seriously. A lot of Americans travel Eastward and go native. This guy and his followers ought to try it some time. It is supposed to be really fun to do!
Now I know how Asians must feel… 🙂
He looks pretty Arab to me. And what do you mean you know “how Asians must feel?”
He doesn’t look like any Arab I ever met, but that is not what I was talking about. Not even close. It is his basic mannerisms and method of communication. He would stick out like a sore thumb in that part of the world. He’d be pegged for an American in about two seconds flat.
He is a white guy from New York city. As American as a Ford Truck and apple pie. He, like evangelical Christians, has a “fixation” on the Near East. He is in search of a meaning and a greater belonging in life, and he finds it in this form of ultra reactionary Judaism.
Just like Americans who have fixation on all things Asian, and start dressing like the Dalai Lama, and eating eating Chinese food every chance they get.
To all of them I say, get a life…
I see what you mean. Maybe not Arab, but doesn’t Kahane look at least Near Eastern perhaps Kurdish, Azeri, or Turkish?
And what exactly is wrong with trying to find a greater belonging in life? Do you prefer a world made up of atomized individuals with no solidarity or a communal sense?
If your intent in finding meaning in life means utilize another groups culture, more power to you, I suppose.
None of these people are doing that.
Kahane was a reactionary who would have practiced genocide, given the chance. If that gave his life meaning, then I would argue that his life was destined to be meaningless from the start.
This Kahane is simply a White guy. Take away the beard and he’s right at home in the all-White town I just left. I doubt if anyone would look at him twice. Believe it or not, there is a lot of variability among typical European type Whites.
I don’t think he looks Middle Eastern or even Greek necessarily. He’s just another White guy. Anyway, Greeks are just plain White anymore in US White society.
But he’s Sephardic.
Rob, most whites in America are English, German, or Scots-Irish, and I see them everyday, they’re not THAT different looking from each other. You should watch a video of Kahane in 1968 on youtube, he looks pretty Mediterranean there.
Meds are Whites here in CA. End of discussion. Screw this “most US Whites are Nords” stuff. White people don’t think like that anymore. Nordicism is so dead in American Whites. Another reason US White nationalists are utter failures. 80%+ of them are Nordicists, nasty ones too.
Ok, he’s a Med Jew.
Guess what, man? Contrary to Nordicist buttfuckers, Meds are completely integrated in mainstream US White society, at least here in CA. Spaniards, Portugees, Italians, Greeks, all of them, they are all simply considered Whites, no questions asked.
European Meds certainly. But not Middle Easterners. Kahane is a Jew from the Levant.
Then he is a Mizrachi Jew. Sephardics come from Med Europe.
On Stormfront, they accept all Europeans, north or south. But they draw the line on Turkey and the Caucasus.
Looking at this video from 1990, I would say no.
Don’t get me wrong, some Jewish folks of “European Jewish” background do look very “Middle Eastern,” at least to a particular region of it.
Just not this guy. Not to me, walking down the street. That was the first thing that struck me, at least after his demeanor.
I always thought Rod Serling did. He could pass for Lebanese in a heartbeat.
Here is the pic of Rod Serling.
That’s strange, Serlin just looks like a dark-haired western European rather than a Levantine Arab. He could pass for a Frenchman. His eyes are too deep-set to be Near Eastern-looking. Near Easterners, whatever ethnicity and whatever region they hail from, seem to have rather large eyes that bulge out of their sockets. Their eyes are the polar opposite of East Asian eyes.
Well Fpy3p, Kahane doesn’t looks Azeri. Not really Kurdish, either. I can spot those two a mile away. It’s all in the eyes. Especially the Azeri.
Turkish, maybe. Here is a picture of your typical Turkish man. Very Mediterranean looking, they are.
Typical Mediterranean look. Big eyes. Serling looks rather “Mediterranean.” No problem there. In his time period, I am sure most white Americans thought him “ethnic.”
For the record, Kahane doesn’t look Azeri, I can tell you that much.
Does Kahane look Greek perhaps? I know for sure he doesn’t look Anglo-Saxon or northwest European in general, which is what most white Americans are.
Serling looks very Greek, yes. At least to me. I am sure I would get “the treatment” from someone Greek-American for saying it, but he could pass as Greek. Turkish, as well.
They all have this rather generic Eastern Mediterranean look. You even find a lot of Egyptians like that. Mostly from Alexandria, for some reason. Or so they tell me. 🙂
Kahane doesn’t look Greek. No. Gypsy maybe. Yes, defiantly Gypsy. And maybe Neanderthal, to. A Gypsy who got raped by a Neanderthal. Yes.
