Black Immigration to Europe and Other Musings

One of my Liberal Race Realist commenters notes on the Liberals Ruined American Blacks, and Other Republican Lies post:

Isn’t this why Lincoln wanted separation – he realised that different average abilities meant there would be large inequalities & that would create problems?
What is incredible is that European countries allow in large number of Blacks naively assuming that they will perform differently to those in the US.

Letting in Blacks is just fine, I have no problems with it. However, a Liberal Race Realist position notes that, say, African Blacks have very low IQ’s and probably are going to fail in advanced European society. They will also probably commit lots of crime.
That doesn’t mean don’t let any of them in! It means be very picky. The US immigration program for African Blacks is one of the great world immigration success stories. Any nation would want to emulate it.
Wisely, we put no quotas on Africans in 1965. Instead, we let in only those we really think can make it. As is, we generally only take the cream of the African crop here in the US. African immigrants to the US have been a smashing success – they have the highest IQ’s of any immigrants – about 107.5. They also have the highest educational attainment.
Some racists have argued that a degree from a Sub Saharan university is no good, but that does not seem to be the case. I understand that these universities are actually quite rigorous despite what you might think. Anyway, once they get in here, African immigrants usually need to pass their boards.
I have known two African immigrants, both Physician’s Assistants. PA is a very rigorous job. Both obtained their PA degrees in rigorous programs in the US, since we don’t accept PA grads (assuming there are any) from other countries. Both were very good at what they did, especially the man, a very intelligent Nigerian guy.
People look at the African IQ and conclude that all Africans must be morons. They even produce complex equations showing that the number of bright folks must be very small. Yet that does not seem to be the case. I’m not sure how it works, and I don’t understand the math behind it, but there are quite a few smart Black Africans. How do I know? I’ve met some of them.
I knew a fellow from Benin, Black as night. He used to work for my company as a programmer. He went to Morocco, got a degree, then on to France, where he is working in IT. The guy is just a flat out genius. He’s got to be smarter than I am, and I have a genius IQ (>140).
He’s so brilliant in IT* that last I heard he was working with some ultra-geniuses at MIT on some super advanced academic style cutting edge IT theory stuff. I read it over, but I could not make heads or tails out of it. You know the IT brains at MIT must be some of the smartest around.
He’s now living in France and he’s a fine addition to the French nation (further, he speaks fluent French from Benin). He’s not only an IT brain; he’s smart about just about anything. You start talking politics, history, you name it, and he starts rattling away.
He’s also, like many Blacks, extremely sociable (spends a lot of time in bars), has a taste for White women and is quite skillful in acquiring them. One of the last times I talked to him, he said he had to go because he had a 2 AM “date” with two White French girls. Haha!
He was also overconfident, somewhat irresponsible and a little sloppy (I am going to go out on a limb and argue that this is part of “Black intelligence” and possibly “Black personality”) like many Black geniuses. He worked for me for a while as a programmer, and I had to fix up his code sometimes because he banged it out so fast. It was kind of hard, especially since I’m not even a programmer myself!
What I mean by “sloppy” is that a lot of Blacks have a “don’t sweat the small stuff” type attitude towards work and life in general. That’s fine, but it gets in the way in “uptight” White society.
A friend is now at the university. He had a Black girl in his group with this typical mindset. She had a “just bang it out and forget about it” mindset. My friend kept arguing that such and such a presentation was a bad idea, or that they should clean up the misspellings, poor sentence construction, etc. but her attitude was “wing it” and “as long as it gets a good grade, who cares.” My friend said she was actually bright, but she did have this “quick and dirty” attitude.
Obviously, this is just stereotypical Black personality. As a counterexample, Alpha Unit, my Black guest poster on this site, is diligent, perfectionistic and self-correcting nearly to the point of excess. Black personality and Black intelligence are merely generalizations, and many Blacks are not going to fit into that neat box.
*It is quite interesting that Africa is starting to produce a lot of mathematics geniuses, usually men of course. If Africans really do have elevated testosterone, this should excessively masculinize the male African brain. One upside to this is a possible tendency of a few of the brightest male Africans to do very well in math (a heavily masculinized brain is math-superior).

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89 thoughts on “Black Immigration to Europe and Other Musings”

  1. well, there are no doubt lots of Africans that can do the crazy theoretical math, but no black African has ever won the Fields medal. there is a similar absence of blacks in high school and college math competitions.
    just something that i read on the gnxp website, a while back. not even sure what it means or why i bring it up, other than to cheer on my caucasian brethren.

    1. Any names of African math prodigies? Also, I must say I’m astounded by this:
      “As is, we generally only take the cream of the African crop here in the US. African immigrants to the US have been a smashing success – they have the highest IQ’s of any immigrants – about 107. They also have the highest educational attainment.”
      Most of the Africans I know personally are pretty intelligent (although one or two of the women are as dumb as a bag of hammers) but I wouldn’t have guessed this.

    2. Well, it is said to be between 105-110, so I just rounded it off to 107. Their kids are doing fantastic too, and the parents really, really, really HATE US Black “culture.” I mean, they HATE it. They really try hard to keep their kids away from it too.
      It makes sense if you think about it. We only take the cream of the African crop. Many of them have degrees and even advanced degrees.
      Just goes to show why generalizing about races and ethnic groups is sort of moronic.

  2. The problem though is that these smart and talented Blacks are leaving Africa to degenerate even further by depriving that continent of their needed skills, similar to the Indian immigrants who immigrate to The West.
    Instead of abandoning their home countries for a bit of Western money they should be sticking around in their own nations and working to improve them. As it looks to me now the intelligent elite is just abandoning their native non-White nations to rot, or else The West is ‘depriving’ those non-White areas of future leaders and societal builders by inducing them to immigrate here. Doesn’t “blood and soil” mean anything to them?

