The Left Supports Racial Separatism in the US

Just not for Whites!
I dig this blog, but I have issues with Western Maoists guys for the usual reasons. White nationalists may be interested to note that they support ethnic secessionism in the US! Just not for Whites. They support the execrable Aztlan Chicano secessionist movement in the US and the Black secessionist movement in the US South, which aims to create a state out of the US Black Belt (map here).
They support these absurd causes because supposedly Blacks and Hispanics are both oppressed minorities in the US, hence have the right to self-determination according to Marxist (specifically, Leninist and Stalinist) theory.
I figure if you’re going to give Blacks and Chicanos the right to secede, why not give Whites the right to secede too? Some other questions remain unanswered. Would the Blacks and Hispanics have the right to throw all the Blacks and Hispanics out of the Black and Hispanic states?
I assume these guys are completely hostile to White nationalism, but it’s interesting that they see both US Blacks and Hispanics are members of oppressed nations. I guess Whites don’t get to secede because they are not an “oppressed minority?”
The independent Black state in the South would be a disaster. The whole place would probably turn into some combination of Detroit plus the Mississippi Delta.
Being an oppressed minority in the US is the best thing that’s ever happened to US Blacks. We’ve gotten rid of slavery and Jim Crow, and racism has been declining for 45 years since the Civil Rights Act. Anywhere else on Earth, they would be worse off.
Want to go back to Africa? Didn’t think so. Want to move to those wonderful Black countries in the Caribbean? Nope. How about moving to that wonderful state of Brazil, where they got rid of racism once and for all? Guess not. Blacks in the US and the rest of the West have it better than anywhere else on Earth. Granted, we could certainly treat them better, and that’s a task that anti-racists at their best moments continue to hammer away at.
But Blacks and Whites in the US evolved in a symbiotic relationship. I don’t know about Whites needing Blacks, but I’m convinced that US Blacks need US Whites. They’d fall apart without us. An independent Black state in the South would be a massive fail.
Segregation in the past did not work for Blacks. Ask how many Blacks want to go back to segregation? The independent Black state would in effect be a return to segregation. What happens when you pull all the Whites out of a city and return to an effectively segregated Black ghetto? No matter what it’s called, Oakland, East St. Louis, the Bronx, Harlem, South Central LA, South Side Chicago, Newark, Gary, Hammond, Baltimore, Washington DC, New Orleans, the result is much the same. A Black ghetto, with sky-high rates of crime and every other social pathology you can think of.
We can argue on and on about why Black ghettos end up the way they are, but the fact is that they are what they are. When Blacks are more spread out and not living in heavily-Black communities, it seems obvious to me that they do better, though I haven’t seen any studies yet.
For example, my city is 4% Black. A lot of these Blacks are pretty ghetto, and a lot of them are low income. Nevertheless, the Blacks here cause few problems if you ask me. You do see them getting arrested a lot, but it’s for stuff like driving on a suspended license, pimping, prostitution, domestic violence, stuff like that. The local Blacks do not commit much street crime. There is no wave of thefts, beatings, rapes and murders attributable to them. For one, their numbers are so small that Black gangs have not taken hold, but crucially neither has Black “culture”, which with these folks would just be ghetto culture.
But could you imagine what this city would be like if it was 67% Black and not 4%? I would not even want to live here! The Black crime rate would be much higher than it is. Integration is great for Blacks. Segregation is so bad for them, it’s downright deadly. Hence the Black state is doomed to fail.

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26 thoughts on “The Left Supports Racial Separatism in the US”

  1. “Integration is great for Blacks.”
    If it is good for Blacks to be around Whites, by that logic, wouldn’t it be good for Whites to be around Whites?

    1. It is good for Whites to live around Whites, sure.
      But to deny Blacks their basic right to live around Whites, which is objectively good for them in many ways, and force them to live with lots of Blacks, which seems to be bad for them in lots of ways, is a human rights violation for Blacks.

  2. Were you aware on one of his first visits here-before perestroika-Gorbachev wondered aloud why the US didn’t have seperate enclaves for minorities. And Gorby’s a “liberal/modernist”
    Russ!

    1. Yes, that’s very interesting. However, he did let all of the minority regions split away and form their own states. Hardly anyone realizes that the reason that those states were allowed to break away is because it said in the Soviet constitution that the republics had a right to break away.

