New Movie on the Fake Holodomor

Some idiot Hollywood filmmakers, some of them Ukrainians, are behind Holodomor: The Movie, a new documentary about the fake Holodomor of 1932-33, the fake deliberate famine that never even happened.

Looking over the story line, there are problems already.

Worst genocide in the history of mankind. Not true. First of all, it wasn’t a genocide. Second, the figures are wrong.

7-10 million died, presumably all Ukrainians. Not true. There were probably about 5.4 million deaths, most actually due to disease and not starvation. People weakened by lack of food fell prey to disease epidemics, particularly cholera. Sanitation was still rudimentary in the USSR at this time, and the antibiotic era only began after WW2. Before the antibiotic era, those afflicted with epidemic diseases often just died.

The movie implies that only Ukrainians died. This is not true. There was a famine over the entire land. People died in Moscow and Siberia.

The movie implies that Ukrainians as a people were deliberately targeted for genocide. Not true. As noted, starvation occurred throughout the land. In particular, the Russian regions near the Ukraine had death rates as high as the Ukrainians. If the Ukrainians were specifically targeted for genocide, why was the death rate just as high among the Slavs of the Lower Volga?

The movie tells the usual lie – there was a bumper harvest in 1932-1933, but the USSR confiscated the crops in order to kill off the Ukrainians, many of whom were protesting collectivization. It’s not true. The famine occurred because there was a famine harvest. The harvest simply collapsed in those years. Some of it was due to weather, but mostly an epidemic of wheat rust spread throughout the land. The Ukrainians also were destroying many of their own crops, setting them on fire, or harvesting them and then leaving them in piles to rot in the rain.

Anti-government guerrillas were rampaging through the Ukraine, attacking collective farms, killing collective farmers, raping women. In early 1932, there were multiple armed attacks occurring every day. For several years prior, the Ukrainians had been killing their own farm animals. They had destroyed about 50% of the livestock in the USSR. This contributed to the famine since many of these animals were used for food, but also, the horses were used to plow the fields.

The government did not “confiscate the bountiful harvest.” It was a real problem with the Ukrainians destroying the food and farm animals, so it’s true that the state sent soldiers and agents down there to seize grain before it could be destroyed. The grain unfortunately was needed to feed the cities, in particular the army. Ukrainians died disproportionately because this was where the crop failure due to wheat rust was the worst.

It’s not true that the Ukrainians were locked in a prison to starve. It was a very difficult time. The crop had failed, with a famine harvest. People were desperately trying to flee the Ukraine to go to other parts of the USSR. In fact, people were on the move all of the USSR, mostly looking for food. It was a great big mess, because workers need to stay in one place for any work to get done.

If the Ukrainians all left the Ukraine, there would be another famine harvest the next year since there would be no workers in the fields to grow crops. So, yes, they did try to prevent people from moving around, but people kept moving around anyway.

Fortunately, the next year was a bumper crop.

There were no 7-10 million deliberate killings (genocide) in the Ukraine in 1932-33. It’s true that there were 390,000 state killings associated with dekulakization in the Ukraine in 1932-33. If the Ukrainians wish to play that up, they can be my guest. But they seem to have an intellectual hard-on for that juicy 10 million dead number.

How did the “7-10 million” figure pop up?

The figure kept going up, because the Ukrainians kept raising it. After WW2, it was decided that the Nazis had killed 6 million Jews. The Ukrainians were upset about this because it made their Holodomor seem lesser.

Plus, the Ukrainian nationalists who play up the Holodomor were deeply involved in Nazism and mass Jew-killing genocide in the Ukraine after the Germans invaded. The Ukrainian nationalists had Jewish blood of the Holocaust all over their hands, and now the Holocaust was beating their precious Holodomor in the numbers racket too. Something had to be done.

The 7 million figure was tossed out. Why? To outdo the 6 million of the Jewish Holocaust and beat the Jews at the numbers game. Also, to play up the “Stalin was worse than Hitler” card, since the Ukrainians were so deeply in bed with the Nazis, this was meant to minimize Nazism as a lesser evil.

To this day, Ukrainian nationalist groups are some of the nastiest anti-Semites out there, more or less unrepentant Nazis. The fake Holodomor thing is part and parcel of their Nazi anti-Semitic project, since supposedly a bunch of Soviet Jews are the ones who “genocided the Ukrainians.”

Over time, they kept adding onto this, and now we have this inflated 7-10 million figure.

One would think that the Ukrainian nationalists could come up with at least one document showing proof of this Holodomor of theirs. The Soviet archives have been opened, including the secret archives of the KGB. It’s all out there for anyone to look at.

