Tim Wise, “What If the Tea Partiers Were Black?”

I have very mixed feelings about this guy, but sometimes he’s just right, or at least part-right. This is one of those times. Check it out. I don’t care if he’s a self-hating White. Big deal. What matters is the message, not the man.

Tulio wrote an “Imagine” piece in the comments a while back that was similar to this column. It was a tour de force, so great I was sure he copied it, but apparently he made it up. These thought experiments can be very useful because they illuminate personal and political issues in allegorical way that sometimes hits home in the solar plexus.

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14 thoughts on “Tim Wise, “What If the Tea Partiers Were Black?””

  1. I am not a big fan of the Tea Party folks but I could easily offer a rebuttal to almost every speculation of Mr Wise. As usual Tim Wise cherry pick’s information and ignores what “his side” is doing or has done.

    1. As usual Tim Wise cherry pick’s information and ignores what “his side” is doing or has done.

      Exactly! I have to give Tim credit where credit is due: he does present facts in a forceful manner. However, it isn’t so much his use of facts, but rather his dishonest use of those facts and omission of other facts that’s the problem.

      Hey Uncle Milton, can you offer a rebuttal?

      But hey, I can counter a white sellout with a black sellout.

      http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder040110.php3

      http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder092409.php3

      http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder080609.php3

      And his best one

      http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder113006.php3

      Now granted, I don’t have a ton of respect for Larry Elder, and I think he also cherry picks and blows certain things out of proportion.

      However, one can easily refute Wise’s arguments.

  2. His analysis is thought provoking, but it’s a bit flawed.

    He acts as if all these white loons get away with everything they say. Obviously, the fact that they regularly get denounced as extremists by the MSM and major newspapers indicates that they aren’t exactly embraced.

    Besides, one could easily write a diatribe that details how blacks can get away with certain speech that whites could never get away with, and then use PC speech double standards as evidence that there’s “black privilege.” That doesn’t make such a diatribe true.

    However, I will give him credit where credit is due. Yes, if blacks did the same thing whites did, whites certainly wouldn’t take too kindly to it. And why should they? It makes sense for whites to get angrier at blacks militants when such militants rail against them, as opposed to getting angry at white militants who rail against blacks. Similarly, blacks don’t have a problem with the NOI or other black militant black organizations, but get angry at white tea baggers.

    That’s tribalism for you. And yes, I acknowledge that it is a double standard. But if you’re looking at this from a white perspective, it makes sense. You’re more likely to side with your own people than others.

    Besides, let’s be honest: Has any black person actually been lynched or murdered by tea partiers?

    Meanwhile, many whites are still the victims of black crime. Believe me, black thugs have done far more damage than these tea partiers.

    Trust me, I don’t have much love for these loony tea baggers, but I’m not entirely buying Wise’s diatribe (what else is new)?

  3. Hey Robert, speaking of imaginary role reversals, do you remember my imaginary dystopia, which served as a rebuttal to tulio?

    Don’t forget to include me!

    Lol! Just kidding, I don’t really care.

  4. “Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition.”

    How often do Tea Party folks actually carry ak 47s (or any guns for that matter) to their protests?

  5. To Rob:

    Imagine that a rap artist were to say, in reference to a white president: “He’s a piece of shit and I told him to suck on my machine gun.” Because that’s what rocker Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama.

    1) The Nuge rails against any politician he perceives is against gun control and does not reserve his invective towards Barack Obama.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKvgHhS6hRU&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv5HJkp5sY0&feature=related

    ” Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama..”

    He said it about candidate Obama (and something similar about Hillary) in 2007:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYmFAwhmqaU

    FWIW:
    http://bumpshack.com/2008/07/30/ludacris-bashes-hilary-mccain-bush-in-new-rap-lyrics/

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

  6. To O’ Dochartaigh:

    Well this Black man did:
    http://blog.reidreport.com/2009/08/arizona-black-gun-nut-linked-to-pastor-who-wants-obama-dead-melted-like-a-slug/

    but I don’t think it’s common nor do I think “hundreds” in Tim Wise’s words, of Tea Partiers ever descended upon Washington armed with AK-47s. (where they are quite illegal…)

    “Not only did Brewer, Ratigan, and Toure fail to point out the fact that the gun-toting protester that sparked the discussion was black, but the video footage shown of that protester was so edited, that it was impossible to see that he was black. The man appeared at a health care rally outside of President Obama’s speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Arizona.”