What about Kahane himself? What’s strange about a lot of Ashkenazis is that since they come from eastern Europe, you would expect them to blend in and appear Slavic. But they don’t, they have that Eastern Mediterranean appearance that you just mentioned. Some even look downright Arab, like Adam Goldberg.
Fpy3p, some do, some don’t. American Jews are a group of folks who’s families came from various parts of Europe. In the U.S, they mixed amongst each other, and married out like crazy.
I guess what I am trying to tell you is, that I don’t have a fucking clue. You probably need to ask someone Jewish. 🙂
Most Jews I grew around though, at least the majority, didn’t look in anyway Middle Eastern, or Mediterranean. Too many redheads, too much light skin. Even with dark hair, their features were just not that “exotic.” Too European looking. In fact, they didn’t even look like a good deal like the Israelis I’ve known. Many Israelis look very Middle Eastern, at least in the East Mediterranean sense. Americans tend to be shocked to find that out.
As for Levantine Arabs, many can pass as Italian, Greek, whatever. I have known plenty that have.
Or Italians that play Levantine Arabs:
That just shows you how stupid Americans are. I mean come on! You’re telling me that Americans are surprised that a people who established their “homeland” right in the middle of the Arab world wood look East Mediterranean? Shalhoub and Turturro both look very Jewish, at least stereotypically.
Thanks to James Schipper for talking some sense.
And there is no ‘swamping’ of Europe by Islam – that’s a complete fantasy. If anything there’s a swamping of Western Europe by destitute Eastern Europeans whose countries have been destroyed by our wonderful Western neo-liberal culture. Most Muslims are no more different from me than most Catholics. I’ve worked with loads of them and they are as varied as anyone else, and like the rest of us few of them take religion very seriously. There are probably a much smaller percentage of them who are fanatical ‘Islamists’ than there are Christians who are fundamentalist Evangelicals, and certainly far fewer than the percentage of jews who are zionists.
Those zionist posts are nauseating. I get sick of hearing how much the jews have done for us. Their contribution to European culture has been precisely zero – well, maybe Heine, Kafka, Mendelssohn ( Marx wasn’t a jew, sorry, and Spinoza gave it up and they hated him). So they got a lot of Nobels? Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize, and Shimon Peres, and Barack fucking O’Bampot! That shows you how much respect you should have for the nobel. The number of jews who get nobels should tell you the same thing as the number of jews on the board of the Fed, or the percentage of jews among the billionaires – the jews have rigged the game. Even Einstein – his theories would have lost their throne decades ago (along with a lot of the quantum mysticism and fantasy cosmology of big bang, black holes and the rest) if he wasn’t such a poster boy for the jews.
They are a one-trick pony. Unfortunately for us it’s a good trick – for them! Due to their history as an international trading people, as capitalism grew out of feudalism, they were well placed to lodge themselves in the heart of the financial and banking processes essential to the new order, and enmesh the gentile elites in a web of dependency; these banking and financial processes are essentially a way of vacuuming up surplus value from the poor to the rich, so the rich and the jews only get richer. Initially the process was beneficial; now it’s following the inevitable logic Marx predicted – draining us dry! Not to mention turning our art, music and literature to shit! Some contribution!
‘Judeo-Christian’ culture is just a lie. Judaism has had NO input whatever to Christiantity. NONE. The Torah the Old Testament, has next to nothing to do with Talmudic Judaism, and anyway it had nothing to do with Christianity until the reformation, the printing press and the Protestant Churches. The essence of Christianity as practiced for the first 1600 years ( and still practiced, including by Protestants) originates, like almost everything else in European culture, with the Greeks. The Jesus stories were written by Greeks, at least 70 years after the time he was supposed to have lived (and there’s no evidence he did); the stories arise from the Greek philosophical tradition. They owe nothing whatever to Judaism, which didn’t exist then anyway.
There’s more to be said for a common Islamo-European tradition, since there has been long historical intercourse between the 2 worlds – you know how much the Renaissance owed to the rediscovery of Greek learning which the Arabs had kept alive.
Great post! I too am sick and tired of hearing all this praise for a bunch of evil, swindling, nation-wrecking parasites.
Well, it is commonly said that the 20th century was the “Jewish century,” due to their level of contributions. Robert lists the Nobel Prizes as a source of this notion. Great. I’m not docking Jewish contributions to the sciences and culture. I just find the Nobel Prize as inherently bias on many levels. Not a whole lot of East Asian or South Asian names on that list, either. Nor “Islamic sounding,” for whatever the hell that means, as Robert sort of put it. Plenty of folks with those kinds of names in California, and plenty of them with Ph.D in the sciences and engineering. Having worked in the field, being “Asian” gives you a shit chance of ever getting promoted into management in the private sector, I can tell you that much.