    2. ACTUAL nations in the US have their own autonomous territories, it’s just that Blacks, Whites and Chicanos are not such.

    3. I guess you do. I was actually commenting on Ken’s Gorby quote, which in my opinion comes from ignorance of American history. And I agree with you in that Aztlan thing being really abhorrent, the areas conquered by the US were very sparsely populated, mostly by Amerindians and a very tiny Spaniard elite. That people was actually allowed to stay there.

    4. What’s even more incredible is that the vast majority of the Californios (all 7000 of them) actually supported the independence movement. They hated living under Mexican rule. The war was an outrage, but what’s done is done. The overwhelming majority of Chicanos in “Aztlan” are here because they left that crap-pile called Mexico to come to a much better place called the US.
      Mexicans keep coming here all the time for the same reason. Mexico sucks, USA is better. Like they really want to go back and be apart of the Mexico they fled. Forget it.

  3. But Blacks and Whites in the US evolved in a symbiotic relationship.

    No, it is parasitic. One party benefits from the other’s expense, much like mosquito bites.

    1. It would be more accurate to say that welfare recipients benefit at the expense of taxpayers, unless you want to think not a single white receives welfare and no single black pays taxes. If you want to hold such a simplistic view instead of being obviously bollocks, you are welcome. The same goes for slave trade and Jews.

  4. Interesting that you say whites never needed blacks. Yet they went out of their way to bring them here. I mean it’s not like black just came over on their own volition like other immigrants.
    “Being an oppressed minority in the US is the best thing that’s ever happened to US Blacks. ”
    That is a disgusting comment. Perhaps you’d revise your opinion if you were at the receiving end of a lynch mob. Or if you were being sprayed in the street with a water cannon like a dog because you want basic rights. The hubris of some whites never ceases to amaze me.
    “Want to go back to Africa? Didn’t think so.”
    How does one go “back” to a place they have not from? Africa isn’t Oprah Winfrey’s home anymore than it is yours. Neither do Africans consider black Americans to be long lost relatives. They view black Americans(much to the surprise or some Afrocentrist visitors) the same way they they view white Americans. As simply foreigners in their country.
    “Want to move to those wonderful Black countries in the Caribbean? Nope.”
    Which? I have relatives in Barbados and they seem to be living just fine. Oh of course, whenever people like you want to denigrate blacks in the Caribbean, you point out Haiti being the worst example and then proceed to hold it up like it represents how ALL blacks in the Caribbean live.
    “How about moving to that wonderful state of Brazil, where they got rid of racism once and for all?”
    Actually I’ve been to Brazil and adore it. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I had no obligations here in the U.S. and it was easy to get citizenship in Brazil.
    You really need to get off your high horse and stop assuming you know so much about black people. You clearly don’t.

    1. Interesting that you say whites never needed blacks.
      We don’t need them at the moment, that’s for sure. Not like they need us.
      “Being an oppressed minority in the US is the best thing that’s ever happened to US Blacks. ”
      That is a disgusting comment. Perhaps you’d revise your opinion if you were at the receiving end of a lynch mob. Or if you were being sprayed in the street with a water cannon like a dog because you want basic rights. The hubris of some whites never ceases to amaze me.

      I am speaking of the present tense, not the past.
      “Want to move to those wonderful Black countries in the Caribbean? Nope.”
      Which? I have relatives in Barbados and they seem to be living just fine. Oh of course, whenever people like you want to denigrate blacks in the Caribbean, you point out Haiti being the worst example and then proceed to hold it up like it represents how ALL blacks in the Caribbean live.

      US Blacks have a much higher standard of living and a much better life than Caribbean Blacks. If the Caribbean was so much better, a lot of US Blacks would just be taking off for there all the time. That never happens. No matter how much Blacks bitch about the US, notice they never leave for some better Black country. Because there aren’t any.
      “How about moving to that wonderful state of Brazil, where they got rid of racism once and for all?”
      Actually I’ve been to Brazil and adore it. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I had no obligations here in the U.S. and it was easy to get citizenship in Brazil.

      Fine, but objectively speaking, that place is a catastrophe for Blacks. Look at how the Blacks live in those horrible favelas. Outrageous. Even our worst ghettos are not that bad. Face it, US Blacks live much better than Brazilian Blacks.

