Imaginary Conversations About White Privilege

Conversation 1

Earnest PC Leftist: Hey, you have White Privilege!

White Person: I do? Nah, I don’t think so, man. LOL, what’s that, anyway?

Earnest PC Leftist: Yeah, you have White Privilege, and it sucks. You need to get rid of it.

White Person: But I don’t even have it in the first place, LOL. How am I supposed to get rid of it LOL?

Earnest PC Leftist: You have White Privilege, and it sucks! You need to get rid of it!

White Person: Bye.

Conversation 2

Earnest PC Leftist: Hey, you have White Privilege!

White Person: Like Hell I do. I just lost my job, my car got repoed, my kid ran away from home, my dog bit me, my wife is divorcing me, and my house is in foreclosure. The only good thing is that I’m not quite suicidal. Yet. And see that bottle of Jack Daniels sitting there? Well, that’s the other good thing.

Earnest PC Leftist: Yeah, you have White Privilege, and it sucks. You need to get rid of it.

White Person: (Rolls eyes). Sure thing, take my White privilege. Hell, they’ve taken everything else I ever had. Help yourself, man. (Disgusted sarcastic smile).

Earnest PC Leftist: Yeah, but look, losing your job, getting your car repoed, having your kid run away, having your dog bite you, having your wife divorce you and getting your house foreclosed is so much worse if you’re Black! It’s like 10 times worse! If those things happen to you when you’re White, it’s so much better! You have no idea!

White Person: (Rolls eyes). Yeah, I can imagine. I’m so lucky to be White, damn. (Cynical, sardonic smile.)

Earnest PC Leftist: You have White Privilege, and it sucks! You need to get rid of it!

White Person: Dude. Listen. I got to get going, OK? Nice talking to you.

Conversation 3

Earnest PC Leftist: Hey, you have White Privilege!

White Person: Really? Cool, guess today’s my lucky day. I won a $20 lottery ticket too. God works in small ways, you know.

Earnest PC Leftist: Yeah, you have White Privilege, and it sucks. You need to get rid of it.

White Person: LOL, why should I do that? You think I’m stupid?

Earnest PC Leftist: White privilege is evil. You’re oppressing poor, helpless non-whites.

White Person: LOL, yeah, I’m feeling bad already. Listen, take your morals to the bank and try to cash them in. See how much they give you for them. I’m sure they’re worth more than gold! (Sarcastic smile.)

Earnest PC Leftist: You have White Privilege, and it sucks! You need to get rid of it!

White Person: LOL, yeah right. I don’t think so. Get rid of it? Homey don’t play that. I kind of like the way this White Privilege tastes, and the price is right, too. Hey, waiter! Can I order seconds on the White Privilege? This stuff is to die for. Give my regards to the cook for this dish. And by the way, if it’s not too much imposition, could you show me where I can find a recipe for this White Privilege dish? I want to make some of this White Privilege shit at home. This stuff hits the spot.

Earnest PC Leftist: You have White Privilege, and it sucks! You need to get rid of it!

White Person: (Holds one hand, opening and closing it while grinning). Talk to the hand LOL.

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23 thoughts on “Imaginary Conversations About White Privilege”

  1. Lol! Robert, I asked you on a previous thread to bring out the humor, and you didn’t disappoint!

    Funny, sarcastic, and insightful analysis.

    These imaginary dialogues illustrate the lunacy of the CRT and anti-racist crowd.

  2. At this point, I’m sure I’m wasting my time even belaboring this issue. Whites just don’t have any point of reference or analog experience so they can’t relate to it and it’s either something to dismiss or something to mock. As I’ve stated before, whites dismissing white privilege and racism is nothing new, they were doing it even during Jim Crow. Trying to explain white privilege to whites has always been an exercise in futility and only in the rear-view mirror of history do whites posthumously acknowledge such exists. Of course it’s never “them”, it’s always the previous generation of whites. Jim Crow era whites would’ve said, “we’re not racists, it’s the slavemasters that were racist. We ended slavery, blacks don’t have it bad anymore, they should shut up.” Yes, they really thought that, even then.

