How the PC Left Utterly Fails in Their Analysis of US White Racism

99% of White nationalists are virulent racists. There are a few that don’t hate certain races. Among the milder crowd, quite a few don’t hate NE Asians. There’s little hatred for SE Asians either. A few are even married to NE or SE Asians. Most in the US don’t seem to care about US Native Americans, and some don’t even mind Hispanics. Quite a few US White nationalists have a small amount of Native American ancestry.

However, all US White nationalists completley hate Blacks. The hatred of Blacks and to a lesser extent Jews is what the whole project is all about.

Supposedly there are a few who don’t hate other races, but just want to be left alone, but I don’t think I’ve ever met one. Sure, it’s possible.

White nationalism is the far end of White racism in the US. White racism is a continuum, ranging from extremely mild to full blown Nazis. What pisses me off about antis, Race Traitor magazine and Abagond types is that they insist that all White racism is the same. We’re all the same. We’re all racist. Those of us who are a tiny hint racist are just as evil as the KKK guys. It’s all the same thing. The only Whites who get a pass are the Race Traitor mag types.

In this way, these people totally fail in their analysis of White racism in the US. Yes, the idiots who devote their lives to the study of racism in the US (which only means White racism, since that’s the only kind of racism that exists) have totally and completely failed at this analysis. It’s hard to imagine how they could have failed in a worse way.

The far end White Supremacists often understand White racism quite well, and you can often read well-articulated and thought-out analyses on their sites. Where they error is only in thinking that most US Whites are open to their project. Not over our dead bodies, guys.

White racism exists in the US. Sure. In fact, I think that the overwhelming majority of US Whites are racist to some slight degree at least.

A coherent analysis of White racism would be an interesting sociological project. Maybe someone ought to take it up?

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  1. There’s little hatred for SE Asians either. A few are even married to NE or SE Asians. Most in the US don’t seem to care about US Native Americans, and some don’t even mind Hispanics. Quite a few US White nationalists have a small amount of Native American ancestry.

    Spot on.

    I watched a documentary on the Aryan Brotherhood, and one of the co-founders or leaders was part Jewish.

    On one arm, he had a Swastika tattoo, and the Star of David on another.

    One of the AB’s main soldiers who helped lead its rise to power was part American Indian.

    The AB allows mixed race whites to join, and they even have an alliance with the Mexican Mafia.

    I guess the AB isn’t typical of WN’s since they’re a prison gang and focus more on typical, non-racial crimes, but what they do have in common wish WN’s is their hatred for blacks.

    Most WN’s don’t seem to focus much of their venom on Asians, Indians, and even Muslims.

    Most of their rage is directed at blacks, Jews, and to a lesser extent Hispanics.

    You don’t really see people on Amren complaining about Asians that much.

    We’re all racist. Those of us who are a tiny hint racist are just as evil as the KKK guys.

    Exactly.

    I think this kind of mentality encourages certain whites to become WN’s.

    After all, if you’re racist and bad no matter what you do, might as well go all out and become a vicious WN, right?

    All these rants against “colorblind/aversive racists” are foolish.

    You see, when it comes to winning over whites, WN’s have an advantage over anti-racists. They’re trying to win over whites using pro-white rhetoric.

    Anti-racists, on the other hand, try to win over whites by insulting them.

    Yeah, that real smart: tell the people you hope to convert that they’re demented pieces of shit and that you are an expert on their lives and their only savior.

    Robert, I don’t see how you can be a pro-white advocate and still classify yourself as an anti-racist. Most people in the anti-racist movement despise whites and seek to do away with them.

    1. “You don’t really see people on Amren complaining about Asians that much”

      I think that has to with Asians only being 5% of the population or less. If we woke up tomorrow and America was 50% Chinese, it might be another story.

    2. Robert, I don’t see how you can be a pro-white advocate and still classify yourself as an anti-racist

      Real simple. I’m opposed to racism in general. What’s so bad about that? It’s a perfectly legitimate way to feel. And BTW, most Whites I know feel the same way, even if they are a tiny bit racist themselves. They are just opposed to the real out-front type of racism that most folks think of as real racism. The colorblind racism / aversive racism shit isn’t even really racism. It’s nothing.

      Most people in the anti-racist movement despise whites and seek to do away with them.

      I’m not in the “anti-racist movement” and I want nothing to do with those tools. Nor do most of the Whites I know who are personally opposed to overt racism. These shitheads barely speak for anything. They certainly do not speak for the average anti-racist / non-racist White person I know.

