Why The Left Hates Me

From a comment from on the post, Black Crime and Intelligence: An Intrepid Investigation. The commenter is actually a somewhat famous Black American novelist, P. Lewis, or Phil Henderson, who I admit I have never heard of. He’s obviously extremely intelligent, and he writes very well:

“The Cuban example shows that Black genes are not destiny and there is a way forward, out of the cave of genetic determinism.”
This is a very strange site. You call yourself a leftist, and yet, you despise Gypsies without bothering to truly understand why; you obviously don’t like Jews; and concerning blacks, you actually believe in this eugenicist nonsense (which the Nazis also believed in).
If you were a genuine revolutionary you would have understood that oppressed people obviously have deeply ingrained inferiority complexes/slave mentalities. These slave mentalities express themselves in fucked-up behavioral patterns such as lying, stealing, homicide, alcoholism, etc.
And mind you, it isn’t just blacks or Gypsies: Albanians (who are white), Romanians (also white), so-called “white trash” of Eastern Kentucky and other nice parts of the USA, etc. exhibit these fucked-up behavioral patterns. But you haven’t done your homework and properly investigated the true source of these pathologies.
Instead, you assume it is because we non-whites are genetically inferior–the same bullshit that racist reactionaries within the American academy spout.
If you had bothered to do your homework you would have understood that “ghettos” are not the inventions of “blacks” or “Latinos” but the majority white society that confined them to these shitholes for various reasons, most of them being economic and racist.
If you had bothered to read genuine revolutionaries such as Fanon or Paulo Freiere or Cabral you would have understood this.
Instead, you chose to use the language of Professor Shockley and all the other fascist buffoons who came before him, many of whom were Nazi Germans, who concluded that “niggers” were genetically predisposed to criminal activity.

The part about Jews actually hurts my feelings because I actually like Jews, but people are always insisting that in fact I don’t and instead I really hate them instead. It’s confusing. I make no apologies about Gypsies. I definitely hate Gypsies, and for sure that makes me a racist. No problem. I’m an anti-Gypsy racist.
The rest is standard Leftist tripe.
Allow me to discuss my intellectual journey.
For almost my entire life, I believed this stuff that P. Lewis wrote above. I still want to believe it. After all, I am a Leftist! I really do want to believe the Leftist line on race. It’s a very nice point of view, their hearts are warm and kind, and they really do have the best interests of various groups in their hearts.
The race realists, on the other hand, are pretty much a nasty bunch of folks. They’re almost all on the Right, and typically they are on the Far Right. They are either out and out fascists, or, if they are conservatives, they are so far right that they are more libertarian than conservative.
A lot of them, actually probably 95% of them, are out and out nasty racists who just flat out don’t like anyone who isn’t White (though some make exceptions for Jews and Asians).
So, my heart really is with the anti-racist Left in some respects. They’re good people, and they are trying to do the right thing.
The race realists, on the other hand, are a bunch of bastards. Along with being rightwingers, of course almost all of them are thoroughly hostile to the Left in every way, shape and form.
Problem is that the Left is completely nuts on race. P. Lewis’ account above is just flat out wrong.
I spent over a decade researching this stuff, because I so desperately wanted to believe in it. I’ve probably read every book on race and IQ that had ever been written up until the mid 1990’s or so.
I tried every theory that I could possibly come up with to account for the data, and sadly I watched every one of my theories go down in flames. After I had used up every theory I could possibly think of, I gave it up and threw in towel and resigned myself to the position the race realists.
The Left has its heart in the right place, but on race, tragically, it’s selling us a bunch of lies. Feel-good lies, nice lies, kinder and gentler lies, sure. But lies nevertheless.
The Right are a bunch of bastards like they always are, but on race, I’m terrified that they might be correct. The data that they have accumulated to support theories which make me feel terrible is just massive. The truth on race is awful, but it’s probably true.
I’m not going to believe the Left’s lies on race anymore unless they can prove them with facts.
Although the Left’s lies on race are very powerful and have taken society by storm, at some point, their defensive walls may come down and the ugly and horrible truth about race may emerge.
My position is that the Left has to be prepared for the truth on race. If the race realists are right, why is this the end of the Left? So the races are not equal, so what? If anything, that means that the relative failures of various groups are not even their fault! How dare we punish them in any way, particularly economically, for their shortcomings! If anything, it’s an even better argument for socialism.
If some groups were falling behind and it was their own damn fault for being willful and irresponsible fools, we could morally say, “Screw you, you’re on your own.”
But what if it’s not even their fault? Then saying, “Screw you” is impossibly cruel. Some guy’s walking with a cane, you harangue him for using a cane, insist he doesn’t need it, take it away from him, smash it in front of his face, then throw him down in the gutter, kick him a few times, spit on him, and walk away. And as you walk away you call the cops to have him arrested for vagrancy.
This is what the Right wants to do to the ethnic groups that fall behind. How cruel can you get?
Marxism is a materialist science. If the race realists are empirically correct, then we socialists need to deal with that, and figure out a way to make a race realist socialism that respects everyone no matter their genetics.