    1. Easy for you to say. If you were one of those high IQ Africans, what would you be doing? Probably the same thing. Someone offers you a chance to study at MIT and then go live in Paris, what would you do? Heck, I’m a middle class American and even *I* would jump at the chance to live in the city of lights.

  3. I suspect most high IQ Africans can be found in areas where there has been mixing with Caucasoid North Africans. This does not necessarily mean that they will have lighter skin, as for example the Fulani tribe spread across much of West Africa is about 1/3 North African but not really any more light-skinned than their neighbors, and the Tutsis of the Great Lakes region are actually a little bit darker.

    1. That’s not really true. Most Africans don’t have much Caucasian in them. The only ones that have White are in the Sahel and Ethiopia. The rest are pure Black.
      The Fulani live in the Sahel, not West Africa. They live around Mali and Chad. The Africans of Ethiopia, North Sudan and the Sahel do not have notably higher IQ’s than those further South. The IQ’s are all about the same. There doesn’t appear to be an IQ gain in Ethiopia, North Sudan, Somalia and the Sahel where they have some White in them.

    2. Is the source of these IQ data “IQ and Global Inequality” by Flynn and Vanhanen? I find the methodology in that book a bit suspect especially in its assignment of “national average IQ’s” to 79 nations with no IQ data.

  4. “One of the last times I talked to him, he said he had to go because he had a 2 AM “date” with two White French girls. Haha!”
    This is actually one reason Europeans might want to limit the immigration of Blacks. Let me first say that I try not to be racist and I don’t see anything inherently wrong with interracial dating. However, there tends to be a gender imbalance between Blacks and Whites when it comes to dating. Black men date White women far more often than White men date black women. This is one of the main reasons why there were and are so many racial tensions in the US. For example, White parents didn’t want their schools integrated because it would mean lots of Black men dating White women and lots of White men left single with no girlfriends.
    When Black men are around, it means fewer White women for White men, and it’s as simple as that. Unless you’re a White man who wants to date Black women, which for one reason or another is rare, the presence of Blacks in your area is going to limit your dating options. Instead of the pretty White girl you’d normally have, you might end up with an average White girl. Instead of the average White girl you’d normally have, you might end up with an ugly White girl or no girl at all. If you have lots of sex appeal, then instead of the two pretty White girls you’d normally have, you’ll only have one.
    As an American White man I have very mixed feelings about this, especially because I am attracted to mixed Black women as well as Asian women and Latina Women. Also, I genuinely like Black men and some Black women. I don’t hate them, I’m just annoyed that Black men take so many of the White women in urban areas. Interracial marriage statistics in the US do not show a complete picture because they do not differentiate between urban and rural areas. They show most White people date other White people, but this factors in the fact that there are millions living in rural areas which are almost completely White. In urban areas with lost of Blacks, most of the hottest White women are either dating Black men or they have in the past, and quite a few are having their babies. If you go to bars downtown you will see lots and lots of White women with Black men. I believe that everyone should be allowed to date who they want, but European men should be wary of letting lots of Black men in unless they want to see White women pairing up with Black men in droves. If European men are equally or more attracted to Black women than White women then they have nothing to worry about, but for most European men this is not the case.
    I’m not trying to be racist here, if anything my aim is to prevent race based resentment, conflict, and misery.There is a strong anit-immigration sentiment sweeping across Europe already. Many Europeans are annoyed that Asia is for Asians, Africa is for Africans, but “Europe is for everybody.” I’m opposed to treating others badly because of their ethnic background but I can understand how Europeans would be upset about having to deal with higher crime rates, an achievement gap, and a shortage of women in their dating pool on their very own continent.

  5. The more I look at this whole Regression Towards the Mean business, the more I think there is a massive HBD misunderstanding of it.
    IQs of course regress towards a mean, but not the racial mean.
    If that was the case it would indicate the only important IQ determining demographic is race, NOTHING ELSE.
    Obviously by that logic there could be no mutations for higher IQ in ethnicities, and we’d basically be perpetually stuck as members of our 5 races, with no advancements in IQ. Obviously this is not the truth.

      1. This is what people don’t get. If all races regressed to the full mean of that race then selection for high IQ wouldn’t have occurred. Another misunderstanding of regression and the like from dolts who shouldn’t be talking about what they don’t know.

      1. Not sure of the exact reason; I was going to ask you.
        Mugabe apparently was trying to impersonate PP, maybe he flipped shit or something. Lol.

        1. Yeah Mugabe is pretty batshit.
          Apparently he’s 42-43 years old (took the GRE to get into a graduate program in 1995, at age 21)
          If he was like 12-13 maybe I can understand his behavior.

        2. He’s talking about making his blog ‘more PC’. I left this comment that he removed:
          Why be PC when that’s what the opposition wants? What kind of changes would you bring? The opposition wants us to be more ‘PC’. Now, if you’re talking about just idiotic vitriol then yea I agree that it doesn’t further any comments. However, opinions on other racial and ethnic groups shouldn’t be pruned to make this blog more ‘PC’.
          Maybe I’m reading too much into the ‘PC’ thing and you can clarify for me.
          Your comment is awaiting moderation.

        3. He must mean PC in the sense of profanity, hatred of the Jews, etc.
          He is obviously very pro-Jew, and NAM.
          A few commentators are vitriolically anti-Jew, but not him.
          I really think it’s pretty ‘safe’ for Blacks, etc. not overtly offensive.
          He may be a Mulatto….I’m suspicious.