    3. You know what the truth, BAG? 99% of the assholes calling themselves pro-White are a bunch of racist shits. It’s almost to the point where I’m wondering if I even want to be “pro-White.” What does it mean anyway. I mean, I love myself and I love my people and I don’t want me or my people to get fucked over, but nowadays, “pro-White” just seems to mean “out to fuck over the non-Whites.” Screw that. I ain’t down with that.

      I love my people, but I don’t hate the other groups at all. They’re OK too. We’re all OK.

      1. Actually white nationalists are pretty isolationist with regards to invading and bombing other countries Robert. That doesn’t sound like “fuck over non-Whites.”

        1. Actually white nationalists are pretty isolationist with regards to invading and bombing other countries Robert.

          So true.

          The late Sam Francis, the philosopher king of WN’s, was strongly opposed to American imperialism/invasions of other countries.

          He even wrote an article following 9/11 that sounded like it could have come out of a Jeremiah Wright sermon.

          http://www.vdare.com/francis/why_they_attack.htm

          Compared to white neocon and liberal leaders, WN’s have done far less damage to non-whites.

          I’ll take a WN over a neocon or liberal any day.

  2. “A coherent analysis of White racism would be an interesting sociological project. Maybe someone ought to take it up?”

    It’s been done already. Many times. People have been writing about the subject since slavery. The Tim Wise/Eric Michael Dysons are just the updated edition. But it’s been done. Most whites don’t wanna hear it though.

    1. And also Asians come across as pretty low key. They aren’t an easy people to hate. Though I may not be crazy about the rudeness and aloofness of Chinese people and their record of human rights and animals rights and eating dogs and such.

    2. I don’t think so.

      Like I said, the whole modern version of the movement is these Tim Wise/Abagond fuckinig *lunatics*. This crowd apparently insists that all Whites are racist except for a divine few. Not only that, but all White racism and all White racists are the same! WTF man. The millions of Whites are slightly racist are afflicted with the very same illness that the KKK is. Furthermore, such persons are exactly the same as William Pierce and the skinheads. WTF!

      You call that a fucking coherent analysis? That’s total horseshit. Can’t they figure out that White racism is a vast continuum, ranging from so incredibly mild that it’s almost imperceptible to out and out Nazis? These tools just don’t get it. What a bunch of ideological fucktards.

      1. I think most whites are racist, but it’s complicated because I do believe in the continuum model of white racism. Racism in most people’s mind automatically means the KKK end of the spectrum. So when you say someone is racist, they automatically think you are associated with virulent hatred.

        Racism often has nothing to do with hate at all. It could be just bias that you carry around where you may assume more negative qualities about person X or view their behavior as worse than it is because they are part of a certain group. You might also give a member of a different group the benefit of the doubt. It might mean that you’re less likely to vote for certain people in a high profile election if they are the “wrong” color, or give them a higher bar to jump over. Things like that. Look at all this race crap going on with the Tea Party movement. Racism as a movement may be dead and confined to the fringes of society, but racism as a behavioral trait is pretty widespread, and not only with whites of course. I got called some pretty nasty stuff by Hispanics too growing up as a kid.

        1. But Tulio, that’s the thing.

          Blacks know that whites think of racism as a KKK/Stormfront type affair, even though they themselves have a different definition.

          So when they call white people racists, they’re just using it as a rhetorical smear, because they know that white people regard it as a loaded term.

          That’s why whites need to resolve not to be intimidated by the term anymore. Laugh at and ridicule the term racist to the point where it’s irrelevant.

          Besides, going by the black definition of racist, what’s really wrong with being racist? We’re a tribal, prejudiced species by nature. We’re more likely to favor our own group and distrust outsiders.

          What is really wrong with that?

          I know, they’ll point out all of the horrors that have resulted from hardcore racism.

          And yes, they’ll point out how even subtle biases poison our institutions, collectively devalue black life, give tacit approval to discrimination, etc.

          But really, this “aversive racism” is really just human nature applied to race.

        2. “Besides, going by the black definition of racist, what’s really wrong with being racist? We’re a tribal, prejudiced species by nature. We’re more likely to favor our own group and distrust outsiders.

          What is really wrong with that? ”

          That’s bull. People aren’t born racist anymore than they are born Christian or born Republican. It’s learned behavior. Now people are by nature social pack animals and always have “ingroups” and “outgroups” whether it’s a different tribe, nation, religion or whatever. But there’s nothing in our genes that makes us hate other races right out of the womb. Kids will freely play and mingle with kids of other races unless they are taught not too.