The 21st century is destined to be the Asian century, though. In one form or another. I do not see the same level of Jewish influence as such. Outside of Israel, they are simply “not there,” and never have been to an great extent. Not like in Europe and the U.S. Of course, that is as much related to American influence, as anything else. Either way, will see if the Nobel Prize committee reflects that reality. I highly doubt it.
Nation wrecking? Come on.
The Jews are damn smart and that’s about it. I’ve never met a stupid Jew. They have talent, they’ve got brains. They are influential in some way or another and they like to run things. Go to most major cities around the world, do a web search for a Jewish youth hostel and you’ve got a great place to stay with good conversation and good prices overall, except extra charges on towels and pretty much anything else. Hah.
Jews assimilate well and contribute a hell of a lot to their perspective nations. But they’re still hated! No wonder they try to build up defenses not to get torn down in the countries and try to liberalize the people around them. I realize they take care of their own first, but I don’t buy this crap about them being the “most ethnocentric people on earth.” Not with American Jews at least. They’re pretty damn self-critical and consider themselves Americans before Jews. Hell of a lot more than the American Muslims I’ve met. Most American Jews I’ve met aren’t about marrying into their race, but they might eventually, just to please their parents.
I don’t know how they do it, man, but they’ve just got amazing brains. Every time I hear about some new eminent mathematician or chess-player (or past one) I have to go look up their origins and only very rarely do I find it’s now a Jew. Like Grigori Perelman. Look up your influential Russians and you’ll find well over half of them have at least some Jewish heritage. I almost wish it weren’t true it occurs so often. It seems unfair to all the other groups of people, but that’s just the way things worked out.
Hitler was killing effectively exterminating the smartest group of people in Europe. He nearly gave that continent a lobotomy. I’m sure Europe is missing those Jews now. I’m sure they just love the Muslims who have grown as large or larger in numbers than the Jews ever were in Europe and contribute only a fraction what the Jews did.
It seems almost impossible how well they do, but it’s true. They’re the ultimate over-achievers. They help nation-building more than nation-destroying. They have something even the East Asians have, because they have consistently done well without large numbers.
Of course, they’re not perfect. I don’t really like their religion much and prefer them to be secular. They don’t make very good painters or poets. They’re “NT” left-brain types for the most part. I definitely don’t have a Jewish mind. Bloom is the practical, thinking Jew in Ulysses and I’m skinny, unserviceable Daedalus talking to the sea-rocks. Hell, I don’t even know why I’m still going on about them and trying to defend them. I’m stopping.
Erranter, I generally agree with the notions of what you are staying, but I still don’t understand this whole Jewish contributions VS. Muslim contributions “thing.” It is like apples and oranges to me.
I mean, I hate the Pakis in the U.K. Scum of the Earth and freeloaders. I think the North Africans(Algerians and Moroccans) in France are trouble makers, but also the victims at the same time. I think Germany could not live without the Turks. German youth are lazy and useless. Literally useless. They need the Turks and other Eastern Europeans these last few decades, just to survive. Ask any “Yank” who served in “K-Town” in Germany. They’ll back me up on this. 🙂
Persians in Europe are like the Jews used to be…They reek of money,class and educational status.
So, comparing all these different groups against a single group called the “Jews.” I still must ask…What is the basis? It would make more rational sense to do it on a case by case “ethnic” basis, would it not?
The comparing is kind of useless. It boosts the Jews’ egos and deflates the Muslims’, or just makes them mad. That’s about it. I don’t know how to put it. I just wish Muslims would be better, you know? Westernize a bit, read and write some more. I’m not going to lie. They kind of make me mad. At the very least we need to end imperialism so they can set up stable states. I think they’re stagnant societies, but they can have stability and okay quality of life. It just would be boring for my tastes and I wouldn’t want to live there.
All they did was transport Greek civilization and keep its corpse afloat during the dark ages. They did not produce anything new or original. They are a culture which transmits but does not spawn new things. They are stagnant. For that reason I have a hard supporting Mohammedan civilization.
Muslim and Catholic are pretty damn opposite. Look at Latin-America or Southern Europe and their openness, sexiness and fieriness and compare that to the closed, dull, covered up Islamic culture. I have a hard time believing they have much in common.
Moreover, the Old Testament was very influential on Protestantism. They strengthened the Hebraic parts of the faith in Northern Europe and this was part of the individualist revolution which took over the continent during the Renaissance.