    2. “We don’t need them at the moment, that’s for sure. Not like they need us.”
      I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. Anyone that works or performs some necessary job or function in a society is *needed* by definition. Unless you’re trying to argue that most blacks are not working or doing any necessary functions. Do you think I as a black man *need* some hillbilly in an Oklahoma trailer park? Of course not. I also don’t need some crack smoking gang banger in New Orleans either. Yet I do need Barack Obama to administer the nation and I need black police officers and fireman to keep the peace and put out fires. I am now self-employed, but when I worked for others, I was NEEDED by my employer. You have this essay you put up about how your site is not racist and every individual should be respected, but then you go and make a statement that is the very antithesis of that. And essentially say an entire group is not needed – based upon their race. Furthermore, such generalizations could probably be made about many groups when they are a minority in that country. I’m sure the Japanese could survive without the minority of Koreans that live there, or without the small minority of whites that live there. But that doesn’t mean these Koreans and whites are not performing necessary and valuable functions of that nation’s economy. So why put them down? Or belittle their contributions?
      “US Blacks have a much higher standard of living and a much better life than Caribbean Blacks. If the Caribbean was so much better, a lot of US Blacks would just be taking off for there all the time.”
      There are plenty of places in the world where there is less racism than in America, more welfare benefits, a fairly liberal immigration policy and an even higher standard of living than the U.S. Take Scandinavia for example. I don’t see black Americans lining up to emigrate to Scandinavia.
      “That never happens. No matter how much Blacks bitch about the US, notice they never leave for some better Black country. Because there aren’t any.”
      Most people don’t leave their home country period. Even when their country is in bad condition, most stay, because it is their home, and only leave if the situation becomes extremely dire. Why would blacks want to leave? Their families are here, their lives are here, their roots are here. This is THEIR country as much as it is yours. And the average black person’s roots go back further in America than the average white person’s, given that the largest number of whites came in during the great immigration wave and most blacks came here during the slavery period.
      Also, as to your claim that a separate black America in the south would like like a big Detroit. Well, I’ve never been to Detroit so I can’t make any claims as to what it looks like there, but assuming you mean it will resemble an urban inner city slum. I think your point is off. A separate black America will most likely resemble black communities in the Jim Crow era where you had a mix of prosperous middle class, and some wealthy elites, and an underclass of black people. They would not ALL be doomed to poverty. The problem with people’s perceptions of black Americans is that the black middle and upper class is largely invisible to them, even though the middle class is the numeric majority. I think the primary reason is that there are few places where middle class blacks live concentrated, such as they did under Jim Crow when there was no choice but to build their own business and provide services to the black communities. After segregation ended, middle class blacks fled and many just started working for white companies rather than building their own business(which I think was a mistake in that it made blacks less self-reliant as they’d been under segregation) Thus the black middle class is pretty much dispersed, and the only concentration of blacks you see is the underclass. Therefore blacks are symbolically associated with the underclass, much to the frustration of middle class blacks sick of seeing their reputation tarnished by people they don’t even want anything to do with. Imagine if the situation where the reverse and every middle class white was tarnished by the white trash you see on Jerry Springer?
      Now if you’re talking about making a separate state consisting of -only- underclass blacks, then yeah, it would look like a 3rd world country in no time. But hell, if you made a state of nothing but underclass Appalachian whites, I’m not sure the result would be too great either.
      In the end, some blacks are needed by society, some are not, some whites are needed, some are not. But the idea of making such a sweeping generalization about entire groups I find insulting. Now if this was a neo-nazi website like stormfront, I’d say it’s par for the course, but since you claim this site is anti-racism and people should be judged as individuals, I’m holding you up to that standard.