    We are speaking in generalities here. Some whites are royally screwed, some blacks live in luxury, yeah. But as a general rule, those are exceptions that go against normative trends. Pointing to some outliers who go against the the norm does not negate the norm when it comes to economic, media, social and political power in this country. As I’ve said, whites own almost all the wealth, nearly all the land, all the media and when you look at congress, it’s a sea of white faces. We go to war based on white people’s interests. Our foreign policy is driven by white people’s interests. I’m sure very few blacks or Latinos cared about invading Cuba, funding the Mujahadeen or overturning Allende.

    Sometimes Robert, you say things that make me think you understand. Like when you talk about the way society is programmed to basically see blacks as ugly. You said that you deprogrammed yourself from that thinking. And that programming has even effected young black girls who still choose white dolls over blacks dolls. Imagine how BAG would be flipping out if his white daughter only choose black dolls and thought she was ugly for being white because that’s what society taught her to see when she looked in the mirror. He’d be ready to launch a race war. I think you stumbled onto something there, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a lot of other bad stuff people are raised to think about black people. We are like America’s Dalits, though at least in India, they actually *acknowledge* a caste system.

    I haven’t yet read the book Black Like Me, but I want to. It was about a white man in the 60s who did a reverse Michael Jackson and physically changed himself into a black man. Several decades later, the same thing was repeated in ’94 and the story was posted in The Washington Post. VERY interesting read. Here is a copy of original story: http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/white/solomon.html

    It’s fascinating to read from a white person’s perspective what it’s like to be black. That way nobody can accuse them of just being whiny black people complaining too much.

  3. Imagine how BAG would be flipping out if his white daughter only choose black dolls and thought she was ugly for being white because that’s what society taught her to see when she looked in the mirror.

    Seems that I’ve touched a nerve! At least enough to be singled out. Unfortunately, your dystopian thought experiments won’t come true. Well, perhaps they will if whites continue to sit on their asses and do nothing.

    He’d be ready to launch a race war.

    You’re damn right I would! No majority group that allows itself to loose so much ground deserves any respect. In addition to fighting on behalf of my people, I’ll raise my kids to be proud. I’ll ensure that they are never consumed by white self-hatred.

    As I’ve said, whites own almost all the wealth, nearly all the land, all the media and when you look at congress, it’s a sea of white faces.

    Again, some whites have power. Whites like me, on the other hand, have absolutely no power.

    Besides, if society really were organized around white interests, there wouldn’t be illegal immigration, cultural Marxism, hate crimes legislation and hate speech laws, biased universities that go against white interests, etc.

    Those whites at the top obviously don’t use their power to help guys like me.

    We are like America’s Dalits, though at least in India, they actually *acknowledge* a caste system.

    Can everyone please acknowledge that incredible progress has been made? Blacks enjoy far more rights and opportunities than the Dalits and India. Don’t act like this nation refuses to acknowledge its caste system.

    If what you say is true, there wouldn’t be CRT, “privilege walks,” or other forms of anti-racism deeply entrenched in college campuses and media outlets.

    Let’s be honest, you’re lot living on the plantation or in the Jim Crow south anymore.

    Yeah, I know, past progress is absolutely meaningless because there’s still sooo much to be done. Whites are no different now than they were back then. Four decades of Civil Rights in no way compensates for 400 years of degradation.

    I know, I’ve taken the course on anti-racism.

    But believe me, we’ve come a long way when prejudiced is assessed by rapid image tests designed to root out “colorblind racism.”

    As I’ve stated before, whites dismissing white privilege and racism is nothing new, they were doing it even during Jim Crow.

    But again, what exactly were black activists fighting for? Were they attempting to purify white peoples’ thoughts and make them take “privilege walks” in order to understand just how good they have it? Were they obsessed with getting white people to “deconstruct their whiteness?”

    Okay, you can say that James Baldwin and to a certain extent post-pilgrimage Malcolm X did, but mostly they just wanted independence and freedom from brutal laws and practices.