With the Nazis, researchers have been able to go over their documentation scrupulously and find documents showing that the Nazi leadership was behind the Holocaust, as much as they tried to cover it up with euphemisms. That the Ukrainians can’t come up with one piece of paper to prove their case is telling.

What’s strange is that the collectivization project is probably what saved the world from Nazism. The USSR of the 1930’s was involved in breakneck industrialization, since Stalin knew that the Nazis and or the West were going to attack them. They had industrialize quickly or be destroyed. The buildup of the USSR during that period was one of the greatest and most extensive national developmental projects in history.

Collectivization was needed to feed the workers in the cities and to free up workers from the fields. Previously, Russian farmers farmed small, unproductive farms that barely grew enough food for one family. This wasn’t going to feed an industrial society, so collectivization was done. The result of this world-shattering developmental project was that the USSR was able to defeat the Nazis. 89% of Germans killed in the war were killed by the USSR. For all intents and purposes, the USSR won the war for us and saved the world from Hitler.

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139 thoughts on “New Movie on the Fake Holodomor”

  1. I like the fact that you ban everyone who questions the party line and calls them nazis. You go so far as to say that denying, questioning or even trying to revision the holocaust is nazism.
    I’m not denying the prison camps or the forced expulsion of the Jews, I’m just not convinced that six million dies (more like a a few hundred thousand) and they just died because of disease and famine. Even if it were true, I would still be disgusted with the way it is used to make money. Only the Jew could make the supposed genocide of his people into a business.

  2. Alas usefull idiots and fellowtravellers inhabit this site. If you take R.J. Rummel numbers on democide, massmurder by governments (policies). For the top four you get the followingnumbers
    PRC(China) approx 76 million
    USSR approx 61 million
    Germany, approx 22 million
    KMT (China) approx 10 million
    The following 8 countries between 1 and 5 million
    Japan, North Korea, Cambodja, Vietnam, Turkey, Poland, Pakistan and Yugoslavia.
    Striking is that 5 of them are socialist or communist.

    1. Those numbers are no good. Rummel is a fanatical Libertarian ideologue out to prove that the “the bigger the state, the more it murders people.” PS, we don’t allow rightwingers on this site – this is a socialist website.

      There are no “socialist” governments on that site. There are a number of Communist governments though.

      I am banning you. Rightwing propagandists are not allowed here.

  3. You do realize that Left-Libertarians and Anarchists are Left-Wing, but are still opposed to your bullshit? You do realize that your Stalinist tendencies to silence any criticism, regardless of its content, just proves even more that your brand of politics is delusional? Enjoy your echo chamber. I’m sure that you will enjoy your little circle-jerk, you pinko commie.

      1. Robert,

        I noticed you never responded to my documentation of genocide in Ukraine and its connection to the Holocaust.

        Will you respond to my earlier post?
        ……………………………………………………………………………………….
        Are we to believe that only one person has managed to plumb unheard depths of genocide denial all by himself?

        How is that argument working for you?

        “Not 10 million” – you are probably right since Duranty and the Italian Consulate in Ukraine estimated it as closer to 14 million.

        http://genocidecurriculum.org/curriculum-resources/general-archive/united-states-congressional-commission-on-the-ukrainian-famine/1report-to-congress/cover-page-3/

        “Not Genocide” – hmm, that is a tough row to hoe given that the fellow that coined the term “genocide” said that the Holodomor was a “classic case” of genocide (and yes, he was Jewish).

        http://www.holodomoreducation.org/news.php/news/4

        “Not only Ukrainians” – Right you are again. The Russians in fact did commit genocide against other groups like the Amish and Mennonites who fought with the Ukrainians against the Bolshevic monsters.

        http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/order/nd_sd/vossler2.html

        BTW, there were a disproportionate number of Jews in the ranks of the genocide troops…

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

        …and as the Holodomor raged to its height in the winter of 1932-1933, Hitler took advantage of the hysteria to gain the plurality needed to seize power.

        His Bolshevic Famine posters were the most effective.

        http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/brot.jpg

  4. Genocide Figures & Holodomor.
    Reading through comments here, seems are many who are somewhat confused as to what and what is not real. R. J. Rummel spent 15 years plowing through over 8,000 reports from over a 1,000 different sources to discern as accurate as possible “numbers of victims” in relation to these kinds of things. He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace prize for his work. Books (as dark as this subject is) people need to locate are available on Amazon.com (with reviewer comments) and are as follows:

    Lethal Politics
    Death by Government
    Statistics of Democide.

    Black Book of Communism also contains reasonably well researched figures also.

    As several commentaries stated, we cannot forget or minimize these kinds of horrors, to do so, would be in desecration of those who suffered/died, those who survived and their families.