        4. “He must mean PC in the sense of profanity, hatred of the Jews, etc.”
          More than likely. Though he claims to be for free speech, yet wants to be humble. Does. Not. Compute.
          “He is obviously very pro-Jew, and NAM.
          A few commentators are vitriolically anti-Jew, but not him.
          I really think it’s pretty ‘safe’ for Blacks, etc. not overtly offensive.
          He may be a Mulatto….I’m suspicious.”
          Exactly. He’s said that he’s half German, we know that much. So he must be a Mulato. I agree with you. He deleted his Bushmen and Aborigine threads! Wonder why.
          Check out the thread on his blog for his reasoning. I don’t buy it. People go to a (mostly) HBD blog knowing what they’ll discover, uncomfortable truths about human nature. So those people should be ‘ready’ to read what is written. Do you think I care about what people think about what I write? Nope. If you’re that averse to it then you can attempt to debate me but if you’re just going to use your feelings, take it somewhere else.

  6. It’s not that all the high IQ Africans and prodigies are leaving Africa. Many, many, many more stay behind. What’s happening is that these Africans are going to environments that are conducive to the expression and manifestation of their high intelligence. This is what race realists and HBDers don’t understand about human intelligence. When talking about human intelligence, we’re talking about equal potential, not equal outcomes. Put Einstein in a different environment and no one would have ever heard of him. He might have ended up doing menial labor. Or he simply might have lived his life in obscurity with no hint or acknowledgment at all of his genius.
    There surely were geniuses and super-smart people among European barbarians. But because they lacked a fertile or conducive environment, no one ever heard of them. The same is applicable to Africa.

    1. “It’s not that all the high IQ Africans and prodigies are leaving Africa. Many, many, many more stay behind. What’s happening is that these Africans are going to environments that are conducive to the expression and manifestation of their high intelligence. This is what race realists and HBDers don’t understand about human intelligence. When talking about human intelligence, we’re talking about equal potential, not equal outcomes. Put Einstein in a different environment and no one would have ever heard of him. He might have ended up doing menial labor. Or he simply might have lived his life in obscurity with no hint or acknowledgment at all of his genius.”
      So what you are saying is that there is issues in reporting in terms of focusing on outliers? That is not really the technique and point in IQ metrics based on populations. The point is that IQ metrics we have available measure variability and central tendency of IQ, allowing us to approximate the amount in the right fraction of the bell curve in that population.
      With that said, if we are to talk about outliers, their COULD be underestimations for a nation by the assumption of the variability of IQ in a nation being the same for each ethnic group.
      For example, lets say a nation has a average of 80 with an SD of 12.5. It’s possible that if the right side of that variability in the nation’s bell curve contains and ethnic group that would be genetically distinct to a degree in regards to variability and mean and they have their own “bell curve”.
      That could be the case in Africa as many countries contain different ethnic groups that are particularly associated with wealth. Like in Ghana with Akan groups, Nigeria with Igbo, Cameroon with Bamileke and historical the Duala, The Soninke in Senegal.

      1. That’s cute, Phil. Now link to these alleged IQ tests of Africans. Who conducted them? Who financed them? Who took them?
        Whenever I ask one of you clowns to substantiate these African IQ claims you’re never able to do so. So as far as I’m concerned these claims are apocryphal. Stands to reason since people alleged to have retardation level intelligence wouldn’t be able to master multiple languages, operate airliners and perform brain surgery.

        1. Many Africans who are able to make the long dangerous journey to Germany might be intelligent but when they get there the degree of strain they place on the social system will be tremendous.
          They will end up in the poor Arab quarter where some will be radicalized and others will just end up prostitutes or runners for drug gangs.
          Being intelligent in a halfway house full of local mental defectives, thugs, petty criminals will not maximize your potential to grow into a model citizen in a new country.

        2. “That’s cute, Phil. Now link to these alleged IQ tests of Africans. Who conducted them? Who financed them? Who took them?”
          http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iq-of-sub-saharan-africa/
          When excluding people who are struck with environmental depressors, the 70 average becomes 82. This was attained by Jelte Wicherts who tries to refute Lynn, but the problem their is that by excluding those environmental stressors it becomes unrepresentative as he claimed Lynn to doing.
          “Whenever I ask one of you clowns to substantiate these African IQ claims you’re never able to do so.”
          I’m pretty sure I have gave you various literature on racial differences in intelligence, but perhaps I haven’t given you such with African Natives.
          However, YOU never suceed in explaining in scientific terms why the studies are wrong when I do send them to you.
          “So as far as I’m concerned these claims are apocryphal. Stands to reason since people alleged to have retardation level intelligence wouldn’t be able to master multiple languages, operate airliners and perform brain surgery.”
          Except that I have explained why an IQ at 70 for Africans is different than that of whites, and How blacks and whites vary in subtest scores which causes them to not seem retarded.
          http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/09/21/blacks-and-whites-with-the-same-iq-still-differ-a-lot/
          https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/two-kinds-of-dumb/
          Even then, when you use airliners and brain surgery you are now using outliers, not average people.

        3. Phil,
          So you expect me to accept intelligence “studies” done by racists, white supremacists, segregationists and eugenicists? Studies which, by the way, have been thoroughly debunked.
          No thanks. Do you have anything credible?

        4. Of course Phil once again links to white supremacists sites as “proof” of his bullshit. I think Phil is actually a comedian. No one can be this dumb.

        5. He’s quite sure anyone who opposes him is stupid, someone who doesn’t bring up sources, forgetting the biased nature of his.
          But of course Mr. anti-PC, freedom of speech, and saying this not be a prick, wants to quit debating with what he says are bad debaters

        6. “Phil,
          So you expect me to accept intelligence “studies” done by racists, white supremacists, segregationists and eugenicists? Studies which, by the way, have been thoroughly debunked.”
          You keep on saying that but failed to show so. BTW, I’ve seen your comments on Racerealist’s blog on “Debunking” the Minnesota study and failing to do so.
          Second, my link actually includes a study that tried to debunk Lynn but actually failed to do so for similar reasons why Lynn was criticized.
          So obivously you can;t even bother to read a simple post, so I shouldn’t get my hopes up to see you actually debunk a study.
          “No thanks. Do you have anything credible?”
          Do YOU have any alternative that is actual data, not anecdotal, that reflects the skills of an average native African in their nation?
          This shouldn’t be such a big issue for you to comprehend considering that
          A. You admitted that many who go the West are prodigies, thus you would understand why they wouldn’t be representative as a sample reflecting the general population
          B. You also said that, despite so, many more stay behind and their presence should help the measures of the general population.