    Malcolm X and MLK rarely, if ever, used the term “white privilege.”

    Anyway, I can tell that you’re upset with me. Fair enough. I understand I can come across as a bit angry and cynical at times.

    I’m guessing you’re not too pleased that I answered A) instead of C) when presented with your hypothetical situation.

    Oh well, when commenting on blogs, I don’t aim to be a people pleaser.

  4. This brought back a memory of Ralph Nader’s campaign visit to Long Beach, CA in 2000. He was heckled from the crowd about the issue of “race” in his agenda, and when he commented that it is not about “race” but “class,” was heckled even more. Literally off stage. Go figure…

  5. Tim Wise’s thought experiment from the original thread is right as far as it goes about blacks. But substitute Asians and the perceptions would be the same as whites.

    It isn’t race, per se, that motivates perceptions, but observing the behavior of its members.

    1. “It isn’t race, per se, that motivates perceptions, but observing the behavior of its members.”

      If it were only so simple. Psychology and human bias shapes perceptions as much as observations. That’s why there’s such a thing as confirmation bias where we go looking for what we think we’re going to find. For example, to reference another study Tim Wise uses, there were two audiences, one shown a video of a black customer service person, one shown a video of a white customer service person. They were actors and given the identical script to read which portrayed a scenario. The audience rated the black as more aggressive and hostile, even though his script was identical as the whites. Meaning that whites often perceive blacks as more hostile than a white behaving the same way. If you need proof of what I’m saying, look at this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSkeIdFdifY

      1. So white people fear black people? This is hardly a revelation.

        However, take a look at the white vandals and the black vandals.

        The black vandals dressed like thugs from the hood, were intruding on a white suburb, and spoke ebonics when confronted by the strangers.

        Of course, when you’re not from the neighborhood and you look like thugs, surprise surprise, people are going to be afraid.

        At the same time, I do believe that the two calls over the black kids sleeping was insane. If nothing else, I’ll give you that one.

        I cannot help but think that this was somewhat orchestrated. In a white suburb, very few residents would be brave enough to approach or speak to thuggish black kids. They also wouldn’t pull out their cell phones right in front of the black kids.

        Also, since white kids aren’t feared, if white suburban residents saw white kids doing something radically out of the ordinary, such as vandalizing a car in broad daylight, while they certainly won’t call 911 like they did on the black kids, they would confront them.

        At least one of my neighbors would!

        Also, let’s be honest: Even when saying the same things, blacks just carry themselves in a manner different from whites. When it comes to how they speak, they have a different essence, and as previously pointed out, many have “the tude.”

        About that video of the customer service person, it would make a difference depending on whether or not the black person spoke with a black accent.

        There’s something fishy about this video. Really, if a black kids were vandalizing a car, one 911 call would have been enough. The cops would have been sent over right away, and the vandalism would have immediately stopped. There wouldn’t have been enough time for conversations and 10 phone calls.

        Unless the cops and residents were in on it.

        1. Also, people who labor under the illusion that blacks are these wonderful, misunderstood souls who are always wrongly stereotyped really need to spend some time in Oakland.

        2. And Tulio, I understand the point you’re trying to make.

          You believe that while whites let dangerous and dumb shit done by whites slide, they come down much harder on blacks.

          Fair enough. I can agree with that in many ways.

          However, such attitudes aren’t entirely unreasonable. While whites are hardly these perfect, peaceful, and completely law abiding citizens, fear of blacks over whites isn’t completely unjustified.

          Again, compare and contrast Oakland, Detroit, D.C, and Memphis, to Portland, Seattle, Irvine, and SF (which has recently experienced a wave of violent, random attacks against Asians by blacks).

        3. Come on they were just kids. Any adult could’ve probably beaten the shit out of all three of them. They don’t look particularly scary to me. As a white, you have a hard time distinguishing between dressing in just a hiphop style and dressing in a thuggish style. What’s funny is how scared white people are of even just average blacks. Blacks that would probably get their asses whipped, whites are scared to death of them. There’s no reason that 3 white kids trashing a car at a park should only get one call. I mean if I saw it, I’d have walked and been like, “what the fuck are you guys doing to someone’s car??” And if they wanted to get smart-assed, well that’s why I’ve trained in martial arts the last 4 years. Same with the black kids.

