Are Lebanese White?

White nationalists (WN’s) typically say that all Lebanese are non-Whites, and in fact, they usually hate them, since they hate all non-Whites.

We get into the issue of who is White. Probably ~80% of WN’s in the US are Nordicists, which is the stupidest and most insane type of WN of all. These people generally say that only Northern Europeans are White. They classify even Southern Europeans as non-Whites, and a few say that Slavs are non-Whites, though this view is not common.

According to Nordicists, Irish, British, Icelandics, Faroese, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Danes, Germans, Dutch, Belgians, French, Swiss, Northern Italians, Slovenians, Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Belorussians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Russians are all White. These are the only White people.

Typically, Spaniards, Portuguese, Southern Italians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbs, Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians, Bosnians, Greeks, Turks, Jews and Armenians are defined as non-Whites. Furthermore, everyone outside of Europe is automatically defined as non-White, which is preposterous and makes no sense, although some will say that Iranians are White.

This has always struck me as utterly insane. The only logical view of who is White is anyone who is part of the European native peoples or looks like they could be one of the European native peoples. We might have a tough case with the Lapps though, who are partly Asiatic.

By this view, Spaniards, Portuguese, Southern Italians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbs, Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians, Bosnians, Greeks, Turks, Armenians, Jews, Georgians, Azeris, Iranians and Caucasus people are all White, flat out. No argument.

Furthermore, there are folks outside of Europe who look like Whites. So we could divide extra-European Caucasians into White Caucasians and non-White Caucasians. Therefore, while many Arabs, Berbers, Pakistanis, Indians, etc. are not White, there are indeed White Arabs, White Berbers, White Pakistanis and even White Indians. How do we know which is which? Mostly phenotype.

A classic example of White Arabs would be these Lebanese women demonstrating against Syria in the 2005 Color Revolution. Most of these women are probably Maronite Christians. Christian Arabs, even in Iraq, are often the Whitest Arabs of all for unknown reasons, possibly because they did not own slaves and therefore breed with their slaves as the Muslims did.

Look at the women in those pics. Where do these WN dickwads get off saying these chicks are not White? What a bunch of tools these WN’s are.

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395 thoughts on “Are Lebanese White?”

  1. st maron never live in lebanon jejej he never visited or see it..his followers later fled and ettle in hermel in noth east of lebanon..u look like a kid has 10 years..after the emperior constantine issued the christianism as religion for roma,all the pagan coverted and already the phoenician were orthodox..and we as sunna the 2nd religion and later came the maronite and the shiaa and the alawite and later the druzze and finally the jew and finally the arminian and the assirianos y caldeneos..and one last things..let be honest we as ebanese we mix the religion in everything and this is part of uncivilization way..to progress and develop we must when we talk or disccuss never interfer the religion..because all the relgion ask to do good but the followers mislead and behave wrong way isnt the fault of the religion it is the fault of our parent when they dont educate us and learn us to respect the other..my mom grew up with christian friends and my grandfather burial`s walked with him a lot of HIS CHRISTIAN FRIENDS..and by the way i m married from christian evangalical woman..and i dont need to proof u anything..all i demand to show and express ur self in good way and be away about what ur mom or dad told u ..chinese wisdom said if u wana be smart dont believe all u hear nor all u see and dont say all u know…at the end all the people would look at us as arab no matter what because they dont care about our detail and sadly all the people here think the we have desert and we have camel and i even never saw one and isnt a shame but we rnt desert nor nomad..and i m sure i look white more than my eyes are gree and my hair is brown can u tell me the color of ur eyes so i proof u that u have arab blood more than me..and dont forget big part of the arab before the islam were christian and big part didnt convert and keep being christianism especilly the 1st maronite who were settled in homs hama and alepo

  2. “The descendant`s of Shem settled al Majdal the navel of the earth,which is stuated between Satidama and the sea between the Yemen and syria,God bequethed them prophecy scripture and beauty and gave them complexions that were brown and white from Prophet’s and Patriarchs”
    so complexion is referring to color of skin many arabs have black hair but very fair color so this is correct also there are ones who are a dusky color as well as brown

  3. on 03/10/11 i dreamt of the Prophet PBH talking to Abu Bakr Siddique RA and was asking him(Abu Bakr SiddiqueRA) about the Pashtun people he Abu Bakr RA said I am lighter than them in color but they are the same as us he and the Prophet PBH

    if i am correct it edomites people doing dna testing have told lies about the pashtun this edomite face i have dreamt of and i saw faces of the pashtun also i met one jatt muslim from kashmir long time ago he did not resembled the punjabi people who called themselves jatt and i have seen my g g g grandfather who was pashtun he looked like this guy more of a semitic face and on 06/03/12 i dreamt i was wondering about my pashtun forefather( why he resembled the man from kashmir) and i saw something to do with rajput and i saw edomite

    ( this is true because today i found this 09/06/12 ) Contrary to the theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites, the British doctor and authority on oriental languages, Henry Walter Bellew, accredited for writing the first Pushtu dictionary,[1] suggested that the Pashtuns (Pathans) are actually a mixture of the Greek and Indian Rajput peoples.[2][3]

    Bellew’s theory was that all Pashtun tribal names could be traced to Greek and Rajput names, which posits the further possibility of a great Greek mixing with the ancient border tribes of India.[4][5] In addition, the renowned Arab historian Masudi wrote thatKandahar, the city in which most Pashtuns were concentrated at the time, “is a country of Rajputs” and was a separate kingdom with a non-Muslim ruler. wikipedia

  4. Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India was found to be largely confined to the castes[20] with no occurrence in the tribals, but a new study has found it at higher percentages (10%) among the Tharu indigenous people of Terai, Nepal.[31] In India, the J2 haplogroup is almost absent from tribals. Haplogroup J2b is associated with the Neolithic Greeks that spread agriculture. It has been found in the Dravidian middle classes in (high frequencies) also in the Northwest of India.The frequency of J2 is higher in South Indian castes (19%) than in North Indian castes (11%) or Pakistan (12%).[20] Haplogroup J was found to be even more common in India’s Shia Muslim community, of which 28.7% belong to haplogroup J, with 13.7% in J2a-M410, 10.6% in J1 and 4.4% in J2b.[32] The high variance of J2b2 in South Asia indicates a probable pre-Neolithic migration.(wikipedia)

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    J2

    Main article: Haplogroup J2 (Y-DNA)