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/08/18/msnbc-no-mention-black-gun-owner-among-racist-protesters#ixzz0mqSbKRDl

    http://palintwibe.blogspot.com/2010/03/lloyd-marcus-black-man-progressives.html

  7. Wise is correct here.

    The problem is that people like Tim Wise don’t normally accept “reverse the races” arguments on issues like whether the Reginald Denny, Jena 6 or Duke Lacrosse cases should have been covered in the context of hate.

  8. Lets see … Wise hmmm … That sound very American, NOT!

    Any political writing that don’t take in the JEW-factor is just braindead disinfo bullshit. The TEA party is hijacked by the Jew.

    http://incogman.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/sarah-palin-zionists-tea-party-trojan-horse/
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    Cummunism is a Jewish Fraud

    Communism is about one thing and one thing only – jews getting ALL the political power. The Jew have wanted to take over Russia, the world largest country, at least since Napoleon. When the Jew Karl Marx came up with the jewish swindle communism 1848 about 99 percent of all jews became communists over night. The reason is that communism is an updated quickversion of the jews Talmud.

    The jew tried to take over Russia in 1881, then again in 19o5 and made it in 1917. lt was a well planned coup lead by jews, financed by jews and done by jews. The “revoultion” bullshit is just a smokescreen to hide that it was all about JEWS taking over Russia.

    What really happened was that the jew took over the Secret Police in Russia. The first thing the jew did was to kill the Tsar’s Secret Police and replace the russians with jews. Who control the Secret Police in a communist dictatorship lS THE STATE.

    And the jew was in 100 percent control of the Secret Police in Sovjet-Russia from day one to 1990.

    What the jew did next was to take the phone book and there the entire old russian elite was by name, adress and occupation. Only the elite could afford a phone in Russia 1917. What the jews did was that they went home to every single name in the phone book, took the whole family to the forest and shoot them in the back of the head. Man, wife and children.

    Then the jews moved into their homes, hence the jew had replaced the entire old russian elite with a New Jew Elite. And that is what communism is all about, replacing the old elite with jews.

    Every single smear-slander word in communist vocabulary, bourgeouis, kulak, enemy of the state etc etc is jewish codeword for: Enemy of The Jews.

    The whole marxist-leninist mumbo-jumbo BS is all about one thing, to HIDE that communism is all about jews taki8ng over the state to 100 percent. That the jew was in 190 percent control of Sovjet-russia after 1917 is selfevident. The FIRST law the jew wrote in 1917 was death penalty for the jew’s bogus accusation “antismite”.

    lf the russian people was in control of the sovjet state, for what reason would the russian write a law that made them to second class citizens in their own country? This is a Hate Law and the jew wrote the law in Sovjet, just the same as the jew is today writing ALL the Hate Law’s in the entire western world. Today the max penalty is five years in prison for talking back to any jew in the western world. The jew want death penalty in the whole world for anyone that talk back to the jew.

    lf the jew can pull that swindle off, than the jew rules the world. And that is what the´jew want, to rule the world.

    Everything in communist vocabulary are jewish codewords. “Worker” is jewish codeword for: The jews slaves. The jews was rolling over the floor when the jew said: Workers in all countries unite. Translation: Stupid Goyim (jew smear word for non-jew) in all the countries, unite and enslave yourself to the jew.

    “Comrade” is jewish codeword for stupid goyim that will do anything to please his jew master. As a non-jew you can be one of three thing in a jew run communist dictatorship: “comrade”, “worker” or Enemy of the Jew.

    The-jew-commies-natural born killers

    http://incogman.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/the-jew-commies-natural%c2%a0born%c2%a0killers/

  9. FrankBD
    May 3, 2010 at 2:42 AM
    Wise is correct here.

    The problem is that people like Tim Wise don’t normally accept “reverse the races” arguments on issues like whether the Reginald Denny, Jena 6 or Duke Lacrosse cases should have been covered in the context of hate.
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    heg: What you shit for brain commie-“liberal” don’t get is that the whole race issue is instigated by the JEW. Take any jew and he-she will tell you with tears in the eyes that there is no such thing as race and that we are all equal. Now, turn on and wtach any jew run TalmudVision (TV) and what is all the very same jew talks about? Race issue.

    lt’s just like here at RL’s blog, it’s on and on and on and … about race. What the jew do is that he pits people against each other. Every year 35.ooo WHITE women in USA are raped by niggers. That is three-five-zero-zero-zero, five digits.

