Are Iranians White?

It’s certainly a reasonable question, as White nationalists in general answer a resounding “No!” to that question. But even they are funny. Stormfront threw out 300 Armenians on the grounds that they were non-White. However, this decision was very controversial, and after a while, the Armenians were quietly let back in.

They have a Pan-Europeanist policy, which is one of the few noble things about that site.

Recently there were a lot of Iranians on the site, and though I believe Stormfront does officially state that Iranians are not White, there has been a quiet hands-off “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about them, and the Stormfronters quietly let the Iranians stay in what boils down to an open secret. In other words, Stormfront offically states that Iranians are not White, but unofficially, they turn a blind eye to Iranians joining and even organizing themselves on the site.

Iranians are funny people. In 1978, I drove an ice cream truck for a living. There were a bunch of Iranians were who driving trucks too. We were all sort of budding capitalists. You lease the truck every day, buy your ice cream, mark it up, and hope for the best. A lot of us supplemented our incomes by selling dope, including me.

The Iranians were very good at this, selling joints for $1 each mostly to the many Mexicans in the parks of Santa Ana (Santa Ana was a heavily Mexican city even 30 years ago).

Once at the end of the day (we lined up at the end of the day to have our coins rolled and get our payout in easy cash) I asked them if they were Arabs. They were adamant. “We are not Arabs!” Later I learned that they don’t like Arabs much. It’s a superior versus inferior thing. The Iranians think they are better and that the Arabs are inferior, a bunch of animals.

At worst, Iranian nationalists call them “lizard-eating Mohammadens.” Image is heathen Arab Muslims charging out of the deserts of Arabia to destroy the great and proud Iranian culture. And it’s true that the Muslims did devastate Iranian culture, but they did this to all non-Muslim cultures they encountered. After all they were Jahiliyyah or grounded in ignorance.

The modern Islamic state has reinstated this view, downplaying traditional Iranian culture, making Arabic practically a 2nd official language, etc., all of this infuriating Iranian nationalists.

The real hardcore Iranian nationalists often abandon Islam altogether and claim to be Zoroastrians, the true ancient religion of Iran.

Iranian nationalists are interesting people.

Iranian nationalists hate Arabs, so you might think they like Jews, but they hate Jews about as much as they hate Arabs. They especially hate Israel. “Marg bar Israel!” is a common cry on Iranian forms (“Death to Israel!”) And the guys yelling this stuff were older professional guys in their 40’s with young kids, secular, and while respectful of Islam, not very religious.

Why the hatred of Israel? Probably, if you are an Iranian nationalist, even a secular one, Israel is seen as your mortal enemy. That’s a logical assumption.

The harder-core Iranian nationalists also dislike Pan-Turkic types, since the Turanian lunatics usually claim some or all of Iran.

The saner Iranian nationalists hate not Arabs but Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism is funny. It’s Leftist, secular, supposedly anti-racist, but they are bristling with hatred for Iranians. Saddam Hussein’s Arab nationalist uncle, who profoundly effected his views, wrote a famous tract, somewhat humorously titled, Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Jews, Persians and Flies.

The hatred of Arabs towards Persians is similar to that of Gentiles towards Jews or Blacks towards Whites: resentment against a group that thinks they are superior. A common claim, similar to anti-Semitism, among Whites is, “The Iranians are trying to dominate the Arab World!” It’s true that the Iranians opposed Arab nationalism, but who could blame them? The Pan-Arabists were a bunch of anti-Iranian racist shits.

What’s funny about this is that there are Iranian genes running all through the Arabs of the Levant, Mesopotamia and Arabia. It is particularly the case with the Mesopotamian Arabs. The Arab Shia in Southern Iraq have a lot of Iranian blood. One of the reasons Saddam persecuted them so harshly is he thought that they were Iranian fifth columnists. In general, it wasn’t really true, but there was reason to be concerned.

In recent years, as Iran and its Shia allies have turned into the greatest defenders of the Palestinians, the Arab nationalists are in a tough spot. They hate Iran, but how can they deny that Iran is the best defender of the Palestinians in the pitiful and sold-out Arab and Muslim world? There are particular conflicts with Hamas, a Sunni fundamentalist group which is strangely also pro-Iran, and Hezbollah, whose defense of the Palestinians puts the Sunni Arabs to shame.

These realities have forced the Sunnis into all sorts of cognitive dissonance that as usual does not make much sense.

I’ve known a few Iranians. They definitely look like White people. Their skin is often very pale White, especially the females (Why is that?). Some charts strangely enough put them right next to British, Danes and Norwegians genetically. No one knows what to make of it, but we were all together in Southern Russia 4,500 years ago. Some of us took off south to Iran, and others went into Europeans to constitute the modern Europeans. We are born of the same modern roots.

I’ve asked a few Iranians, “You’re White like us, right?” You might think they would get pissed, but they usually give an instant yes or break into a huge smile. They clearly consider themselves “Europeans outside or Europe.” One even told me explicitly that.

Scientifically, it’s an reasonable assumption.

Genetically, Iranians probably have little if any Black in them. Your average German has more Black in them than an Iranian. They do have some Asiatic genes, but probably not many.

The Iranians are actually an interesting link to populations further east. There is a close link between Italians and Iranians (Italians are probably the closest Europeans to Iranians) and then there is another close link between Iranians and Indians, especially North Indians.

