The "Negro" – A Product of 300 Years in America

A commenter argues that American Blacks (Negroes*) were bred with brawn and not brains and this explains a lot of their problems:

The US only imports the top tier of, for instance, Indian and Chinese immigrants. So from an American perspective, Indians and Chinese seem very clever, even though in their home countries there is a broad variety of ability. It’s the same with Africans. Just look at Obama’s father.
But Africans descended from slaves had a different selection criteria – physical ability. Not only were they selected for this, but they were bred for this. The Atlantic passage weeded out the weak ones, the institution of slavery encouraged physicality over intellect. The results, in both culture and gene expression, are plain to see.
Robert Lindsay often claims that the mere presence of blacks degrades a society. However, would it not be better to import University-level Africans to raise the standard of American blacks? Any white would be happy to live in a suburb of Obamas.

This doesn’t make the tiniest bit of sense. Negroes have IQ’s vastly higher than the Blacks of the Caribbean or Africa, so your thesis doesn’t add up at all. Plus, I think they are a lot more civilized to boot.
I don’t think that Negroes are capable of the mass insanity of The Lord’s Army in Uganda, Charles Taylor’s rebels, the horrors of Zaire where 4 million have died and mass rapes often with extreme violence, are committed against women, where cannibalism is still common especially in the context of war where one’s enemies are eaten after being killed, where humans are murdered for being witches, where people are murdered to get body parts for witchcraft ceremonies!
Good God!
Whether they are less criminal in general is up for grabs, but South African Blacks seem to be much more criminal than Negroes, just looking at figures. Further, many African cities are virtual no-go zones for Whites. A friend used to work for the UN in Nairobi. They had high fences topped with razor wire and armed guards to keep the rabble at bay, plus strict rules about going outside.
I also think that Negroes are less corrupt than Africans. Africans do not seem to be capable of creating a non-corrupt society. Even in Equatorial Guinea, which is wealthy at $21,000 PCI, most of the people are horribly poor, malnourished, and the maternal mortality rate is insanely high.
Nigeria is a a very oil-rich nation. Any other country, especially an Arab country, should have made something decent of the place. Yet a tiny elite has stolen every other nickel and left the average Joe with pennies. The maternal mortality rate is ridiculous, the poverty and crime is horrible, and the place is basically a failed state.
The corruption experiment can be done by looking at the Obama Administration. He’s a Negro President, and he has lots of Negro staffers. Further, reporters on his campaign noted a “basic Black mindset” about the Obama campaign that differed from your typical White POTUS campaign. So, in many ways, the Obama Administration really is a Black administration. If Negroes were naturally corrupt, it should show through. Yet the Administration seems to have markedly low levels of corruption.
Along with corruption, we also find in Africa what seems to be a very low rate of altruistic behavior at the societal level. African states simply don’t do the slightest damned thing for their people. The leadership steals nearly everything, lives in gilded palaces with multiple wives and leaves the populace to sicken and die.
On the other hand, the Obama Administration seems to be quite altruistic. Many of their projects seem intended to provide for the betterment of all, in particular the workers, the low-income, the poor and the most vulnerable. The assumption is that Negroes have culturally evolved a higher level of altruism than their African brethren, possibly from a being discriminated minority that relied on mutual aid and self-help to get by, and the resulting sympathy for the underdog and the oppressed – the preterit as it were.
I have no doubt that Negroes used to act in these ways (see description of Africa above) when they were in Africa, and that they would still act like Africans if they were there. The 15% White genes in your average Negro are not enough to automatically create a much more civilized, altruistic and honest person.
A good argument can be made that Negro is a product of US civilization, which has always been a White civilization. 300 years of this have changed Negroes, probably culturally in the main, and apparently also in terms of intelligence. Living in the US has been great for the Negro’s brain. He is remarkably more intelligent than his Caribbean and African cousins.
An 87 IQ (average IQ of Negroes) is not particularly high, but it’s not that low either. It’s just a bit below the world average of 90. Further,many states with average IQ’s of 87 and even a bit lower have created quite nice and civilized countries. On an intelligence basis alone, Negroes are certainly intelligent enough to create a nice, civilized society. That they often do not is a bit of a mystery, but it’s not because they are stupid!
Give a basically decent Negro man a good job, a suit and a tie and a nice car, and he often acts pretty darn good. You see him walking down the sidewalk and he’s just another regular guy.
Negroes and Whites have co-evolved in the US whether we like it or not. Negroes are culturally part White, and surely we Whites are culturally part-Negro. We’re like an old married couple whether we like it or not. Old married couples sometimes fight a lot, but they’re stuck with each other and neither one is going anywhere, besides, they are sort of part of one another by now.
Race relations in the US cannot be properly analyzed until we realize the extent to which Negroes are part Whitened and US Whites are part-Negrified. Like the old married couple, we are now part of each other.
*I will use the often-racist term “Negro” here to distinguish US Blacks from African Blacks.

