Blacks Are Ingrates

Alpha Unit commented:

Whenever a White person says, “Just you Blacks wait until Whites are no longer in charge,” this is an expression of White anger and resentment, then. Nothing more.Got it.

Not resentment towards Blacks per se as some basic racist expression. If we resented Blacks so much, we Western Whites would not be treating our Black minority better than any Black minority is treated anywhere on Earth. We don’t resent Blacks. We resent them for cheering on White decline? Yep.

Idiots.

We also resent that in spite of how good we’ve been treating them in the past 20-30 years, getting better and better every year, we get no praise for it from Blacks.

Maybe we just should have kept treating them like shit like we used to!

They’re ingrates, and we don’t get any praise from them for being nicer to them. It’s like we’re going to be evil forever, they’re never grateful for anything we do for them, and we get no credit. There are no rewards for Whites in treating Blacks better other than ego awards for ourselves. No matter how much we do for them, they still keep hating us and never let up. It’s like there’s no satisfying them, and it’s extremely exasperating.

Ingrates generate a lot of resentment. Yeah.

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168 thoughts on “Blacks Are Ingrates”

    1. This is the way that liberal Whites feel. We are the ones who removed so much of our racism and did so many things for Blacks like affirmative action, busing, civil rights laws, etc. I doubt the racists feel this way because they think Whites should have never started acting nicer in the first place. I doubt if conservatives would say it either.

      But White liberals feel that they made all these changes and sacrifices for Blacks, and got mud thrown in their faces in return. Along with escalating demands. Liberal Whites have a lot of frustrations with Black people. Sometimes we just want to say the heck with em.

      1. Sometimes we just want to say the heck with em.

        Well, why don’t you?

        I think that’s something that we whites as a whole, regardless of political ideology, need to start doing.

        If you try to placate and appease an aggrieved group, you will only be rewarded by increasing demands and accusations. Short of giving them every single thing that they want, they’ll be upset.

        So why not just say the heck with them?

    2. Alpha, you’re funny.

      I say things like this as a warning to Black folks. No animosity intended. I generally could care less. Black folks are no threat to me, in the job market or otherwise. Hell, I like the African-American contribution to American culture as a whole. In fact, I love it. Makes us different than Europe. That is always good.

      I speak plenty of Espanol, and get labeled as a Latin every now and then. I grew up in a neighborhood where my Mother was called “Apache Woman,” and everyone thought I should speak Spanish by birth.

      What does this mean? Well, I have an idea of what Hispanics, Middle Easterners and Asians are thinking in relation to Black folks. For recent immigrants and first generationals, simply put, there is no phony embedded guilt. No need to pretend and bullshit, like White America does so well.

      Oh, Whites can be racist. They just try and hide it. Newer groups…Not so much.

      1. I hear what you’re saying.

        People may not realize it, but Black people are well aware of how a lot of non-Black groups feel about them, and treat them.

        As I said before, Black people do not buy into any notion that only Whites can be racist.

        1. Believe me, I know Black folks are plenty aware if it. They have to be, to survive. If anything, it is the dumb-ass Whites that get shocked when reality slaps them in the face.

          Typical Upper-Middle Class White Person: “You mean…You are being racist towards me? But I am White! I vote democrat! I support Affirmative Action for your kind! How is this possible???” 😀 😀 😀

          Yah. Reality bites…

  1. Are you serious? Are you taking the piss here?

    If we resented Blacks so much, we Western Whites would not be treating our Black minority better than any Black minority is treated anywhere on Earth.

    You’re using the Israeli “shut up about the Palestinians because somebody somewhere is being treated worse” argument. It’s bullshit.

    1. It’s true. Western Whites are probably the most non-racist and anti-racist people on Earth these days. It wasn’t always so, but it is now. No other country on Earth treats a Black minority as well as we Western Hemisphere Whites do. Name one.

      What do we get in return? Abagond, Tim Wise, Cultural Marxism, constant abuse for being the most evil people on Earth. If you go to college in California now, you have to take a “multicultural syllabus.” They might as well call these courses, “White People Are Evil.” I know Whites who have to take these courses and they are steaming mad. Everyone teaching them is a minority – a Japanese, a Pakistani, either that or a Jew.

      I mean, there’s something wrong here. The nicer we act, the more we are hated it seems like. One almost wants to say why bother.

      1. Lordy. Abagond is a fairly obscure bourgeois blogger. How many readers does he even have? Whiteness Studies and Cultural Marxism are tools of the man. Capitalism commodifies and castrates all forms of dissent. They came from liberal academia, which is just part of the ruling class. I’m convinced that a lot of the head honchos of cultural “leftism” are disinfo agents anyway.

        Have you ever read Adolph Reed? He’s a great black socialist writer. He wrote a terrific article about the anti-racist movement:

        http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Antiracism.html

        There are some GREAT black anticapitalist writers. Try Black Agenda Report. Glen Ford (along with Reed) saw through Obama from the beginning.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUf6nSLl0a0

        1. Good stuff. Now quit whining about blacks, Robert, unless you are indulging in some bizarre game here that I don’t get.

        2. One day Robert is fuming about ungrateful bourgeois blacks, then the next day he’s saying who cares what these critical race theory blacks thinks. Whites shouldn’t even be concerned with what they think.

          So which is it Robert? Post against them or ignore them?

        3. One day Robert is fuming about ungrateful bourgeois blacks, then the next day he’s saying who cares what these critical race theory blacks thinks. Whites shouldn’t even be concerned with what they think.

          So which is it Robert? Post against them or ignore them?

          Good point.

          I mean, yeah, I’m hardly a saint. I’m still trying to move beyond the more angry element of my pseudo-white nationalist views and become a more racially confident and content white person.

          And I decided to try this new attitude out (which I’m still having trouble doing) following Robert’s advice.

          But when the source of inspiration isn’t practicing what he preaches, then I’m a bit lost.

      2. If you go to college in California now, you have to take a “multicultural syllabus.” They might as well call these courses, “White People Are Evil.”

        The whole point of all this shit was to ruin the American left, to remove the discussion of class, and divide people. It’s not only in schools, it’s drilled into us through the media, and it’s been brutally effective. The architects of all that shit were white, though a lot of their front men are black. See?

      3. robert- blame it on colonialism, slavery and the holocaust. it could be that “you” are being punished for the crimes of your father. You are hated by past transgressions are hated.

        *chic noir takes robert my the head and sits in an ultra plush suede chaise*

        robert how about you avoid abagond’s blog if it bothers you that much.

        BAG you stay away from Tim Wise.
        You two stop being gluttons for punishment.

        *under colonialism please include Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

        1. Yeah, well I’m not going to sit around and wait to be punished for the “crimes of my father.”

          It’s time to wake up and smell what’s burning, fellow white people!

        2. robert I hardly ever read it, but I know he’s out there. And every other educated Black you meet anymore sounds just like him,

          i don’t think they do. It’s paranoia on both sides. for all you know abagond could be a white woman posting for shits and giggles.

        3. for all you know abagond could be a white woman posting for shits and giggles.

          Hmm.

          I don’t know about that.

          But it’s not impossible. If I said the right things, I could pretend to be a black guy and fool some people in the process.

          Wait, I am a black guy! I just pretend to be a pseudo-white nationalist in order to piss people off! Muahaha! 🙂

        4. BAG you stay away from Tim Wise.
          You two stop being gluttons for punishment.

          http://www.worldup.org/blog/?p=1646

          So are you ready then? Are we ready to choose again, and this time, perhaps, get it right? Ready to choose again and this time to live in this skin differently? Ready to relinquish the bonds that we have placed around our own bodies and minds, thanks to white supremacy? Ready to join the circle of humanity, but this time merely as equals, rather than as lords and masters?

          I mean, it’s your choice, and I’ll keep loving you no matter what you decide. We’re too tightly bound for me to do otherwise. But time is tight, the clock is ticking and all the world is dying, quite literally, for your answer. So think it over and get back to me soon. We have some shit to do. And not a lot of time in which to do it.

          Tim Wise leading the people!

          Muahahahahahaha!