So the linkage goes like this (all groups separated by only one arrow are closely linked, but groups separated by more than one arrow are not so close):

Core Europeans -> Italians -> Iranians -> North Indians

So, neither core Europeans nor Italians are all that close to North Indians per se, they can become closer to them through this linkage process.

Iranian genes are common in the region, even outside of Arabia. Many Afghans have Iranian blood and it’s quite common in Pakistanis too. There is a lot of Iranian blood in the Caucasus. Most of your Chechen, Dagestani, Ingush, etc. types seem to derive from some sort of Iranian-Turkish mix. The Ossetians are actually a transplanted Iranian group living in Russia and speaking a language related to Iranian.

There is Iranian blood running through the Stans – Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. It’s probably most prominent in Tajikistan.

Persians are only 5

The Kurds and Balochis have serious separatist tendencies. The Arabs (Ahvaz) just fight for more rights as an oppressed minority. Azeri separatism has not really gone anywhere, since the Azeris are actually a dominant minority in Iran! The Talysh have separatist tendencies, but in Azerbaijan, not in Iran.

I don’t support the separatism of the Balochis and Kurds in Iran as long as Iran is under imperialist assault, but if this were not the case, I would think they deserve the right to self-determination. Iran is correct to suppress Arab separatism and the desire to take Iran’s oil and gas wealth with them to a separate state.

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631 thoughts on “Are Iranians White?”

  1. Im Iranian. I look like many people from european lands. There are people of brown race here in Iran and there are people of the white race here in from Iran. Its not that big of deal. the human geno is very all close the same around the world. only weirdo and fools pay attention to the slight physical differences

  2. it’s true that many iranians really hate Arabs.because they attack iran and force iranians to be muslims.muslims killed,destroyed,attacked to iranian weman,…….something that is in our mind is that they are really wild.that’s why.
    but let me explain about jewish.when we were child in kindergarden,elementry school every time in our school ,they force us to say death to israeel,(that’s “marg bar israeel”)this keep in our mind.every time when you turn on tv,shows that israeel is very slaughterous.it impact on people.it is completly political.but in fact me my self don’t hate israeel.problems of phelestin is not relate to us.

  3. most of persian (and some armenian) i have seen so far look like pakistani and indians (because they are from elamito-dravidian race)

  4. more than 50% of ppl in iran are not ethnic persian they should be free on speaking their own language instead of become brainwashed about fars propaganda!

    1. There is no such ethnicity as Persians. Persians were an empire made up of different ethnicities and tribes. Plus it’s a Greek word. In Iran we call ourselves IRANI and abroad we call ourselves Iranian NOT persians. Some Iranians find the term Persian appealing b/c as Iranians we face discrimination so we try to distant ourselve from “iran”. Iranians are made of up soo many different tribes and ethnicities that it’s too much to list, and plus we’ve been mixing for the past 1000 years soo, you’ll never find a pure race. The notion that Azeri want a separation from Iran is laughable b/c the majority of iranians have Azeri blood in them. It’s just propaganda to take land from Iran. The majority of our leaders have Azeri mix in them. It’s like saying German American want separation from americans since english is the offical launguage of america. It doesn’t even make sense, people are mix of everything. There is no pure race in iran.

    1. You’re wrong= all due respect. The J-ish race is passed along thru matrilineal lines. Very hard to convert. If there are ” black Jews, Chinese Jews, Slavic Jews, Mediterranean Jews, etc” then they either married into it, converted or have enough blood to get in. Silly argument- it is a race, an ethnicity, and a “religion”- and none of the above at the same time. They want it all ways= that’s why they piss people off! (of course, there’s also the money thing, the greed thing, and the cliquishness thing- and the defensiveness and disingenousness. Who, us? Control the media, Control the U.S. of Misra-hell? Nazi LIES!

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      1. Yeah, Jews are funny like that.

        Jews are not technically a racial or ethnic group. You have white Ashkenazi Jews, Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jews, black Ethiopian Jews, etc.

        But they’re also not just a religious group. As long as your mother is Jewish by blood, you are a Jew even if you know nothing about the religion of Judaism.

        Jews are also not a national group, since you have Jews living throughout the world, of various different nationalities.

        So what, then, are they?

        The way I see it, at least when analyzing American and other Western Jewry, it’s best to think of them as a tribal/ethnic group. Even if they aren’t technically an ethnic group, they sure as hell function like one.

  5. No! Armenians are still very much welcomed as members at Stormfront. I know this to be true, because I’m an Armenian Member, with Armenian and Swiss-German ancestry, and my Stormfront Name is Armenian Bishop. When I leave there for a while, members there remind me that I’m very much appreciated at Stormfront, and they enjoy reading my posts about Armenians. Stormfront Moderators recognize that “…many Armenians are White…” and they consider Armenians to be a welcomed part of the community. Armenians are considered to be a more cohesive part of the White community than is the case with Iranians or Persians, because they’re a Christian Civilization, with closer proximity to the European Continent, and they more fully embrace Western Civilization. In 2008, there was an Armenian Hater who called himself the Grand Inquisitor, he ultimately got his way and banned 300 Armenians, but since the time of that Witch Hunt, Armenians have returned at Stormfront, and can be found there again.