    Haplogroup J2 It is composed of several sub-Haplogroups representing several different countries like Turkey, Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Aegean, Balkan, Italy. One sub Haplogroup M172* is mainly found in the Northern Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean, Iran, Central Asia, and Southern Europe. Is is though to have originated in Anatolia (Turkey and Kurdstan) ie North Mesopotamia, and spread to Europe and to other Middle countries like Lebanon Palestine Iraq, Syria. J2 subclades is found also in Armenia, Azerbaijan), Iran, Central Asia, and South Asia: for example, Muslim Kurds (28.4%), Central Turks (27.9%), Georgians (26.7%), Iraqis (25.2%), Lebanese (25%), Ashkenazi Jews (23.2%), Sephardi Jews (28.6%), Iranians (23.3%), Tajiks (18.4%), and Pakistanis (14.7%). J2 is not regularly found in Semitic-speaking populations of Africa, such as the Amhara and Tigrinya in Ethiopia (Semino et al. 2004). However, J2 has been found to encompass several subhaplogroups (22 subhaplogroups, including 5 that have high frequencies) that originated or expanded in different regions: Italy, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia (Turkey and Kurds), the Caucasus (Georgia), and Somalia (see ref: Semino et al. 2004). Haplogroup J2 was used to be considered a genetic marker of Anatolian Neolithic agriculturalists. It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20.6%, Albanians 19.6%) and in southern Italy (16.7-29.1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6.2%, Hungarians 2.0%, Ukrainians 7.3%) and in Southeastern Iranian-speaking areas (Pashtuns 5.2%, Pamiris 6.1%). A significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) was detected in western and south-western India (the highest being 21% among Dravidian middle castes, followed by upper castes, 18.6%, and lower castes 14%; Sengupta et al. 2006).http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_J_%28Y-DNA%29

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    Origins

    Haplogroup J2 is widely believed to be associated with the spread of agriculture from Mesopotamia.[1][9]

    “The main spread of J2 into the Mediterranean area is thought to have coincided with the expansion of agricultural people’s during the Neolithic period.”[2] The age of J2 has been estimated as 18,500 +/- 3,500 years ago.[1] Its distribution, centered in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe, its association with the presence of Neolithic archaeological artifacts, such as figurines and painted pottery,[21] and its association with annual precipitation have been interpreted as evidence that J2, and in particular its J2a-M410 subclade belonged to the agricultural innovators who followed the rainfall.[22] However, Di Giacomo stressed the role of post-Neolithic migratory phenomenon, specifically that of the Ancient Greeks, as also being important in the dispersal of Hg J2.[7] Haplogroup J2b on the other hand is associated with the Neolithic Greeks that spread agriculture. It has been found in the Dravidian middle classes in high frequencies also in the Northwest of India.http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_J2_%28Y-DNA%29

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    1. The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)

      (Extracts from ‘The Original Indians — An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)

      How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.

      South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€

      Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.

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      Another interesting characteristic in the distribution of M172 and more specifically, M410, in India was its higher frequencies in Upper Caste Dravidians. M410+ chromosomes were found in 13% of Upper Caste Dravidians. Sengupta goes on to suggest an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers but from a Y chromosome perspective, the paper seems to acknowledge M172 arriving in India from Middle Eastern and Indus Valley Civilizations.http://m172.blogspot.ca/2008_11_01_archive.html

  5. The Muslim historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (c. 915) recounts a tradition that the wife of Lud was named Shakbah, daughter of Japheth, and that she bore him “Faris, Jurjan, and the races of Faris”. He further asserts that Lud was the progenitor of not only the Persians, but also the Amalekites and Canaanites, and all the peoples of the East, Oman, Hejaz, Syria, Egypt, and Bahrein. wikipedia

  6. To Lud bin Shem was born Tasm and Judays?who dwelt in al Yamaamah.Lud also begot ‘Imliq whose dwelling place was the holy area(al haram) and the outskirts of Makka. Some of his descendant’s reached Syria among these are the Amalekites from whom the Pharaohs of Egypt came. To Lud to was born Umaym who had many offspring some of these broke away to join Gomer bin Japheth in East.

    from prophets and patriarchs

  7. On a spiritual side I have seen Prophet Muhammad PBH 10times and I say it with no boasting I dreamt of the Prophet PBH and I am standing besides him and I was told I am not a sayyid and I ask the Prophet PBH about the Indian people, he PBH had a big smile on his face this is why I started to find out about the Indian people particularly the dark ones 2times I dreamt the dravidians are the sumerians and 1time they are from Canaan and that the blacks and ethiopians are from cush ibn ham

    and after a yr I came across something in Prophets and Patriarchs which it said 2times Nimrod(disbeliever was son of cush son of canaan son of ham There is two cush’s and people have gotten them mixed up the sumerians migrated to india but also they went into southern arabia thats how a group of them made it to the horn of africa and the dark afro asiatic elamites are from Phut ibn Ham yes the cushites from cush ibn ham are indeed blessed as well

    i dreamt a explanation of the dravidians i was told in the dream (hamitic) in type with straight hair and were also egyptians then after some time i dreamt the dravidians came from the fertile crescent in syria close to the sea and after this i dreamt they came from egypt close to the sea and i see arrows showing their travel one arrow goes up into the fertile crescent in syria and the other goes east through south iraq and southern iran until the arrow reached northwest india! also i dreamt of a migration in the shape of a U on the river nile nowhere did i see anything to do with the horn of africa On 13/11/11 I dreamt the dravidians are Phoenicians( A branch of Dravidians did settle in the fertile crescent in syria close to the sea)

    and i found this article on the dravidians below

    The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)

    (Extracts from ‘The Original Indians — An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)

    How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.

    South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€

    Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.

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    The Mediterraneans or Dravidians were associated with the ancient Sumerian civilizations of Mesopotamia and of Elam (southern Iran). Authors have pointed out ethnic, linguistic and cultural affinities between the Sumerians (Mesopotamians) and the Dravidians of South India, and concluded that both probably belonged to the same ethnic stock. HR Hall writes: “The ethnic type of the Sumerians, so strongly marked in their statues and relofs was as different from those of the races which surrounded them as was their language from those of the Semites, Aryans and others; they were decidedly Indian in type. The face-type of the average Indian today is no doubt much the same as that of the Dravidian race ancestors thousands of years ago…And it is to this Dravidian ethnic type of India that the ancient Sumerian bears most resemblance, so far as we can judge from his monuments. He was very like a Southern Hindu of the Deccan (who still speaks Dravidian languages). And it is by no means improbable that the Sumerians were an Indian tribe which passed, certainly by land, perhaps also by sea, through Persia to the valley of the Two Rivers.â€

    Hall is of the opinion that Dravidian people must have migrated to Mesopotamia from India, whereas others think Dravidians came from Mediterranean regions, which was their earlier home. KP Padmanabha Menon writes about their close relationship: “Orientalists, many of them, are prepared to concede that the Sumerians, the Mediterranean race, are branches of the early Dravidians.â€

  8. dravidians are L
    info below is from wikipedia!