        5. Ready to relinquish the bonds that we have placed around our own bodies and minds, thanks to white supremacy? Ready to join the circle of humanity, but this time merely as equals, rather than as lords and masters?

          I mean, it’s your choice, and I’ll keep loving you no matter what you decide.

          Thx Tim, but I’m still embracing my White identity.

          That’s for loving me long time though, Tim.

        6. Tim Wise always does this.

          He says that he doesn’t really hate white people, but just racism and white supremacy.

          Then, when whites accuses him of hating whites, he then tries to turn it on them and accuse them of being the real self-loathing whites by insisting that opposing white anti-racists like him means you must buy into this belief that whites collectively are evil and should be racist.

          I mean, why would you accuse an adorable anti-racist like Tim Wise of being anti-white unless you believe in white supremacy/the need to support white racism? I mean, this wonderful fellow only opposes racism. How could you possibly oppose that, unless you are a strong believer in white racism?

          Yeah, nice try, Timmy, but I’m not buying it.

          Speaking out against racism alone doesn’t make you a white basher/self-hater.

          The rhetoric you use and the way you go about doing it does.

          For example, all your “pale face” and “melanin challenged” rhetoric does not fly with me.

          The way you go about collecting speaking fees and money from book promotions calling whites pathological, mentally ill, and demented is what makes you a white basher.

          And besides, Tim is hardly the aggrieved, misunderstood soul he makes himself out to be.

          The guy is a freakin’ self-described polemicist for Christ’s sake! He uses inflammatory rhetoric, indicts all whites, and then acts wronged when someone calls him on his bullshit.

          To me, a polemicist has no right to cry foul. He deliberately says provocative things. He does it to receive speaking engagements, book promotions, and media appearances.

          Fuck him and fuck his followers.

        7. Forgive me for writing you one big letter, rather than taking the time to compose some
          200 million separate ones, personalize ‘em and seal ‘em with a great big kiss. But I got
          some stuff to do, and not a lot of time in which to do it, so for now, just consider this a
          group hug.

          I mean, he’s already being a sarcastic little prick here.

          Does he have such a low opinion of us that he thinks we cannot detect his fucking condescension?

          And too add on to my previous point. People are tribal. When you ask me to give up my tribe, no matter how much of a “social construct” it is, I’m going to be pissed.

          Tim Wise is hardly just opposed to racism. From what I’ve read of his work and just about every other white anti-racist, he clearly hates his own skin.

        8. And another thing about this puke.

          Every now and then, he writes a fake conciliatory article in order to deflect criticism.

          But if you look at the vast majority of his articles, and he’s hardly friendly and loving.

          Finally, this doesn’t just apply to Timmy, but anti-racists in general. I know that they looove to make distinctions between whiteness and white people, and that hating whiteness isn’t hating white people.

          Well, I’m sorry, but since we are white, when you attack whiteness, you are attacking us, regardless of what you say.

          The only way we’ll be absolved of this whiteness is if we all decided to unilaterally racially disarm ourselves, which will not happen anytime soon, which means that we’re bad people as long as we’re white.

          Sorry, but I’m keeping my identity. And if you attack my identity, you’re attacking me.

          Period.

        9. On that Wordup site, he comes across as a narcissist.

          Co-sign.

          You know, it’s really difficult to find a genuine racist who also doesn’t bash whites.

          I think commenter Thaddeus over at Abagond is an anti-racist I can genuinely admire.

          He denounces racism, he’s opposed to injustice, and yet he doesn’t take black crap or tolerate their various dogmatic beliefs.

          I think he’s the one person who is both an anti-racist yet not a self-hater.

          You see, I’m not entirely unreasonable when it comes to certain white anti-racists.

          Thad is an anti-racist married to a black woman in Brazil, and yet I don’t think of him as a self-hater.

          The difference is his rhetoric and his willingness to challenge black bullshit every now and then. It’s his willingness to get beyond what he would call the “infantile neo-Marxian belief that being a member of an oppressed group means your shit doesn’t stink.”

          Timmy and Robert Jensen could learn a thing or two from him.

        10. Besides, fact is, not only do I not hate you—I mean, us—I actually love you, blemishes and all: hell, oozing sores and all, I still love you. I don’t always feel so hot about what you—I mean, we—have done.

          His dead fish eyes alone tell me he’s lying. It would be interesting to find out where his psychological issues come from.

          This article tells me he hates working class white people:

          http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-how-fascism-comes-reflections-cost-silence

          Considering that we are still the majority, what we have here is a failure to communicate.

          And yes, the World Up article is the most narcissistic thing I’ve seen from him. He obviously thinks he’s the white MLK who is gonna lead all the stupid white folks to the mountain. His success has definitely gone to his head. Pride goeth before a fall.

          As the race to the bottom continues in the US, I think he’s going to find the market for his bullshit shrinking.

        11. This article tells me he hates working class white people:

          Oh yes. At the very least, he certainly looks down on them.

          What’s funny is that he frequently claims to have grown up poor in a shitty apartment, and uses his circumstances in order to bolster his “white privilege” arguments.

          But I don’t know, man. He doesn’t sound like someone with a poor or working class background.

          He’s a narcissistic, self-indulgent elitist. Simple as that.

          Now, where his psychological issues come from:

          1. Don’t want to get into this in too much detail, but he’s Jewish. He talks about how he was tormented by white Christians growing up, so I think part of his activism is motivated by his desire to get back at the goyim.

          He claims to have renounced Judaism religiously on account of his anti-Zionist views, but clearly, he still sees himself as ethnically Jewish.

          The exchange is long, but worth it, and reveals Tim for the adolescent prick that he is.

          http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Green-Wise.html

          2. He frequently talks about how he was a poor and misbehaved kid growing up, as another way to bolster his “white privilege” and pathology arguments.

          (ie. I was so dysfunctional and incompetent, and I still succeeded!)

          I think he projects his own shortcomings and childhood pathologies onto other white people.

          3. He’s simply a hot-headed prick. One one of his websites, he mentions a quote where the principal of his high school told him that Tim had the power to encourage students at his school to riot, and that if he told them to burn the school down, they would do it.

          One of Tim’s major commenters on his blog, an anarchist, once mentioned on his own blog that he came close to inciting riots several times in his life.

          I’ve noticed that many of these anti-racist types are shock hungry violent/confrontational types. They crave attention. They want action. They are provocateurs, first and foremost.

          I’m sure there’s more. But that exchange I posted was good. I don’t know why Tim, who loves to denounce “white privilege” anally rejects the notion of Jewish privilege. I mean, Jews by far are the most privileged group in this country. It’s not even close.

          Rather than denouncing Pat Buchanan, Jared Taylor, and David Duke, men with zero power in this society (although Duke did almost become Louisiana governor in the early 90s, but he lost, and now has no power, so that’s the end of that), he should be denouncing Abe Foxman and other prominent Zionist Jews.

          Unlike powerless white nationalists and redneck hillbillies (whom he denounces in that article you posted), these Zionist Jews have real power.

          To me, he just pays lip service to anti-Zionism, but rarely critically analyzes Jewish power and influence in perpetuating Zionism.

          In fact, he seems to blame white fundamentalist Christians more for Zionism than Jews.

          To be clear, these white Christians do play a role, but they don’t have the same money or power as Jews.

          And notice how he gets snarky and starts using various logical fallacies near the end (ie. strawman, argument from outrage, ad hominem, etc).

          Anyway, that’s my rant.

        12. Also, Tim denies Jewish privilege by pointing out that he was picked on growing up.

          Wait! So does that mean that I don’t benefit from white privilege since I was picked on by black kids in middle school?

          If Tim were willing to answer yes to that question, great!

          If not, then he’s a hypocrite.

          Using his logic and every other anti-racist’s logic, even if he did get picked on growing up, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t enjoy Jewish privilege in wider society.

        13. But I don’t know, man. He doesn’t sound like someone with a poor or working class background.

          I agree. Wise’s high school was in an upper middle class section of Nashville. I just don’t believe that he was as poor as he claims to be.

          His insistence on dealing with white privilege completely detached from class sets off my bullshit detector and makes no fucking sense in practice anyway.