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26 thoughts on “The "Negro" – A Product of 300 Years in America”

  1. “Further, reporters on his campaign noted a “basic Black mindset” about the Obama campaign that differed from your typical White POTUS campaign.”
    I’m curious about that point. Can you elaborate on it more? How Obama’s campaign differed from white campaigns.

    1. Hi, I did not want to write about this because it sounds so racist. Well, some White reporters were writing articles about this. There was a chaotic, let it all hang out, freewheeling, let is slide and undisciplined attitude about the campaign. Now, they won the election, so it doesn’t really matter, but the White reporters didn’t really dig it. They also remarked that there was often a bad smell about the campaign offices, buses, planes and whatnot. I imagine that the smell was like food being left out, trash not being dumped promptly, stuff like that. I suppose that was what they were referring to. But anyway, the White reporters didn’t dig it. One wrote an article about it and said a lot of the other White reporters were complaining too.
      I really doubt if these folks are racist and just hallucinating. White reporters as a group are very liberal and especially very PC-liberal, and newsrooms are AA and Quota Central.

  2. One more thing on the topic of Nairobi, I know a white guy and his girlfriend who went to Kenya for a month, part of which was in Nairobi and they said they had no problems. So I googled “is Nairobi safe?” and saw this forum:
    http://www.africaguide.com/forums/read.php?9,5518
    Just from the general tone of the responses, it doesn’t sound particularly dangerous. It’s not Reykjavik, but not exactly Johannesburg either.
    There’s also a sex tourism industry there, but in reverse of the norm. Women flying in to have sex with men, which is interesting.

    1. Nairobi has a horrific crime rate. This is very well known. It’s worst of all in that notorious slum in the center of town, the name of which escapes me at the moment. There are African countries that are fairly safe, even in the big cities (Ghana comes to mind) but Kenya and Nairobi are not part of that group.
      The woman was an ultra liberal graduate of UC Santa Cruz in California, the king of the “Commie colleges.” She’s a Japanese-American who is extremely non-racist. Her last job was in some affirmative action thing where she was the point person on the AA committee to fulfill their “goals” and whatnot. I’ve met her. She’s anti-racist to the core.
      But that’s how it was at the UN Compound in Nairobi when she was there. She also said that nearly every day they heard about armed robberies, carjackings, homicides, bank robberies, and especially rapes. The women especially were scared shitless. Granted this was a while back (20 yrs ago) so maybe things have changed.
      If you read the African press (I do, do you?) there are lots of articles by Kenyans decrying the high crime rate in Nairobi. It’s very much a known problem, especially in that vast and awful slum (name starts with a “k”?).
      NO WAY is Nairobi safe, but parts of it may be.

  3. “She’s a Japanese-American who is extremely non-racist. Her last job was in some affirmative action thing where she was the point person on the AA committee to fulfill their “goals” and whatnot.”
    Racial preferences is itself racist, so she is herself one.

    1. Yeah maybe. Hey let me tell you something man. I run a Yahoo group that focuses on romance scammers. Many are out of Nigeria. A LOT of these older women (over 40) are going for these African guys! I mean A LOT. At the very least they like to look at them jack their big dicks on cam. At the other extreme, they fall in love with these guys, and quite a few have gone over to Africa to have meet them and try to marry them.
      They feel rejected by White American guys so they’ve got the jungle fever. Also, at least in my group, the % of older single White women having sex with Black men is VERY LARGE.
      Granted this is a select group, but there are definitely a few middle aged White women out there going for Black guys.