    L was found in( 51% of Syrians from Al-Raqqah), a northern Syrian city in which its previous inhabitants have been wiped out by the Mongols by and repopulated in recent times by localBedouin populations and Chechen war refugees.[4] In a small sample of Israeli Druze haplogroup L was found in 7 out of 20 (35%). However, studies done on bigger samples showed that L-M20 averages 5% in Israeli Druze,[5] 8% in Lebanese Druze,[6] and it was not found in a sample of 59Syrian Druze. Haplogroup L has been found in 2.0% (1/50)[7] to 5.25% (48/914)[8] of Lebanese. wikipedia

    L y dna

    Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)

    for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran

    3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnioğlu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)

    The subclades of Haplogroup L with their defining mutation(s), according to the 2011 ISOGG tree:

    L (M11, M20, M22, M61/Page43, M185)
    L* Found only in Europe from Ireland to Eastern Europe[26]
    L1 (M295) Found from Western Europe to South Asia [27]
    L1*
    L1a (M27, M76, P329) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, andBalochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia but also in European populations
    L1b (M317) Found at low frequency in Central Asia, Southwest Asia, and Central Europe
    L1b*
    L1b1 (M349) Principally found in Europe
    L1b2 (M274)
    L1c (M357) Found frequently among Burushos, Kalashas, Chechensand Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations inPakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
    L1c*
    L1c1 (PK3) Found frequently among Kalash

    Mari (modern Tell Hariri, Syria) was an ancient( Sumerian and Amorite city), located 11 kilometers north-west of the modern town of Abu Kamal on the western bank of Euphrates river, some 120 km southeast of Deir ez-Zor, Syria. It is thought to have been inhabited since the 5th millennium BC, although it flourished with series of superimposed palaces that spans a thousand years, from 2900 BC until 1759 BC, when it was sacked by Hammurabi.[1]

    Abu Kamal (Arabic: أبو كمال‎, Turkish: Ebu Kemal or Kışla) is a city in eastern Syria on theEuphrates River near the border with Iraq. The Euphrates divides Abu Kamal into two areas: Shamiyya (belonging to the Levant) and Jazira (belonging to Mesopotamia) Al-Jazira, a plains region consisting of northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq, quite distinct from the Syrian Desertand lower-lying central Mesopotamia. Abu Kamal is an economically prosperous farming region with cattle-breeding, cereals, and cotton crops. It is also home to the historical site Dura-Europos and the ancient kingdom of Mari.

  9. The origin of the Nabateans remains obscure, but they were Aramaic speakers, and the term “Nabatean” was the Arabic name for an Aramean of Syria and Iraq. wikipedia this is true because in Prophets and Patriarchs it says when the Thamud perished the remaining sons of Aram were known as Arman they are the Nabateans
    and On 04/27/12 I dreamt (ru’ya) that the Arameans are Hebrews

  10. ‘Imliq is the father of the Amalekites from whom came the berbers,who are children of Thamila bin Maarib bin Faaraan bin ‘Amr bin ‘Imliq bin Lud bin Sam(Shem) bin Nuh (Noah)PBH from prophets and patriarchs

    1. imliq (Amalekites)are descendants of the adites as they mixed”

      Ibn Khaldun

      Historian and scholar, Ibn Khaldun also mentions the Thamud several times in his great universal history al-Kitābu l-ʻibār (“Book of Evidence”), but only in passing, seldom giving much information.

      Some examples from the Muqaddimah (“Introduction”):

      This can be illustrated by what happened among the nations. When the royal authority of ‘Ad was wiped out, their brethren, the Thamud, took over. They were succeeded, in turn, by their brethren, the Amalekites.

  11. White or not, the Lebanese are one of the most successful minority groups in the world. They are pretty much the jews of Latin America and Africa. Ever hear of blood diamonds? That was when ‘downtrodden’ black masses took control of the Lebanese dominated diamond industry. Those black militias then used child labor to mine those diamonds.

    Carlos Slim – Lebanese. Not an ounce of mestizo blood.

  12. There is no such thing in the world as a “white Arab.” If a Lebanese person is “white,” then it’s because they are a Phoenician descendant, perhaps with European admixture from the Crusade period. Actually, they are very worthy people whom “the West” never bothered to help out when the Crusades ended.

      1. Phoenicians were white, that is not to be argued, just look at how the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians portrayed them…

        Also, stop trying to make up genetic history based on Islam, you are either a lunatic imagining this stuff, or simply making this up… Religious books are almost never 100% politically correct, also, if any of the stuff u have been saying is actually based on the quran, not just your dreams, this is just adding to islam’s bad image as a racist religion, which is actually true and found all throughout the hadiths and Quran… then again islam is very contradictory, it is racist in some ayas but humanitarian in others :/

        Phoenicians were white, many writings even portray them as having fire-heads (red heads?) among them and blue eyed people…

        Don’t just make up false history to please those Phoenician-wannabe Muslims in Lebanon, they must accept that they are only partly local to the region and are more Arab than Phoenician…

        1. The Lebanese Muslims and both Christians have the same degree of Arabic ancestry and this applies to all countries that were formerly conquered by the Arabs. The Phoenicians were not “white”, they were Caucausian but they were definitely not “White”, they resembled North Africans more then anything, which makes sense since that’s where they went around.

          1. again I find people referring to falsified studies claiming that Christians and muslims of arabized countries are of the same race and origin, fine, let me just disprove your argument in just one sentence:

            WHY DOLEBANESE MARONITES LOOK NOTHING LIKE THEIR MUSLIM (especially Sunni) COUNTERPARTS?

            That is a rhetorical question as I feel obliged to point out…

            You have not responded to why Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians have all represented them as whites… typical Arab argument, ignore what you cannot answer to…

            If they did in fact look like North Africans, why is it that when the Phoenicians settled in North Africa, in what is now Carthage, the Romans could clearly distinguish them from the Berbers and other native peoples of North Africa, the Romans described the approximate number and percentage of Punics (Phoenicians) and native Africans engaging in battle (in addition to the percentage of native Iberians mentioned), in their historical records? Those were records by eye-witness historians of the time, my question is, why was it so easy for these Romans to tell between the Phoenicians and North Africans?

            Seems they didn’t really look alike… :/

            Also, many Latinized Phoenicians lived within the Roman Capitals along the Mediterranean after Rome had conquered the Mediterranean…
            They fit in perfectly, coincidence?, I think not… let me just name some of the most known “romans” (Phoenicians) for example Papinian, and Ulpian, also, on a similar note, what about Appolidorus of Damascus, this all just shows that the people of the fertile crescent and Levant were in fact whiter before the Arabs, I mean, get a pure Arab, place him in modern day Rome, and I’ll bet you he would never fit in…

            Also, I must add that many Hellenized Phoenicians lived among the Greeks, and it was really extremely hard to tell who was Greek and who wasn’t since they were both white and looked alike concerning hair, skull form, eyes etc.
            Just to name a few Hellenized Phoenicians of the time; Homer, Pythagoras, Thales of Miletus, Euclid, Philo of Byblos…

            Also, check out the Roman bust of Hannibal, he looks pretty white, even upon closer observation…

            Also, if so, why is it that Phoenician mummies/skeletal remains, have a crural index and brachial index (which are both by the way prime indicators of race, and we’re used back before genetics was widespread) closer to that of the Greeks and Etruscans, than to the Egyptians and North Africans, assuming the Etrucans, Greeks, and Romans were indeed (and undoubtedly) white, that would mean that the Phoenucian race is closer to that of the Greeks and others of the like than to the North Africans, therefore inevitably “whiter”

        2. They did a DNA test on those former Arabized countries and they find there was no genetic distinction between the Christian or Muslim populations and this included the Syrians too. The Carthiagians were before the time of the Arabic conquests of North Africa and the Middle East. A person can have Caucasoid facial features and still not be “white”, Ethiopians have similar body measurements but they are not “white”. The Phoenicians and most modern day peoples in MENA are Caucasians that are not white.