        7. Minnesota study?? 😆
          Shit, any study done from the blonde haired blue eyed utopia is going to b e racist. Well, of course…

        8. “Of course Phil once again links to white supremacists sites as “proof” of his bullshit. I think Phil is actually a comedian. No one can be this dumb.”
          Except What i’m actually link is the data from actual studies, the website just gives it an easy format to read.
          “He’s quite sure anyone who opposes him is stupid, someone who doesn’t bring up sources, forgetting the biased nature of his.”
          See my note above and actually read what I said about the information included on the site.
          “But of course Mr. anti-PC, freedom of speech, and saying this not be a prick, wants to quit debating with what he says are bad debaters”
          Any seeing how both of you have proved to have not read what I posted in which it dismisses your points of bias.
          As I said, it included data of Jelte Wicherts, a psychometric who tried to refute lynn but who has also used flawed methodology.
          Oh, BTW, that link also includes test scores from actual African nations themselves.

        9. Again it’s about the interpretation. What is the motive of those doing the interpreting? Obviously WNs don’t love NAMS, most of them, so they’re highly motivated to say negative things about scientific findings regarding them.

        10. “Phil’s bringing up of actual studies as interpreted by who? That’s where the bias comes in.”
          But YOU will have to point it out. And when we say “bias” in terms of studies, you would have to prove so in how they would’ve achieved a manipulated result from their methodology or logic by the interpretation of others.
          https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/13/strong-evidence-strong-argument-race-iq-and-adoption/
          Here’s an interpretation, dispute it by the means I explained above or by any satisfactory mean. Case in point, if it exists, then you shouldn’t struggle to point it out.
          “The minnesota thing was just dark sarcasm,a joke.”
          Regardless here’s more replication of the results, with links to the original studies if you want to investigate for bias.
          http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/race-and-iq-mixed-populations-part-1/

        11. “Again it’s about the interpretation. What is the motive of those doing the interpreting? Obviously WNs don’t love NAMS, most of them, so they’re highly motivated to say negative things about scientific findings regarding them.”
          See my other response on how to prove bias.

        12. Phil,
          I don’t have to debunk the Minnesota Adoption Study since the people that conducted that study, in effect, debunked it. They described it as “inconclusive.” In other words, debunked.
          Given that this study that you white supremacists are so in love with was debunked by its originators and creators, why should I waste my time debunking it?

        13. Keep linking to white supremacists, Phil. Sure that makes you very credible .
          Now the black militant white supremacist Phil is linking to not politically correct, which is run by the blogger going as race realist. Not politically correct is an absolute cesspit of some of the most racist and laughable pseodoscientific screeds I have ever encountered. Race realist is either a comedian or one of the dumber white supremacists on the Internet.

        14. “Phil,
          I don’t have to debunk the Minnesota Adoption Study since the people that conducted that study, in effect, debunked it. They described it as “inconclusive.” In other words, debunked.”
          No, “debunked” means that that the findings themselves aren’t reliable. What “inconclusive” means is that the data doesn’t clearly display the cause of the results.
          “Given that this study that you white supremacists are so in love with was debunked by its originators and creators, why should I waste my time debunking it?”
          Because you confused “inconclusive” with “debunked”. Also, I gave a link of other studies that replicated thew results.

        15. “Keep linking to white supremacists, Phil. Sure that makes you very credible .”
          Uum…I’ve already explained that the reason why I do is that it provides access to multiple studies and not just one. Thus you could easily find the links to various studies to debunk.
          “Now the black militant white supremacist Phil is linking to not politically correct, which is run by the blogger going as race realist. Not politically correct is an absolute cesspit of some of the most racist and laughable pseodoscientific screeds I have ever encountered. Race realist is either a comedian or one of the dumber white supremacists on the Internet.”
          You know it’s funny that I’ve asked you to provide scientific reason without insulting you or anyone else here, you instead proceed to act unprofessional and hasn’t argued anything in terms of scientific logic. If anything, I’ve shown how you barely understand science down to vocabulary.
          A. Give me an alternative under the terms I have explained above.
          B. Prove bias under the terms I have provided above with the studies themselves which I have linked to.

  7. Africans are not immigrating to the best parts of Paris or Germany but to the poor neighborhoods where the whites they meet will be junkies, cheap hoodlums and thugs.
    Even if a few are quite intelligent it won’t matter. Street life will toughen them up and probably many are already hardened from life in total poverty in Africa.
    Jail in Europe with a Television and three squares a day and clean sheets…Gee, that is going to scare them.

      1. Jails in Western Europe are better than those in the U.S. even if they do not have television in individual cells.
        They would be like a college dorm in the U.S.

        1. Maybe your exxagerating a bit. Basically your saying they’ve upgraded to modern mental hospitals or low security prisons.

  8. Africans won’t MEET Einstein in the places where refugees are given a welfare check to live.
    In addition to all else, blacks often run into the worst members of the white race. Thugs, junkies, hoodlums, mental patients in the halfway houses and welfare hotels.
    This won’t exactly improve them.

      1. When Blacks go to Germany they won’t move to areas where they’ll meet folks like Einstein, they move to the ghetto, that’s where they can afford to live.

        1. Why do you assume that only stupid people live in Ghettos? There’s nothing in nature that prevents geniuses from residing in ghettos.

        2. Well I think that if you have the ability not to live in the ghetto, you won’t.
          There are probably people with personality issues, etc. with High IQs living in the ghetto, along with High IQ kids who don’t yet have the opportunity to leave.

        3. Why do you assume that only stupid people live in Ghettos? There’s nothing in nature that prevents geniuses from residing in ghettos.