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96 thoughts on “Why The Left Hates Me”

  1. Don’t you just love it when people tell you what you assume, what you know, what you’ve read, and whether or not you’ve done your homework on a subject–all because they don’t like your point of view?

  2. “And mind you, it isn’t just blacks or Gypsies: Albanians (who are white), Romanians(also white), so-called “white trash” of Eastern Kentucky and other nice parts of the USA, etc. exhibit these fucked-up behavioral patterns. But you haven’t done your homework and properly investigated the true source of these pathologies.”
    P. Lewis (or whoever he is) is the one that hasn’t done his homework. Romanians don’t cause problems. Lots of Gypsies (or Roma) live in Romania so there is a common misconception in Europe that Romanians are all Gypsies and so Gypsies get labeled “Romanian.” The real Romanians are white and in the country of Romania they have a big minority of Gypsies. Some Gypsies look white and others don’t.
    You could also argue that a lot of Albanians are mixed with Turks and therefore a lot of them are not white.

  3. Rob,
    You didn’t read or understand the memo.. you are clearly ignorant…. bad bad bad MAN
    being White and possessing a cock (that is permanently attached…) are things you should feel ashamed of.

  4. The mistake the Right makes in race matters is that it thinks racial characteristics are unchangable, cast in stone. And this is also the same reason that the Left are afraid to openly discuss race – they secretly believe the same thing.
    In fact, both sides are wrong. When Romans were industriously building civilization, Britons were living in hovels. Now, Italians are derided as lazy, and Britain’s industrious period has already flared and gone. Scandinavians were, for a period, the most warlike people on earth. Now they are passive peacemakers. Nothing is permanent.
    PS I am 1/8 gypsy – hope you don’t hate me! I promise I will only steal 1/8 of your car.

    1. I agree with a lot of what you say.
      One terrible idea, though. It’s certainly true that a “higher” race can sink to the depths. Any group can dive to the bottom of the pool. But can you ever imagine a state of affairs where, say, Aborigines (IQ 64 and little hope in sight), suddenly start acting like the Japanese?
      Get my drift. The high can sink as low as low gets. But can the more primitive groups reach the pinnacles of societal achievement?

  5. When Romans were industriously building civilization, Britons were living in hovels. Now, Italians are derided as lazy, and Britain’s industrious period has already flared and gone.
    Italians make pretty good sports cars, wine, fashion, etc… I wouldn’t call Northern Italians lazy…. as for the contrast between Britain and Rome from 2000 years ago to now.. ? Jeesh…. well if all government aid was cut off to Black people in the US and they formed their own society and mass converted to the principals of Confucianism.. gave them 2000 and we returned.. I tend to believe you would have an orderly, organized, and very civil society. In the meantime we have to live in the now.

  6. Sorry.. in my post above.. “gave them 2000 and we returned.. ” should read gave them 2000 years and we returned in the future…

  7. I should say when referring to Blacks in the US converting to Confucianism.. I would be referring to the most hard core types that live in urban ghettos…
    There are Black people who are highly functional…
    It’s the dudes that make the core of places like Detroit, Oakland, Newark, etc.. that totally freak out normal society and seem intractable in their ways.

    1. Alpha Unit is a Black female, and she’s at least as good, if not better, of a person, than the vast majority of the Whites I know.
      I finally came around to race realism after living in a poor White town for 16 years and then moving to a poor Hispanic town. The only thing different about the two places was the ethnicities of the inhabitants. While the Whites were not exactly angelic, the Hispanics were so drastically worse there was no comparison. It was like there were 3-4 X more bad people, and the existing bad Hispanics were about 3-4 X worse than your average bad White in White Town.
      Of course, there are tons of really cool Hispanics in my town. The more integrated, assimilated, middle class or whatever you want to call it, the better. There are tons of Hispanics in that town who have nothing to do with the Hispanic Underclass.
      Then there is the Hispanic Underclass. I had one gang associate practically living at my place for around a year or so, when he wasn’t at his girlfriend’s. I spent over a year, day in and day out, trying to civilize this human being. I would have had better luck training a dog or a horse. The guy was for all intents and purposes uncivilizabale and frankly did not even wish to act civilized. There is also a Black woman there who is somewhat Ghetto. I know her and I have been trying to train her to at least at human as long as she is in my apartment. This effort was also completely wasted.
      I conclude a lot of these folks are simply a lost cause. They see no value in what you and I deem civilized behavior and I suspect that they may even detest it. It’s not so much that they are dumb*, but instead, it’s like they just flat out have lower morals. And when people have deeply ingrained low morals, I really wonder what the Hell you can even do about them.
      *I’ve known plenty of not very smart people who had superb morals and tried very hard to be good people, so I’m not sure dumb = bad.