Since when are Jews indivdualistic? They are tribalist to the core. So if a war with Iran breaks out, you’re still gonna be praising these little evil cretins?
They’re not that tribalist here in the US. Maybe in Israel. My comments are more about European and American Jews. I don’t like much of what Israel does, but I don’t think things would be much better without it there. I don’t think Palestine would be some flourishing place if Israel had never come into existence of just vanished. I think it’d be a little better, however, and I think that what they’re doing is still wrong. But I’m not blind to the truth. Without oil the Arab states would not be much of anything at all. Even with oil I don’t think there’s much worth emulating in their societies.
Certainly the Gulf Arab states are indeed nothing without oil. But Iran, Turkey, Syria are all nations with great historical legacies, and since America is occupying that region, we have no room to criticize the Arabs. Most Arab dictators are propped up by the CIA anyway.
Hm. Yeah, Persia and Syria were great . . . once. But Islam has deteriorated their minds. The religion seems to give a state an IQ debt of 6 points just by being there. Turkey seems okay. But it seems such a slippery slope. Like any moment they might revert to Islamic Theocracy and abandon Western Democracy.
What bothers me about the religion is that there’s no discourse on reality and science is nil. You discuss things in relation to quotes on the Koran. Everything is reduced to the book. Logic, thinking, even art are disallowed. You cannot represent because God forbids it. It seems you cannot think because God forbids it and demands submission. Perhaps I exaggerate a bit. Perhaps it’s not so extreme anymore. I’ve never been, mind you. And I know a lot of really smart American Muslims who are quite secular. Funny thing is, they remind me a lot of American Jews. And the same things that bother me about Jews bother me about them. Namely, they just love money and like to count it and play with it and even if they give it away they always remember and always expect a favor in return. Poor Mexicans I know have been pretty damn generous to me by comparison Dayworkers I’ve known have bought me beers and then forgotten about it and I’d have to force a beer back at them. It’s a different culture. Americans are kind of like that too, pretty damn giving. But there’s something about the semitic area/people that has really ingrained commerce in their culture and they’re brutal about it.
Erranter, you sound like an “expert” on places you have never been to! 😀
Well, Fpy3p, America is pretty much fucked this next decade. Lets sit back and watch the show in the Middle East, courtesy Uncle Sam. Power really is a fluid thing, in all it’s forms.
I’m just giving my two cents on what I think of the topic. I made no direct attacks at “you” at all and no reference to your fixation on sex or something as silly as that. I’m open to having my opinion changed and said that I am largely ignorant on the subject. No, I haven’t been there and I’m not going to act like I have. At this point I have a very cold relationship with the Islamic world based on what I’ve read and seen. I’m hoping to visit North Africa this December, perhaps it will open my eyes a bit.
Erranter my boy, you are the one who was comparing the sexuality of Latin American with that of the Islamic World. Go look at what you wrote.
Fucking is fun, but it’ll never cure cancer.
Oh, and North Africa is kind of a shithole. A lot like Mexico in many ways. Try Turkey, Israel, or the UAE. 🙂
Oh boy, Erranter…”Mohammedan civilization?” Muslim and Catholic are opposite? Don’t you mean Christian and Catholic? Or is nuance just an abstract concept to you? Transport “Greek” civilization? Are you really that historically uneducated? Are you comparing 4th century Athens to 12th century Baghdad in technical advancement? I’ll remember that next time I am using Algebra to code a program. 😀
I guess putting a man on the moon wasn’t an American achievement…It was a “Greek” achievement. We were just transporting it for them.
The Old testament, AKA the “Torah,” has FAR more in common with the Koran than any mainstream “New Testament” interpretation. Hell, “Shia and Catholic” have a strange commonality to them, that precludes your notion of the inverse and polarness of “Muslim and Catholic” that you present.
Everything you rant about has been said about East Asians before, for example. Even worse, your fixation on the “sexual,” as though that qualifies as somehow relating to scientific and engineering enlightenment, is rather perverse. To quote Aldous Huxley:
“An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex.”
Einstein is said to have liked to use that quote a lot…Go figure. Damn Jew. 🙂
Algebra was created by the Indians and Greeks and held onto by the Arabs. That’s what I mean by transmission. Same with our so-called “arabic numerals.”
Anyway, I hate arguing so I’m done with this topic.
Uh-oh, Erranter, sounds like you have been reading “Wikipedia” too much. 🙂
It could also be traced earlier to the Babylonians, but like you care, right?