  6. Yeah, I think the world owes me a Swiss chalet and a castle by Loch Ness- because MY ancestors were genocided also (the Britons and the Huguenots). Plus, nobody can criticize me- I’ll have you killed for being a genocidal Jew-Nazi!

  7. funny thing what’s called turkey is atually greeks and irans land . The turks came from from central asia and settleled there . There are numerous Greeks historical land marks in present day so called turke . When will the greeks take their land????

    1. Nene, you bring up an important point, but your statement is in error. Present Day Turkey is actually derived from Greek and Armenian Homelands, and has been so for many thousands of years into antiquity.

      The Armenian Highlands include much of Present Day Eastern Turkey. While Iranians are benevolent cousins to Armenians, Iran doesn’t claim Western Armenia, in present day Eastern Turkey. Iran knows better, and understands that Turkey has violated Armenia’s Territorial Integrity, in Western Armenia.

      I too would like to see those lands returned to their rightful owners — Greece and Armenia.

  8. Holy shit, the ignorance in the Comments section of this article is so overwhelming, that I’m befuddled by how the Universe has the capacity to contain it all. First of all, the racial categorizations outlined in the U.S. Race Census are nothing more than socio-political terms. The term “Caucasoid and “Caucasian”, are based the Typological Five Race Model. Which consisted of Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, Capoid and Australoid.

    The typological model has been falsified since the early 20th Century, because of its lack of rigidity, inherent subjectivity and inability to account for patterns of morphological diversity within and between populations. It was used in relation to a set of craniofacial traits individuals evinced, thought to be discrete and non-overlapping, rather than just skin complexion. But because it’s been misused in the U.S. for decades, it eventually became synonymous with those of primarily European/White ancestry. Iranian people are not descended nor mixed with Europeans.

    Human genetic variation is clinal, what that means is that it isn’t fixated. And is very fluid in response to selective pressures in the environment. Genetic variability is accumulated through gradients, gradually over a long period of time over a geographical area. It is reflective of a continuum of change of allele frequencies of a previously more ancient ancestral population.

    Iranians are a Middle Eastern population, with a genetic substructure consistent with other contemporary Middle Eastern ethnic groups. They are not White, as they do not genetically cluster closely to Europeans, and can be genetically differentiated on the basis of their autosomal components. Which are distinctly Middle Eastern. In addition to that, they also share alleles with South Asians, and other Non-European populations.

    So how could they possibly be White? The reality is, they’re not and the fact that some can superficially pass for White does not give one grounds to categorize them as such. There are Balochis, Pakistanis and some Sikhs that can pass for White too. Yet no one with a fraction of a brain cell would collectively classify them as White. Why?

    Because they understand, that even though there are lighter skinned Balochis, Pakistanis and Sikhs, there are also brown Balochis, Pakistanis and Sikhs. The same principal applies to Iranians and other Middle Eastern people. This article does nothing more, than parrot the propaganda that is perpetuated by uneducated White people and some Middle Eastern people with an inferiority complex.

    1. You act as if ‘white’ is a fixed term that solely equates to Europeans. It isn’t and it doesn’t. It’s a completely made-up social construct. A white person by general consensus is basically just a light complexioned person (as opposed to say, South Indians) with observable Caucasoid features (as opposed to say, East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans). There are plenty of Persians, Lebanese, or Punjabis who fit this mold. Of course there are more Europeans who fit this mold because the colder European environment selects for lighter colouring. But that doesn’t mean others outside Europe couldn’t have also developed a light complexion. There is much evidence that they indeed have.

      You obviously have a very superficial view of what ‘white’ is. Whites are not actually white. They are beige, tan, or brown. So being brown does not exclude one from being white. A naturally beige white person can become brown under the hot sun of a tropical setting. Does that mean they suddenly change ‘race’ and will no longer be seen as white? Of course not.

      As for genetic clusters, where do you draw the line between what is close or not? Europeans certainly cluster close to Middle Easterners than to other groups. Of course there are differences, but there are also differences between the genes of Irish and Romanians. That doesn’t make them separate races.

      1. “You act as if ‘white’ is a fixed term that solely equates to Europeans. It isn’t and it doesn’t. It’s a completely made-up social construct. A white person by general consensus is basically just a light complexioned person (as opposed to say, South Indians) with observable Caucasoid features (as opposed to say, East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans). There are plenty of Persians, Lebanese, or Punjabis who fit this mold. Of course there are more Europeans who fit this mold because the colder European environment selects for lighter colouring. But that doesn’t mean others outside Europe couldn’t have also developed a light complexion. There is much evidence that they indeed have.”

        If we are to define “White”, in a traditional context. Then yes, White = European. You are correct, that it is indeed a social construct. But it is a social construct that is inextricably interlaced with European heritage. It is not a concept, that one mentally envisions as encompassing a nebulous macrofamily of indisputably disparate populations.

        I.E., West, West-Central and South Asians, like Mr. Lindsay would have you believe. Anyone who honestly believes that these ethno-culturally and linguistically incommensurable peoples, are identical in every conceivable way genetically with respect to their autosomal DNA, needs to have their brain checked. Assuming they even have one. It’s funny you should remark on the supposed anatomical traits that unify all “Caucasoids” into one monolithic branch.