          Possibly some beatnik types, bohemians etc.. might reside in the ghetto.

        1. Again more confusing anti-racism with SJW extremism. Science generally would confirm the ideas of anti-racists a lot more than those of SJWs. On the other hand, as Chinaedu was saying, the Race realist extremism is generally pseudoscience.

  9. I suppose Jewman’s post was operating on the assumption that the 130 IQ parents were well above their genetic IQ, which causes it to regress.
    I suppose if you had parents who had genes for an IQ 110, the environment could maybe have a +/- points effect?
    For instance say those parents had a good environment that led to an IQ of 120, the IQ would regress to their genetic IQ of 110, not their racial mean?
    Or the reverse, if they had bad environments the IQs would regress from 100 up towards 110.

  10. Two fundamental issues with alt-right mantras are;
    1. IQs don’t regress to the mean like they say they do. We’re not going to be destroyed by highly selected NAM immigration. They insist
    Phenotype= Race alleles + Environment (and NOTHING else)
    Trade is not inherently bad. If you can produce good A better than good B, while another nation can produce good B better than good A, you produce good A and they produce good B, hence more is produced overall. This is basic economics.
    I do think that trade can be revamped not to have some of the negative effects of the people in the U.S. who were producing good B not being fucked and then getting called ‘privileged crackers‘ by the SJWs.
    Nationalism simply is not viable in this day and age.
    Managers aren’t going to have tribal chimp outs and not hire a just as smart African Immigrant because he hates Blacks.
    Trade is benefiting lots of people.
    Selection, selection, selection.

    1. The Alt-Right is ironic in that they complain about the suffering of the (White) working class yet believe in different abilities based on wealth and consider themselves right wing.
      Think about it.

      1. “The Alt-Right is ironic in that they complain about the suffering of the (White) working class yet believe in different abilities based on wealth and consider themselves right wing.”
        Great point. A Marx quote is apt here:
        “Each according to his ability to each according to his need.”
        I get about being charitable, but these people think that ALL whites are some kind of supermen. They get mad about interracial dating and say OUR RACE IS BEING GENOCIDED!! Yet 1) ugly, low IQ women race mix and 2) they claim to be ‘realists’ yet don’t understand that low IQ whites are in their situation BECAUSE of their low IQ and genetics.
        Speaking of AltRighters Will, check out Razib’s open thread. Richard Spencer got BTFO as a hypocrite.
        These people just want power.
        See here:
        http://www.unz.com/gnxp/open-thread-10312016/#comments

        1. (((Race Realist))) you stupid fuck…
          The white working class would be better off without non-whites in their country.
          No WN thinks all white people are supermen you stupid cunt. Most WN are in favor of eugenics because we sure as fuck need it.
          It isn’t just stupid and ugly white people that are race mixing
          White people are being “genocided”. Granted it is being done “slowly” and for the most part without violence (so far). I get that a lot of people are too fucking dumb to get this and you’re probably one of them. If your attention span can handle a ten minute video go watch this…
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og
          Of course we get that low IQ white people are usually not in a good position because of their IQ. Who the fuck said otherwise?

        2. What do you mean stupid and ugly? Women with big asses marrying blacks? It seems to be in the eye of the beholder. Note that are society is obsessed with thin looks.
          As for intellegence, I havent seen any of the women that date blacks have an IQ that different from the average norm.

        3. @Stalin Tonks
          I’m not a Jew, but that seems to be your idiotic ‘calling signal’ and what you say to anyone who shows what bullshit the ‘leadership’ of the WNs are. Such hypocrites! Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer have yellow fever. But what about the white race? Neither of them are up to speed on the newest data and will cherry-pick garbage that their low IQ followers eat up because they don’t know how to think for themselves.
          “The white working class would be better off without non-whites in their country.”
          I never claimed otherwise.
          The working class would STILL have low wages. Unless you don’t believe the IQ-income correlation. Some people are destined to be low-wage earners. Race be damned.
          “No WN thinks all white people are supermen you stupid cunt.”
          it takes on counterexample to falsify anything. You’re wrong. You’d be surprised at the garbage and complete disregard for actual genetic studies that I’ve read from these dolts.
          Oh, name-calling. How intelligent, but I expect that from WNs when the truth is said.
          “Most WN are in favor of eugenics because we sure as fuck need it.”
          Then when eugenics makes all the low IQ whites go away, there’d still be a low IQ class and the cycle would repeat itself. You WN are completely irrational and averse to the facts. You complain about ‘white genocide’ yet the low IQ whites are mixing. What’s to complain about if you are for eugenics?
          “White people are being “genocided”.”
          Choosing not to breed (due to genetic inclinations) is not genocide. Migration is not genocide. Migration happened all throughout history, is it any different just because we’re in the year >2016? That’s what you idiots don’t understand about human population genetics. Nords are a mongrel race and didn’t coalesce until ~5000 years ago. But keep telling yourself Nordicist WN fantasies.
          “Granted it is being done “slowly” and for the most part without violence (so far)”
          Uhhuh. Do me a favor and check out how slowly the Native Americans died, which was said to be ‘genocide’. A rate of like .14 percent per year. Whoa!!! Much genocide!!! You WN are just alarmists and propagandists. Your leader Richard Spencer is a hypocrite.
          “I get that a lot of people are too fucking dumb to get this and you’re probably one of them. If your attention span can handle a ten minute video go watch this…”
          I’ve seen it. What about it. The thing is, my attention span is much better than to watch some gay cartoon video. I read books. Long books.
          “Of course we get that low IQ white people are usually not in a good position because of their IQ. Who the fuck said otherwise?”
          You’d be surprised. People, like most WN, are low IQ morons. You have an idea in your head THEN you look for data to support it. That’s not science. Most WN are idiots.
          Moreover, most WN push old outdated Nordicst garbage about the ‘origins of the white race’. When, to use their terminology, the white race is a ‘mongrel race’ just like all other races. But the newest studies in population genetics are too complex to understand so they go to places like the DailyStormer to get their lowbrow ‘science’ from that idiot Andrew Anglin, who doesn’t even science and what ‘science’ he does do is bullshit mixed with propaganda.
          The WN conclusion is sound, but the premises are false. The argument makes no sense. Take a basic logic class and you’ll see that. The argument is false because the premises are false (whatever idiotic fantasies they have about the origins of white people).
          Go back to using your stupid and chidish ((())) and idiotic name-calling. That’s your level.
          @Jason Y
          “What do you mean stupid and ugly? Women with big asses marrying blacks? It seems to be in the eye of the beholder. Note that are society is obsessed with thin looks.”
          There are objective ways to measure beauty, facial symmetry for one.
          “As for intellegence, I havent seen any of the women that date blacks have an IQ that different from the average norm.”
          We match by intelligence, g, more often than not. We can then say that, most likely, white women who race mix are low IQ. It’s basic logic. Something that Stalin Tonks up there needs to learn.