          1. If those studies were conducted in Malta, yes, since the Muslim Fatimids actually converted the people to Islam but then some muslims went back to cgristianity and so you have this balance of Arab bloodline between the two, since I mean, some Maltese converted to Islam but giving Arabs European blood, but then their descendants went back to Christianity, giving the Maltese Arab blood… Syria is also a different case, since there was also a lot of mixing and conversion to Christianity by former Muslims and so on…

            But that is not the case for lebanon, you see, in lebanon, it is very easy to tell the difference between a Christian and a muslim (mostly the Sunnis), they cannot be of purely the same race…

            I do not understand how Carthage being founded prior to Arab invasion or Islam adds anything to the discussion, I mean there is no need to point it out…

            Also, I understand your point about having similar features concerning face but different skin color, but do not forget that the Egyptians portrayed Phoenicians as white, and themselves as tan sandy-white, that means there is a clear distinction concerning race, though I do agree that those two civilizations profited and learned from each other enormously…

            Also, do not forget that Ancient Nubians, (Ethipians) mixed with Egyptians and later on Arabs… so, it is only reasonable that they not look completely different to Caucasians… many are not very black either… so this point is not really valid, and you can still tell the difference between an Ethiopian face and Arab/Egyptian face disregarding the skin color…

            Hmm… the Ethipians have very different crural and brachial indices from Phoenician mummies…

            You seem to be comparing Phoenicians to modern day middle easterns, keep in mind that these modern people have been very mixed with Arabs… they will not be as white as their ancient pure ancestors…

            I have Christian Lebanese friends that look very white, and do not ascribe this to the Crusades, since his family has a very old family tree kept since they were maronite sheikhs at the time, (it dates back to about the time period from 1000-1400 AD, and he has linked it to another family tree they have that was mostly kept as a family record) rich I mean, and it does not include any Europeans in the family, he is just white because he does not have a lot (or perhaps any) of Arab blood…

        3. the original Mediterranean people are the Canaanite Dravidians
          they were in Mediterranean with the Indo Aryan Lydians who are the Minoans and Etruscans

  13. WHY DO PEOPLE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE WHITE MANS THINKING SORRY FOR SAYING THIS the phoenicians had interaction with the romans first i want to say the amorites were semitic and they mixed with another cananite people that were like aboriginal indians this mixed with the hittites who were mediteranean in features with black hair they were not white people also i have dreamt 2 times the lydians were in north africa and 1 time i dreamt they the lydians are the hittites the sumerians were the dark dravidians with straight hair and in prophets and patriarchs it says nimrod was son of cush son of canaan two different cushes and the phoenicans are another branch of the dravidians who mixed with people of shem

    1. talk back to me when you have solid evidence and stop having the attitude of an Islamic extremist, and the religious books are never 100% correct, also, your dreams are just what they are, dreams, as in not true, you are probably such a racist that u have those stupid dreams, you are not an imam, prophet or something of the sort whatever your religion would call it…
      I am through talking to religious extremists trying to invent history, when you come to me presenting solid evidence as I do, and not telling me some vague falsified story or referring to silly dreams or religious texts, then I will see you as worthy of discussion, if not, go check the dark ages, I hear the people there were ignorant enough to believe such crap, but this, this is the 21st century, live with it, people will no longer believe/tolerate such superstitious, religion based bullshit…

      1. http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/51187526-patras-greece-iraqs-farhan-razzaq-vies-for-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=lBpU1XtbH6GSyG%2BnU8yGDe6mR5BfShkuQdUDWIHJPBZMr%2BSDt39wL1EOU7BavxXh

        Dravidian languages display typological similarities with the Uralic language group, suggesting to some a prolonged period of contact in the past.[32] This idea is popular amongst Dravidian linguists and has been supported by a number of scholars, including Robert Caldwell,[33] Thomas Burrow,[34] Kamil Zvelebil,[35] and Mikhail Andronov.[36] This hyphothesis has, however, been rejected by some specialists in Uralic languages,[37] and has in recent times also been criticised by other Dravidian linguists such as Bhadriraju Krishnamurti.[38]

        Dravidian is one of the primary language families in the Nostratic proposal, which would link most languages in North Africa, Europe and Western Asia into a family with its origins in the Fertile Crescent sometime between the last Ice Age and the emergence of proto-Indo-European 4–6 thousand years BCE. However, the general consensus is that such deep connections are not, or not yet, demonstrable. McAlpin (1975) proposed linking Dravidian languages with the ancient Elamite language of what is now southwestern Iran. However, despite decades of research, this Elamo-Dravidian language family has not been demonstrated to the satisfaction of other historical linguists. (((this is true )))

        The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)
        (Extracts from ‘The Original Indians — An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)
        How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.
        South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€
        Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.

        The Mediterraneans or Dravidians were associated with the ancient Sumerian civilizations of Mesopotamia and of Elam (southern Iran). Authors have pointed out ethnic, linguistic and cultural affinities between the Sumerians (Mesopotamians) and the Dravidians of South India, and concluded that both probably belonged to the same ethnic stock. HR Hall writes: “The ethnic type of the Sumerians, so strongly marked in their statues and relofs was as different from those of the races which surrounded them as was their language from those of the Semites, Aryans and others; they were decidedly Indian in type. The face-type of the average Indian today is no doubt much the same as that of the Dravidian race ancestors thousands of years ago…And it is to this Dravidian ethnic type of India that the ancient Sumerian bears most resemblance, so far as we can judge from his monuments. He was very like a Southern Hindu of the Deccan (who still speaks Dravidian languages). And it is by no means improbable that the Sumerians were an Indian tribe which passed, certainly by land, perhaps also by sea, through Persia to the valley of the Two Rivers.â€

      2. “The Minoans are considered the first European civilization. They were in one sense the first “Greek” civilization. But the people were not Greek. They came from Asia Minor (Anatolia) around 2600 BCE while still in the neolithic age. They were of medium height with black curly hair and brown eyes.
        During the Bronze Age, starting around 1900 BCE, they developed into a sophisticated trade power in the Mediterranean ”

        http://world4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/minoan-costume-5.jpg

        the Dravidians are lank haired Canaanite people who are the original Mediterranean and Sumerian people they mixed with the Amorites(Imliq) and Akkadians , The Imliq and Akkadians also mixed with another Canaanite people same as pure Native Indians who have their own culture and language
        they are not from Central Asia because Central Asians do not move like Native Americans , Arabs do

        the people of Qays are from Imliq who are from Prophet Saleh PBH who mixed with Adnani and QaHTaani Arabs

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90iXcg65mp0 Arab tribal

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhcx5utC6Gg beginning of video and end of it you see arabs on drums way they move and the beat is like Native Indians , not Central Asians

  14. Science and any other real academic study will reveal that the Lebanese, Arabs, and many of the other groups cited here are not “races”, but are more so defined by their cultural congruency, language, common sociopolitics, geography, or nationality.