        What’s even funnier, is that you seriously believe, that the genotype (set of genes you’re born with) will reflect in its entirety in your phenotype. Even though the coding regions of your DNA (those are the genes responsible for phenotype), only comprise a tenuous 1-10% of your genome. That means, that there is more than one configuration, at which these alleles can be arranged. In other words, it doesn’t matter if one Iranian is brown and the either is light. A light Iranian is still genetically closer to a brown Iranian, than he is to any European.

        Because the brown Iranian still shares more gene variants in common with the light Iranian, despite evincing some superficial physical characteristics with some Europeans. Due to the fact that they been inhabiting the same overall geographic region(s), for tens of thousands of years. My advice to you, Robert Lindsay and his legion of deluded Pan-Aryanist fucktards is go read some multilocus, Genome-Wide Association and other genetic studies comparing Middle Easterners and Europeans before commenting further on the alleged “Whiteness” of Middle Easterners.

        “You obviously have a very superficial view of what ‘white’ is. Whites are not actually white. They are beige, tan, or brown. So being brown does not exclude one from being white. A naturally beige white person can become brown under the hot sun of a tropical setting. Does that mean they suddenly change ‘race’ and will no longer be seen as white? Of course not.”

        No, I have what you call a realistic view of White, that borders on scientific impartiality. Your definition though, is so vague, broad and inclusive so as to be completely devoid of any ethno-cultural implications whatsoever and thus meaningless. True, everyone on the planet has varying doses of melanin in their skin. But there’s difference between being brown, and being tan.

        Contrary to popular belief, the dark skin in Middle Easterners can be described as a light-brown to medium-brown. It is not a “tan”, tans degenerate over time, brown skin doesn’t. The dark skin in Middle Easterners and North Africans is not a “tan”, it can be legitimately be referred to as brown skin. Because most brown skinned Middle Easterners, remain the same skin tone for most, if not their whole lives.

        Also, the darkest Europeans don’t even remotely come close in terms of pigmentation, to the darkest Middle Easterners.

        “As for genetic clusters, where do you draw the line between what is close or not? Europeans certainly cluster close to Middle Easterners than to other groups. Of course there are differences, but there are also differences between the genes of Irish and Romanians. That doesn’t make them separate races.”

        I draw the line at a genetic distance of 25 to 30 and above. Genetic distances directly correspond to geographic distance. So the further away the European population from a Middle Eastern one. The more genetic dissimilarities there are. Is this is an arbitrary distinction?

        Yes. But so is the one between Native American and East Asian populations, yet we acknowledge the differences between both groups. So why do we create this special exception for Middle Easterners, South Asians and Europeans? Especially when East Asians and Amerindians have had less time to accrue mutational diversity, than Europeans and Middle Easterners/South Asians have?

        Robert, if you don’t approve this reply. You are coward, that is all.

  9. Furthermore, the author of this article is being disingenuous, he is accentuating the lighter-skinned, more phenotypically European Iranians. In an attempt to have people focus solely on them and ignore the average, much darker, Non-European looking Iranians. Which is more accurate, and representative of the majority of Iranians. So all he’s doing is minimizing the “darkies”, so he could fallaciously maximize the exceptions.

  10. Moreover, this image that the author provided is based on an outdated study, published in a book entitled “The History and Geography of Human Genes” by Cavalli-Sforza. Which only measured genetic similarity on classical blood groups, and just over a hundred allele frequencies. Which is so horrendously low so as to be meaningless.

    http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/jakjamal/race_genes.jpg

    Here’s a more modern, detailed PCA Plot, that utilizes hundreds of thousands of Markers in populations.

    http://i52.tinypic.com/23wrz2o.png

    Notice how far away Iranians are from all the European populations, and how they “pull” towards South Asia.

  11. “Most Iranians look white”

    Well, you don’t know many Iranians then. Some Northern Iranians can be light but if you take into account the whole country, they are dark people and don’t look white at all. Only in the dreams of Persian nationalists.

    And what do you mean Arabs have Iranians genes? That’s bullshit and doesn’t really mean anything. Genes are not specific to any nation. Most Iranians are not even “Aryans” they’re just descended from the inhabitants of the Iranian plateau. Same with Iraqis and Mesopotamia.

    I am half Iraqi half Iranian myself and I really dislike Persian nationalists, they consider themselves superior to Arabs and think they’re white.

  12. Iran has formed an alliance with Armenia, as well as Russia and China.

    Armenia shares borders with 4 neighboring countries: Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Iran. Turkey and Azerbaijan are openly hostile. Georgia represses and oppresses its Armenian minority. Iran on the other hand, expresses much good will and feelings of brotherhood with Armenia.

    While Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Georgia have been engaged in the destruction of Armenian historical landmarks, in their countries; Iran, on the other hand, has invested for the preservation of Armenian historical landmarks, with much care and goodwill.

    Genocidal Acts of Oppression in Turkey and Azerbaijan have led to the annihilation of their Armenian populations. Georgia oppresses and represses the rights of Armenians in Georgia to study their own language and history. But, Iran provides schools and churches for Armenians to study their own language, learn about their history and politics, and preserve their cultural heritage.

    Russia too has been a good ally to Armenia. These three countries: Iran, Armenia, and Russia have forged an alliance which links the political, military and economic interests, between the three countries.