          Those kids are dressed hiphop. They don’t look like thugs to me. Now THESE are thugs: http://hiphopisland.com/Got2know/Bloods%20and%20Crips/Crips/pic1.jpg

          That is what comes to mind to me when I think of thugs. Not those 3 black kids who just look like normal young kids that listen to hiphop. And btw, around here I see kids of ALL races, even white dressing in that exact same style with the baggy pants and baseball caps.

        4. One more point. It’s kind of interesting how whites are such a fearful people. Whites are really afraid, of a lot of things. They’re scared of blacks, scared of second hand smoke, scared of genetically modified foods and must eat organic when they can afford it, scared of people with baggy clothes, scared of a black president, etc etc. I can probably come up with a long list of things that whites seem to be neurotically scared of.

          Whites didn’t used to be such scared people. Believe it or not, there was a time when blacks were scared of whites. Whites used to be pretty damn crazy. I remember reading that when Joe Jackson defeated the “Great White Hope”, whites in Chicago were so pissed that a white man lost the match to a black man that they mobbed into a black neighborhood and started beating up blacks in a racial pogram. Believe it or not the thought almost makes me chuckle now, thinking how far the fear has gone in the other direction. Something has happened to whites. They seem like quite a paranoid people these days.

        5. Whites are even afraid of their fellow Whites like me, if you can believe that. I’m not sure why. A lot of Whites think I’m weird and possibly dangerous. I’ve never really been able to figure out what it’s all about. Maybe it’s OCD. I can look pretty distracted and out of it a lot of the time. I’m just off in Bob World much of the time. I have Wandering Mind Syndrome. I don’t really inhabit the real world all that much. I live in the World of My Head. Why people think that that’s possibly dangerous, I haven’t the faintest fucking idea.

          But it’s mostly Whites who feel that way. Blacks almost ever do, same with less assimilated Hispanics, East Indians, etc. The more assimilated Hispanics are not that cool. Pretty soon they start acting all paranoid just like Whites.

          I love my people, but I hate their uptight paranoid bullshit.

          When I was going to Mass a while back, I elected to go to the Spanish language Mass versus the English language one. Spanish language has almost all Hispanics, many not too assimilated. They are very relaxed, easy-going, accepting, warm and non-paranoid people.

          I went to the English language Mass a couple of times and it sucked. Even the Blacks act uptight in there! And those have got to be just about the most uptight and paranoid of all the uptight, paranoid Whites, those White Catholics. Some can be friendly, but DAMN are they tense!

          Too many White people act like they haven’t shit in a month!

        6. Come on they were just kids.

          I was under the impression that they were young teenagers. So yes, while they are kids, they are hardly helpless 12 year olds.

          But yes, point taken.

          As a white, you have a hard time distinguishing between dressing in just a hiphop style and dressing in a thuggish style.

          Well, as I’ve observed, many people who wear hip hop clothing are either wannabe thugs or people who romanticize the thug’s lifestyle.

          So yes, while many whites do make that mistake, hip hop and thug are hardly mutually exclusive.

          What’s funny is how scared white people are of even just average blacks. Blacks that would probably get their asses whipped, whites are scared to death of them.

          I agree with this. Whites are scared shitless of black people. There’s no point in denying it.

          And yes, those black kids would definitely get their asses kicked. However, if you’re a random white individual approaching three black kids, that makes things a bit different.

          The bystander effect also plays a role.

          There’s no reason that 3 white kids trashing a car at a park should only get one

          Again, I agree. As a white advocate, I believe that white scum should be called out and dealt with accordingly. Too many whites don’t care enough about deviants in their community.

          Also, if three white kids were to vandalize a car in my neighborhood (which, for the record, is hardly homogenous. There are a few Asian families and mixed race families/couples, in addition to white families. I don’t know the exact demographics, but whites are not a large majority, if they even are the majority. But anyway, I digress). I for one would not stand for it. I would either have an interesting “talk” with the kids, or I would call the cops.