    And we know there is no such thing as a “white race” as the white nationalist would like to believe, but let’s not forget that a “white” nationalist type of mentality was obviously motivated the early Europeanist who were attempting to develop a useful racial construct, which of course put the “white” or Caucasian race at the top of the global racial stratum.

    To be exclusively “white” (pure-blood) is a social construct, which began to manifest itself amongst Europeans within Europe, and before other non-Europeans were being marginalized and dehumanized for either having questionable “white non-European” origins, or being of the “other races”, many Europeans themselves, in Europe proper, who are now accepted as “white” Europeans, at one time suffered a certain degree of pseudo-racial or ethnic discrimination themselves because of their so-called “questionable” genetic backgrounds or origins. There are white nationalist today, who wouldn’t have been given their white “racial pass” at one time in Europe or America.

    Right now, many in the world, if they are not deemed as being “actually” or truly full-fledged “white European Caucasoid”, they are at least being given the privilege of being ‘honorary whites’ or a ‘honorary Caucasoid’, which seems to suit them without much questioning, as there is to them a perceived advantage socially, and in some cases economically and geopolitically.

  15. To Lud bin Shem was born Tasm and Judays?who dwelt in al Yamaamah.Lud also begot ‘Imliq whose dwelling place was the holy area(al haram) and the outskirts of Makka. Some of his descendant’s reached Syria among these are the Amalekites from whom the Pharaohs of Egypt came. To Lud to was born Umaym who had many offspring some of these broke away to join Gomer bin Japheth in East.

    from prophets and patriarchs!

    The Muslim historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (c. 915) recounts a tradition that the wife of Lud was named Shakbah, daughter of Japheth, and that she bore him “Faris, Jurjan, and the races of Faris”. He further asserts that Lud was the progenitor of not only the Persians, but also the Amalekites and Canaanites, and all the peoples of the East, Oman, Hejaz, Syria, Egypt, and Bahrein. wikipedia!

    and i dreamt of saudia arabia and i saw the lights of Lud no date and on 23/11/11 i dreamt the amlaq were the giant people they are from Lud also i dreamt the lydian were in north africa 2 times and just last week of feb 2012 i dreamt the lydians are the hittites

    and in prophets and patriarchs it says this ‘Imliq is the father of the Amalekites from whom came the berbers,who are children of Thamila bin Maarib bin Faaraan bin ‘Amr bin ‘Imliq bin Lud bin Sam(Shem) bin Nuh (Noah)PBH

  16. whom are only blabling as stupid without facts..only wana curse and say wrongly things..enough..i m lebanese phoenician..we r open mind people..we have mixed with all the nations..we werent as the jew where they leave they live apart..look for example for the near yesterday when the lebaneses immigration to america latin..right now is hard to find lebanese 100% even though they immigarte by thousands men and women..but look for the jew they remain jew because simply 90% dont wana mix for many reasons..the arab are semetic people in origen are white ofcourse not as the german but white as the semetic should be..the arab mix a lot with the black especially in yemen and oman ..but the tribue of of the prophet PUOH was one of the most pure tribue in the world..and they r coming directly from abraham by ishmael and rarely they mix with other arab tribue..the prophet was white wasnt black or brunette..as the phoenician mixe and their genes change some how as same for the arab..the 1st arab wasnt berberian the lately one whom was berberian whom came mostly from najed not from hijaz as bani salim and bani helal and other..those arab who spread 400 years after the islam were like the mongol when the conquest the ancient word..those whom giving bad fame about the arab those whom eben khaldoun him self even though he is arab attack them and curse them,,the 1st arab spread the peace and safe..were loving for the science and the education they were the cause where right now thx for them we got mostly of the greece civilization..enough speaking as stupid and saying these arab berber whom living in tents and ext…arab hijaz were living in cities yes indeed primitves one but city stay city..tostudy the history u should put away and apart ur feelings..to involve ur feelings..it means u r amateur and kid and would never be a man..because the man say the true even on him self..u should read a lil bit about the gustavo lobon and learn how to be positif neutral and usefull people

    1. yes i have seen the Prophet 10times bud so dont talk nonsense with me he looks same as Nabi Ibraheem PBT oval shaped face, a beautiful curve to the nose bridge which did not make the nose look huge,big hooked or jagged, v hairline, upside dwn v eyebrows and black hair which was wavy and his color was wheat in complexion

      1. Most of the population of the Ancient Greece had black hair
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        Ancient Greece imposed its hairstyle to the entire world known at that time.

        It was the extraordinary Greek civilization which, with its natural and simple hairstyles moving in harmonious waves, marked the hairstyle of the Ancient world. All the neighbor countries and the others conquered by them, will adopt, in one or another moment, its particular style, which later will be inherited by the Roman Empire. The Ancient Greece was the base and the fundamental pillar of al the Occidental culture. Its costumes, architecture, philosophy, and mythological traditions were inherited by the posterior centuries and were present in the Renaissance and in the 18th and 19th centuries.

        The most ancient Greek civilization was the Minoic civilization of the Island of Crete, which existed from the year 7.000 BC until the year 1600 BC. In this year they were invaded by the Indo-Europeans from the North West, who founded the Micenic civilization. Through the testimonies of vases and mural paintings we know that the people of these periods were of white skin, with black hair in the Minoic civilization and blond hair in the Micenic civilization. Micenics were called “Achaeans” by Homer in The Iliad(((. Men used natural hair, wavy and beards. The Trojans, who inhabited what today is Anatolia en Turkey, had black hair, and their women’s hairstyles were carefully elaborated))))). Married women used long hair with long braids, as a sign of their marital status. In this mural painting, “The Blue Ladies”, from 1.600 BC are notorious these hairstyles.

        This hairstyle with long hair and braids is also found in all the representations of goddesses, like Athena, Artemisia, Aphrodite o Cassandra.

        There are no representations of blonde goddesses; however, several male gods have been represented or mentioned with “golden hair”, which is a clue to assume that blond hair was the desired hair color for the Greeks.