        3. Yes Tulio, I know that race is a “social construct.”

          But so are all other forms of identity. Does that mean we ought to outlaw them as well?

          Race is just one of many cleavages (no, not the tit kind) in human history.

        4. I didn’t say race is a social construct. I do believe race exist. But I don’t think people are born with any hatred of other races. I think it’s learned behavior. I remember as a kid being aware that in my very multi-ethic class there were blacks, whites, Hispanics, Persians, Armenians, Chinese, etc but I never assigned into importance to it. I viewed it with the importance that a white may view another white with a different hair or eye color. You recognize it but it serves no real importance to you as a dividing line. I think that’s how kids see race.

    1. I guess it’s “ok” as long as it’s a white man with an Asian woman. But let it be an Asian man with a white woman and all hell breaks loose. The white racists are loving the whole Tiger Woods debacle.

        1. He’s only like 20% black right? Is that all it takes to be black? His mom is full Thai, his dad is a mix of white, black and Native American.

        2. Don’t know. I laugh when I hear that word sometimes. A lot of liberal Whites do. Like a little nervous laugh. The word is taboo, so it’s funny.

          His name is Tiger.
          He’s part-Black.
          Nigger sounds similar to Tiger.
          So it’s funny.

          Yeah I laugh at racist jokes. So shoot me. A LOT of White liberals do. Trust me on that one. If the doors are closed, they are drinking and no one can hear.

  3. Here’s how white people have to deal with the term “racist.”

    Don’t deny it, don’t try to defend yourself, don’t argue, don’t mention your one black friend.

    Simply laugh it off. Say “yeah, I’m a racist and proud of it,” or “racist simply means white person, so yep, I’m racist!”

    As long as white people try to defend themselves against the charge and insist that it’s not true, they’ll remain on the defensive, which only renders them vulnerable.

    Besides, non-whites (blacks in particular) will never buy white peoples’ defenses, so they only make themselves come across as dishonest hypocrites (ie. “colorblind racists”) when they do so.

    It’s time for us to make the big bad R word lose its power. It’s time for us to embrace our whiteness and stand up.

    1. I agree with this to some extent, but I always rephrase it according to the accusation. What was it I said that caused that person to call me racist?

      If saying “a Black a block, spread em out and civilize em” means I’m racist, then I must be racist. (Note: It also means I’m an integrationist)

      If noting that towns that go almost totally Hispanic are pretty much Mexico-fucked means I’m racist, then I guess I must be a racist.

      If saying that IQ scores indicate that your average Black is less intelligent than your average White makes me racist, then I guess I must be a racist.

      Etc etc.

      I’m not ready to just claim the racist mantle, mostly because I think that real, true, meaningful racism is a bunch of shit. But I do like to rephrase the accusation like that.

      I readily admit to certain kinds of bullshit racism, like White Man’s Burden Racism, liberal racism and scientific racism.

      1. Could you please address my comment? You said WNs were out to harm non-whites, yet they do not want to bomb and invade other countries like the neocon/liberal elite whites do.

        1. Good point.

          After all, if racism = prejudice plus power, as all anti-racists believe, then how can WN’s really be racist?

          They have zero power in wider society. WN’s didn’t bomb Iraq. WN’s don’t support and defend the apartheid state of Israel. WN’s don’t actually have any real power to discriminate against non-whites.

          That’s why organizations such as the ADL (to clarify, I hardly think that they’re anti-racists like Tim Wise, though they both are Jewish) are so lame. They spend all of their energy attacking fringe neo-nazis, people with no power in society, while supporting Israel, a murderous regime that attacks Palestinians with white phosphorus.

          Believe me, the crimes of neo-nazis and other WN’s are far less than non-WN crimes.

        2. I think he just pays lip service to anti-Zionism, so that way he doesn’t come across as a hypocritical anti-racist.

          He also completely denies Jewish power and influence, and thinks that the notion of Jewish power is some false Stormfront type conspiracy.

        3. By the way BAG, that’s because ADL is a fundamental pillar of the Jew establishment in America. It may seem lame to an objective observer, but they’re just dedicated to quashing any dissent against the ruling plutocratic parasites.

  4. Racism when applied properly, can be a form of constructive criticism.

    On the other hand I think ‘white supremacy’ should be replaced with ‘white nationalism’. North-East Asians have higher average IQ’s than Whites, but this is highly speculative. Many of those IQ results are not only outdated but culturally biased.

    1. Come on, you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
      Many blacks claim their low IQ’s come from culturally biased and outdaded tests and that the SAT Verbal is culturally biased.