  4. I am not part of a swinger’s web site, and I can attest that there are quite a few White women who seek out Black men, however, many of these women are just into it for the sex. They do not marry them for the most part, and many have White husbands who are open to this, for some reason I cannot fathom. LOL.

  5. Bob, when the Sarajevo Winter Olympics were held, they said the Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks were happily married too. Didn’t pan out that way.

  6. I stumbled across something interesting. Has anyone heard of The Milwaukee Project? From what I read, it did wonders in bringing up the IQs of poor inner city black kids, but the funding for the program was also spent fraudulently and many people dismiss the project, but I can’t find many details about it. Because there were misappropriated funds doesn’t say anything per se about whether program actually worked for black kids. Does anybody know anything more about this project?

    1. That’s nice, but you really need to follow them all the way into adulthood. Tragically, these early gains are typically lost by age 18. But I suppose there is an argument just for raising childhood IQ’s so kids do well in school and do not fall behind. The Glenwood School Project did follow into adulthood and found that the experimental group was living on their own and working while the controls were retarded and institutionalized.
      The Abedcedarian Project followed them to adulthood and found 4.5 pt gain.
      According to my analysis, the B-W IQ gap for adults is no longer 15 pts but is now 13.2 pts. Not much, but every point pretty much matters at the lower end.

    2. That’s nice, but you really need to follow them all the way into adulthood. Tragically, these early gains are typically lost by age 18. But I suppose there is an argument just for raising childhood IQ’s so kids do well in school and do not fall behind. The Glenwood School Project did follow into adulthood and found that the experimental group was living on their own and working while the controls were retarded and institutionalized.
      The Abecedarian Project followed them to adulthood and found 4.5 pt gain.
      According to my analysis, the B-W IQ gap for adults is no longer 15 pts but is now 13.2 pts. Not much, but every point pretty much matters at the lower end.

  7. That’s nice, but you really need to follow them all the way into adulthood. Tragically, these early gains are typically lost by age 18.
    True… although apparently one by product of the Headstart project is that kids who went the program are less prone to commit crime than was expected for their peer group.

    1. They do better in a lot of ways. Many fewer are classed as retarded, they are more likely to be employed, to be off welfare, all sorts of things. I think they’ve even calculated that Head Start is cost effective in terms of savings later on in life.

  8. They do better in a lot of ways. Many fewer are classed as retarded, they are more likely to be employed, to be off welfare, all sorts of things. I think they’ve even calculated that Head Start is cost effective in terms of savings later on in life.
    Any of those improvements by themselves would be enough for my endorsement. Unfortunately at the low end of the totem pole I don’t things are improving much, a friend of mine just went through a program that entailed volunteering for one year in the Oakland, CA city school system. It sounded positively ugly. A good chunk of the poorer kids were going home to abusive situations that included beatings and adults getting high in front of them.

  9. “Has anyone heard of The Milwaukee Project?”
    I don’t think they ever published any results and there wasn’t a follow up so it may have suffered the same fade out problems shown elsewhere.
    The Abecedarian Project seems much more robust.

  10. To Tulio:
    Re: The Milwaukee Project
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Project
    Controversy
    The Milwaukee Project’s claimed success was celebrated in the popular media and by famous psychologists. However, later in the project, Rick Heber, the principal investigator, was discharged from the University of Wisconsin–Madison and convicted and imprisoned for large-scale abuse of federal funding for private gain. Two of Heber’s colleagues in the project were also convicted for similar abuses. The project’s results were not published in any refereed scientific journals, and even the existence of the project as described by Heber has been called into question. Nevertheless, many college textbooks in psychology and education have reported the project’s results uncritically.
    Apparently requests from other researchers for the data have been turned down.