  13. Interesting info. I look like the typical Persian girl, big brown eyes, pale skin and black hair. I did a DNA test on DNAtribes.com and I was a huge mix of MOSTLY European population. My highest match was a low match, meaning, I am so mixed, I could not get a high match of a particular population. My highest (low match) was Northern Ireland 35%, then Southern Ireland ( 30%), Cacusians of Afghanistan ( 20%) followed by France Italy, and LOTS of Poland( several regions). I know my mom’s family has some Russian origin and she looks very slovic, all of them do actually. My father is from eastern Iran. My parents have been in Iran for generations, no one knows exactly how deeply rooted Persian we are, but I am pretty sure my mom’s side is most likely of Northern /eastern EU, since their ancestral village in Iran is even a Polish name (near Tehran). My family is a typical Persian family, many Persians have such ancestry. I thought of the Irish part as BS, but then my son was born, with an English man, with RED HAIR and greenish eyes. He is so white, you could bet a million dollars he is a kid from England or Ireland with ZERO middle eastern or Persian genes in him and lose big. I have seen quite a few full Persians with red hair actually. I obviously have the genes ( must for red hair) even though I know of NO ONE in my family with this trait. My cousin just had a baby with a Aussie man. Same thing, the kid is so white, it’s shocking, even though she looks very Asian, from eastern Iran, I think she has serious Asian genes. This anecdotal event tells me Persians are so white that it takes ONE mixture to resemble, phenotypically, a European look and that has NOTHING to do with how light or European we look. I don’t in ANY way look like a European girl, my cousin, even worse. We could pass for Greek, Turk, Italian or Spanish. My test also shows that maybe there is something to the historian accounts on the CELT’s origin being in the middle east. That may explain why my highest match that still stands out even though I am SUCH a mix ( of mostly Caucasian populations) like most other Persians is actually Irish ( share with the celtic homeland).

  14. hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    you are all good liars
    it’s so funny passage
    i laughed a lot because of your fictions…
    all of you dont know us very well
    this is not your fault,however you need money for your life and you have to say this trashy things,but you choose the worst way to earn money!!!!
    we hate this way
    you will be a looser in your life with thic dicisions

    you got that? :this is islamic ethic…

  15. I need to mention that kurds, lurs, Azeris,mazandaranis, gilacs, sistanis, baluchis, ghashghaeis,bakhtiaris and mamy more are all persians. Only Turkmans and Arabs are none persian Iranisns. Even Armanians are persian. You can investigate about it by analysing their languages and resding history. As you already mentioned

  16. Hi just wanted to tell u the reason most Iranians dont like arabs is because back in time Iran was a country of Medicin and Architecture, we worshiped the sun and so on. We were Blond, blue eyed and Golden or white skinned.
    The arabs came with their religion and started “Converting”. The Arabs were in the beginning a war country so when they came against us we werent prepared for it. So they killed our men and some kids and raped our women. When this got around some towns said “We are muslims dont attack” to preserve our way. Thats why the hate Exists. We dont forget. In my family every child is born with blond hair and that gradually changes to black or brown over time. Since our original genetic is recessive the arabic genes show… Currently there is a town in the south of Iran were “Original” persians live, they are forbidden to mix with anyone else that does not look like them. And the reason why its ok 2 marry ur cousin and so forth is because we tried to preserve our race when the arabs came and now its stuck in our society. Thats also a reason why most persian women dye their hair blond.
    The warcry u mentioned is “Marg bar” which means Death to “Insert enemy name” =).

    Anyway now you know. Remember the history is written by those that win but through history is given from generation to generation so that nobody forgets. The War in the 1980s didnt help the situation either…

    1. hehehe The Arabs were in the beginning a war country so when they came against us we werent prepared yet) are u kidding me btw i m lebanese not arabic..but the history kid never lie..khaled eben al walid attack u in 17.000 worriers only and rostom confront them 4 times in 100.000 worriers and u were the prepared one and have elephants and and everything else..ur king kesra insult the messenger of the prophet mohammad when he asked him to convert till islam while hercacle respected even didnt accept its message..thats why ..u always feel proud against the arabs while ur civilizations is tooken the most from the babylians and assyrians and from india..and nowaday u r ruling by the fake religious enforce u to worship them in one way or another and as we hear that the chicken is expenisve more than zafaran..hope God to destroy u and hozbala the terrorist organization ur people plant in my country

    2. @Julius

      “We were Blond, blue eyed and Golden or white skinned.”

      The people inhabiting the Iranian plateau were never blond and blue-eyed in the majority at any point in history. Iranians are just as “Aryan” as Indians are. If you really think Iranians today are mostly dark-haired and -eyed due to Arab admixture, you are a moron. Probably at least 85% of Iranians have jet black hair, that’s just how Iranians look.

      BTW, the ironic thing is if it weren’t for a Persian man, Salman al-Farsi, Islam wouldn’t exist. Salman’s advice to Muhammad during the Battle of the Trench saved the Muslims from being annihilated.