      1. What I find fascinating about the whole “cultural bias” argument regarding poor black academic performance is that it contradicts one of the fundamental anti-racist beliefs.

        Anti-racists constantly claim that blacks are authorities on white peoples’ lives, because they have to “intimately understand” white people, white culture, and white racism in order to survive and make it.

        In fact, due to their need for such understanding, they know more about white culture and white people than whites themselves do!

        At the same time, when blacks perform poorly on the SAT or in the classroom, we’re always hearing that it’s because schools are “culturally biased.”

        You know, biased in favor of white people and white culture, the same white people and culture of which blacks supposedly have such a great understanding.

        Either blacks are experts on white people as anti-racists claim, or schools and the SAT aren’t culturally biased.

        Pick one.

  5. In fact here’s a complete list of ethnic Jews whom I deeply admire and respect and have no hatred for whatsoever:

    1) Bobby Fischer
    2) Benjamin Freedman
    3) Israel Shamir
    4) Henry Makow
    5) Gild Atzmon
    6) Brother Nathanael Kapner (the fucking man)
    7)Israel Shahak

    1. As a former chess player, I too respect Bobby Fischer.

      And Brother Nathanael is fucking badass and hardcore. Sure, in his overzealousness, he claims that certain non-Jews are Jews.

      But man, Brother Nathanael’s awesome nonetheless.

      I think you would also like Norman Finkelstein, whom I actually saw speak at my university.

      1. Is Norman critical of aspects of Jewish power other than Israel/Zionism? Such as financial swindling a la Goldman Sachs and cultural and social degradation?

        1. No, I don’t think so.

          However, when asked about rising anti-semitism as a result of Israel, his answer would satisfy you.

          Finkelstein argues that rising anti-semitism is only a rational response to the crimes of Israel. He in fact claims that what’s surprising isn’t rising anti-semitism, but the fact that it’s not that intense, especially considering the fact that most Jews and mainstream organizations support Israel.

          After all, if American aggression in Vietnam and Iraq, installing dictators in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East, and other forms of imperialism create anti-American sentiment, then is it that surprising that the crimes of Israel, a self-described Jewish state that’s constantly defended as a Jewish state by the ADL, causes an increase in anti-semitism?

        2. Why is it wrong to have a Jewish state? Does anyone get angry that Saudi Arabia is an officially Muslim state where Jews and Christians are unwelcome?

        3. @ Tulio

          A Jewish state in and of itself is not wrong.

          What annoys me is the hypocrisy of American Jews, who insist on Israel’s right to enjoy a nationalistic and Jewish state, while simultaneously pushing diversity and multiracialism on whites.

          In other words, they’re hypocrites. It’s okay for them to be pro-Jewish, support a Jewish state, and even get this nation tangled in Middle Eastern messes to support that Jewish state.

          But should a white person even oppose illegal immigration, then by god they’re racist xenophobes.

        4. Does anyone get angry that Saudi Arabia is an officially Muslim state where Jews and Christians are unwelcome?

          Well Tulio, I wouldn’t exactly say that Saudi Arabia is looked kindly upon.

          And while many people might not be outraged, we’re frequently hearing in the media about how barbaric these Muslim societies are (ie. stoning women for adultery or even getting raped, religious intolerance, fanaticism/fundamentalism, etc).

          The difference is that there’s not a powerful Arab American lobby that fights for an imperialistic foreign policy while espousing Cultural Marxism at home.

    2. I know about Fischer and Brother Nathanael.

      The rest I don’t really know much about.

      Paul Gottfried is one of the very few Jewish paleocons out there. I’d add him to the list.

        1. I swear to God BAG, if most Jews were like the people on the list, I’d be the most
          philo-Semitic person on this Earth.

        2. I swear to God BAG, if most Jews were like the people on the list, I’d be the most
          philo-Semitic person on this Earth.

          Lol!

          Yeah, the same could be said about any group.

          If all blacks were like Larry Elder and Clarence Thomas, most whites would love black people (except for certain liberals, such as my dad, who despise Thomas’ right wing views).

          If all whites were like Tim Wise and Robert Jensen, black people would love them.

          Unfortunately, not everyone can be a traitor who endears himself to the other side.

          While I like Brother Nathanael and Paul Gottfried for their views, at the same time I kinda have some contempt because they sold out (although I really admire Gottfried’s work and regard him as a great intellectual).

          Similarly, I have zero respect for Uncle Toms, not matter how much they kiss white ass.

          Or Uncle Tomahawks, such as David Yeagley.