          Wise is actually correct that being white in America amounts to a subsidy, though how valuable it is to a poor or working class white person is debatable. However, his method for dealing with this inequity is punitive toward white people rather than helpful toward people of color. By censoring the discussion of class struggle, assuming the debt for white privilege must be equally paid by all white people means that working class whites, who are the majority, pay far more than their share. Also, I’m not very good at math, but if the top 20% of the population, who own 85% of the wealth, were suddenly half black people, that would still leave 90% + of black people fighting over the bottom 15% of the wealth. It amounts to a cosmetic change, ideal for relieving the guilt of rich white people like Wise but good for little else.

          This is what is so ridiculous about his dismissal of Marxist class analysis.

          ALL of his arguments are geared toward relieving the immense white guilt he feels at NO financial cost to himself. No one who grew up poor or working class feels that kind of guilt. We don’t relate to it. If he grew up working class and became a leftist, he’d want to help poor and working class white people instead of projecting his guilt on them.

        14. I just don’t believe that he was as poor as he claims to be.

          I know. If he really did come from a poor background, you’d think that he might have a little more sympathy for working class whites.

          Instead, he treats them with scorn. His whole “this is how fascism comes” article reflects that.

          And Robert, considering there are many Jews like Wise, such as Noel Ignatiev and the late Susan Sontag, I still cannot see why you are such a philo-semite. I really can’t.

        15. BAG: Your average Jew thinks Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev and Susan Sontag are full of shit. I mean the ones I know like White Gentiles. These are just overeducated Jewish academic types who have little to no influence in real White society.

        16. If he really did come from a poor background, you’d think that he might have a little more sympathy for working class whites.

          Yes. Even if he took shit for being Jewish, he wouldn’t be so dismissive of the struggles of poor and working class white people. He’d be more concerned about the divide between rich and poor, if indeed it concerns him at all.

          Also, it just occurred to me that if he had grown up poor, he would know intuitively that the his approach will NEVER work on working class white people. He appears to know nothing at all about how working class white people think, and that they see things very differently from rich people. The kind of guilt tripping that his bourgeois audiences eat up doesn’t work on poor and working class whites because they don’t feel that privileged. They’re not going to accept being lumped in with bourgeois whites just because they’re white too. He doesn’t even try to speak sympathetically of their experiences. He just keeps hammering away at how privileged they are.

          Only an upper middle class twit would take that approach with working class whites and expect it to work. Noel Ignatiev makes the Maoist Third Worldist assumption that white proles are hopelessly reactionary, so he doesn’t even bother trying to reach them.

          Your average Jew thinks Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev and Susan Sontag are full of shit.

          Plus there have been plenty of Jewish radicals like Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn who are economic leftists. Chomsky has even said that it’s a mistake to ridicule the Tea Partiers, though considering their general affluence, I don’t think most of them are reachable by the left.

        17. Also, I was wondering how, since Wise rejects Marxist class analysis, how on earth he intends to accomplish the end of white supremacy:

          My class based proposals are not really any different from what you might expect. Mostly, I think there can be no class-based solutions of much impact, or a class-based movement to force those changes, until and unless we begin to address the racism that has long kept working people divided by providing whites with the psychological wage of whiteness, etc. I think this is why “colorblind” universal programs of uplift–as proposed by liberals and Marxists alike oftentimes, though for different reasons–can’t work. Aside from the fact that racism is at the root of racial inequities, it turns out, it is often a key factor in the class system: whites will not support large programs of social uplift for those in need, regardless of race, so long as they presume the efforts to be racial redistribution, and meant for “those” people…

          http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/of-collateral-damage-and-roosting-chickens-reflections-racism-economy-and-high-cost-wh

          There can be no class-based solutions until white people aren’t racist anymore? And how the hell do you address the “psychological wages of whiteness” anyway? Whiteness studies have been around for 20 years and have accomplished absolutely nothing besides creating another make-work project for academics. That must be the point. He cannot possibly believe he is ever going to get anywhere.

          So I support everything from, in the short run, massive and targeted stimulus, to a domestic Marshall Plan, new GI Bill type program for workers displaced from manufacturing jobs, and new taxation on stock transactions, combined with lowered payroll tax rates (and extending the cap on payroll tax applicability). But the problem is, most of this will gain no traction in an environment where efforts to equalize economically is seen as taking from “hard working whites” and giving to “lazy folks of color.” We have to challenge racism openly if we are to see any of these things, let alone fundamental alterations in the economic system as a whole

          So the only answer for all the poor, oppressed and unjustly imprisoned people of color is to wait for white people to confess their sins to Tim Wise for X number of years and renounce their whiteness, whatever that means? This is so stupid, I am just dumbfounded.

        18. So the only answer for all the poor, oppressed and unjustly imprisoned people of color is to wait for white people to confess their sins to Tim Wise for X number of years and renounce their whiteness, whatever that means? This is so stupid, I am just dumbfounded.

          You know, I think commenter Thaddeus over at Abagond put it best when he said that for Americans of all races, class is a taboo issue.

          They just cannot see that class and other non-racial issues actually have an impact on peoples’ lives.

          (by the way, I’ve said it before, but I believe that Thaddeus is the perfect white anti-racist who could actually create change. He challenges racism and white BS, but he also doesn’t take black BS and dogma. Also, unlike most anti-racists, he actually believes in practical strategies for change. He’s the one white anti-racist that I don’t think is a self-hater. But I digress)

          But yes, I think Tim has it backwards. He believes that you must get rid of racism before you get rid of poverty.

          But as one black activist professor Boyce Watkins said, the U.S. is more of a capitalist society than it is a racist one. Those who control capital control the country.

          Therefore, I don’t see how you can end racism without first addressing class issues.

          Yeah, Timmy’s got it backwards. I’m beginning to think that he wasn’t the poor kid he claims to be.

          Also, I know I’m reveling in stereotypes here, but I highly doubt that a Jewish kid like Wise grew up in a poor and working class environment. Especially considering his Jewish grandfather made money by owning a liquor store in a black neighborhood (this is according to amazon reviews for his memoir, but I could be mistaken).

          I honestly think that he’s projecting his personal shortcomings and childhood angst over his Jewishness onto other whites.

          Even as an agnostic, he still gets very nasty when you point out Jewish power and influence.

        19. Okay, one more Tim Wise thing. I just harp on him because his PC, fake-leftist dogma is stinking up the entire US left:

          Now we have people running around insisting that we should close the borders with Mexico, because if we don’t the wages of working class people will continue to fall. The implication being that the only reason workers are paid like crap in this county is because the border is open. But if you believe that, you would actually have to believe that if that border were closed that all these owners of capital and industry would just say, “Oh well, you figured us out, here, it’s a raise.” Do we really believe that the only thing keeping bosses from paying people more is the presence of low-waged, medium-skilled labor from south of this artificial
          border? Is that really what we believe?

          This whole paragraph is a ridiculous straw man argument, yes? No one claims that the open border is the only reason that wages suck, or that if the border were closed, that bosses would voluntarily give everyone a raise. They’d probably be forced to raise wages because of a tighter labor market. Illegal immigrants have brought down wages in industries from meat processing to construction. They’ve had a disastrous effect on working class wages, and there is no way Wise doesn’t know it. This is pure propaganda. He could at least be honest and try and make it a moral issue, like a Catholic Worker might, but he’s just flat out lying.

          We know that if that border is closed it isn’t going to be closed to capital. It isn’t going to be closed to goods. If you have a border that can be crossed by capital, looking for the highest return on investment or goods looking for the highest price, but labor is chained to its country of origin, how is that going to work for the benefit of working people? By definition, it doesn’t. By definition, it eviscerates the worker class. Divide and conquer.

          Chaining labor to its country of origin “eviscerates the worker class”? Is a form of “divide and conquer”? Is there any truth to this whatsoever? Who makes this claim besides assholes like Alan Greenspan? How on earth does restricting immigration eviscerate the native worker class?

          People like him who assume that their audience is stupid really piss me off.