        4. “Stalin Tonks you stupid fuck”
          W.V. is 93%-94% White. There are very few non-White workers, yet something isn’t going right.
          Care to elaborate on what that is?
          Or is it the 6%-7% non-White population that causes the issues?
          I’m w8ing.

        5. “Of course we get that low IQ white people are usually not in a good position because of their IQ. Who the fuck said otherwise?”
          If you agree with this statement it begs the question why you just chimped out over it…..?

        6. Will, of course it’s all the NAMs committing the crimes in WV and other Appalachian states. It’s not like low IQ is correlated with crime or anything.
          “If you agree with this statement it begs the question why you just chimped out over it…..?”
          Because WNs don’t logic.
          In other news Will, I’m done commenting at PP’s blog. I can’t STAND PC garbage. He said he’s going to stop using the term ‘Oriental’. Really?
          Now the only logical conclusion for him is to retract all of his ‘more evolved’ ‘superior’ and ‘progressive evolution’ garbage as that is not being sensitive to other races and people.

  11. I will credit Trump with giving poor Appalachian Whites attention;
    I.E. The condescending NAM treatment.
    Will anything change?
    No.
    In the future the fact that many poor Whites are low IQ is going to be talked about more and more. It’s unfortunate, but they can’t have their cake and eat it too. They can’t condemn the Net Worth of NAMs due to IQ and then suddenly shift gears when it comes to downtrodden Whites. #logic101

  12. @(((Race Realist)))
    “I’m not a Jew,”
    Maybe you should do a DNA test.
    “but that seems to be your idiotic ‘calling signal and what you say to anyone who shows what bullshit the ‘leadership’ of the WNs are. Such hypocrites! Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer have yellow fever. But what about the white race? Neither of them are up to speed on the newest data and will cherry-pick garbage that their low IQ followers eat up because they don’t know how to think for themselves.”
    You can pretty much attack anybody for some reason so what’s your point? If you don’t like Anglin or Spencer then take someone like Jared Taylor or Kevin MacDonald.
    “I never claimed otherwise.”
    Well good. Don’t say we don’t care about the white working class then.
    “The working class would STILL have low wages. Unless you don’t believe the IQ-income correlation. Some people are destined to be low-wage earners. Race be damned.”
    Of course we don’t believe in equality, either between races or within races.
    “it takes on counterexample to falsify anything. You’re wrong. You’d be surprised at the garbage and complete disregard for actual genetic studies that I’ve read from these dolts.”
    Show me one example of a WN saying all white people are supermen you lying cunt.
    “Oh, name-calling. How intelligent, but I expect that from WNs when the truth is said.”
    You fucking deserve it dipshit. Stop polluting this board with your lies and straw men.
    “Then when eugenics makes all the low IQ whites go away, there’d still be a low IQ class and the cycle would repeat itself. You WN are completely irrational and averse to the facts. You complain about ‘white genocide’ yet the low IQ whites are mixing. What’s to complain about if you are for eugenics?”
    Even if the average IQ was raised to 130 there would still be “low IQ” whites who have IQs of “only” 110 or 115. There are huge benefits to raising the average IQ as it solves a lot of social problems. So what exactly is the problem with raising average IQ scores? And second, it isn’t only low IQ white people that race mix.
    “Choosing not to breed (due to genetic inclinations) is not genocide. Migration is not genocide. Migration happened all throughout history, is it any different just because we’re in the year >2016? That’s what you idiots don’t understand about human population genetics. Nords are a mongrel race and didn’t coalesce until ~5000 years ago. But keep telling yourself Nordicist WN fantasies.”
    I’m not a Nordicist you stupid fuck although I do wish to see Nords continue to exist in the future. Your comments about migration are fucking retarded. You may as well say “There’s no problem with Europe being overrun by niggers because migration has been going on for thousands or years” I don’t want to live in a country full of niggers. If you do, then feel free to move to Africa. Japan currently has a super low birth rate but even if the population drops ninety percent it will still be Japan because most of the people there are Japanese and they don’t just let “migration” happen and flood their country with non-Japanese.
    “Uhhuh. Do me a favor and check out how slowly the Native Americans died, which was said to be ‘genocide’. A rate of like .14 percent per year. Whoa!!! Much genocide!!! You WN are just alarmists and propagandists. Your leader Richard Spencer is a hypocrite.”
    According to morons like you they weren’t genocided. I mean there’s still a few around today right? And BTW, it wasn’t that white people killed them all it was that so many of them race mixed.
    “I’ve seen it. What about it. The thing is, my attention span is much better than to watch some gay cartoon video. I read books. Long books.”
    Well reading doesn’t seem to help you that much. You’re still a fucking idiot. Try reading something useful for a change.
    “You’d be surprised. People, like most WN, are low IQ morons.”
    What exactly have you said that’s so smart? You don’t even fucking get that we are “slowly” being genocided even when it is pointed out to you in a ten minute cartoon that a fucking ten year old could understand.
    “You have an idea in your head THEN you look for data to support it. That’s not science. Most WN are idiots.”
    What ideas do I have that are so wrong. Not what other people say, me.
    “Moreover, most WN push old outdated Nordicst garbage about the ‘origins of the white race’. When, to use their terminology, the white race is a ‘mongrel race’ just like all other races. But the newest studies in population genetics are too complex to understand so they go to places like the DailyStormer to get their lowbrow ‘science’ from that idiot Andrew Anglin, who doesn’t even science and what ‘science’ he does do is bullshit mixed with propaganda.”
    So you look for stupid people who are WNs to say stupid things and then write off all the good stuff smart people say? Is that smart or is that fucking stupid?
    “The WN conclusion is sound, but the premises are false”
    Well now we’re getting somewhere.
    “The argument makes no sense. Take a basic logic class and you’ll see that. The argument is false because the premises are false (whatever idiotic fantasies they have about the origins of white people).”
    Are countries are being overrun with niggers and you’re worried that some people on your side may be mistaken about the origin of white people five thousand years ago. Get your fucking priorities straight.
    “Go back to using your stupid and chidish ((())) and idiotic name-calling. That’s your level.”
    Now that I see that you’re a potential ally I will go easy on you. Stop saying bullshit that all WNs think all white people are supermen. That is total nonsense and you know it.