          Or Tio Tacos, such as Linda Chavez.

          Or Twinkies, such as Michelle Malkin.

          Traitors of all races are scum.

        3. But since Jews are the elite, isn’t it more honorable to side with the people rather than a member of a weak group selling out to the elite?

        4. No, traitors are traitors.

          Although from a purely pro-Jewish perspective, Jews should be against Israel, because Israel exposes Jewish liberals for the hypocrites that they are, adds brown Muslims to their list of enemies, and makes people world wide question their loyalties and regard them with suspicions.

          That makes me think. In addition to despising traitors such as Robert Jensen, I also hate white neocons who kiss Jewish neocon/Israeli ass.

          These white people are willing to help undermine this country in order to appease neocon elites.

          Despicable.

        5. Yes, I certainly understand where your Asian nationalist anger comes from.

          I’m also glad that you’ve decided to temper your language regarding Jews.

          Don’t you notice that you don’t get attacked as much anymore?

          Sometimes it’s not what you say, but how you say it.

          That’s a valuable lesson I’m still trying to perfect.

        6. Speaking of language, I think calling self-hating Asians “twinkies” as opposed to “gooks” would be better.

          “Gook” comes across as harsh and is rough on the ears.

          Even “zipperhead” would be better.

        7. from a purely pro-Jewish perspective, Jews should be against Israel, because Israel exposes Jewish liberals for the hypocrites that they are, adds brown Muslims to their list of enemies, and makes people world wide question their loyalties and regard them with suspicions.

          This is actually the Chomsky line on Israel. He is anti-Zionist for pro-Jewish reasons. It actually makes a lot of sense. If Israel didn’t exist (or existed in some vastly mitigated sense) it would pretty much clear the way socially for Jews to continue their traditional capital buildup with much less oversight. The continual shenanigans of Israel focuses the world limelight on International Jewry.

        8. It’s a shame it took the creation of a nation-state to put the spotlight on Jewry. I mean, they’ve been acting detrimentally way before Israel was even created.

        9. they’ve been acting detrimentally way before Israel was even created.

          They’ve acted in their own self interest, yeah, but I don’t think it’s clear that the Jews are naturally any more self-interested, self-advancing, or conniving than other ethnic group. I don’t think there is any individual or group that doesn’t want to better their own lot.

          The problem with the Jews is that they have simply been brutally more successful than most other groups in competition for resources, to the point that they usually start economically and culturally dominating whatever host nation they take up residence in within a few generations (ethnic Chinese do a similar thing in Asian nations such as Malaysia and Thailand). Much of it probably has to do with the fact that they have a higher average IQ combined with cognitively-intensive cultural habits.

          I personally think a good solution to the Jewish Question would be to simply ban them from Banking, Politics, and a few other select professions (I’m sure you and BAG would advocate banning them from the Media as well), but let them roam free in certain academic and socially useful professions like doctors, engineers, researchers, etc.

        10. The Byzantine Empire banned them from banking, politics, and it worked pretty damn well. By the way, the ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia may be economically dominant, but they don’t try to social engineer and brainwash, corrupt the host society they live in.

        11. I think the Soviet Union after 1945 also allowed Jews to roam free as doctors, engineers, scientists etc., but banned them from military leadership, intelligence, and top government posts.

        12. the ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia may be economically dominant, but they don’t try to social engineer and brainwash, corrupt the host society they live in.

          Exactly.

          The ethnic Chinese as minorities in other Asian countries just want to make money and lay low.

          Unlike Jews in the U.S, they’re not seeking to corrupt and influence Malaysia’s foreign policy or attempting to brainwash them with Cultural Marxism and neoconservatism.

          If Jews would simply lay low and enjoy themselves (which they certainly could have done as a result of guilt generated by the holocaust), and stop trying to influence every damn thing, they wouldn’t be on peoples’ hit list.

        13. Nope, just a independent thinking white guy.

          By the way, too add on to the statement that Chinese and other successful Asian minorities do not foment the same problems that Jewish minorities do, just look at the U.S.

          Asian Americans (particularly Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) are the best educated and most financially successful minority, just behind Jews.

          (of course, they do face certain discrimination, such as demeaning media stereotypes and suspicion that they are “perpetual foreigner,” but that’s another story)

          And yet, you don’t see Asian Americans don’t become lobbyists who get the U.S. to fight wars in Tibet or other parts of Asia on behalf of China.

          Comparing successful Asian minorities to Jewish minorities isn’t an accurate comparison.