        The cut and style was also a sign of social status: slaves used shorn heads, and people of higher classes elaborated hair dressings, perfumed with olive oil and scented with fragrances; though, in general, the Greeks’ hairstyles were pretty natural.

        Near the 5th century BC, in the Classic Greece period, women already used quite different hairstyles than those of their ancestors of the Minoic civilization. Their hair was long, shoulder-length or over the back, and usually held by a diadem or a band. In this period, women stop to use braids as a symbol of marital status. The bands which adorned their heads were called “estefanias” and some of them were made of gold.

        The next splendorous period in Ancient Greece was the Hellenistic Age, which begins at the death of Alexander the Great, in 323 BC. Since that moment may be observed in well conserved images hair artificially waved or curled. In this epoch were used a lot of types of hairstyles, including chignons, braids, bangs, hair tied with tiaras or diadems, and other styles, like the “melon hairstyle”, (image at the left) which consisted in to pull the hair backward with a chignon at the back of the head, or a very particular style found in an Aphrodite’s sculpture donated in 1912 to the Boston Museum by Francis Bartlett, dating from the year 330 BC which shows the hair tied with two knots in the top of the head. This sculpture was named “The Bartlett Head”, and reveals a hairstyle in fashion at the beginning of the Hellenistic period. Men’s style was also of wavy hair and beards, which were meticulously cut, curled and combed. To that task were barbers dedicated to. The art of cut and grooming beards became an important profession in the Ancient Greece. It was there where the first barbershops were born; they became real meeting points, like clubs, for men in general, where they met and had long conversations about philosophical, political or communal themes. Those barbershops were for them as important as the Agora, their public place of assembly.

        Sophocles Ancient Greek bust Alexander the Great Pericles

        Greeks used to perfume their heads with aromatic scents made from flowers, spices and olive oil. They believed that the scents had been delivered to the world by the gods, and they applied fragrances to their body and their hair. They used to boil a mix of flowers and herbs, like myrrh or frankincense, preparing a recipe with olive oil.((((((((((( To soften the hair, they applied brushing and massages. Also they made the hair brighter with the use of lotions, ointments and beeswax. Most of the population of the Ancient Greece had black hair, and for that reason they used yellow dyes, -which was, undoubtedly, their favorite color-, using a mix of saffron flowers and potassium water (a mix of potassium bicarbonate and carbonic acid water).

        http://thehistoryofthehairsworld.com/old_age_2.html

  17. The more our knowledge of Hittite civilisation and history has grown, the more clear-cut the Lydian connection has become. The Boghaz-koi documents for example showed that a number of Hittite kings had borne the name Mursilis; identical to the name (Myrsilos) given by Herodotus to one of the greatest kings of Lydia. The language of the Hittite Empire, known as “Hittite” to us, but actually called “Neshili” in the Boghaz-koi texts, was found to be Indo-European. Further research into the linguistic make-up of ancient Asia Minor found that Lydian too was an Indo-European dialect – a dialect identical to “Hittite”. In the words of one scholar, “Linguistically Lydian is related to the Hittite-Luwian group, but the curious thing is that unlike most of its contemporaries it seems to be Hittite rather than Luwian.” (J. G. Macqueen, The Hittites (London, 1975) p. 59) In other words the Lydian language is one and the same as that of the Hittites in their Cappadocian heartland – Nesha/Neshili – rather than Luwian, a related tongue employed by many other peoples of Asia Minor and Anatolia, such as the Phrygians and Lycians

    2times i have dreamt the lydians were in nrth africa and 1 time they are the hittites

  18. i am Lebanese and i can tell u that yes we do have light skinned Lebanese people and i can tell u the reason why as well.
    during the time of the crusades there was more then just European countrys fighting against the Muslims (something left out of most western history books) the Lebanese Maronite helped fight as well seeing as much war was being done from and inside of Lebanon. the Lebanese while the Europeans were there mixed a lot with the Europeans hence how we got light skinned people red heads and blue eyes. i my self am not to dark but i would never call my self white as our features body shapes and skin color even though it ma at time be light are not the same and Lebanese as a race in whole are not white

    1. I believe your statement proves that the white Europeans traditional definitions of what is “white” is not always accepted by most people who are themselves placed into that category by using an old and outdated method of racial classification, which makes some people “white” out of convenience to create a possible useful alliances and increase the presence of “whites” throughout the world, making whites seem less of an anomaly or minority amongst the darker races. This alliances is used when needed, as either a buffer or to create a proxy loyal to the preservation of a perceived “white minority” that’s isolated mostly in Europe. So many groups have temporary “honorary white” status that can be revoked at anytime.

      Though it is obvious that you are clear concerning who you are, many Lebanese people when in the US, hide their heritage in order to find acceptance and even fame, and their “honorary white” status is secure as long as they don’t express any other dissenting perspectives.

  19. i believe southern europeans are considered non-white (mediterraneans) .. they have a different culture, different look, the mediterraneans to me are considered NOT white.

      1. If we’re going to use the archaic ‘three branches of races formula’, I guess Mediterraneans would cling to their “honorary whites” status.

        But I found it interesting that Tony Bennett, world-renowned jazz vocalist and civil rights activist, when being interviewed by the late Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show, was for some reason verbally defined as being “white” by the host within the context of a particular conversation, and Tony Bennett’s quick rebuttal was that, “he was not white”, and then Johnny Carson, somewhat puzzled asked, “well what are you then”, Tony responded, “I’m Sicilian.”

        It is a known yet rarely talked about historical fact that dark-skinned Southern Europeans did not always readily receive the type of inclusion reserved for most “whites” in the white-only Anglo-Saxon world as they do today, though they were not treated as bad as most others who are definitely deemed as being non-white by those who assume these draconian standards and practices prescribed to in most cases.

        Yes, by all standards in today’s western world, as opposed to other so-called races, most Mediterraneans are defined within the social construct of being “white”, but in speaking with some Greeks and Spaniards, it is not as cut and dry as we would like to conveniently believe.

      2. the Minoans were not Europeans they are the Indo Aryan Lydians they are first Greek civilization but were not Greeks
        the Etruscans and Minoans are Indo Aryan Lydians

    1. yes u are right why do u think many of them have black hair the hittites were indo aryan mixed with ancient arabians the adites(IMLIQ) some southern europeans look very white like caucasian and others dont look the same they look middle eastern

  20. I am Arab from Arabian peninsula and I won’t be white, but through the DNA I am totally Caucasian, even If an Arab person look white he/she ain’t consider his self as white. We Arab have all colors and races so we ain’t mind about race but most Arab are Caucasian via the DNA. Also the study said Arab contain the best features at all because they comes in several colors and shape.

    Thanks.

    Best regards.