          I would never tolerate white vandals, and if too many of my fellow whites do, then shame on them! Shame on them for condoning deviant behavior among their own people. Shame on them for setting a bad example for their own kids. Whites are hardly perfect, but we can at least not put up with such crap.

          Since most people on my block are either little kids or middle aged couples, making me the only young adult around, I haven’t had to really deal with obnoxious teenagers of any race.

          Still, white America could use a Bill Cosby of its own.

          And if they wanted to get smart-assed, well that’s why I’ve trained in martial arts the last 4 years. Same with the black kids.

          Now Tulio, you know that you’re only supposed to use martial arts for self-defense! I mean, the point of learning how to fight is so you don’t have to fight! *rolls eyes*

          As someone who’s trained in different forms of martial arts on and off over the past 3 years (Karate, Kung Fu, kickboxing, and now Tae Kwon Do), I too would be able to beat up some smart-assed kids.

          While I have certainly never gotten into violent fights, if someone pissed me off enough, I certainly wouldn’t have a moral objection to kicking ass. The whole notion that people train in martial arts in order to avoid fighting is BS: People looove to fight, but just don’t know how.

          What style do you train in by the way? If we ever encountered, in addition to having intense debates on race, we could also spar!

          But going back to the video, most people probably haven’t trained in martial arts like you. So while you or I wouldn’t be afraid of teaching punk kids of any race some discipline, others will shy away.

          And btw, around here I see kids of ALL races, even white dressing in that exact same style with the baggy pants and baseball caps.

          Co-sign. As I pointed out in a previous post, I used to be a wigger who was into the whole hip hop/ghetto act. During my more naive and ignorant days, and having attended Middle School in Oakland, I thought that was the way to be cool.

          I know you’ll think that I’m full of shit when I say this, but when I see a white guy dressing and acting ghetto, I shy away from him and am uncomfortable. Same with Asians, particularly those Filipino wannabe ghetto types (and believe me, in the Bay Area, you have a ton).

          I’ll be honest, I’m more likely to be afraid of a black guy dressed hip hop/ghetto than a white guy, but that’s probably because I know that the white guy is some pathetic wannabe putting on an act.

          I’ve also known upper middle class, wannabe ghetto blacks in high school. However, when approached by a random black guy dressed ghetto, I won’t be able to assess his economic background, while ghetto looking white guys in white suburbs reek of wiggerness.

          I simply frown upon hip hop/ghetto behavior, regardless of race (though, as I’ve admitted, Im particularly uncomfortable around blacks who act ghetto).

          Do you live in LA, by the way? You hinted that you lived in SoCal, but I never heard you mention a specific city.

        7. I’ve practiced Krav Maga and a bit of Brazilian Jujitsu, though not all that much in the latter, just some basics like how to pull guard, escape from guards, do some basic chokes and joint locks, but my training in BJJ isn’t too extensive.

          I live in L.A.

        8. Whites didn’t used to be such scared people. Believe it or not, there was a time when blacks were scared of whites. Whites used to be pretty damn crazy.

          I know. If our ancestors could see how afraid and wimpy we’ve become, they would be rolling in their graves.

          While those so-called “good ol’ days” weren’t so good for blacks or other groups, whites were at least proud and willing to be crazy, angry, and ultimately human. Now, we’re these pathetic weaklings who refuse to openly express our feelings and act out on our desires.

          I think this is the reason why most school shooters and pedophiles (Hey Robert, you claimed that blacks actually have a higher child molestation rate than whites. Still waiting for the statistics on that) are white (even though white school shooters are rare, and blacks also are disproportionately involved in serial killing). Many whites behave in a hyperconformist manner, and eventually a few crazy ones unleash their pent up frustration in a torrent of dysfunction.

          I love my people, but I agree with Robert. We are way too frightened. Whether it’s PC, global warming, Muslim terrorists, genetically modified food, etc, we’ve lost our backbone.