        14. Most Jews in America come from eastern Europe, and you said they look white to you, so do you think they are Slavs? Most Jews I’ve seen look more like Greeks or Armenians than Russians and Ukrainians.

  6. By the way BAG, one thing that has always pissed me off about the “Chosen Ones” was that they expected and encouraged other peoples to sell out their own kind while maintaining fierce ingroup solidarity amongst their own

    1. Paul Gottfried talks about this in detail.

      What’s interesting is that he’s not anti-Israel per se (make of this what you will).

      He just finds it hypocritical the way Jewish liberals and neocons support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, but insist that whites must open up their borders and permit their displacement.

      He also notes that Israel supported apartheid South Africa over the ANC.

      Why do you think that South Africa generated so much outrage that even your common person regards apartheid South Africa with scorn, but only activists and fringe groups condemn Israel?

      I’d bet my life that if the Israelis were white, and the Afrikaners Jewish, South Africa would not have been subjected to similar U.S condemnation and sanctions.

      1. But does Paul support the Israel lobby getting Americans to fight and die for Israel? I’d be the biggest Zionist in the world if all Jews (and I mean all) moved to Israel for good and stopped their interference and control of Gentile nations’ institutions. South Africa was run by northern European Gentiles, the Boers, who were closely related ethnically to Germans, while people still view Israelis and Jews as primarily victims.

        1. But does Paul support the Israel lobby getting Americans to fight and die for Israel

          No, I don’t think he does.

          The thing about Paul Gottfried is that he’s a palecon. Paleocons believe in nationalism, and Gottfried thus has no problem with Israeli Jews supporting Israel as a Jewish state, or with Israeli Jews fighting to preserve their Jewish state.

          What annoys him is the way American Jews support Israel, get us involved in their mess, while simultaneously denouncing all forms of white consciousness and group interests.

        2. I see. What do you think of my theory that the reason South Africa was so condemned was because it was run by close kins of Germans?

        3. I think your theory about South Africa is correct.

          Afrikaners are white people descended from the Dutch who speak a primarily Germanic language, while Israelis are Jews.

          In many ways, Israeli crimes are even worse than white South African crimes (though I realize that it would be pretty hard to measure that).

          South Africa is reviled. In fact, not reviling pre-Mandela South Africa makes you a white supremacist.

          And yet even offering the slightest criticism of Israel makes you a hater and a conspiracy theorist.

          Connect the dots, people.

        4. At the same time, it is somewhat confusing when the WN’s on Stormfront romanticize pre-Mandela South Africa while condemning Israel as hell on Earth.

        5. At the same time, it is somewhat confusing when the WN’s on Stormfront romanticize pre-Mandela South Africa while condemning Israel as hell on Earth.

          Well yes, they too are being hypocritical.

          Neither they nor any other WN gives a shit about the plight of the Palestinians. They simply use Israel as evidence of Jewish hypocrisy, and as a stick with which to beat Jews.

          Paul Gottfried and Alexander Kurtagic both point out that paleocons/WN’s should not denounce Israel over their treatment of the Palestinians, because that would be hypocritical, but rather denounce Israel because it’s bad for white American interests.

          Israel also reveals the hypocrisy of liberal/neocon Zionist Jews.

          WN’s should point that out, but they shouldn’t cry fake tears over what happens to the Palestinians, because that then makes them hypocrites.

        6. Same with me. Although they lead a shitty existence and the Gaza bombings by Israeli planes were pretty gruesome, I can’t intimately feel for the Palestinians’ plight, simply because I am not Arab.

  7. it was because the oppressed looked like the same people we had been oppressing.

    Well then why do so many Americans shed tears over the holocaust, but not the Rape of Nanking?

    Why don’t Americans shed any tears over the Armenian or Rwandan genocide?

    See what I mean? Why is it that the Jewish holocaust is more equal than other holocausts?

    Heck, I’m even going to quote skinhead leader Tom Metzger (who was on the Wally George show): “Millions of people were killed in WWII, but all we do is cry about the Jews. What about the other people?”