It was first put down as a treatise by Khwarizmi(Persian, not “Arab”), so whatever notions came before him, matters little. Everything is built on what came before. That really is the nature of knowledge. Attributing it simply to Greek(read “white,” like you, in your mind at least), or nowadays Indian forethought, is modern day revanchist tripe.
Of course, you’ll just write off Khwarizmi as some “sandnigger” intellectual thief, and continue to sling some mud. All because some Black folks in San Fransisco sacred you a little.
For the record, were you a public teacher here in California? Did I read that right?
What’s with the ad hominem attacks, man? Lay off. I have nothing against you.
Think about what you are saying, and then consider another’s reaction to it. Reactions tend to be conditional, and based on experience. What you are spouting…Do you really think I have not come across this hundreds of times before? Face to face? Think of the framing and reference you created.
Also, consider the brief time period we currently live in, in relation to your views on the matter. What formed them? What do you think?
Nietzsche was big on this thing. I believe it had something to do with human empathy, but I could be mistaken.
Yes but most other WN sites on the web are not Stormfront. Stormfront is the only one pushing pan-Europeanism explicitly.
Actually, there are a lot of Iranians on there lately. Theoretically, they are not supposed to be there, but lately no one says anything about them. It’s like a don’t ask don’t tell thing.
Iranians are Indo-European. Semites are not.
Like anyone in the west really gives a shit.
This is true. I don’t know any Whites who actually make the distinction, though I know one White woman, who, while saying that Arabs are White (typical CA White liberal view) seems to believe that Iranians are *really really really really* White. Like as White as real Europeans. That’s also a typical view around here. White liberals here all think Iranians are just Whites.
Doesn’t shock me that she lives in CA. After all, if any Americans would have that notion drilled into their heads, I would expect them to have grown-up or to have lived here. Who else would in the U.S? Lets be real. It is all about exposure.
Yah, those Iranians are funny. Self-hating. There is no other way to put it. Forget their “Caucasianesss.” It still is a funny to watch. Like a cheerleader begging the high school football player for rape.
Actually, Iranians are somewhat closer genetically to Europeans than they are to Semites like Arabs and jews.
To your average American, they are either Middle Eastern, brown, or a “raghead.” Take your pick.
Americans are so stupid they don’t even realize that jews are Semites! They think they’re white people with a different religion? BS! Take a look at genetics.
I don’t really mind them. I like that the Iranians I meet are pro-White. I meet Iranians and the first thing I say is, “You guys are White, right? Like me?” They think for a second and then they break out into these huge grins and say, “Yes! We are White!” If there are any Hispanics around, they glare at me. Then I tell them how we used to be together in South Russia 4000 YBP. They went to Iran and we went to Europe.
They seem to have this view of themselves as “Europeans outside of Europe.”
I dig it because I love all my White brothers and sisters. I’m Pan-Aryanist.
Robert, I think I’m becoming a cynic in my old age. 🙂
To your average American, they are either Middle Eastern, brown, or a “raghead.” Take your pick.
Here in CA, Whiteness has declined so much that we are scraping for any scraps we can find to hold them aloft as ours and praise them to the Gods.
Most liberal Whites here in CA view both Arabs and Iranians, but especially Iranians, as simply Whites. They don’t view them as brown (non-White), Middle Easterners (non-White) or ragheads (non-White). When you get to the North Indians, it’s another kettle of fish altogether regarding whether or not they are White. They are very different physiologically, let’s face it.
Actually North Indians are more similar looking to Europeans than Arabs.
You are right about that. I have white friends who want to say Mexicans are white. Some kind of psychological thing, probably to handle the realization that things are a changing here. A form of fooling one’s self.
In my experience, Iranians seem to range in the eyes of whites as ranging from “white” on one extreme, to others thinking they are maybe Hispanic, or just not able to place them. They are something else, but maybe close enough. 🙂
Depends on the Iranian to. How they look, physically. How fresh off the plane they are, as well.
Liberals probably see Iranians as white, simply because liberals are more educated. Liberals tend not to see the world in direct black and white, like conservatives do. They see Iranians as in their overall “sphere.” Conservatives have a problem with this, I have noticed.
Yah, and Indians, well…They just tend to be dark. Lets face it. They always stick out.
When I started reading your articles I thought you were being fair and non-judgemental about jews and arabs. But after reading more I noticed you were very biased for the Jewish cause. Nothing fair and balanced here, just another commentator showing his anti-arab rants. You have now become another parasite in the media. Most people will not notice the bullshit and propaganda pouring out of that arrogant mind of yours. I can usually spot bullshit after awhile. I just wish the media controlled public wake up to the truth. You know what that truth is, but you are too cowardly to say it.