    How many black women are raped by white people in America every year? ZERO to less then ten. This is official FBl stats.

    When did the jew tell you this on the jew run TalmudVision? The jew don’t. Why? Because all the jew is interested in is to pit black people against white people, the other way around is of no interest whatsoever to the jew.

    This has NOTHING to do with “biased media”. This is jewish hate-propaganda agains all white people.

    When a WHITE couple are carjacked in Knoxville, USA, both was gang raped by six niggers, that diden’t even make fronpage in the local paper. lf that had been a white gang that did that, that would be frontpage in ALL jew-paper and on ALL jew run TalmudVision. lf it had been white that did that it would be on all frontpages years on end,

    The ONLY thing that is interesting the jew is to pit black against white people. What the jew will do is take anything that even remotely could be described as White Supremecy and spin it. Jena 6.

    “The problem is that people like Tim Wise don’t normally accept “reverse the races” arguments on issues like whether the Reginald Denny, Jena 6 or Duke Lacrosse cases should have been covered in the context of hate.”

    The jew is NOT interested in if it’s factual. The ONLY thing the jew is interested in is to make black hate white people. Whole race issue is a jew instigated hate all white people jewish hatepropaganda. The jew started all the civil rights mov. in USA. lt was financed by the jew, lead by the jew and carried out by the jew. 65 percent, two in three on the CRM was jews.

    The jew pulled the same pit black agains white people jew-scam in South-Africa and all over in Africa. Take away the jew and you would never hear a word about criminal niggers like Mandela or that Malcom.

  10. The JEW want a race war. That is why the jew is pitting blacks and hispanic agains white people. Race war is good for the jew, because then stupid white and stupid black people don’t think about the jew.

    1. @ Heg

      I can understand your frustration as a white person. Believe me, I harbor many frustrations.

      However, spewing racial slurs and railing against “dem Jews” only makes you look like a freak.

      Believe me, I (as well as honest Jews such as Jewamongyou) am well aware that Jews are disproportionately involved in far left, anti-racist efforts.

      They disproportionately were involved in the NAACP, the 1965 immigration act, CRT, and other anti-white policies and movements.

      However, you seem to conflate disproportionate with all. Not all Jews are like Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev, Susan Sontag, etc.

      There are pro-white Jews such as Paul Gottfried, Michael Levin (though I don’t agree with his racial science), Michael H. Hart, Jewamongyou, and others.

      Piece of advice for white advocates: Leave racial slurs and Jewish conspiracy rants at the door. You only make the rest of us look bad when you fail to do so.

  11. Of course not all jews are commie-“liberal” scumbags. “ONLY” like 99 percent of all jews. The jew killed at least 20 million white russians. The jew is the biggest mass murderer in history of man. And you want to be nice to the jew!

    The Jew’s big plan is to kill ALL white people. That is why the jew wholesale promotes free abortions, unrestricted 3 world mass immigration into all white countries and race mixing in the jew operated talmudVision.

    You think white people are racist? Then watch jew run MTV for an hour. ALL white girls are with noggers. ALL white male on MTV are ALWAYS portrayed as idiots.

    Not ONE single jew have said one single word against the Jew Sontag and her -The white man is the cancer of the world (or something like that).

    The Jew is spewing his hate for the white male 24-7 wholesale on ALL TalmudVision in ALL white countries. And you want to be nice to the racist hatemongering jew!

    As l said, the jew’s plan is to kill off the entire white race. lf the jew can pull that jew swindle off, the jew can declare the jew to be the white people. That would mean that the jew did what the jew did in Russia, replacing the old white elite with jews, but this time in the whole western world.

    Whatever the jew do he uses codeword to HIDE what he is up to. The smear-slander Racist, rightwing extremist, bigot, homofob, etc etc are all jewish codeword for Enemy of the Jew. What the jew is doing is that he is killing off all Enemies of the Jew. With the help of white stupid commie-“liberal”.
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    As for Sovjet-Russia there is nothing “conspiracy rant” about it, the jew was running Sovjet lock, stock and barrel. Period lt can all be proven with JEW ONLY SOURCES, that not one single jew can debunk! And the jew run Sovjet-Russia as jews, not as “comrades”.

