Revisions to Races of Man Classification

Repost from the old site.

Click to enlarge. This is the chart from the paper, The Origin of Minnan & Hakka, the So-called “Taiwanese”, Inferred by HLA Study, utilized in this post.

I usually try to be very conservative about adding in new races to my races of man post, but sometimes I just feel like I’m forced to. Based on this article, and in particular, the figure above, forced me to make some new splits.

The question was what to do about the Taiwanese people. Not the Taiwan aborigines – but the Hakka and Min Nan people of SE China who settled in Taiwan in the past 400 years. It turns out that they appear to be a discrete race, and that they are linked to Singapore Chinese and the Thai Chinese. In Singapore and Thailand, Chinese form a market-dominant minority position.

They are a minority of the population, but they tend to run businesses and be very wealthy. Similar cases are seen in Indonesia and the Philippines, where tiny Chinese minorities of 2-

So the interesting question arises – who exactly are the Chinese minorities of Thailand and Singapore? By genetic studies, we can now see that they are SE Chinese people related to the Min Nan and the Hakka.

The Min Nan and Hakka both speak languages that are called Chinese dialects, but in reality, they are completely separate languages. Both languages are doing fine – Min Nan (Southern Min) with 49 million speakers and Hakka with 34 million speakers.

Min Nan and Hakka both strangely lack official status anywhere, although Southern Min is widely spoken in Taiwan. It’s odd that some of the world’s most widely spoken languages lack official status – Min Nan is the 24th largest language, and Hakka is the 35th largest language, in terms of numbers of speakers.

Both languages are vigorous and are in good shape. Southern Min has a roman script that is fairly widely used. Hakka also has a roman script, but I am not sure how widely it is used.

Southern Min is actually a number of separate languages: Min Nan proper, Amoy, Click to enlarge. Here is a map of the various Chinese languages. These are not Chinese dialects, but actual separate languages. Some may be dialects of other Chinese languages though. The main languages are Mandarin, Wu, Cantonese, Min, Xiang, Hakka and Gan. Ping, Hui and Jin are classed above as dialects of those larger languages.Jin is classed as a dialect of Mandarin, but it is actually a separate language with 45 million speakers, making it around the 25th largest language in the world.Min is said 5 separate languages, but it is actually many separate languages. The 5 separate recognized languages are Min Nan, Min Dong, Min Zhong, Min Bei and Puxian. Min Nan itself is a number of separate languages. Huizhou, or Hui, is a separate language that is actually a set of related languages. Wu is more than one language.

Ping is traditionally considered to be part of Cantonese, but it is a separate language. Mandarin is also a set of related languages instead of one language. Cantonese is also be more than one language. Hakka is also be more than one language.

It is nonsense to say someone speaks “Chinese”. There is no such thing as a language called “Chinese”.

Instead, there are various languages in the Chinese language family – at least 14 separate languages, and actually many more. Mandarin is by far the largest of these languages, and most of the smaller languages are suffering under the influence of Mandarin. In addition, the Chinese government favors Mandarin and does not support the other languages much, if at all.

I also split off a group called the Li and another group called the Oroqen based on the chart above.

The Li are a transitional group between the Northern Chinese and the Southern Chinese, though they live on Hainan Island in the far south of China. They speak a Tai-Kadai language called Hlai which has 667,000 speakers. Use is vigorous; the language is doing well, but it is generally not written, although a Roman script exists. Mandarin is used for writing.

The Oroqen are nomadic people who live in far northeastern China and speak a Tungusic tongue. As you can see from the chart, they are closer to the Japanese than to the NE Chinese. There are only 1,200 speakers left out of a small 7,000 population, but there are 800 monolinguals, and use is vigorous by those who speak the language.

They live by hunting and used to practice shamanism. They still lack an official script for their language, but there are radio programs in Oroqen.

The truth is that both the Oroqen people and their language are in poor shape, and most of the blame can be placed on the Communist Chinese regime, even though the regime has also done many good things for the Oroqen. The Cultural Revolution in particular was a period of insanity, stupidity and terror.

An Oroqen Race was added to the NE Asian Major Race due to the extreme divergence of these people. I also added Inner Mongolians to the Mongolian Race inside of NE Asian.

I added the Buyei to the Tai Race within the SE Asian Major Race and created a new race called SE Chinese Race, consisting of Min Nan, Hakka, Singapore Chinese and Thai Chinese. The Buyei live in southern China and northern Vietnam and speak a Tai language that has over 2 million speakers yet has no official status. Buyei language use is vigorous, and it is in good shape.