    1. “Maybe you should do a DNA test.”
      Why give someone my DNA willingly (I know it’s had other places, but why a random company?).
      “You can pretty much attack anybody for some reason so what’s your point? If you don’t like Anglin or Spencer then take someone like Jared Taylor or Kevin MacDonald.”
      I like them. Especially MacDonald. Big fan of evo-psych. My point is, if you’re going to espouse certain values, stick to your guns and don’t be a hypocrite.
      “Well good. Don’t say we don’t care about the white working class then.”
      My point is, a lot of these ‘big guys’ in the WN movement have no idea what it’s like to be poor. They just do it for the power (like Spencer).
      “Show me one example of a WN saying all white people are supermen you lying cunt.”
      I’m obviously exaggerating. But the way they talk about white people is like whites are gods. Would ‘supermen’ be like Nordic aliens? Yes, some people believe that.
      “Even if the average IQ was raised to 130 there would still be “low IQ” whites who have IQs of “only” 110 or 115. There are huge benefits to raising the average IQ as it solves a lot of social problems. So what exactly is the problem with raising average IQ scores? And second, it isn’t only low IQ white people that race mix.”
      I don’t think a society with that high of an average IQ would function too well. You need a good amount of lower IQ people to do menial labor. Topped off with the fact that lucrative jobs are few and far between, you’d have a bunch of high IQ people with nothing to do, only menial work. How does that make sense?
      “I’m not a Nordicist you stupid fuck although I do wish to see Nords continue to exist in the future.”
      Excuse me if you’re not a Nordicist. However most WN push these retarded fantasies of whites being in Europe for 40kya, when at that time all the European ancestors lived OUTSIDE of Europe. I think everyone has a right to exist. I do, however, find it hypocritical to complain about invasions from 3rd world countries when the 1st world was the first to invade first world countries.
      “Your comments about migration are fucking retarded. You may as well say “There’s no problem with Europe being overrun by niggers because migration has been going on for thousands or years””
      Are the comments about migration false? Here’s my take on the migration thing.
      The ‘good enough’ live and the weak die. Evolution, life, is about reproduction, not production. So evolutionarily speaking, equatorial peoples have an edge. If whites were to be replaced, would that not be evolution in action?
      I can care less about politics. I like science and evolution. Complaining about things you can’t change is a waste of time.
      So who’s allowing Europe to be overrun? Look at polls of countries and their reaction. Who really cares? South and East Europe. In my opinion, the West and North will die out or be extremely dwindled while the South and East prosper.
      “I don’t want to live in a country full of niggers. If you do, then feel free to move to Africa.”
      When have I ever said that I do? I like living in America. I don’t have to see anyone who doesn’t look like me and I keep it that way. I have an interest in evolution and science and I look at things through that lens, not one of politics and emotion.
      “Japan currently has a super low birth rate but even if the population drops ninety percent it will still be Japan because most of the people there are Japanese and they don’t just let “migration” happen and flood their country with non-Japanese.”
      How’s that working out for Japan?
      https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/09/17/japans-population-decline-and-rk-selection-theory/
      Why do you think Eurasian birth rates are low? It’s part genetic in nature. The population bottleneck coming OoA dropped Eurasian fitness 1 percent. Deleterious alleles from Neanderthals that introgressed into Eurasian populatuons are the cause for another 1 percent decrease in fitness.
      https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/15/neanderthals-inbreeding-and-rk-selection-theory/
      East Asians have 20 percent more Neanderthal DNA on average than Europeans due to a back migration into the ME. Knowing this, is it any surprise that East Asian birth rates, Japan specifically, are having fertility problems?
      90 percent? How would things look for Japan with 13 million people??
      “According to morons like you they weren’t genocided. I mean there’s still a few around today right? And BTW, it wasn’t that white people killed them all it was that so many of them race mixed.”
      It wasn’t genocide buddy. IIRC, there are MORE ‘Natives’ today than when we first settled America. Muh genocide.
      “Well reading doesn’t seem to help you that much. You’re still a fucking idiot. Try reading something useful for a change.”
      Reading is one of the most useful activities you can do.
      “What exactly have you said that’s so smart? You don’t even fucking get that we are “slowly” being genocided even when it is pointed out to you in a ten minute cartoon that a fucking ten year old could understand.”
      I saw it years ago. Cute cartoon. Don’t take what I’m saying to say I want open borders. I want closed borders with great security and all that good stuff. I wish we would pull out of the ME (the only reason we’re there is because of the Jews) as I believe all peoples should have a land to themselves.
      “What ideas do I have that are so wrong. Not what other people say, me.”
      I don’t remember. I’ve said a few things to you here and there. I don’t really follow your commenting.
      “So you look for stupid people who are WNs to say stupid things and then write off all the good stuff smart people say? Is that smart or is that fucking stupid?”
      The DailyStormer is the most popular WN site on the internet. Check out some of the things that are said there (as well as The Right Stuff). A lot of it is straight garbage. But I guess the top 2 WN sites on the internet aren’t representative.
      While you’re at it, check out the comments section of AmRen. Complete idiocy. Christian evolution-deniers. People who believe we literally evolved from monkeys. Full of idiots.
      But I guess the most popular WN websites don’t mean anything.
      “So you look for stupid people who are WNs to say stupid things and then write off all the good stuff smart people say? Is that smart or is that fucking stupid?”
      Read the comments sections of these websites and you’ll see these people aren’t too smart. I’ve read a lot of ridiculous things in my time. Had countless debates with these people. Most are not too bright.
      Do you know who Billy Roper is? I dismantled him on the Solutrean Hypothesis a few years back on a message board. He’s an ‘intellectual’-type guy. He’s an idiot who believes myths.
      “Well now we’re getting somewhere.”
      I never said I disagree with what is stood for. I disagree with pushing bullshit as truth. I want truth, not spin. I want science, not myths.
      “Are countries are being overrun with niggers and you’re worried that some people on your side may be mistaken about the origin of white people five thousand years ago. Get your fucking priorities straight.”
      Should wrong things not be pointed out?
      Here’s an example.
      Two years ago Andrew Anglin had an article with a graph from a Nature paper showing the X/A ratio (about breeding patterns) and he claimed it to say that Africans are closer genetically to bonobos than to Europeans. I blew that garbage up and even emailed the head researcher for comment who of course said I was right.
      I can’t tell you the amount of times that someone cited that garbage. Should things like that not be corrected? People believed his complete misconception on the graph (a non-scientist) and the misconception spread to where people cite it like it’s true. No imagine that same person showing it to someone who’s uninitiated to human population genetics and he believes it. And the myth permeates until most WNs believe it. Would that be good or bad that people are pushing garbage from an idiot who doesn’t even science? How good would that be for the movement?
      Things like that need to be nipped in the bud, lest your whole movement looks bad.
      “Now that I see that you’re a potential ally I will go easy on you. Stop saying bullshit that all WNs think all white people are supermen. That is total nonsense and you know it.”
      As I said I have no problem with the conclusion, just their reasoning FOR the conclusion.