  8. Robert,
    I really cannot understand you.
    Race and racism seem to be twin obsessions very close to your heart – for some reason Amren fascinates and ‘appalls’ you, but you must go back and look like a moth to a flame.
    Yet at the same to you disparage ‘white supremacists’ (and all the rest), in an overblown ecstasy of disavowal (one musn’t forget one’s hippy roots), you make some pretty strident attacks on the blacks and mexicans with whom you share your small town California – and openly and unabashedly write that you don’t want to live near them.
    ‘A continuum of racism?’, rather like saying there’s a continuum of virginity.
    The classic, universalist, hippy position is that race has no more distinction in our human relations than shoe size.Any equivocation on that score is held to be morally wrong – that’s the dividing line.
    One simply cannot say that they find blacks and mexicans dangerous and unseirable neighbors (on no grounds other than their ethnicity), and then claim to be holier-than-thou than those ‘nasty racists’.
    The right course of action is to swallow your pride and accepts blacks and mexicans for what they are, warts ‘n’ all and not to bitch and moan whilst trying to claim the moral high ground.
    You can’t play both sides of the fence.
    Not in this game, it’s far too deadly and serious.

    1. Yes, but the Left and the racist assholes are both wrong on this score. I am convinced that almost all Whites are at least somewhat racist, at least in the sense that tulio suggests above in terms of bias, etc. The Whites I have known in my life were mostly a little bit racist. The Whites I know now are all liberals to Leftists, and they are all racists, but usually only to a small degree. Many of them have dated non-Whites. Some have married them.

      Nevertheless, all of these mild White racists are utterly appalled at the strong forms of White racism and White nationalists and White supremacists are despised for their extreme racist views.

      There is indeed a continuum of racism. Many to most Whites are at least slightly racist, particularly in the PC sense. But the stronger forms of racism are rejected with disgust and rage by most Whites. The Amren are utterly hat by most Whites I know. And yet, those same Whites are at least somewhat racist.

      The somewhat racist Whites I know do not particularly want to live near large numbers of Hispanics and Blacks. They have a low opinion of poor and Underclass Blacks and Hispanics. Yet at the same time, the Amren crowd are hated with a passion.

      One simply cannot say that they find blacks and mexicans dangerous and unseirable neighbors (on no grounds other than their ethnicity), and then claim to be holier-than-thou than those ‘nasty racists’.

      Yes you can indeed. This is exactly what many to most liberal Whites do. They are somewhat racist, but not too much. They do hate the nastier forms of White racism. These folks are just “taking it too far.”

      Racism is a continuum. It’s not a black or white thing. That’s a lie perpetrated by the racist Right and the lunatic Left.

      The classic, universalist, hippy position is that race has no more distinction in our human relations than shoe size.Any equivocation on that score is held to be morally wrong – that’s the dividing line.

      Yes but most liberal and Left Whites I know think that that is batshit insane. At at the same time, they despise White nationalists, etc with a furious passion.

      Race and racism seem to be twin obsessions very close to your heart – for some reason Amren fascinates and ‘appalls’ you, but you must go back and look like a moth to a flame.

      Not unusual at all. There are vast numbers of non-racists to antis who monitor such sites. Some have written books on White nationalists. A number of non- to anti-racists have written books on White nationalism lately.

      Amren, etc. is fascinating because a lot of the articles tell the truth about race. But the commenters are nasty and horrible human beings.

      What you see here on this blog is simply the typical White liberal view on race. I know these people and have spent my whole life with them. My views are their views, but they just don’t talk about this stuff much. But put a few drinks in them and put them in a closed room, and you will hear something like this website pouring out of them.

  9. Robert,
    Why is universalism ‘bat-shit insane’?
    Is it any more insane than sex-equality for example?
    Morally, isn’t it the right thing to do?

    1. Most Whites I know think that there are differences between the races. They even imply that they may be genetic. These are liberal to Leftist Whites who like non-Whites, hang out with them to some extent, hate what they consider to be White racism, etc. I think 95+ of Whites think that Whites are somewhat superior, whether genetically, culturally, or whatever. They also do not respect Blacks as a race. They stereotype non-Whites. They are biased to some extent.

      Yet they vote anti-racist, and they oppose what they consider to be racism.

      You just don’t get it. This is how White liberals really are. All this PC Tim Wise anti-racist shit is ridiculed by liberal to Left Whites, and it has little to no support. IOW, no one believes in it.

      Sex universalism is ridiculous too. There are differences between the sexes other than the obvious. I hardly know any liberal to Left types who disagree.

      1. I think 95+ of Whites think that Whites are somewhat superior, whether genetically, culturally, or whatever. They also do not respect Blacks as a race. They stereotype non-Whites. They are biased to some extent.

        Okay, I’m glad you admit this. Now if you believe this is the case as do I, why do you get up in arms when people like Abagond and Tim Wise say the same thing about nearly all whites being racists?