There is a romanized script, and there are newspapers in the language, but they mostly use Mandarin for writing. The Buyei language is probably made up of a few separate languages, because some of the dialects are not mutually intelligible. The language is very close to the Zhuang language.

The SE Chinese Race really consists of the descendants of the ancient Chinese people known as the Yueh. The Yueh, or Yue, formed a state in southeastern coastal China during the Warring States Period and the Spring and Autumn Period. The state lasted from about 525 BC to 334 BC. The Chinese were already involved in metallurgy and were producing excellent swords during these periods.

The new lineup looks like this:

Northeast Asian Major Race*

Japanese-Korean Race Southern Japanese Race (Honshu Kinki – Kyushu) Ryukyuan Race Ainu Race*** Gilyak Race** Northern Chinese Race (Northern Chinese – Qiang – Manchu – Hui) Oroqen Race Sherpa-Yakut Race Nepalese Race (Nepali – Newari) Mongolian Race (Mongolian – Inner Mongolian – Buryat – Kazakh) Northern Turkic Race (Dolgan – Altai – Shor – Tofalar – Uighur – Chelkan – Soyot – Kumandin Teleut – Hazara)*** Central Asian Race (Kirghiz – Karalkalpak – Uzbek – Turkmen) Tuva Race Tungus Race (Even – Evenki – Russian Saami) Siberian Race Beringian Race** (Chukchi – Aleut – Siberian Eskimo) Koryak-Itelmen Race Reindeer Chukchi Race General Tibetan Race (Tibetan – Lisu – Nu – Karen – Tujia – Hui – Akha – Burmese – Bai – Yizu – Pnar – Mizo) Bhutanese Race Siberian Uralic Race (Nentsy – Samoyed – Ket – Mansi – Khanty) Nganasan Race Uralic Race (Komi – Mari) North American Eskimo Race

Southeast Asian Major Race*

Southern Chinese Race (Hmong – Mien – Dong – Henan Han – Yi – Naxi) Li Race Southeast China Race (Hakka – Min Nan – Singapore Chinese – Thai Chinese) South China Sea Race (Filipino – Ami Taiwanese Aborigine – Guangdong Han) Tai Race (Thai – Lao – Lahu – Aini – Deang – Blang – Shan – Dai – Vietnamese – Muong – Buyei) Kachin Race (Kachin – Va – Nung – Lu) General Taiwanese Aborigine Race (Ayatal – Bunun – Yami) Island SE Asian Race (Paiwan Taiwanese Aborigine – Sea Dayak – Sumatran – Balinese) Indonesian Race (Sulawesi – Borneo – Lesser Sunda) Malay Race (Javanese – Sarawak – Malaysia) Zhuang Race (Senoi – Zhuang – She – Santhal – Ho – Nicobarese) Austroasiatic Race (Mon – Khmer – Khasi – Nongtrai – Bhoi – Maram – Kynriam – Wajaintia) Meghalaya NE Indian Race (Khasi – Garo – Lyngngam) Philippines Negrito Race (Aeta – Ati – Palau Micronesian) Mamanwa Philippines Negrito Race Andaman Islands Negrito Race** Semang Malay Negrito Race***


Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL, Lee HL, Loo JH, Akaza T, Juji T, Ohashi J, Tokunaga K. March 2001. The Origin of Minnan & Hakka, the So-called “Taiwanese”, Inferred by HLA Study. Tissue Antigens:57(3):192-9.
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21 thoughts on “Revisions to Races of Man Classification”

  1. Why should I care about any race but my own race? Thanks to divisive Commie “tolerance” pushers my race has been demonized to the point where all the other races on this planet blame whatever they can on the white race. They are the new “grievance elite” in America, all these arrivistes and parvenues who have come to help themselves to our intellectual, scientific, cultural and spiritual treasure. Yesterday, in the seat behind me on a Greyhound bus, a very black bumpy necked African man with a big gap in his yellowed front teeth yammered into his cell phone at an uncomfortable volume in his native tongue for over an hour, oblivious to everyone around him. Had it been 1899 and had I been carrying a brass tipped swagger stick I would have beat that ugly kaffir to within an inch of his life for his insolence. Instead I had to sit there and put up with the man’s disrespect and dissonance for mile after sorry mile.

    1. Carry either earplugs or headphones while you travel. Alternatively, notify the driver if somebody if getting too noisy (this might not help if the driver is black too).

    2. Wow, beat a guy within an inch of his life for talking too loud??

      And guys like this like to claim that it’s blacks that are the violent ones.

      You’ve got serious issues, dude.