        20. But as one black activist professor Boyce Watkins said, the U.S. is more of a capitalist society than it is a racist one. Those who control capital control the country.

          Therefore, I don’t see how you can end racism without first addressing class issues.

          Yes, this is what Adolph Reed says.

          Wise is telling the black bourgeoisie what it wants to hear. They don’t want to take down the oppressive system, they just want the same chance to exploit others as whitey.

          Same with the white bourgeoisie who buy his books. They think he can free them from the white guilt they feel, and then they can enjoy all their money and power in peace.

          The idea that racial resentment can be decreased at all in a society where 80% of the population have only 15% of the wealth is absurd.

        21. This whole paragraph is a ridiculous straw man argument, yes? No one claims that the open border is the only reason that wages suck, or that if the border were closed, that bosses would voluntarily give everyone a raise.

          Absolutely. Neither you nor I claim that immigration is the only reason for the plight of the average worker.

          We’re not saying that if the border were closed, everything would be wonderful.

          However, immigration certainly does play a negative role.

          Big strawman on his part.

          Chaining labor to its country of origin “eviscerates the worker class”? Is a form of “divide and conquer”? Is there any truth to this whatsoever? Who makes this claim besides assholes like Alan Greenspan? How on earth does restricting immigration eviscerate the native worker class?

          People like him who assume that their audience is stupid really piss me off.

          Yeah, I’m sorry, open borders nuts like him need to take some simple math or logic courses.

          If you increase the labor pool by a large margin, logically, wages aren’t going to increase, right? The more workers you have, the less you can pay them. If you try to raise the wages of workers while increasing the number of laborers, that just won’t work.

          And yes, even Boyce Watkins, an activist black professor who believes in “people of color” unity, was forced to admit that one of the reasons why wages haven’t risen is because of Mexican immigration.

          Also, Boyce Watkins is a professor of finance, so he knows a thing or two about this.

          Tim Wise, on the other hand, is a pseudo-intellectual. Only an idiot could take what he says about the economy seriously.

          His whole defense of open borders really reveals him for the bourgeois sleazebag that he his.

        22. then they can enjoy all their money and power in peace.

          I know. As I’ve said before, all this obsession on race privilege is a very convenient way for all these bourgeois anti-racist types (black, white, and brown) to avoid having to address their own class privilege.

          Will any of these people give up their class privilege anytime soon?

          I highly doubt it.

      4. Good stuff. Now quit whining about blacks, Robert, unless you are indulging in some bizarre game here that I don’t get.

        Abiezer or geezer or whatever you name is: All normal White people complain about Blacks. The difference is that regular Whites complain about Blacks, but don’t really hate them, and the real racist types complain about them and totally hate them.

        If you’re White and you don’t complain about Blacks, sometimes I think there must be something wrong with you.

        You have 2% Blacks in the UK, Abgeezer. Wait til you get 13% Blacks like we have, then you’ll be complaining too if you have any sense.

        That’s one of the things we do on here, complain about Blacks. That’s why liberals and the Left despise this site and refuse to come here. I’m “racist” you know. Oh boo hoo. Waa waa. Cry cry. I’m so wasist.

        This blog is like a journey into the soul of a typical US White liberal. It says stuff that most of them think but usually don’t dare say. This is the way most White liberals think about race if you get them alone in a room and put a few drinks in them. I’m convinced it is so because I’ve been around them my whole life and I know how they think.

        1. “This blog is like a journey into the soul of a typical US White liberal. It says stuff that most of them think but usually don’t dare say. ”

          I believe you here 100%. That’s why I said in that other post that you are like normal white guy next door type of racist. I think perhaps you’ve studied the issue of race more in depth than most whites, but as far as sentiment goes, I think you are pretty representative of most whites. I started reading the blog to see what whites say when blacks are not around.

        2. I started reading the blog to see what whites say when blacks are not around.

          That’s the same reason why I read blogs such as Abagond.

          Interesting to know what blacks say when we’re not around.

        3. I believe you here 100%. That’s why I said in that other post that you are like normal white guy next door type of racist. I think perhaps you’ve studied the issue of race more in depth than most whites, but as far as sentiment goes, I think you are pretty representative of most whites. I started reading the blog to see what whites say when blacks are not around.

          Exactly. You’re one of the few people who have actually figured me out. Most just say I don’t make sense, or I’m schizophrenic, or I’m crazy, or I’m contradictory, or this or not.

          None of those. This is how California racial liberals really think. Here in CA many folks are racial liberals, even hardcore Tea Party Republicans. They have Black friends, shut down a conversation that says something bad about Blacks, disallow racial slurs, etc. The Republican Party here in CA is not about race so much anymore. More about class.

          That’s exactly what I am. The White guy next door. Except he’s a liberal, supported the civil rights movement, voted for Obama, dated Black girls, had a father who taught in the ghetto, etc.

          White liberals aren’t a bunch of ranting PC Critical Race Theory nuts. I mean, on the surface, sure, we oppose racism, and it’s more obvious forms infuriate us. But you know, we move to all-White communities, put our kids in all-White schools…we get it. We do that for very good reasons, not to be racist dicks.

          1. Most people in this country are probably conflicted somewhat about race. It isn’t unique to liberal Whites.

  2. robert We also resent that in spite of how good we’ve been treating them in the past 20-30 years, getting better and better every year, we get no praise for it from Blacks

    robert I thought it was standard that you treat people well and with respect. why should that be rewarded. Should someone reward me if I raise our children well? If I have children aren’t I suppose to be a good parent or the best that I’m capable of because that’s what I’m suppose to do?

    1. I thought it was standard that you treat people well and with respect. why should that be rewarded.

      Right. It shouldn’t. I’m sure Robert expects to be treated with respect as a matter of course. Why shouldn’t black people expect the same thing?

      That’s what I meant by the Strom Thurmond thing. You’re talking like this is YOUR country, and they owe YOU something for simply allowing them to exist. Listen to yourself.

      Shit, man, you’re making me sound like Tim Wise. I am not liking this.

      1. You would think they would show some gratitude. Instead all we get is Abagond, “Whites are Evil” syllabi, etc. BTW, the whole Western Left is like Abagond. The Communist Party, Counterpunch, the Nation, all of them. It’s ridiculous.

        I like this Glen Ford guy, but he don’t look Black. He looks like Frank Zappa. Who says he’s Black anyway? He’s cool though. At least he shits on Cultural Marxism. All he talks about is economics, not fuck Whitey. Good man.

        This Adolf Reed guy is cool too. Same thing. The antiracism movement is a bunch of bourgeois bullshit.

        1. robert I like this Glen Ford guy, but he don’t look Black

          *chic noir puts on scary voice*

          Yes robert, some of us don’t look blk. some of us look Latino* or White. Think of charles rangel, Adam clayton powell III etc… Those of us who look like something else operate as spies. We go and tell the real chocolate about your secret agenda to rid the earth of them.

          *robert & BAG come up with a plan*

          [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8yFiam9260&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&border=1]

        2. Oh yes, Chic Noir, I’ve read “The Space Traders.”

          Very interesting and thought provoking thought experiment, by the way.

          I guess you could say that I’m an informant acting on behalf of white people. In addition to growing up in the Bay, I also read various black and anti-racist blogs.

          That way, I can let white people in on their secrets and prevent them from being sucker punched by these types.

          You could say I’m a spy.

          Muahaha! 🙂

        3. I think the problem is that you’re blaming the syllabi and fake-ass Western “left” on all black people themselves. The working class majority of black people have no control over shit like The Nation and Counterpunch. The so-called left is dominated by bourgeois, guilt-convulsed white people who project their psychodrama on all other white people.

          Glen is a light-skinned black guy, but I seriously doubt he’s ever been mistaken for white.

          Adolph Reed is right about the whiteness studies jazz:

          It reflects the social position of those positioned to benefit from the view that the market is a just, effective, or even acceptable system for rewarding talent and virtue and punishing their opposites and that, therefore, removal of “artificial” impediments to its functioning like race and gender will make it even more efficient and just.

          Perhaps because I deal mostly with working class people, I don’t have these experiences you’re describing. I read frustrate

          We need to be invaded by Chavez or by the Dutch socialists, LOL.