  17. Persians are not true whites (Indo-European). Why? Despite all these silly theories of Arabs mixing with Persians during Islamic times, it doesn’t hold up. Persians to a large extent lack haplogroup J, an Arab gene, this gene is found mostly among Iranian Arabs. Moreover, for Arabs to have successfully intermixed with Persians to any significant degree is numerically and logistically impossible given the enormous Persian population and the small Arabian populace: Persians outnumbered Arabs by a large multiple. It’s like saying the Mongols of the Ilkhanate in Iran had any significant genetic impact – it’s quite silly actually. Furthermore, we know the Iranian plateau was inhabited by many nations and peoples (Elamites among them) who were non-Indo-European (IE) before the Indo-Iranian speakers arrived in Iran. These non-IE populations were large civilizations who were not merely replaced by IE nomads. Mixing seems plausible but not widespread since Persians have very little of haplogroup R1a1a, a signature gene of Indo-Iranians (and Slavs). This means that in a very real sense, the shift to IE languages in Iran was mostly just linguistic and cultural, but not genetic. We find more Indo-Iranian genes in northern Indians, Kurds, Tajiks, and Pashtuns than in Persians. Tajiks, though Persian-speaking, descend from the Sogdians. In Iran, the only real European-looking people are other Iranian speaking groups, such as Caspian Sea Iranian-speakers, Kurds, and the Turkicized Azeris. Actual European-looking Persians are quite rare, and usually descend from Parthians or other IE nomads. So the reason they look mostly non-European though they speak an IE language is based off of their ancestry – previous nations (like Elamites) who were culturally assimilated by IE nomads, much in the same way that Anatolian Turks were assimilated by Central Asian Turks, with relatively little genetic input.

    1. Just in case you forgot, Alexander, when he invaded Mesopotamia, that included Persia, murdered every Caucasian and Greek he found as punishment for them fighting against their own race of people.

      You read all about it.

  18. I love how none of the pictures people post to convince others of their Whiteness actually look like White people. None of the pics posted by the author or by those claiming Persians look White help your case. I see brown people.

  19. You’re a freaking moron. You just spew a bunch of crap about what you “think” these groups like and don’t and why they don’t like it. You’re just babbling to make yourself feel good.

  20. Northern Iranians on average are lighter than southern Iranians. But for the most part I would say that 70% of Iranians/Persians have their own facial features, which is unique.

    Actual true Persian/Iranian nationalists I’ve met dont want to lable themselves as a color and see their Persian ethnicity and Iranian nationality as their race, as in those things come first before the color of your skin.

    Most Iranians I know dont consider themselves white, even the white looking ones.

    Further more, pan-arabists and pan-turkists are the biggest racists on the planet and both have commited genocides. Turanist young toorks commited the Armenian genocide which took the lives of more than 1 million Armenian women, men and children and saddam who was a pan-arabist bathist killed so many kurdish citizens.

  21. I myself am a Iranian-Persian nationalist. Iranians/Persians are my race and religion, and Cyrus is my god.

    I want to help and unify all ethnic Persians through out the world aswell, whether they be Persians in Afghanistan (Tajiks, farsiwans, even Hazaras), Tajik Persians from tajikestan, Persians in China, Russia and ethnic Persians in Persian gulf “arab” countries like kuwait, bahrain, qatar and uea which consist of 20-30% of the local populations.

    I also hate pan-iranism with a passion as that ideology has degenerated Persian/Iranian nationalism into this cosmopolition bullshit ideology.

    Anyways, dorood bar shoma and sepas gozaram.

    I cannot wait for the Ressurection of Imperial Persia and the rape of the our enemies. On that day every single Iranian is going to have a huge smile on their face.

    May Ahura Mazda e bozorg be with us!

  22. Btw, Iranians were never blue eyed and blonde haired aka nordic. Nord looking people were always a minority amongst Persians. Don’t believe such euro lies.

    There are statues of ancient Persians in Perspolis and pasargad and guess what? they look exactly like your typical Iranian of today.

    Also, Aylar lie is an azeri whore, not Persian.

    I’m Azeri myself but consider myself Persian, but just being truthful about her ethnicity.

  23. Iranians are not white and cannot be compared to Armenians. Not every race that gets rejected by WN idiots makes them white by nature. Just because a minority of Iranians are white doesn’t make them all white. If you want to get out of skin tone and more on the grounds of race, still no. Check the phenotypes, check the haplogroups of Iran. The ‘Italian link’ is better described as common Mesopotamian genes between Mediterranean populations and that of the Middle East and South Asia, so Iranians are no exception .

    If Iranians are white, then so are Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Nepalis (save for the mongoloid ones) and even north Indians for that matter

  24. ”If Iranians are white, then so are Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Nepalis (save for the mongoloid ones) and even north Indians for that matter”

    Yeah, they’re White.

  25. Ancient Iranic peoples were White/Aryan. Medes, Parthians, Persians, Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans, Cimmerians and … were White tribes. Original Iranians were Eastern Europeans.

    Today most Iranians are mixed, but some of them are White. Iranian are a mix of Aryans, Arabs, Mongols and Turks. But they save some of their Indo-European elements like their language Persian/Farsi.

    Some Iranians/Persians can pass as White. Persia was a White Nation and White Civilization before Arab invasion.

      1. I didn’t say they were Slav. The closest group to “ancient” Indo-Iranians are Eastern Europeans. Both linguistically and genetically.

        1. Bullshit, all the MDS and PCA Plots utilizing hundreds of thousands of SNPs prove otherwise. Get your head out of your Pan-Aryanist ass.

        2. @The Boss

          Did you really read all of those researches?! LOL… Sorry, but Original haplogroup of Iranic tribe is R1a. R1a is common between all Slavic ethnic groups. Also, some Eastern Europeans and Slavs have Iranian blood (from Iranic Scythians and Sarmatians).