  5. ROBERT YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK AND MEDICATION,,NOT THE KIND THE SECRET POLICE AND GPUNKVD USED,,WHILE EXECUTING THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIANS AND KULAKS IN SOVIET RUSSIA ,,AND NUMBING THEIR SENSES ON A KILL PARTY LIKE THE VIET NAM COMMIES DID KAMAR ROUGE DID ON ITS SOUTH VIENAM AND USA SOLDIERS WHILE THINKING MUDER IS OK,,DOING COCAINE IS A DESENSITIZER,,,,DRUG ADDICTS WHO KILL TODAY FIND IT EASIER TO KILL WHILE HIGH AND BUZZED OUT AND BRAINWASHED THEY WILL BE ON TGOP OF THE WORLD ON IT AND THE DICTATORS USED THEM LIKE GAN LEADERS DO NOW. EVEN POLICE AND BERKUT FORCES TODAY IN UKRAINE MIGHT BE DOING IT THEY SUSPECT!

    ROBERT YOUR A GOOF,,ID LIKE TO KICK YOU ASS,,,THE HOLODOMOR IS REAL I LIVE HERE 9 YEEARS AND HEARD IN EVERY TOWN AND CITY,,THE HORRIBLE STORIES OF THE STALIN FAMINE THAT STARVED MILLIONS TO DEATH…HEH ROBERT NEXT TIME YOUR EATING YOUR FKN HITDOG,,THINK OF TE STARVING WHO DIED IN UKRAINE ,,,YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ASS LICKED IN HELL ANYWAY!!! OR HEAVEN BY MISTAKE GOING THERE ,,THEY WILL SLAP YOUR CHOPS UP EVERY DAY,LIKE YOU SLAP THEIRS WHEN THEIR DEAD….SHAMEFUL ,,YOU COMMIE LOVER ,,,STALIN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS A SWEET BOY HE COULD USE IN THOSE DAYS LIKE DURANTY,,THE USA JOURNALIST IN MOSCOW ,, A BAGMAN COMMIE WHO WON A PULITZER PRIZE FOR LIES LIKE YOU PUBLISH HERE ,,,GET A REAL JOB AND STOP THE COMMIE PATRIOTIC HOBBIE NOSTALGIA ,,, LENIN LOVER!!! STICK IT ROBBIE BOY..YOU KNOW WHERE ,,BANDU HET,,IN UKRAINIAN THAT MEANS SHAME !!!

  6. wow you are truly not worth a reply to this jew propaganda of yours, but i will..
    you are such a little little man, every time you can’t win a discussion you play a godwin(yeah look it up you little illiterate kosher swine) and call your opponent a nazi. typical..

    waiting for your banned, as that is the most intelligent remark you wrote on this page. you are not worth pixels on this page.

    why don’t you just kill yourself!?!

    come on kill yourself!

    kill yourself!

    do it!

  7. Wow.
    I’ve been around a long time, but never realized what slime and troglodytes still survived under the rocks turned over in comments on this page! Now I feel like an ingenue, amazed at the depths of ignorance people will proudly share with the world.

    The transitory nature of history is only in the remarkable ability for humanity to reinvent it to suit its temporal passions. Usually, I find we tend to start with our favored hate in mind, then bend, forget and distort facts to resemble the thing we want to be true. The reason this works so well is that unlike in mathematics, we don’t have calculators to give us the correct answers which are the same every time, and so feel at liberty to “interpret” because someone once told us our own uninformed opinion was as valid as any other’s.

    It’s not, people. Some of you are real idiots who need to keep quiet until you’ve learned a thing or two. We’ve expanded this sense of liberty to addressing the real world as if we could create its truths to suit our own bigotries. In that way, it reminds me of the study of the “science” of economics.

    Some Background:

    A long time ago, a peasant took his wife from Ukraine to America where he worked in a steel mill in Pennsylvania. The woman gave birth to a son, and realizing that she really hated the stench, black air and prejudice of America, took her baby back to a farm in the old country. Dad soon followed, because he missed the woman but arrived with “money” he used to buy farm land. They were happy until Germany came, then the Brits, and Americans. The invaders, collectively, didn’t care it was planting season, and killed everyone on the farm except baby, the mother, and a brother. I’m sure it was an accident, because Americans are good. Brits are decent. Germans are great engineers. Their bombs and bullets just didn’t care one way or another.

    So, baby grew up, and realizing he was an American living in a foreign land, went back home to warm, smoggy Pennsylvania to make a family of his own. I mention this vignette because he was my grandpa. The unfortunates left behind were born in Ukraine, farmers who would have been the “victims” of the the Holodomor.