  21. Even the amazing thing about Arab that they come in many colors and they live together with ain’t mind about colors, the best example you can notice at one family people come in several shapes and colors, even between to brothers. I think Arab get these features, because long time ago they ruled the earth, so they mixed with all people which resulted today the Arab with best features. Also we can’t neglect that Arab live almost between two Continents Asia and Africa.

  22. Thamud achieved power and glory after the destruction of ‘Ad and as far as progress in civilization is concerned, they followed in the footsteps of their predecessors. The standards of living went on rising higher and the standards of humanity continued to fall lower, suffering one deterioration after the other. The people of Thamud used to carve out grand houses in the hills. These people also built castles in the plains to display wealth, power, and architectural skill. On the one hand, they erected the large edifices on the plains and hewed beautiful houses out of the hills in the caves of ((((((Ellora and Ajanta in India,))))))))) and on the other hand, they became addicted to idol-worship and the land was filled with tyranny and oppression.

  23. Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India was found to be largely confined to the castes[20] with no occurrence in the tribals, but a new study has found it at higher percentages (10%) among the Tharu indigenous people of Terai, Nepal.[31] In India, the J2 haplogroup is almost absent from tribals. Haplogroup J2b is associated with the Neolithic Greeks that spread agriculture. It has been found in the Dravidian middle classes in high frequencies also in the Northwest of India.The frequency of J2 is higher in South Indian castes (19%) than in North Indian castes (11%) or Pakistan (12%).[20] Haplogroup J was found to be even more common in India’s Shia Muslim community, of which 28.7% belong to haplogroup J, with 13.7% in J2a-M410, 10.6% in J1 and 4.4% in J2b.[32] The high variance of J2b2 in South Asia indicates a probable pre-Neolithic migration.(wikipedia)

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    J2

    Main article: Haplogroup J2 (Y-DNA)

    Haplogroup J2 It is composed of several sub-Haplogroups representing several different countries like Turkey, Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Aegean, Balkan, Italy. One sub Haplogroup M172* is mainly found in the Northern Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean, Iran, Central Asia, and Southern Europe. Is is though to have originated in Anatolia (Turkey and Kurdstan) ie North Mesopotamia, and spread to Europe and to other Middle countries like Lebanon Palestine Iraq, Syria. J2 subclades is found also in Armenia, Azerbaijan), Iran, Central Asia, and South Asia: for example, Muslim Kurds (28.4%), Central Turks (27.9%), Georgians (26.7%), Iraqis (25.2%), Lebanese (25%), Ashkenazi Jews (23.2%), Sephardi Jews (28.6%), Iranians (23.3%), Tajiks (18.4%), and Pakistanis (14.7%). J2 is not regularly found in Semitic-speaking populations of Africa, such as the Amhara and Tigrinya in Ethiopia (Semino et al. 2004). However, J2 has been found to encompass several subhaplogroups (22 subhaplogroups, including 5 that have high frequencies) that originated or expanded in different regions: Italy, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia (Turkey and Kurds), the Caucasus (Georgia), and Somalia (see ref: Semino et al. 2004). Haplogroup J2 was used to be considered a genetic marker of Anatolian Neolithic agriculturalists. It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20.6%, Albanians 19.6%) and in southern Italy (16.7-29.1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6.2%, Hungarians 2.0%, Ukrainians 7.3%) and in Southeastern Iranian-speaking areas (Pashtuns 5.2%, Pamiris 6.1%). A significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) was detected in western and south-western India (the highest being 21% among Dravidian middle castes, followed by upper castes, 18.6%, and lower castes 14%; Sengupta et al. 2006).http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_J_%28Y-DNA%29

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    Origins

    Haplogroup J2 is widely believed to be associated with the spread of agriculture from Mesopotamia.[1][9]

    “The main spread of J2 into the Mediterranean area is thought to have coincided with the expansion of agricultural people’s during the Neolithic period.”[2] The age of J2 has been estimated as 18,500 +/- 3,500 years ago.[1] Its distribution, centered in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe, its association with the presence of Neolithic archaeological artifacts, such as figurines and painted pottery,[21] and its association with annual precipitation have been interpreted as evidence that J2, and in particular its J2a-M410 subclade belonged to the agricultural innovators who followed the rainfall.[22] However, Di Giacomo stressed the role of post-Neolithic migratory phenomenon, specifically that of the Ancient Greeks, as also being important in the dispersal of Hg J2.[7] Haplogroup J2b on the other hand is associated with the Neolithic Greeks that spread agriculture. It has been found in the Dravidian middle classes in high frequencies also in the Northwest of India.http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_J2_%28Y-DNA%29

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    The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)

    (Extracts from ‘The Original Indians — An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)

    How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.

    South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€

    Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.

  24. “The descendant`s of Shem settled al Majdal the navel of the earth,which is stuated between Satidama and the sea between the Yemen and syria,God bequethed them prophecy scripture and beauty and gave them complexions that were brown and white from Prophet’s and Patriarchs”

  25. indias connection to arabia (wikipedia)

    Trade and cultural links between ancient India and Arabia date back to third millennium BC.[1]((((By 1000 AD, the trade relations between southern India and Arabia flourished and became the backbone of the Arabian economy)))))))))).[2] Arab traders held a monopoly over the spice trade between India and Europe until the rise of European imperialist empires.[3] India was one of the first nations to establish ties with the Third Saudi State. During the 1930s, India heavily funded Nejd through financial subsidies.[

  26. The Prophet Hud (pbuh) – To The People of ‘Ad

    Hud was the Prophet sent to the Bani ‘Ad for their reformation. His lineage genealogy joins with the Prophet Nuh (peace be upon him) and his sons. Nuh had 3 sons who were saved from the flood– Sam, Ham, and Yafith. The children of Sam were scattered in the Arabian Peninsula. Sam had a son named Iram. And one of Iram’s sons was ‘Ad. So they named the town after his son–the city was named ‘Ad. The town of ‘Ad was very dusty and located near Ahqaf, near Hadramout in Yemen.

    Who were these people of ‘Ad? They were the people that God sent to them the Prophet Hud. They lived near Hadramout, which is now in Yemen. There they built palaces, erected temples and worshipped deities and stars.

    “Seest thou not how Thy Lord dealt with the ‘Ad (people), of the (city of) Iram, with lofty pillars, the like of which were not produced in (all) the land?” (Qur’an 89:6-8)

    The names of their chief deities were Saqi’ah, Salimah, Raziqah and Hafizun. This worshipping of statues came after a time when the people of ‘Ad once believed in the one God.

    “(Remember also) the ‘Ad and the Thamud (people): clearly will appear to you from (the traces) of their buildings (their fate) Satan made their deeds alluring to them, and kept them back from the Path, though they were Keen-sighted.” (Qur’an 29:38)

    The people of ‘Ad were tall in stature and were skillful masons. God had given them abundance of wealth, cattle, children and gardens. They had attained a considerable degree of civilization. Among them flourished the famous king Shaddad. He built a magnificent palace near ‘Aden. It was known as the Garden of Iram. He was a mighty king and his conquests extended to Syria, Iraq and the frontier of Sub- continent of Indo-Pakistan. These people were proud of their achievements and considered themselves to be invincible. They were indulged in sins and committed acts of injustice and violence. Instead of expressing a deep sense of gratitude to the Almighty God for the favors He had bestowed upon them, they became transgressors and showed disobedience to Him.