          Another common haplogroup between Iranians is J2. Whites (specially WNist) say it’s an old white HG! LOL…

          Please accept this fact:
          Middle Easterns are the cousins of Europeans. Many Europeans have ME origin. Many Slavs are originally Indo-Iranian. In fact, ME peoples are just non-European Caucasian. You don’t like this, but Whites are a subbranch of Ancient Middle Easterns and closely related to Near Eastern (Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Persia and Caucasus).

          I’m Croat and I’m proud of my Iranic and Slavic origins.

  26. I am from Iran, and I do not give a shit to be labeled as a white or brown. You can either consider us as African black if you feel better. before writing a controversial article witch such a yellow questionable title plz read more about a nation and history. you tend to generalize!

  27. That’s Interesting.
    Couple of years ago I met Some people coming from Italy. There were two originally Iranian among them who lived in Italy. I didn’t notice any difference between Italian and Iranian members of the group until they told me so.

    1. That’s pretty common…Just don’t tell that to “Italian-Americans” though. They get all bet out of shape…Dumbest European immigrant group the U.S has ever seen.

  28. Iranians on the internet will do anything to connect themselves to Europeans. The average Iranian doesn’t look European, sorry. Iranians have a minority of blond hair and blue eyes but so do many other Middle Eastern groups. Turks are closer to Europeans genetically. Even Syrian and Lebanese “Semites” have more European looks and more light eyes/blond hair than Iranians, who have a more ethnic look from my experience (which makes sense from a geographical point of view). Yet Iranians more so than any other Middle Eastern group, such as Turks and Levantines, try to link themselves to Europeans and “Aryans” (which is an Indo-Iranian term and has nothing to do with Europe, but is used by Iranians to try and associate themselves with Europeans). Language doesn’t mean much, many Indians speak IE languages but they don’t look white. When IE tribes moved into the Indian subcontinent and Iranian plateau, they mixed with aboriginal peoples already there.

    Also, looking at this PCA plot, Iranians are not any more “European” than their neighbors.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/06/jewsnat2.png

    Another plot shows that Turks, Druze, Samaritans, Cypriots, and Caucasians are all more European than Iranians.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TBDp0Qi88iI/AAAAAAAACc0/_WLpsi3NeKI/s1600/magnification.jpg

    Iranians need to be proud of their WEST ASIAN heritage, and need to stop trying to distance themselves from their Turkic and Semitic neighbors so much while trying to associate with Europeans.

  29. Upper caste Indian show the same genetic relationship with Iranians and Europeans thought the haplogroup R1a and these groups speak indo European languages and contain the same root words of things in their languages. Iranians and Northern Upper Caste come from the same indo European migration group in Central Asia. Another thing Persians are not in anyway culturally similar to Arabs, arabs are predominantly haplogroup J1 and J2 and speak Arabic which is a Semitic language with Aramaic and Hebrew. whether Persians are white or not so white like pale brown skin coulour has nothing to do with Persians as a race as a whole. Persians like others have diverse looks and facial structures. For example India. There are very dark skinned Dravidian population in the south but if you keep going north you will see the Dravidian mix indo European populations getting paler all the the way up to Kashmir where people have a very pale skin and pure indo European ancestry as they have not mixed and they look European. But Indian itself over the generations it self with many cultures people and religions. Indian has been the crossroads of migrations. You would find many Chinese Asian looking people as well as well as Middle Eastern looking people who ancestors from their former lands and made India their home. For examples many Zorastrians after the Islamic conquest of Iran fled to India where they started a now flourishing community called the Parsis, though in India Parsis use Avrestra an ancient Perisan language which is like Arabic to the muslims. And another case study the Sayyids. The Sayyids are people who are related to the twelve imams who are directs descendants of the prophet Muhammad and revered figures in Shia Islam came from Arabia and Iraq to withstand persecution from the caliphates migrated to Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and mixed with the local people. Notably Khatami, Khamanei, Mir Mossevi are all Sayyids. Also to note Ayatollah Khomeni the best known Iranian political cleric is also Sayyid but his father side of the family were originally Sayyids from India as his grandfather migrated from India to Iran to study but then chose to settle down in Iran and not return to India. Hindi the language of India shares many linguistic similarities with Perisan. One of the only languages to do so. After the Islamic conquests of India many empires such as the Moguls forced persian to be the main language of the empire for many centuries until the British came and forced English to be English to be the main language. Interestingly enough India’s motto is unity within diversity. Indian’s are not just one race and do not all look the same. India contains many different people and interestingly enough India is also a very genetically diverse country. India is one the oldest places in the world with diversity.

  30. Robert I see you have done many great articles on many varied topics about cultures and people and topics which matter to this world and society. I praise you for your efforts of doing these articles which especially interest me. I am a student of Anthropology at Sydney Uni and am scramming for articles which are relevant to me. I also mainly prefer anthropology as rather and a Interest and passion, like this article. Cheers.

  31. I’m Arab, and i Hate all Iranians so much. 99% of Arabs in the Arab world they hate Iranians.
    The Arabs are the only people who gave the Iranians a lesson that they wont forget it.

    The Iranians have inferiority complex and obsessed with white skin, they go around and try to convinces the Americans and Europeans that they’re white, and they are their cousins!
    We know that the Iranians are closer to Indians and Urdu, and they look like them, and they speak like them.