        4. Hmm, that’s an interesting analysis, LaFleur.

          Maybe a post analyzing the class aspects of this in greater detail is needed.

          Maybe I just need to hang around working class people more!

        5. I forgot to add that I got that video from nicole.

          Lol@ BAG. Don’t be surprised if some of those people are in fact not blk. People get up to all types of shenanigans online for shits and giggles. Remember those dying from cancer bloggers from a few years ago.

          You gonna be in a lot of trouble when they come for us and they try to take Kenya Moore right out of your arms.

        6. Lol@ BAG. Don’t be surprised if some of those people are in fact not blk. People get up to all types of shenanigans online for shits and giggles. Remember those dying from cancer bloggers from a few years ago.

          I don’t know. Why would someone do that? I wouldn’t make up my race, so why would they? Ah, who knows?

          By the way, who were those cancer bloggers?

  3. Maybe we just should have kept treating them like shit like we used to!

    I know, right?

    I mean, if we’re going to be seen as racist and bad no matter what we do, we might as well go back to being hard-ass racists and assholes, correct?

    At least that way, there’s no PC self-loathing on our part.

      1. I know, not very nice on my part.

        But my point is clear. Whites are demented and racist no matter how liberal and PC we try to be. Short of becoming radical anti-racists, we’re bad. End of story.

        Therefore, why shouldn’t we go all out and be white nationalists?

        I mean, we’re going to be seen as racist anyway, so why not at least be racist and pro-white at the same time?

        1. But my point is clear. Whites are demented and racist no matter how liberal and PC we try to be. Short of becoming radical anti-racists, we’re bad. End of story.

          Exactly BAG. You are 100% correct. I’m not going to become more racist, but I think Blacks are really exasperating.

      1. Well, hate is a strong word.

        Do I hate blacks? No.

        But do I dislike blacks in many ways? Sure.

        It has nothing to do with WN scientific racism or belief in black inferiority.

        They can just be a pain in the ass at times.

        From my experience, the best way to deal with angry blacks is to be blunt, honest, and uncompromising.

        Let them know that you mean what you say and that you mean business. This is a good strategy for dealing with edgy non-whites in general. It’s worked for me before.

  4. And another thing. This is addressed to my fellow white people, who need to listen up here.

    When a black person calls you a racist, do not, repeat, do not:

    1. Deny it.
    2. Point out your black friends, real or imagined.
    3. Insist that you only see people, not race.
    4. Point out that you voted for Barack Obama.

    etc.

    The best response is to simply laugh it off and say, “yeah, I’m a racist and proud of it,” or “racist simply means white person, so yep, I’m a racist,” or “you know what? I really don’t care!”

    It’s time to make that word lose its power.

    1. It’s also time to make the word “anti-Semite” lose its power. Just like “racist” means any white guy who’s not like Tim Wise, “anti-Semite” means anybody who refuses to kiss kosher ass and who points their malignant behavior and influence.

      1. You’re right, fpy.

        While some people are genuinely racist and awful, the words “racist” and “anti-semite” are simply shut-up terms used to intimidate anyone blacks or Jews don’t agree with or approve of.

        1. Of course good Jews such as Brother Kapner and Norman Finkelstein are referred to as “self-hating Jews” (ie., pro-mankind).

        2. Well, for non-Jews, yes.

          But if I were a Jew, I too would hate self-loathing Jews.

          Just as blacks ought to hate Uncle Tom’s.

          And whites Castrated Crackers (my term!).

          Etc.

        3. Actually BAG, to be honest, I would prefer a well-behaved, well-educated Uncle Tom over a thug any day, especially when I’m riding in a bus, eating a fast food joint etc.

        4. Oh yeah, on a personal level, I’ll take an Uncle Tom over a foul-mouthed baggy/sagging pants wearing DeShawn from Oakland any day.

          Still, deep down, I wouldn’t respect an Uncle Tom on account of him being a sellout.

          Of course, I wouldn’t respect DeShawn either, but that’s another story.

        5. Do you know of any blacks who are neither Uncle Toms nor ghetto trash? They seem to be extremely rare, maybe Farrakhan or Malcolm X.

        6. Yeah, in all fairness, I have known or observed a decent number of blacks who aren’t like that.

          But then again, with middle/upper middle class blacks who aren’t Uncle Tom’s or ghetto trash, you get the bourgeois angry Critical Race Theorist type.

          But yes, I can safely say that I’ve known blacks who are middle class, not Uncle Tom’s, and don’t buy into Critical Race Theory.

          (or at least they don’t let on that they buy into that)

          Also, even many middle class black kids dress and act ghetto, but that’s another story.

  5. Okay, I’m about to post a long and purposely redundant quote by James Edwards of The Political Cesspool from his book “Racism Schmacism” on what exactly blacks and their allies mean when they say “racist.”

    Just to better clarify:

    “A racist is a white person. Racist equals white person, and white person equals racist. All white people are racist, and they’re always racist, and they will always be racist.

    It doesn’t matter that you don’t have a hateful bone in your body, or that you believe all people should be treated equally by the law, and courteously by fellow man, no matter the color of his skin

    A racist is a white person. Racist equals white person, and white person equals racist. All white people are racist, and they’re always racist, and they will always be racist.

    It doesn’t matter how many black friends you have

    A racist is a white person. Racist equals white person, and white person equals racist. All white people are racist, and they’re always racist, and they will always be racist.

    It doesn’t matter how racially integrated your church is

    A racist is a white person. Racist equals white person, and white person equals racist. All white people are racist, and they’re always racist, and they will always be racist.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re a liberal or conservative, a Democrat or Republican

    A racist is a white person. Racist equals white person, and white person equals racist. All white people are racist, and they’re always racist, and they will always be racist.

    It doesn’t matter how much money you’ve given to the NAACP or the United Negro College Fund

    Got it?….So it’s hardly a surprise that most white people have no idea when they hear or see the word ‘racist’ in the media that the people using the word mean something far different than what the ordinary person understands the word to mean. When the talking heads on the cable channels, or the famous bloggers, or the columnists for the dinosaur newspapers talk about those evil racists out there, the average white person think they understand what is being said or written, but they don’t, because it hasn’t yet dawned on them that ‘racist’ has become code for ‘white.’

    Well it’s time we started understanding.”

    My take on this: Until my fellow white people read and understand this quote, they will be forever frustrated and confused when they hear the term “racist,” and will not know how to respond.

    I say it’s time we start learning.

      1. @ LaFleur

        Yeah, he is dodging the question. All he can do is go on a typical rant about evil white American racists and how they want to exploit poor brown people.

        @ Alpha

        How is that wrong? Explain.

      2. Nezua is a pushing a blatantly racial Hispanic politics. He’s engaging in ethnic warfare. We have a right to engage in ethnic warfare right back at him, using his same tactics.

        There’s nothing progressive about this. It’s barbaric ethnic grudge politics. Two ethnic groups fighting it out. They have a right to engage in revanchism, invade our country, retake the SW by numbers, and become a majority here. It’s about as progressive as a lot of the shit that was just going on in the Balkans. Actually, it’s sort of fascist-like in a way.

        1. Yet you think there is something inherently progressive in jewish tribalism and ethnic warfare?

          What do Nezua and blacks have to do with Jews? At least in this particular case?

          You make some good comments, but I don’t think now is the appropriate time to bring up Jews.

        2. They are part of this whole ethnic Balkanization process underway in this country. You can’t ignore them just becuz they are a small percentage of the general population.

        3. We have a right to engage in ethnic warfare right back at him, using his same tactics.

          You’re right.

          These black and Hispanic anti-racist types have declared war on us.

          In war, you don’t place nice with the enemy.

          We do indeed have every right to counterattack against these Nezua types.

      3. LaFleur, in many cases, particularly with these leftist bourgeois type blacks and Hispanics, they see themselves as black/Hispanic first, and whatever else second.

        For them, their leftist politics have nothing to do with real social justice or truly progressive politics.

        They’re just looking out for their people. Not saying I don’t blame them, nor am I saying that they shouldn’t push their group interests.