          Granted, I’m no fan of second hand smoke, Muslim terrorists, or other things whites are afraid of, but I don’t run from them in terror. If someone is smoking around me, I simply try to avoid it, because, lets be honest, second hand smoke is very unhealthy. While I am apprehensive around blacks who wear baggy clothing, I don’t flee from them, and occasionally even strike up conversations (I’ve had rare conversations at BART).

          Certainly, there are various problems whites face, and many of these problems should certainly concern whites. I’ve highlighted the various problems whites face already. To not be concerned about these problems would show great obliviousness.

          At the same time, I agree with Tulio on this one. I don’t understand the obsession among some whites (note: some. Whites who care about organic food don’t exactly represent the majority. At lot of the concerns you mentioned can be found in SWPL, and apply to yuppie types) with genetically modified food or certain other food related problems. I eat junk food and other crap all the time and I love it!

          In general, whites need to man up, develop a backbone, and go back to being the crazy and expressive SOB’s that we used to be!

          There’s no reason why there should have been a shift from blacks being afraid of whites to whites being scared shitless of blacks (in spite of black anger and violent crime in certain areas).

        9. I’ve practiced Krav Maga and a bit of Brazilian Jujitsu, though not all that much in the latter, just some basics like how to pull guard, escape from guards, do some basic chokes and joint locks, but my training in BJJ isn’t too extensive.

          Interesting. Those are definitely different styles from what I’ve learned.

          Those styles are definitely good for handling the average punk, since most random thugs are really wimps who can’t fight for shit, and often resort to simply grabbing you.

          Grappling styles are definitely good against the average thug.

          However, if you were to fight a fellow martial artist who knew Kung Fu, a grappling style would be limited, since your opponent could strike you from long distance with kicks and various hand strikes.

          Well, perhaps this can be put to the test. If I ever visit L.A. again, I’ll be sure to find you and challenge you to a duel! We’ll see whose the more adept martial artist! Lol!

        10. “However, if you were to fight a fellow martial artist who knew Kung Fu, a grappling style would be limited, since your opponent could strike you from long distance with kicks and various hand strikes. ”
          You sure about that?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjK0g-cDJI4

          Oh and Krav Maga isn’t a grappling style. It’s stand up. It’s a military style of fighting based on realism and real life scenarios. It’s the official hand to hand combat system of the Israeli military. What differentiates KM from other styles is all the military stuff with guns and knives. Not just using them but learning to defend against them, and take them away from opponents. A lot of cops train in KM too and they are only going to teach cops stuff that is made for the streets.

        11. L.A. is a great place to be for martial arts. Probably the best place in the U.S. So many awesome schools here and different styles. Any style you want you can find here. We have some of the best MMA gyms out in the country. The Gracies have their main BJJ academy here too. We’re also the Krav Maga N. American headquarters.

  6. To Tulio:

    Almost all of your entire rebuttals have to do with Black/White dynamics and not Black/Anyone else nor White/Anyone else. This is in keeping with the likes of Tim Wise and Robert Jensen, all of the supporting arguments for White privilege cite the gaps between Black and White but generally ignore other groups.

      1. I agree with Alpha. Out of all non-white groups, to the extent that whites fear and despise them, blacks are at the top of the list (though this doesn’t mean that all or even most whites despise blacks).

        However, I also agree with Milton. Being a Californian, most of the non-whites I know are Hispanic and Asian. We need to stop speaking of race relations as solely a white and black affair.

  7. There are few forms of martial arts that aren’t effective against people who don’t really know how to fight, including most punk kids and bullies. The one time in the past 20 yrs. or so I was physically threatened by someone (not a huge deal, just some wannabe gang banger whoo was pretending to slap me in the face) I simply waited for him to get close enough and crushed his foot and/or ankle with a good hard stomp. He fell to the ground and I walked away. I was very paranoid for a couple weeks that his friends would be looking for me, or that I had ended up on security camera and the cops would be after me for excessive force (he never actually touched me, after all), but nothing ever happened. I never saw him again, and I shop at the same store to this day.

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