    Who said that the Iranians are Persians?
    Most of the Iranians are Not Persians.
    There are 30 Million Azeris
    7 Million Kurds
    6 Million Lurs
    4 Million Gelaki people
    4 Million Mazanderani people
    2-5 Million Ahwazi Arabs
    2 Million Lak people
    2 Million Hazara people
    1 million Qashqai people
    1 Million Turkmen
    1 Million Baluchi
    1 Milliom Kharasani Turks
    1 Million Bakhtiari people
    500,000 Talysh
    120,000 Armenians
    100,000 Georgians
    25,000 Jews
    20,000 Assyrian people

    And many more ethnicities that are different than Persians!
    Most of those ethnicities above they don’t consider themselves Persians, and they want to get independence and freedom special the Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, Gelakis, and Baluchis

    In so called Iran has 110 languages that are different than Persian language. Also the Persian language has 60% Arabic vocabularies!

    So called Iran was made by UK in the 20’s, and most of the Iranians map doesn’t belong to the Persians, the Persians stole south of Azerbaijan, Ahwaz (In the Arabian Gulf), south of Turkmenistan, North of Baluchistan, Assyrian land, and many more.
    Even Tehran, and Qom are an Azeri cities not Persians.
    The Persian land is in the Middle of Iran wish’s deserts such as Lut desert, and Kavir desert, those deserts are the motherland of they Persians, and it’s call (Farsistan) which means (Land of Persians).

    The Persians don’t have their identity in their own language, when the Greeks occupied them, they used to call them (Persis) in Greek language, and when the Arabs occupied them, they used to call them (Farsis) in Arabic language.
    So what’s the name of their people in their own language?
    known that the first source that mentioned the Persians was in 800 BC only!

  32. The Arabs are Not white, we are Semitics Caucasoid, though there are some Arabs have fair or white skins special the Levantine Arabs because they mixed with Greeks along time ago, but they still are not white, they’re Arabs.
    It’s a shame for us if someone refers us to the white!
    Nope we’re not (Thank god)

    We are Not like the Iranians who are damn crazy about white skin, and inferiors! .

  33. LOL Iranians maybe caucasian, similar to S.Euros not at all. Maybe to the S.Euroes represented by Hollywood not to the real ones, because there never uses real S.Euro but mixes, mestizos, ews, . Please don’t go cherry picking those two or three S.Euros to prove your points, if i cherry picked Iranians you would be astonished. For the One who said Italians and Iranians are similar must be out of his mind. Take whichever genetic map, you fall from the other side of the spectrum, you have nothing to do with Italy.

  34. I’m an Iranian who is living in Iran , and i haven’t seen any one here to consider himself with European looking (they are some but not many) !! Do Iranians outside of Iran say that ?? Iran is a country of countries !!! very diverse , you can find any look here and there is no typical look , i’v read some comments here and many says that we look like Indian or Pakistani’s or Europeans , there a few people here that look like Indians , but also there are black peoples here ( south of Iran) and there are some European looking ones too but not many (and they are not Persian) , majority are Persians have olive skin color or whatever , i don’t know exactly what color is that , but the ones that are Persian here don’t look Europeans nor Indians , they look Persian , you should come here to see what i mean , and if you see an Iranian doesn’t mean he is Persian , i’m the one that you can say most of Persians look like !! my pic : http://cubeupload.com/im/Hh5dUN.jpg

    and Robert , do Iranians that you have seen really say they are white ?
    Its funny that how much different is between Iranians inside of Iran and outside of Iran !! here most of young people get tanned because it considers beautiful !! but it doesn’t seem like this outside !!

  35. Some Iranians try hard to be recognized as “white” in the countries where they immigrate to.

    To save you the trouble, no white person is interested in listening to a lecture on the Aryan Nazi story. They have better things to do, and they use their eyes to judge.

    It is much quicker, much credible.

    No matter what you do, you will never be recognized as “white”. Don’t take anybody’s nod as a sign that they are convinced. Far from it.

    They know that you are bullshitting, but they are polite enough not to say it to you.

    Good luck !

  36. Many people think as Indians and Pakistanis and other South Asian who can go as Middle Eastern or European dark or just brown. There are heaps of Indians in the very north who lighter then Arabs and some Persian such as Kashmiris and Imran Khan the famous cricketer from Pakistan. If you go tot the very South Iran you will find really dark skinned people there not mixed its just cause of the climate and they are still regarded as Persians and speak Persian. If you to central Iran likes places like Yazd and Kerman you will also a lot of tanned people cause of the extreme hot weather, for example look up Moshe Katsav former President Of Israel his family comes from Yazd and he looks tanned and not WHITE! But if you go in the very North of Iran where there are cold places like Gilan, Kurdistan and East Azerbaijan you will find lots of extreme light skinned people who can be compared to Europeans. Iranians respect and consider all Iranians as Iranians regardless of their skin colour or looks I have also seen many Iranians who can count looking so called South Asian. Iran has different skin colours and we dont consider ourselves belonging to White people and europeans and or even Arabs. We have a proud culture and nation. And to answer no Iranians are not WHITE!! And this also a ridiculous topic to have a discussion on. And when was Admedinejad not Persian his family background is from Iran and I have not heard of him being a Turkmen, Azeri, Belochi, Arab or even Pastoun, his original Persian you are disregarding cause of his looks so what are you talking about.

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