  27. We born Arab and we will die Arab, I hope in US they’ll make Arab in separate race, because Arab belong to Arab not to any race or color.

    1. They are thinking about in the next census frame, allowing “Middle Easterners” to right in their nation of ancestral origin. Not an actual category, and it would be for Arab, Israeli, Turk, Kurd, Iranian, Afghan, etc,.

  28. Lebanese, Syrians, half of Turkey and Jordanians are Arab types with a lighter skin. This light skin is down to mixing with Nordic Europeans. The skull craniums exhibit a mixture of African and European. Lebanese look similar to South Americans, Anglo Goa peoples and Anglo Chinese. Even Blacks mixed with Whites look similar. They all look albino.

    Most Arabs you see in the west have a European Mother or European Father. They do this as they perceive the West as superior.

    The Phoenicians are Semites as their language is not European. And Finns,Turks and Hungarians are also mixed. Their languages are Asiatic.Your language indicates your race origin.

    Plus Iranians, Pakistanis and North Indians are lost Europeans. They have mixed with Arabs and Mongols. But they still retain a European language. But hardly any consider themselves Europeans.

    1. ”Lebanese, Syrians, half of Turkey and Jordanians are Arab types with a lighter skin. ”

      No, they’re generally East Mediterraneans except Jordanians who really are Arabid.

      ”This light skin is down to mixing with Nordic Europeans.”

      Lol, you’ve gotta be kidding.

      ”The skull craniums exhibit a mixture of African and European.”

      No, their skulls are Mediterranean Caucasoid.

    1. In a hadith reported in Sahih Muslim, Muhammad mentions that ‘Isa (Jesus) resembles Urwah ibn Mas’ud.[2] closest in appearance. He was very white with reddish cheeks,tall with dark black hair and eyes.wikipedia and I dreamt of Nabi Isa as how I saw him tall not too tall black hair combed and looked wet , he had slim but nicely shaped chest and his color was very fair with lots of nur coming from his face absolutely not african in appearance.
      The companion who most resembles ‘Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt his mention, is’Urwah Ibn Mas’ood . The evidence is the narration reported by Imaams Muslimand At-Tirmithi that Jaabir narrated that the Prophet said: “I was shown the Prophets in front of me, and Moosaa resembles the men of the tribe of Shanu’ah, and I saw ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), may Allaah exalt their mention, and the person who resembles him most is ‘Urwah Ibn Mas’ood, and I saw Ibraaheem and the person who resembles him most is your companion- referring to himself and I saw Jibreel (the angel Gabriel), and the person who resembles him most is Dihyah.”Urwa bin Masud is from Banu Thaqif

  29. curious.. question for all of you – would you consider brazilians with a darker complexion. black or just brazilian? anderson silva for example alot of people mistake him for being black

  30. these girls are fair, but not white at all. theyre tan. you have bad eyes or what? not one is blue eyes or natural blonde nor freckles. they are not white, but definetly fair and hot.

  31. Sickle cell disease (SCD) affects millions of people throughout the world and is particularly common among those whose ancestors came from sub-Saharan Africa; Spanish-speaking regions in the Western Hemisphere (South America, the Caribbean, and Central America); Saudi Arabia; India; and Mediterranean countries such as Turkey, Greece, and Italy.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html

    There are clues, all over the place

  32. Lebanese people are very offended when called Arabs. I mean they get pisses off and all defensive It’s funny to watch but I guess id be as offended

    1. I wouldnt get offended. I call them arabs any time i get the opportunity in my school. You are right lol! they do get pissy and talk about being olive skinned or whatever hahaha! i say they speak arabic and neighbor Syria and thats it, they get more pissy! hahaha!!

  33. Question Mister Lindsay, are you a white nationalist: just meaning that you support whites (europeans for simplicity) to have their own homelands, self determination, and to continue as a separate people with their culture.
    Nothing beyond that unless you find it prudent yourself.

    And I agree on the nordicists. I understand liking the nordic aesthetic as “as white as can be” but by saying only nords are white they are legitimizing the cultural marxist nonsense that there is no “white trace” by fomenting division.

    1. White nationalists are right about a lot of the things they say. Nevertheless, a lot of bad people are often correct much of the time.

      Of all of the White racists, those are the mostly wildly racist Whites of them all. I really despise White nationalists in general, although I am on friendly terms with some of them.

      Furthermore, the White Homeland thing is nuttiness. It will literally never happen, ever.

      Why don’t you guys poll this issue? How much support do you have for your White state?

      To tell the truth, I might even go live in their White state if they made one except that my neighbors would be guys like David Duke and Alex Linder would be my neighbors. Screw that!

      1. White flight.
        But you are right, the upper class jews and whites will make mestizos and africans fight china along with whites. Just look at the american army, its 30% non-white and like 75% of nato, meaning that they are already 23% of nato.

  34. Robert is such a tricky Jew. If the Lebanese weren’t White, how come Steve Jobs had an IQ above room temperature? Doesn’t make sense to me otherwise.

    1. ‘Spanish and Balkans aren’t White according to Nordicists’

      HA! So John Case-Ich and Ted Croos aren’t White. Baloney! If they weren’t White, they wouldn’t be smart enough to even make a dent in Trump, they’d be smoked just like Ben Carson and Marco Robio!!!!!

      1. Robert-
        In Europe is it the Syrian refugees causing problems? Apparently there have recently been North Nigerian refugees from Boko Haram, Central African Republic civil war refugees, and of course people from the Sudan.

        Are the Syrians being unfairly blamed?

  35. “At Abu-Simbel the skin of the Canaanite-Amorite is painted yellow by which the Egyptian intended to represent a white people; their eyes are blue, and the beard and eyebrows red. At Medinet Habu the skin is painted rather pinker than flesh color accordingto Petrie and in a tomb of the Eighteenth Dynasty at Thebes, it is white; the eyes and hair being red-brown. At Karnak the skin of teh figures are alternately red and yellow.”

    A.T. Clay, “The Empire of the Amorites

    Everywhere they were represented in art there is one characteristic that stands out for the early settlers of Mesopotamia; blue eyes.

    A secondary characteristic is red hair.

    1. incorrect Amorites are the Imliq they are a semitic people who mixed with Canaanite Dravidians and Canaanites that are same as pure Native Americans . A lot of people making too many things up

  36. The mark of a real “white” person is one who’s so secure in his knowledge that he’s white that he doesn’t waste an iota of his energy debating what whiteness means.

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