        I’m that way when it comes to my people, white people. Only difference is that I’m not posing as some humanitarian social justice leftist.

        Even Ruben Navarrette, a mainstream and generally moderate conservative pundit, inserts his Hispanic identity politics into articles.

        I don’t know if these types even care about truly poor and oppressed members belonging to their group.

        To me, they just want to secure a greater position for bourgeois blacks and Hispanics such as themselves.

        1. LaFleur, in many cases, particularly with these leftist bourgeois type blacks and Hispanics, they see themselves as black/Hispanic first, and whatever else second.

          To be honest, I’ve encountered this more with Latinos than I have with black people.

          For them, their leftist politics have nothing to do with real social justice or truly progressive politics.

          Yeah, his website makes that obvious. It’s just liberal identity politics posing as revolutionary thought. Hence the pitiful “action” at Netroots, which incidentally, Tim Wise attended and looked approvingly on. *smirk*

          They’re just looking out for their people. Not saying I don’t blame them, nor am I saying that they shouldn’t push their group interests.

          Neither am I.

          It’s just that if you look out for your own interests at all, or say you’re not coming from some towering height of all-powerful whiteness, they say you’re a white supremacist. These types don’t want to allow white people anything but self-negation. I won’t accept it.

          When he talks about “the most vulnerable”, it’s the oppression sweepstakes gambit and amounts to “only the needs of my people count”. He won’t come right out and say it, though. It’s all cloaked in this “intersectionality” and justice jazz.

    1. I don’t agree with this, BAG, though I do feel that real racists should just come right out and admit it. I mean what the Hell, you’re a racist, right? Admit it. It’s not so bad. There’s worse things to be.

      Now I will admit to some of their forms of fake racism like Liberal Racism, White Man’s Burden Racism, Scientific Racism, etc, but I don’t want to engage in what I call real racism, because I think it sucks. If anyone calls me that and I’m comfortable with what I said, I would shoot my comment back at them, and say, “If calling the Jena 6 animals makes me a racist, then I guess I must be a racist then.” Then just shrug my shoulders.

      I would not cop to the charge blanket-like, because what I think what I call White racism is fucked up shit. But a lot of those charges aren’t even real anymore. A lot of times, “racism” just means something Black people don’t want to hear.

      1. Yes, I am a racist, and I’m not going to apologize for it.

        However, the point of that quote was not to discuss me. The point was that even many white people who don’t think anywhere near like me get hit with this charge.

        Sure, you should call out the real racists. But when leftists rant about “aversive racists” and “fake liberals,” then that’s where they’re being silly.

        (I happen to criticize fake white liberals. But then again, I’m no anti-racist, am I?)

        1. A lot of times, “racism” just means something Black people don’t want to hear.

          Exactly what the quote was meant to illustrate.

          And besides, why is being a racist such a horrible crime?

          Murderers, crooks, and all sorts of low lives are held in higher regard than racists.

          Believe me, I could do much worse than simply being a racist.

          I’m white, am for my people, and will be against other groups when their interests conflict with white interests. And yes, in many ways, I also dislike them at times.

          Since that makes me a racist, I really don’t care.

          I’m a racist. So be it.

    2. I don’t know which “blacks and their allies” this guy thinks he knows, but I grew up with and around Black people. Various types of Black people.

      Black people do not believe that racist = White person and that White person = racist.

      Black people do not believe that all White people are racist, and that they always will be.

      They don’t.

      1. I really want to believe that, Alpha. I really do.

        But based on what I’ve heard certain black kids say growing up, and based on listening to what black scholars and leaders say, I don’t really see how my conclusion is false.

        Who knows? Maybe I’m still recovering from reading all those anti-racist blogs.

        Maybe it’s just a small, disgruntled group of black malcontents.

        I truly wish that were the case.

        1. I don’t know. Maybe just growing up in the most leftist and Culturally Marxist region of the country had a permanent impact on my thinking.

        2. You don’t see how your conclusion is false?

          You’ve heard some Black people say certain things, so your conclusion is that all Blacks agree with them? Or that all Blacks are basically the same? Are you serious?

        3. @ Alpha

          You know, I think my confirmation bias might have something to do with this.

          Whenever a black person conforms to certain views I have of blacks, that registers with me.

          But when a black person doesn’t fit a certain behavioral or political stereotype, then I don’t think about them as much.

          I never said I was a completely rational person.

          That’s just how I perceive things.

        4. Are you near a college area?

          Really, your area could be an influence. I’m from a blue collar area in the midwest, so maybe that’s why I can’t relate to some of what you’re saying.

        5. I was born and raised the East Bay Area. It’s a pretty yuppie and liberal area.

          I attended middle school in Oakland, which was very far to the left in its views.

          I like your views, LaFleur. Maybe I need to get to know some more working class types.

    3. “Black studies celebrates blackness, Chicano studies celebrates Chicanos, women’s studies celebrates women, and white studies attacks white people as evil.” David Horowitz

      1. While I generally think Horowitz is a lousy commenter and debater (he got his ass owned by Tim Wise in an online debate), and I also don’t respect neocons, his quote in this instance is correct.

        1. He used to be a radical leftist back in the 1960s, he was even affiliated with the Black Panthers. You have to be really mentally unstable to go from being a far-leftist to a imperialistic neocon.

        2. Yeah, well that’s what neocons are.

          Basically, they’re former Trostkyites who all of a sudden decided that it would be cool to become conservative.

          They’re not real conservatives, as I’m sure you already know.

        3. COINTELPRO infiltrated the 60s far left really quickly. My gut feeling, based on some things I’ve read, is that Horowitz was turned by the CIA very early on, or maybe even before he got involved with the Panthers.

          He was always a douche, and mentally unstable, though this quote is basically true.

        4. I think the reason is because Stalin started purging jewish influence in the USSR, and that awakened these Trotskyites that the time for being a commie has passed.

        5. But Stalin purged them during the 30s. They even caught up to Trotsky and hacked him to death in Mexico during the early 40s.

          These Trotskyites converted to “conservatism” during the late 60s and early 70s.

        6. Actually those purges in the 30s was just aimed at Stalin’s rivals, not necessarily at jews as a whole. The real jewish purge was from 1948 to 1953. And of course the 1967 Six Day War, when the Soviets supported the Arabs against Israel, was the final straw.

        1. Well Robert, let me clarify. I disagree with Horowitz on many things, and I see him as a turncoat.

          That being said, Horowitz often does make a good point. I had to sit through a “Latino Studies” class myself in college. They might as well have played a sad little violin during the whole thing. I felt dumber for having to have lived through the whole ordeal. There goes a semester worth of life I’ll never get back.

          My disagreements with Horowitz has more to do with the fact that he is a “Chicken Hawk.” He supported and supports several wars that are bankrupting our nation. He loves the idea of foreign wars, but never did bother to serve himself. Hence, my gut reaction to the man.

        2. I had to sit through a “Latino Studies” class myself in college. They might as well have played a sad little violin during the whole thing. I felt dumber for having to have lived through the whole ordeal. There goes a semester worth of life I’ll never get back.

          LOL!

          This is the kind of honesty you just can’t get on a lot of lefty sites.

          I agree that Horowitz is right on this, and as far as I know, only this issue. Happily, most of us on this forum do understand that the enemy of your enemy isn’t necessarily your friend.

        1. I’d like the US to be a normal country, not a murderous empire. The US use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus in Iraq is a Pol Pot-level war crime. Hasn’t the US done as much damage to Iraq as the Khmer Rouge did to Cambodia? However, few American, including so-called anti-racists, seem to give a shit! The people moaning about Mexican immigrants should be losing their shit over Iraqi kids with birth defects and cancer, but they’re not.

          (This is why a bourgeois “anti-racist” movement is such bullshit. The idea that white people all have to “work on our racism” before capitalism can be addressed, while US bombs are falling, is ridiculous.)