  5. All the Blacks in the US could take off tomorrow and objectively, Whites would not be any worse off at all. There is a lot of evidence we would be better off. We don’t need Blacks one bit, and if anything, they probably drag us down. However, Blacks do need Whites.
    This post is not racist. Racism means hating a group of people. I don’t hate Blacks at all. I don’t dislike them. And I completely reject the PC view of racism that you are spouting here. Further, I am not engaging in hate propaganda against Blacks either. I’m just telling it like it is. We don’t need Obama, Black cops, Black firefighters, Black anyone, really. We Whites can do just fine without them, and in fact, if they vanished, the crime rate would plummet and many cities would become livable again. I’m convinced that if all the Blacks in the US took off tomorrow, while there would be a downside, it would be massively outweighed by the upside. We don’t even need them for cheap labor anymore. We have illegal Latinos for that.
    There are plenty of places in the world where there is less racism than in America, more welfare benefits, a fairly liberal immigration policy and an even higher standard of living than the U.S. Take Scandinavia for example. I don’t see black Americans lining up to emigrate to Scandinavia.
    Yep, all White countries too. Blacks don’t want to leave the US. They have it way too good here, plus we will treat them way better than the Swedes will. I don’t think Scandinavians like Blacks too much. Most Europeans don’t, really. We treat Blacks well here because we are used to them and not freaked out by stereotypical behaviors and pathologies.
    Sure, Blacks are better off here or in other White countries than in any Black country on Earth. Blacks have it good here. They should be happy instead of bitching all the time.
    Most people don’t leave their home country period. Even when their country is in bad condition, most stay, because it is their home, and only leave if the situation becomes extremely dire.
    Not necessarily. Blacks are leaving Haiti in droves. Latinos are flooding out of Mesoamerica to the US. Arabs and Africans are flooding into Europe.
    This is THEIR country as much as it is yours. And the average black person’s roots go back further in America than the average white person’s,
    I am well aware of this…
    Also, as to your claim that a separate black America in the south would like like a big Detroit.
    I don’t know…Most Black run and Black majority cities in the US are catastrophes. Africa is a catastrophe. The Black Caribbean is not a very good place. I don’t think that Blacks on their own build very good societies, or even cities for that matter.
    I’m convinced that a Black state in the US would be a total catastrophe, but you’re entitled to your views.
    This is not a neo-Nazi site. This is a whole new point of view here. It’s called Liberal Race Realism. Get used to it. There’s more of this coming your way.