      1. Yeah AmRen has been attracting Paleocons more and more.
        It’s not uncommon to see super religious creationists there. Ann Coulter is a hero and yet pretends to be a creationalist.
        Mike Pence, whose paternal grandmother was a Kohn according to geni.com, is a creationist.
        Ted Luze= creationist. Bad.
        Mann Coulter and Mike Kohn= creationist. Good.
        Grunt. Grunt.

        1. I like paleoconservatism. I am a Ron Pauler.
          Not surprised about Pence….errrr Shekel. But he’s the G-D Emperor’s VP! He’s a good goy!
          Ann Coulter is an idiot. I don’t think that’s her real personality. She does it for the shock value and to sell books.
          They give WN such a great name denying evolution. The most idiotic one is “Hurrr how du black skin n black kinkeee hair evolve in to light skin and straight and light hairrr hurrr”.
          Bunch of idiots.

        2. Mike Scheckel, that’s a good one. Lol.
          A few were very upset Trump picked him. They wanted him to pick your guy; Christie, but they couldn’t call Hillary corrupt effectively with Christie as VP.
          Anyhow, we should now the election results relatively early Tuesday evening.
          In EST, Hillary has to win 31 electoral votes from the battleground states (New Hampshire-4, Pennsylvania-29, Florida-29, Ohio-18). Trump has to win 51.
          Florida looks like shit for him right now, based on early voting. Pennsyvlania is a little better. He’ll have to win NH, Ohio, and Pennsyvlania, which is unlikely.

        3. Hillary must win 41, not 31.
          Trump must win 51.
          If neither get to their respective numbers it’s going to be a nail biter.

        4. I’ll be in a 3 hour lecture while it’s going on and by the time I get home it should be around 11.
          Know of any links where Coulter talks about Creationism? I’d like to laugh.

        5. http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/07/07/ann-coulters-flatulent-raccoon-theory/136117
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless:_The_Church_of_Liberalism
          http://scifichristianguy.blogspot.com/2013/06/evolution-vs-creation-it-is-war-and-it.html
          She believes you can’t believe in evolution and be a Christian, and she calls herself a christian. Hence she doesn’t believe in evolution. I guess she never just came out and said it, I thought she had. Lol

        6. That’s pretty much admission right there.
          G-d creationists are idiots. How can you honestly believe that?
          AmRenners are so stupid. When I first got into HBD I liked AmRen. Then as I learned more I realized they push a political agenda. I try to be non-political in my research. I try to be as objective and unbiased as possible. Those idiots on AmRen–and the AutRight as a whole–look for things to confirm their biases.
          Ann Coulter is an idiot. And people like her. The only thing I like about her is a year and a half ago she tweeted “how many god-damn Jews do people think are in this country?”
          All the Autistes think that she ‘set the way’ for Drumpf to be anti-illegal immigration. But he reneged so many times. IF he gets in HE WON’T DO ANYTHING. Then it’ll be a riot to see these idiots using the same excuses that leftists used for Obama. “Congress blocked him!! He doesn’t have unlimited power!!! MAGA!! MA-MAGA!!!” Teh may mays!!
          That’s all these idiots are. And man if I see that damn frog again….It’s so damn annoying and childish.

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