        1. They do far more than just point that out. They go on jihad about it, and they hate Whites for it.

          I don’t mind that they point it out, they’re only pointing out the obvious. It’s how they do it and where they go from there that I don’t dig. The Abagond people just flat out hate Whites, period. So does Tim Wise. He’s a self-hating White man. Both crowds peddle anti-White propaganda. No respect for that. I’m White. I don’t do anti-White hate speech.

        2. Robert explained it better than I could.

          Basically, while yes, we’re all racists and harbor prejudice and stereotypes, we’re not the demonic, demented people that they make us out to be.

          Also, I don’t really appreciate all that “melanin challenged” rhetoric coming from anti-racists.

  10. Bob allows himself to make fast and loose comments because he knows he can say he was only sparking more debate. Or something.

    “The somewhat racist Whites I know do not particularly want to live near large numbers of Hispanics and Blacks. They have a low opinion of poor and Underclass Blacks and Hispanics. Yet at the same time, the Amren crowd are hated with a passion.”

    Bob cannot name one “somewhat racist” White-on-the-street who even is aware of “the Amren crowd”
    much less “hates them with a passion.”

    The prototype “somewhat racist” he describes
    is cowardly and/or apathetic and hopes all racial problems go away, and will not become one of the “amren crowd”-to which he or she is currently
    oblivious- likely until it’s too late. By then the “amren crowd” might have another name, equally ignored by the somewhat racist white masses in retreat.

    1. The ones I talk to are aware of White Supremacists, sure, and now they are aware of White nationalists and White separatists, because I told them. White nationalists and White separatists are just former White supremacists who changed their name as a PR move. That’s all it is, nothing more.

      They hate these people with a furious passion. Either that or they think they are irrelevant. Yet most of these liberal to Left Whites are also somewhat racist. Why do you think they to all White cities and towns?! Get real man. They are not stupid.

      I think, Ken, that you don’t know any liberal to Left Whites. I think all the Whites you know are rightwing to fascist. Are you telling me you know some White liberals? Why don’t you tell me how they feel?

      This site ought to be called, A Journey into the Racist Heart of a White Liberal. And it’s not just me. Most of us are like that.

      Yet at the same time, we vote Obama, despise White racist politics (Hello Republicans), despise the racist Whites we know, refuse to allow racial slurs to be spoken in our presence, shut down a lot of conversations about race as offensive, and seriously hate most overt White racists such as the Black haters, the anti-Semites and the White Power/Amen types.

      You just don’t get it, do you? This is the way liberal Whites really are. Put a few drinks in them, get them behind a closed door, and they start talking just like me.

  11. I read Amren because the MSM acts like any opinion of blacks other than “they act just like whites except to the extent that racism has caused them to act differently,” cannot be admitted into the discussion. I’m White, what, “Normalist?” I think white values, culture and behavior should be the accepted standard in America and everyone else should be at least aspiring to act the same way. Using “mofo” in every sentence is not cultural difference, it’s cultural inferiority. Bringing in a bunch of Muslims, many of whom have a different cultural understanding of what rape is, does not enrich our society.

    What I object is certainly not equality or even affirmative action (as applied to opportunity, not guaranteed results) but Diversity. Diversity is the belief that every group deserves a place at every table because they’re part of society. The idea is so absurd it’s obviously a lie. The NAACP and NOW don’t claim to want diversity. They only claim white male groups need it. A research lab doesn’t need high school dropouts to diversify the scientists, and a neighborhood of families doesn’t need young singles partying all night to provide diversity.

    I want to be able to say, “I was going to visit my ATM, but there was a black guy standing around the corner,” and that’s accepted as a legitimate opinion, whether any particular individual agrees or not.

    1. BTW, when liberal-leaning acquaintances ask me what is wrong with Diversity, I cite some names:

      Sarah Palin
      Michael Steele
      Alberto Gonzalez
      Clarence Thomas

      Their reaction is usually along the lines of “anyone can have wrong opinions.”

    2. This is an excellent comment, Frank. Thx for this. I don’t think you are a WN at all. You are a White culturalist who likes to live in a civilized place. You’re for the forces of civilization and against the forces of anti-civilization. It’s not a purely racial thing at all. I welcome all pro-civilizational Blacks to the party, and we all should. And there are not only a tiny few of them, instead there are many millions.

      Truth is that most US Whites probably agree with what you just said. And Amren, shitty and fucked up as it is, is like the only place where you talk truth to bullshit power. I don’t like it much anymore, because the commenters are a bunch of WN assholes, and I have been told that I am one of the most hated commenters on the site, and most of them think I’m a troll. All because I’m an anti. Omg, how terrible!

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