    What the jew did was that they stole the biggest country in the world, app. three time the size of USA. Renamed her Sovjet, the jew do ALWAYS change name, then the jew turned Russia into the jew’s private army for world conquest. The jew used 35, three-five percent of Sovjet GNP on the military. Sovjet imperialism was in fact JEWish imperialism. The jew’s plan was to conquer the whole western Europe during ww2. That war was FORCED on Germany and Hitler. He knew that the jew was running Sovjet and he knew that the jew’s plan was to conquer W.E. That forced Hitler to do a military buildup.

    Why Hitler invaded to the west was because the jew run UK and the jew run USA was planning to invade Germany. What Hitler did was to secure all the docks from Spain to the north pole. The docks was the reason, not some world conquest BS we are told 24-7. lf your going to invade over open water you MUST have docks on the other side of the water. No docks no heavy equipment = lnvasion mission impossible.

    UK-USA had four docks with them when they invaded Europe mainland. Why? because they knew that Hitler would blow all docks.

    Here is what the jew did in ALL Europe countries the jew run Sovjet invaded during ww2. lf the jew had made it and invaded all of W.E. the jew would have done the same as the jew did in Sovjet-Russia, the jew would get the phone book and killed off the entire old white elite.

    Mandatory. The Jew and the Jew Run Sovjet

    Jews Greet the Soviet Invaders

    The purpose of this compilation is not simply to present evidence for the widespread phenomenon of throngs of Jews, often dressed in their best attire for the occasion, avidly greeting the Soviet invaders of Poland in September 1939. Jewish accounts about such pro-Soviet outbursts are legion, as are Polish accounts. Many of them attest to the boundless and uncritical enthusiasm for the new regime that consumed large segments of the Jewish population. That, after all, is not the crux of the Polish case. What is disconcerting, is that these manifestations were generally accompanied by declarations of loyalty to the Soviet Union and open and flagrant displays of anti-Polish sentiments and conduct.

    In Wilno:

    … The Red Army entered … early on the morning of Tuesday, 19 September 1939, to an enthusiastic welcome by Vilna’s Jewish residents, in sharp contrast to the Polish population’s reserve and even hostility. Particular ardour was displayed by leftist groups and their youthful members, who converged on the Red Army tank columns bearing sincere greetings and flowers.

    According to another Jewish eyewitness from Wilno:

    … It is hard to describe the emotion that swept me as I saw in the street, across from our gate, a Russian tank bearing grinning young men with a blazing red star on their berets. As the machines came to a halt, the people crowded around. Somebody shouted: “Long live the Soviet government!” and everyone cheered. … You could hardly find a Gentile in that crowd. … Many people did not stop and consider what this regime would bring in its wake. … everyone greeted the Russians unanimously, as they would the Messiah.

    Israeli historian, Dov Levin, writes:

    … Various accounts attest to the joyous welcome that the Red Army received almost everywhere. When the Jews of Kowel [Wolhynia] were informed that the Red Army was approaching the town, they “celebrated all night”. When the Red Army actually entered Kowel, “the Jews greeted [it] with indescribable enthusiasm”…

    In Baranowicze, “People kissed the soldiers’ dusty boots. … Children ran to the parks, picked the autumn flowers, and showered the soldiers with them. … Red flags were found in the blink of an eye, and the entire city was bedecked in red”.

    The town of Kobryn [Polesia] was awash in red flags, which local communists had prepared by removing the white stripe from the two-color Polish flag. The cheering crowd scattered leaflets castigating the fascist [sic] Polish regime and lauding the Red Army and its augury of liberation. In Ciechanowice [Ciechanowiec], a band of Jewish communists erected an “arch of triumph” bedecked with posters bearing general greetings and messages such as: “Long Live the Soviet Regime”.

    The Jews of Rozhinoy (Rozana, or Ruzhany) [Rozana] treated the day of the Soviet occupation as a religious festival, greeting each other with mazel tov.

    … the sight of the Jews of Janow [Janow Poleski], greeting the Red Army in their prayer shawls, was something that had [sic] many of the Jewish-born Soviet troops had certainly never before beheld.

    http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews_2.html
    http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews.html

    Everybody should do a JEW search at Robert’s blog. That would teach you a thing and two about the racist hatemongering jew.

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