    1. The data were finally published formally in a Report in 1988 by an honest
      and well respected person who worked under Heber but whose work seemed OK. However, it is odd that the Report was mentioned in Dec.
      1983 (Milwaukee Sentinel article by a reporter named Trebach ) as having
      been completed and sent to the publisher for release early in 1984. But it didn’t happen. No one has an explanation as to why. Actually, the report
      was also noted in a news item in mid 1980 as being “almost ready” for
      publication. The overall cost of the Project is reliably estimated at nearly
      $14 million. The treatment /experimental/ group originally had an N20
      and by 1987 had an N 17. This is over $800,000 per child ! It seems no
      one has ever identified any of the children—that is, there has been no follow up of them as young adults to see if work performance, post high
      school training, marital stability, etc., differ significantly between the experimental and the control group. While it was reported that Heber had
      no further contact with the academic community after his conviction of mishandling funds (unrelated to the Milwaukee Project) it appears at the
      time of his death (early December 1987) in a mysterious plane wreck in
      Rwanda carrying a purported “photo safari” centering upon a former student of his, then a Pediatrics Associate Professor at Texas Tech. U.
      Amarillo Health Sciences Center, Heber was likely covertly an academic research advisor to her research that apart from some overt interest in
      mountain gorillas appears likely covertly to have been in early childhood
      locomotion of the children in this central African population??? Heber led a life of highly cultivated secrecy (“the Howard Hughes of academic research” ) and was found to have not even been living in Wisconsin notwithstanding that he had two full time faculty positions at UW Madison!!
      It is not really clear whether in fact he might have been centrally working
      within the American national security apparatus and mainly connected to the Madison campus as “a base of operations”. While many otherwise odd features of the Milwaukee Project might be reconciled by such an assumption–it is one thing to say the facts seem largely consistent with
      such a national security operative function; it is quite another to know whether they are , in fact, indicative of such a function. Now, 34 years
      after Heber was investigated and successfully prosecuted, the cloud
      cover over his career relevant activities seems unabated. Why?

  11. The response to local and national disasters is awesome but it’s a real shame that so many people take advantage of the sad situations.
    I mean everytime there is an earthquake, a flood, an oil spill – there’s always a group of heartless people who rip off tax payers.
    This is in response to reading that 4 of Oprah Winfreys “angels” got busted ripping off the system. Shame on them!
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/crimesider/entry5251471.shtml

  12. “On the other hand, the Obama Administration seems to be quite altruistic. Many of their projects seem intended to provide for the betterment of all, in particular the workers, the low-income, the poor and the most vulnerable. The assumption is that Negroes have culturally evolved a higher level of altruism than their African brethren, possibly from a being discriminated minority that relied on mutual aid and self-help to get by, and the resulting sympathy for the underdog and the oppressed – the preterit as it were.”
    Not to take away from Obama’s accomplishments, but you can’t use him as an example in this regard. Obama has a lot more eyes on him, which is something you can’t say about the corrupt African leaders. All things aren’t equal. A kid wouldn’t steal a cookie while his parents are watching.
    But overall, I agree that Africans don’t seem to care about each other. The more power they get, the less they seem to care. There are exceptions, though.

    1. I don’t think lack of corruption is an “evolved” trait. It’s learned cultural behavior. I think one possible reason for the grotesque level of corruption in Africa is that there are just so many ethnic groups living in one country. And ethnic groups that often don’t like each other. So you get a president of one ethnic group and he could give a damn about the interest of anyone outside of his group. Every tribe is making a grab for the goods and they wont’ any other tribe to have any. Of course the origins of this came from Europeans who drew up the boundaries within African according to the interest of Europeans with no respect to the regional boundaries of the various tribes and ethnic groups. Now you have nations with dozens of ethnic groups that hate each other but are forced to live together.

  13. I’m Tom and I cannot, for the life of me, remember how I found you guys. I think it was from a PC Mag, but then it might not…..
    Although UK born and bred (N. Yorkshire Dales), I enjoy following the US politics and comparing the similarities with our UK mob of politicians.
    My political views and tendencies are mostly sceptical tending to unclassifiable. Some things I’m conservative about, other things, I agree with ‘The Left’. The rest, I’m either sorta Centrist’ about, or I disagree with all of ’em… Whatever way I see it, I treat politicians with the deepest distrust, until they prove otherwise I’m new.

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