    3. Carry either earplugs or headphones while you travel. Alternatively, notify the driver if somebody if getting too noisy (this might not help if the driver is black too).

      Or man up, grow a pair of balls, and ask the guy if he can keep it down.

    4. You better be careful with that kind of talk around here whodares. We have a bunch of really mean Black people on this site who will whoop your ass verbally when you talk like this…You know how mean Black people can be…Hehe.

  2. “to help themselves to our intellectual, scientific, cultural and spiritual treasure. ”

    Yes, and how much of it can you personally claim credit for? Would it be, oh I don’t know, *none?*

    1. The thing is why would he come in here complaining about having to put up with someone’s dissonance for “mile after mile”? What kind of man is he if he sat there and kept quiet while being tormented? A real man would’ve turned around and said something rather than act passive aggressive about it and fantasize about beating someone within an inch of their life just because he lacked the courage to say something. I know I would’ve said something.

    1. I doubt if there is much DNA difference between the North, South and Center of Vietnam. If you look here, you can see that I put Vietnamese into something called the Tai Race. It was very close between the Tai group and the Southern Chinese group, since the Viets are very close to both. But I felt that they were closer to the Tai than to the S. Chinese group in the end. Viets are also quite close to the Khmer.

      So Viets are close to the Tai group, the Southern Chinese group and the Khmer group.

      Closest: Tai
      2nd closest: S. Chinese
      3rd closest : Khmer

      The current group of Vietnamese came down from Southern China in a huge wave about 2,300 years ago, swamping and intermarrying with the natives, who were Montagnard, Moi or Chu-Ru types. About 900 years ago, there was another large wave out of Southern China, Chinese conquerors. They conquered Vietnam and once again, bred in quite a bit with the natives.

      The Viets of the North do look a bit lighter and more S. Chinese like (especially like the Cantonese), and the ones to the South do appear darker and more SE Asian.

      The Vietnamese are genetically close to all of their neighbors in the region – the Cantonese, the Lao, the Thai, the Khmer, etc.

    2. Hi, I redid Vietnamese and made a new Vietnamese race.

      Vietnamese Race (Vietnamese – Deang – Jinuo – Blang)

      That’s it. The other groups are mostly from Yunnan, which is weird, but that’s what your paper suggested. The problem with these studies is that they often contradict each other, so it’s hard to untangle everything.

  3. Thank you Robert! There is some flaws with the research study (fingerprints) that I gave you. I was not sure how accurate fingerprints are in comparision to DNA testing for genetic studies. Also, the sample in these study is limited with little variability. However, the classification of the Vietnamese people that you suggested does correlates with their linguistic. I find all these information to be very interesting. Thank you for the information! I would love it if you could share more information about the Vietnamese people.

    1. Oh! I was curious of what is your opinion on why Vietnamese people tend to look the most East Asian out of all their Southeast Asians counterpart? They tend to have lighter skin than their Southeast Asians counterpart.

  4. I’m Indonesian. And I think Burmese people look very similar to us. Brown skin (Bahasa: Kulit Sawo Matang), straight hair (sometimes wavy). They look different than Tibetan. Burmese look “Malay” type, compared to Tibetan who look “Chinese/Japanese” type. Burmese culture is similar to Malay (wearing sarong) and the traditional house just like those in Sumatra, Borneo or Celebes. The difference is the religion. Burmese are Buddhist, and Indonesian are mostly Muslims. Indonesian history teacher untill now tell the students that Burmese are our ancestor (they call the place “Hindia Belakang” or Indochina) who came to Malay achipelago ca. 2500 BC. It probably because of similarities or what…? But could everyone here give me genetic study on Burmese Y-Chromosome? I’ve been looking everywhere, but nothing I found. For Robert, can you explain why Burmese phisically look the same to Indonesian than to Tibetan, though Indonesian and Burmese are linguistically not related?

    1. 80% of Indonesian genes are ancient Dai (20,000 YBP) from southern China or Yunnan. People from Yunnan also moved down into Burma. Indonesians got their languages mostly from Taiwanese aborigines who moved through a while back on their way out to New Guinea and Oceania. These were the Lapita people of Taiwan. Those are also your ancestors. Burmese language is related to Tibetan.

        1. No. The Taiwanese aborigines originally came from the part of China just to the west of Taiwan, around far southern China and far northern Vietnam. That’s the ultimate homeland of the proto-Austronesians.

  5. I am from Sri Lanka where the majority race (over 70%) constitute the Singhalese. I would like to know more about their origins other than the traditional theory that they originated from Gujarat in India.

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