          Of course in a post-imperial US, our lifestyle would probably have to be scaled way back. How far back, I’m not sure. After all, didn’t Saddam want to sell us oil? Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just buy it from him than to invade and stay there forever? Also, I’m pretty convinced by arguments that peak oil will soon be upon us and that there are no real substitutes for cheap fossil fuels. What a post-imperial, post-peak oil American lifestyle would look like would be an interesting topic to discuss here.

          I like modern things like air conditioning and being able to jump in my car and go get a six pack anytime I want to, but I know we only have this great standard of living because of cheap fossil fuels, and imperialist, capitalist exploitation of the third world.

          That doesn’t mean I think anyone who wants to cross the US border should be able to. Could we just stop fucking with those countries, and leave them to their own devices? Is that a consistent view? I like a lot of things about American and Western culture, and I think we have the right to preserve it. Also, the current bourgeois liberal assumption that poor and working class Americans deserve to pay the entire tab for imperialism with our livelihoods makes me furious.

          The above mentioned war crime in Iraq, along with all the others, shows how ridiculous American anti-communist propaganda is. I doubt I would have enjoyed living in Stalin’s Russia, though I’m sure the US has done its share of cooking the books. I’m also aware that most Russians today have a positive view of Stalin.

          I think workers all over the world would probably be a lot better off if the USSR still existed, at least in some form. I’ve seen the polls from countries like Poland and East Germany where they say they were better off in the communist days. And frankly, there are some places like communist Hungary and Bulgaria where I’d probably be living a hell of a lot better than I am now.

          Also, the US empire would not have been able to stomp all over the world with such impunity were there a USSR to counterweight it.

        2. I agree with you 100% LaFleur. I’m impressed that an American citizen can be so open-minded. Most Americans have a knee-jerk negative reaction to the Soviet Union.

  6. Guys, I think we should all collectively ignore Tim Wise. He’s an annoying, self-righteous little prick for sure, but in the end, he does’t have much real world influence, and most people laugh at him. You have to be worried about people like Abraham Foxman, who actually has real influence and power, and who actively works to destroy free speech and freedom in genera in this country.

    1. FPY, you’re right.

      I just get so worked up sometimes.

      You’re certainly correct to insist that Abe Foxman is more dangerous. Unlike Wise, who is mainly on the fringe (in spite of a few CNN appearances), Abe Foxman actually exerts some influence in wider society.

    2. Before you write off Tim Wise and ignore him forever, you really ought to look up his debate with Jared Taylor on youtube. It’s pretty good.

      1. I did actually listen to his debate with Jared Taylor a while back.

        They both made valid points, but they also made some mistakes.

        Taylor didn’t do his homework on racial science/anthropology, which made him look bad.

        Wise couldn’t actually point out how diversity was actually a benefit. He couldn’t even refute the idea that diversity causes conflict.

        All he could say was that it was because of inequality and that diversity, without inequality, could be made to work.

        Not very reassuring if you’re trying to convince someone of the merits of diversity.

        But no, I wasn’t that impressed with Wise during that debate. An interesting debate nonetheless.

        1. I thought Taylor lost. I went in thinking Taylor might win, but I think Wise really chopped into his claims and had great rebuttals for all his points.

  7. That;s a shame. I’ll try and find another one. This is on that website.

    ‘What is Antisemitism today, two generations after the Holocaust? In his continuing exploration of modern Israeli life, director Yoav Shamir (Checkpoint) travels the world in search of the most modern manifestations of the “oldest hatred”, and comes up with some startling answers.
    In this irreverent quest, he follows American Jewish leaders to the capitals of Europe, as they warn government officials of the growing threat of Antisemitism, and he tacks on to a class of Israeli high school students on a pilgrimage to Auschwitz.
    On his way, Shamir meets controversial historian, Norman Finkelstein, who offers his unpopular views on the manner that Antisemitism is being used by the Jewish community and especially Israel for political gain. He also joins scholars, Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer, while they give a lecture in Israel following the release of their book “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”, about the disproportional influence the Israel lobby in Washington enjoys.
    Yoav visits Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial museum in Jerusalem, the must stop for all world leaders on their visits to Israel. While in Jerusalem, he drops by the house of his grandmother that offers her insight on the issue and declares that she is the “real Jew”.’

    Here’s a review by the UK’s leading Israeli anti-semite: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/defamation-must-be-seen-a-film-review-by-gilad-atzmon.html
    and this link might work better for you:
    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/defamation-the-first-20-min-on-youtube.html.

  8. We also resent that in spite of how good we’ve been treating them in the past 20-30 years, getting better and better every year, we get no praise for it from Blacks.

    >Begin treating blacks like human beings less than a generation ago.
    >Puzzled that they are not 100% effusive in their heartfelt praise of the White Man.

    lolwut?

    I’m down with Scientific Racism and White Man’s Burden and all that, but this is getting a bit ridiculous, Robert.

    1. David.

      I’m not saying that blacks ought to love us. They shouldn’t.

      However, that being said, they have it far better here than minorities in any part of the world.

      I mean, shit, things could be far worse for them. Believe me, for a oppressive majority and so-called “dominant group,” we’re pretty mild.

      Blacks should try being a minority in an Asian country.

    2. And yes, before someone counterattacks, I know they’ll point out that Asian countries never enslaved or colonized blacks in the first place (though China is now undergoing neocolonial adventures in Africa, but that’s another story).

      They’ll also point out that regardless of how nice we are to minorities relative to other places, that shouldn’t matter, because morality dictates that we must be nice to them in absolute terms.

      (funny, because these same types claim that working class whites are “privileged” just on account of being less mistreated than blacks, even though they’re not privileged in absolute terms)

      But yes, in relative terms, blacks and other groups here have more rights, opportunities, and an overall more secure status than minorities in any non-white country.

      And that is simply the truth.

  9. Bag I don’t know. Why would someone do that?

    trolls

    BAGI wouldn’t make up my race, so why would they?

    what’s more controversal than race in America. Trolls love drama and playing on emotions.

    By the way, who were those cancer bloggers?

    they are long gone. trolls playing on people’s emotions.

  10. I’m a white integrationist. I’m for integration to the extent that I feel whites in white countries should marry blacks to the extent that the blacks die out as a separate entity. That’s a very blunt way of putting it. Whites would also die out as a separate entity. we’d have “mixité”, a genuinely mixed race society.

    If I went to live in Senegal I would expect to learn Wolof and integrate, live by the values if the majority black society, not hang out in a ghetto of ex-colonial white French people, marry a Senegalese black girl, and have lovely coffee coloured children. Egalité, Fraternité, Mixité….

    Of course in reality this racial mixing is totally impractical. I wouldn’t force it on anyone. A milder version on the integrationist approach is that blacks integrate with the values of the majority. For this reason I accept the French position on making the wearing of the hijab in public illegal. Black French Muslim women have to abide by the secular values of the French white majority.

    Black intermarriage would enrich the white gene pool. Imagine if the USA was mostly white people, but instead of 13% blacks you had white people who had 13% black in their genetic makeup? That would be very satisfactory. “Mop’em up, Marry’em off and Wipe’em out”. A wicked thought? Not really. blacks would benefit from our genes and racial conflict would be diminished, because they’d disappear.
    We would benefit from black genes. Pure white people would also disappear. The more racial mixing the better. Mixed race people benefit from the strengths of both racial groups. That always been my view. So we’d all end a light shade of khaki, or slightly olive skinned. So what?

    Black ghettos are a terrible thing in white countries. Any kind of racial segregation is. Brixton is partly black ghetto. It can breed hatred, envy. to be honest I don’t really like living in all white city either. I’d prefer a mixture. Leicester is a great city. I really like going there. It’s very vibrant culturally, and racial conflict seems to be minimal. But then it”s 30% South Asian, 5% Black, 5% other Asian, and 60% white. The Asians integrate well, and are good business people. I get the impression Chinese/East Asian IQ is high. Koreans, Vietnamese, Chinese and Japanese. Is that your conclusion?