    To all the later “insightful” opinions from Arabs, Anti-semites, and Nazis who comfortably tender their mindless blather from the comfortable confines of a Mercedes S-Class, I suggest you stick to subjects with which you are more knowledgeable, like hating other human beings. Just be sure to note that there is no fact in the opinions you render, and that you’re a hater. That would be the start of an honest discussion. Farmers are proud to know dirt, and you need to stay out of this discussion if your nails are clean.

    I know that Grandpa hated Joseph Stalin. He didn’t much like Jews, either, but was the best Challah-twister his bakery ever had, and changed his mind about Jews when his only daughter married one, because he loved his son-in-law. He still hated Stalin, but always loved America ’till the day we put his remains in the ground. In black Pennsylvania soil. God Bless America.

    The facts of the case:

    Little Joey was raIsed a Georgian Orthodox Christian (Grandpa was a closely-related Russian Orthodox Christian), so I’m confused about the religious, anti-semetic overtones. By the time “Big Joe” got to run things, the Bolsheviks had already ousted the hated Jews from their midst, and Trotsky, Christian-baby-eating, blood-sucking, cloven-hooved, pointy-tailed Jewish beast that he was, had been assassinated by Stalin in Mexico. This is not to suggest that Stalin was actually a Christian at the time of the demise, though I bet he prayed like hell to Allah or Um or Jehovah just before he expired. The evil ones always try to find an “out” at the last second.

    If you’re a Christian, you can pretend he was Muslim, because every “True Child of God” knows they like to kill people, and really do enjoy death (especially that of others) and Christians really love Jews now. If you read Fundamentalist Christian literature, you’d know that after 2000 years, they’ve finally realized The Savior Himself was Jewish, too (God help all you other heathens!);

    if you’re a Jew, you can pretend he was a Christian or Muslim because they’ve both always enjoyed killing Jews, and everyone knows Muslims still eat Christian and Jewish babies on kabob skewers at their religious holidays because we’ve heard the stories in church and synagog (they have just the right marinade to cover the nasty taste);

    if you’re a Muslim, you can pretend he was a Jew or Christian who liked to put high explosives in humus and steal land from Arabs while poisoning their figs and olive oil. Now, there’s a strategy.

    Uh…how many “Gods” did I cover, anyway? I thought He was One. Oh well. We’re not, and that’s all that really matters, right?

    Hopefully, we’re on the same page now, you damn fool “Children of God” (and if I were your Father, I’d beat you all soundly and send you to bed without TV.)

    A little history:

    In the internecine communist power struggle pre 1917, the faction with which the Russian Jewish community had aligned itself had been expelled from the Bolshevik Party. A bit paranoid, Joe was wont to erase friends and allies – he didn’t brook rivals at all. Oops. I guess the Jews got screwed again. So, it’s odd that any “thinker” could structure the phrase “Jewish Bolsheviks” in a Russian milieu post 1917, knowing that throughout Russian history Jews were mere chattel for Cossacks and peasants to string up for fun in pogroms. For those Americans reading (and most of us don’t read as a matter of principle, because it hurts our heads too much, and distracts from football on TV), imagine our old joy of stringing up dark-skinned people, the parades and stump speeches afterwards.

    Stalin thought he could collectivize farms in his realm (I did mention my family had a farm there, yes?) I doubt he intended to kill the folks who grew all the food the nation needed to survive – he was simply inept. And evil. After all, Ukraine was the “bread basket” of the region, and Stalin ate his pants one leg at a time, like everyone else. The plan was to build steel mills, forge plough shares into guns, the sort of modernization that the Tsars didn’t think about because they were too busy waltzing beneath gold chandeliers, eating caviar, and visiting Paris in spring. Sometimes the worst-laid plans fail.

    Now, the Jewish Commies in the US are a different story, as they didn’t have pointy tails like the ones in Russia, and they didn’t know what a meanie Joe was, because he lied to them. Joe liked to lie. He lied to Roosevelt, Truman, and his own mother when he said “I didn’t do it, Mom!” (He went to hell just for that, kids!)

    They thought they were Bolsheviks, even much later than 1934, because they thought Frieda and Lord Voldemort killed ‘ol Leon Trotsky, which was only half correct, because it was on order of Big Joe Himself. The Americans didn’t say anything at the time because, while they didn’t like Stalin, they hated Trotsky even more because he was a Jew, and were glad that Frieda painted pictures of parrots and fruit, and could be enlisted to do the laundry later, if needed.

    I’ll confess, I love fine art. I can’t imagine Frieda Kahlo sticking the knife in (despite all evidence to the contrary), so I invented a villain from fantasy.
    See how it works, bigots?

  8. To the author: How exactly do you rationalize your transition into discussing the role of the Jews into this topic? Seems to jump out of nowhere; and I’m not even certain the discussion needs to present itself whatsoever in the Ukrainian genocide via Communist Stalin–an American ally, mind you.

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