  6. The post IS racist. Because you are using RACE as your primary determinator as to who would make a better society. You could slice it in many ways. I could say, we’d be better off if we could ship off the poor(regardless of race) to somewhere else for example, the effective result would be the same. I could say we’d be better off if we shipped off all criminals(regardless of race) and we’d all be better off. You just happen to choose RACE as your criteria. Which to me is racist because you could base your criteria on other factors that would eliminate unproductive people with a much greater accuracy.
    “We don’t need Obama, Black cops, Black firefighters, Black anyone, really. ”
    That’s like saying, “we don’t need Jewish cops, Jewish firefighters or a Jewish president…”. Yeah well they exist and they are providing a necessary function in society. I’d like you to tell me what YOU DO that is so important that makes you more worthy of remaining in America than Barack Obama. If you have these beliefs go ahead and have them. But don’t sit here and claim that your site is anti-racist when you are clearly advocating racist thinking. Don’t sit here and tell me that you judge people as individuals and then at the same time tell me that accomplished black individuals are unnecessary and unneeded in society. Once again, if that’s your belief, you’re welcome to it, it’s a free country and my life continues on fine regardless, but don’t post a bunch of nonsense about this site being anti-racism. It’s offensive to anti-racists. Because so far, I don’t see any difference between what you’re saying here and what one would read on stormfront. It is this very same ideology you are espousing that forms the rationale for ethnic cleansing. Not that I’m saying that’s what you’re advocating per se.
    “We don’t even need them for cheap labor anymore. We have illegal Latinos for that.”
    Well I don’t even know any black people doing “cheap labor” anymore. Most I know are professional class. And why would you be advocating illegal Latinos to replace blacks? Have you ever seen what rural Mexico looks like? Some whites will always talk about how we don’t “need” these non-whites and such and such, but the fact is, if they weren’t needed, they wouldn’t be there in the first place. First off, whites countries don’t even reproduce at replacement level, thereby making it imperative to have to bring in non-white immigrants just to keep their rapidly-aging societies from having a labor shortage and to be able to support the social security benefits of whites retired and soon to be retired. The situation is even more accelerated in Europe with it’s even lower white birthrate than in America. So go ahead and cut off the spigot of non-white immigration and the white countries will eventually vanish off the face the planet based on their low birthrates alone. You ought to be thankful there are non-white workers coming in to make up the slack for your low-fertility rates. I guess next someone will be blaming blacks for white low fertility rate since you know, blacks are responsible for everything bad in the universe.
    “Yep, all White countries too. Blacks don’t want to leave the US. They have it way too good here, plus we will treat them way better than the Swedes will. I don’t think Scandinavians like Blacks too much. Most Europeans don’t, really. ”
    I would contest that. Just from my travels to Europe, I noticed a markedly higher rate of interracial marriage between blacks and Europeans than you see in the U.S. I remember reading that many black soldiers during WWII were surprised at how well they were treated by Europeans versus how they were treated in their home country. On top of that, look at how much support the Obamas have in Europe versus how much white support he has in the U.S. Most European whites I talked to were absolutely astounded that Obama didn’t have 90% of the vote and marked it up to American racism.
    “We treat Blacks well here because we are used to them and not freaked out by stereotypical behaviors and pathologies.”
    Like I said, just read the accounts of black soldiers during WWII and see how they were treated there versus here. It would probably be a mistake to speak of all European countries like one. Some are definitely more racist than others. I am referring primarily to N. Europe. I’ve been to Spain and sensed it was racist. Many other blacks have confirmed this. Didn’t feel any overt racism in Italy, though southern European are overall less tolerant than N. Europeans. I hear Eastern Europeans are quite xenophobic and Russia…no black man should even think of visiting there. But I’ve found in my experience N. Europe to be pretty racially tolerant overall.
    “Sure, Blacks are better off here or in other White countries than in any Black country on Earth. Blacks have it good here. They should be happy instead of bitching all the time.”
    Ugh…so much ignorance. Look, if I see an instance of racism, I’m going to freakin’ point it out. I’m not going to keep my mouth shut just because I might be “worse off” if I lived in Angola. Racism is racism and if it exists and it effects my life, I have a goddamned right to say something about it. Period. End of issue.
    I also tire of people who act like it’s some great gift to blacks from whites just to be here. Whites never gave us a damn thing. Everything we have in this country, we fought HARD for and payed for with out own blood, sweat and tears. I’ve literally cried when I read the accounts of black soldiers taking an oath to defend this country, then coming home wounded with limbs missing, fighting proudly for a nation that hated them and didn’t even want to grant them basic rights. I don’t even want to hear any bullsh*t about what whites have “done” for blacks. If it weren’t for blacks fighting hard for every ounce of what we have and fighting every inch of the way, we’d still have shackles around our ankles. So I don’t thank whites for anything in this context.
    I don’t have anything against modern day white people, nor do I sit around blaming whites for every ill in the black community. It’s my general believe that the problems that most groups face is internal. Blacks aren’t the primary cause of white people’s problems, and neither are white people the primary cause of black people’s problems. As a major believer in individual responsibility, that means also judging people as individuals first and foremost. Nothing you’ve said in this thread would lead me to believe that you judge people first as individuals, despite whatever you try to say.

  7. Look man, I’ve had enough of you, ok?
    I’m banning you. There’s no racism in the post. There’s no hate propaganda against Blacks, and I don’t hate Blacks or dislike them anyway.
    I reject the PC version of “racism” as “generalizing about groups instead of focusing on individuals.” And I ain’t the only one. LOTS of Whites, including leftwingers, have had it up to here with you all and your PC White-hating anti-racism and your perpetual whining.
    Bye, you’re banned.

    1. The way how you ended the debate with Speakeasy is telling. S/he made reasonable arguments and you couldn’t answer them in the end, so you resorted to force to silence the dissident the same way as it is done in totalitarian states. Dissidents just vanish…

    2. We ban lots of people on here. It’s pretty typical that most Blacks on this board get banned for violating the Comments Rules. However, speakeasy has returned under a new name, obeys the rules, and is one of our favorite commenters.
      There are Comments Rules on the board. One is that comments must be in a friendly manner. And people who call me racist, after a while, they just get banned. Banning and strict censorship is essential on most hot political sites. They can always go somewhere else. It’s not as if they are being denied freedom of speech.

  8. “white man’s burden” discourse constitutes racism as well. In fact, it was the dominant discourse on late 19th century and the theoretical justification for imperialism. I understand why someone can get offended more by this breed of racism than the usual redneck overt kind, with all its patronizing and treating of so-called racial inferiors as minors, rather than as just a nuisance you have to get rid of. I would take being a nuisance over being a minor all the way.

  9. we can not to believe in anymore republican and democrat parties in building our state economy.
    There is only corruption and manipulation and speculation in the financial sector by the leaders
    of the companies and the government can not control them.the only way is only independence

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