    On the question of differential and lower black intellectual ability, and its inheritability, I remain agnostic because I haven’t seen the evidence. The blacks I’ve met have all been very bright – PhD types – with the exception of the Trinidadian woman friend I know, who isn’t intellectual at all. She’s affectionate and sexy as hell though. I would. She always has white boyfriends. She’s figured it out. She goes for white men because in her experience they (we) are more civilised and treat her better than her own kind. She had two black (one from Ghana, one from Trinidad) husbands before that. They both abused her and were violent. Anecdotal, I know…

    1. “Mop’em up, Marry’em off and Wipe’em out”. A wicked thought? Not really. blacks would benefit from our genes and racial conflict would be diminished, because they’d disappear.

      Hmm. As commenter Thaddeus points out, that was the strategy adopted by many organized Brazilian racists back in the day.

      The idea is that you keep on encouraging race mixing, encourage white immigration, and eventually the black phenotype will disappear.

      Quite the opposite of the One Drop Rule, it believes in ending the black race through breeding.

        1. Although that would apply more to Indians than blacks.

          Even in the U.S, the One Drop Rule was never meant to apply to Indians.

  11. Rarely do I ever feel the need to respond when I read something that sounds as outlandish as this blog. Let me say, this is blog is truly the triumph of ignorance. To say that a black person should be grateful for 20 to 30 years of opportunity is tantamount to saying, that the hog should be grateful to the farmer for fattening him up. To say that 20 or 30 years of “equality” can erase the 100 previous years of inequality is an arrogant statement. Your hypothesis would be more plausible if this was the year 2081 and we can then review equality. Second flaw in your argument centers about the fact that you seem to lament that as you put it whites don’t get credit for the things they have done for blacks. No one should be awarded, applauded or given recognition for doing that which they should naturally. Equality and treating your fellow person as you would treat yourself isn’t a black or white issue, it is a Biblical mandate. As far as blacks wanting or waiting to see how whites exist when they are in the minority cannot be justified either but it certainly doesn’t render one an ingrate. Rather, it is rooted in injustices that took place prior to those 20 or 30 years ago that you comment on. This country has never dealt with racism and it’s effects. As a black man there are code words that are used to describe an educated black person, those code words signal to a black person the intolerance of the other group. Words such as ingrate, socialist, and uppity among others I take great umbrage when I hear them. I will leave you with this, I live in the South and there are streets here named Plantation Drive, Plantation Street, some southern states even celebrate Confederate Day, while there are subdivisions named Lost Plantation. I was once asked to join the Plantation Club and when I politely informed the gentleman that the Plantation was never a club for my kind he quickly retreated. There are no Auschwitz Avenues or Auschwitz Club nor is there an Internment Street, or a Dago Subdivision. If we are to genuinely have a discussion about being an ingrate, then genuinely have a discussion about why someone may feel that way.

    1. No one should be awarded, applauded or given recognition for doing that which they should naturally.

      Well no.

      But then again, since when is treating members of an outsider group equally natural?

      I cannot really think of any human society where outsider groups are naturally treated in the same way as the majority group.

      Anyone?

      1. Uh, there’s such a thing as the Constitution, and as long as blacks were citizens, they were legally entitled to be treated the same as the “insider” group.

        1. The Constitution was written by whites, for whites. It did not have blacks in mind.

          And once again, that is precisely the problem with a diverse society.

        2. Well okay, there was the 3/5 compromise and other parts that did have blacks in mind, but believe me, the founding fathers did not envision a multiracial rainbow where everyone lived in equality and harmony.

        3. Does the Constitution apply to Blacks?

          See my comment below.

          Yes, it technically is supposed to protect all those who are citizens.

          However, you have to look at the Constitution in context. It was written by whites, for whites.

        4. Well, yes.

          However, the point I am trying to make is that you don’t see at any other time in history majority groups or insider groups extending the same rights and protections to outsider groups.

          The very fact that whites have tolerated this multiracial experiment to the extent that they have is amazing, and rather foolish if you ask me.

          Sure, it may not be cause to jump for joy, but blacks should also recognize that as a minority, things could be much, much worse.

          I cannot think of any non-western country that treats its minorities better than we do.

        5. I mean, blacks are always complaining about fake white liberals and “colorblind racists.”

          Even PC liberals are bashed frequently.

          Hey blacks, just a question: Would you rather we go back to being Jim Crow style bigots? I mean, that way, at least we’re not “speaking with a forked tongue,” right?

          1. If you want to be a Jim Crow style bigot, there’s not a Black person in America who could stop you.

          1. Nobody really cares what kind of bigot you are. As long as you keep the hell off my constitutional rights, knock yourself out.

        6. “Hey blacks, just a question:”

          We have a problem here already. By your words you apparently think blacks speak with one voice. I don’t even answer questions posed in such a way. I only answer for myself.

        7. By your words you apparently think blacks speak with one voice.

          Well, I hate to say it, but blacks by far are the most monolithic of all racial groups.

          At least judging by their voting patterns (and yes, I know the reasons they offer for this. Ie. Republicans are neo-confederates, we’re choosing the lesser of two evils, etc).

          Only Jews are more monolithic.

          Sure, there’s diversity of opinion within black America. But not as much compared to other groups.

        8. Sure, blacks vote almost entirely democrat, but there are reasons for that. 40 years of the Southern Strategy for one thing. And with the Tea Party and Republican party becoming increasingly indistinguishable, I don’t expect that to change. What black in his right mind is going to share a tent with the likes of Glenn Beck?

          I’m not making a pitch for Democrats either. I have no party affiliation.

        9. Well yes, I did mention that there are reasons for blacks voting Democrat.

          Still, it is an indisputable fact that they are the most monolithic group, at least by voting patterns.

        10. Also, it probably going to be true that the majority group will always be the more diverse in opinion. You will see lots of diversity in political opinion amongst Nigerians in Nigeria as to what to do with Nigeria. Some want revolution, some support the status quo, some are Christian, some Muslim, some tribal, class differences and everything in between.

          If there were a small white minority living in Nigeria, especially if they have a history of persecution, their diversity in political opinion would probably be much less than that of the Nigerians, since all politics would be filtered through race and that’s one thing they all share.

        11. Also, it probably going to be true that the majority group will always be the more diverse in opinion. You will see lots of diversity in political opinion amongst Nigerians in Nigeria as to what to do with Nigeria. Some want revolution, some support the status quo, some are Christian, some Muslim, some tribal, class differences and everything in between.

          Hmm, interesting point. Perhaps that’s just a minority thing in general.

          Although even compared to Hispanics and Asians, blacks are more monolithic in their voting patterns and opinions.

          Further study is needed.

    2. You know what’s hilarious is I know this guy. We used to talk online and via email constantly. And we talked on the phone a lot too.

      We were supposed to do some work for him on a website for his lawyer business but HE FLAKED OUT ON ME. YOU LISTENING JOE?

      I haven’t talked to him in several years, but I used to know him quite well. I wonder if he wants anything to do with me anymore LOL. I sent him an email. I wonder if he writes back. He’s an attorney in Savannah, Georgia who makes very good money. He’s got some pretty “race realist” attitudes about his own kind, too, I might add, but it would be fair to discuss them here.

      HEY JOE! REMEMBER ME? IT’S BOB, YOUR HONKEY-ASS WHITE FRIEND FROM CALIFORNIA?

      LOL, he should come out here to California and kick my ass for writing this post.

  12. And ending the white race too, by implication. What’s the one drop rule?

    It isn’t racist. I’m advocating cross breeding, what used to be called miscegnation. It’s happening in Tibet now. Han Chinese are cross breeding with ethnic Tibetans.

  13. Wise is telling the black bourgeoisie what it wants to hear. They don’t want to take down the oppressive system, they just want the same chance to exploit others as whitey.

    Same with the white bourgeoisie who buy his books. They think he can free them from the white guilt they feel, and then they can enjoy all their money and power in peace.

    Yes, yes, a million times yes!

    Damn you hit this on the head so perfectly. Wow!

  14. I don’t take any position on who people should or shouldn’t marry. It’s a very personal and individual decision.

    1. You don’t get it do you tulio.

      Orders from White Central Control are YOU MUST MARRY A WHITE WOMAN IN ORDER TO WIPE OUT YOUR RACE AND DEAL WITH THE BLACK PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.

      That is an order, sir.

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