  8. Robert, I ultimately agree with you that racism is a wrong policy so much so that I am going to go ahead and say it may be one of the largest contributors to the slowing of political and intellectual advancement in the history of man.
    I however, personally reject the concept that different races are limited in cognition solely on an a prioristic, praxeological level. Nevertheless as you said, whether or not science proves conclusively that one race is more intelligent than another in the future, do build a universal code of ethics, we have to disregard the findings of science.
    Your final conclusion however is right on cue with the Leftists and ultimately hurts your credibility: Socialism. Look past the race issue and admit to yourself that human beings are not equal in MANY ways. For this reason alone socialism has to be thrown out the door as a viable economic plan for sustaining such complex societies as the one we live in and those to come.

  9. What is the “Cuban example” the original poster is talking about? Last I heard blacks were the lowest class in Cuba just like everywhere else, and had formed various political organizations to counteract the supposed racism of the Castro regime.

    1. Considering that they are 63% of the population and Cuba has about the lowest violent crime rate in the region, I’d say Cuban Blacks are behaving pretty well. Not only that, but Havana is probably the safest big city in the region. In addition, the horrible slums that characterize almost every single Latin American nation are nonexistent.
      Every Black has enough food to eat, a job, medical care, education, decent housing, a safe life free of crime. Considering what Blacks have to put up with elsewhere, mostly from their own kind, Cuban Blacks are doing all right.
      Sure, there’s racism in Cuba, but it was way, way, way worse under Batista. And the Cuban exiles are for the most part virulent anti-Black racists. Most Cubans now are Black, and they don’t want those racist White Cuban exiles come back.

    2. Many of the Colored Races can only act civilized when placed under the dominion of a TOTALITARIAN STATE.
      This is what contemporary Cuba is, and it is administered mostly by White Spaniards by the way.
      One White slave owner in the South could control literally hundreds of Black Slaves with his one gun, and also get them to act somewhat civilized.
      Take away that ‘Bull Conner’ and you have full on contemporary Detroit.
      Lets take a look at another example: Iraq! President Hussein (pbuh) had to use a cruel iron heel to keep the brown people in line. Once they were ‘freed’ by the Zionist Occupied Government, then all hell broke lose as their True Racial Nature was allowed to be expressed since a Totalitarian government was not there to keep them in line.

    3. RL:”Most Cubans now are Black, and they don’t want those racist White Cuban exiles come back.”
      The fact that “most Cubans are now Black” and/or extensively mixed is a great example of how nations degenerate under totalitarian Jewish-Communism.
      Under the Jewish-Communist system in Cuba, the Blacks, part-Blacks, or various other inferior crossbreeds now compose the majority of the population. That moronic, degenerate, crude, and hyperdependent racially-mixed mass is ruled over by a totalitarian plutocratic elite composed entirely of the upper-class/upper-middle class who are all members of the Communist party, and many of those people are ethnically Jewish (either fully or partially). Also, the ruling class of course lives almost entirely removed from the degenerate and moronic racially-mixed masses (unless they are around to give orders), not wanting to soil their blood with the genes of the Black/part-Black inferiors which compose most of Cuba’s population.
      Thus the Jewish-Communist elites of Cuba rule over the racially/ethnically-mixed moronic mass of near-slaves, incompetents, idiots, parasites, and so on just as the Jewish-Communists desire: a bunch of willing stupid slaves and confused racially-mixed people with absolutely no ethnic/racial solidarity amongst themselves who will thus never question the Judeocommunist authority of the upper-Communist classes.
      Face the facts: far from being a “Communist Utopia,” Cuba is a Jewish-Communist plutocracy.
      However, it seems that totalitarian systems might actually be the best system for very ethnically/racially-mixed nations like Cuba, mainly because they are so degenerate that they can only be held together with an iron fist.

    4. HH:”This is what contemporary Cuba is, and it is administered mostly by White Spaniards by the way.”
      Yes, some of them are White Spaniards, but most are not White even though they may have come from Spain: instead, they are Jews. Many ethnic Jews (Sephardim) came over to the New World post-1492/1497 trying to pose as ‘Spaniards’ and/or ‘Portuguese’ because all of them that refused to convert to Catholicism were totally expelled from Spain and Portugal in 1492/1497.
      As I stated in the above comment, Cuba is a Jewish-Communist totalitarian dictatorship wherein a Jewish-Communist elite rules over the racially-mixed masses with an iron fist.
      As I said, some of them are White Spaniards, but the Jews have unfortunately intermarried with White Spaniards all over Latin America to such an extent that the two groups are often nearly inseparable.

  10. “The high can sink as low as low gets. But can the more primitive groups reach the pinnacles of societal achievement?”
    But the British WERE primitive at one point. We all were.
    Anyway, do you think eugenics is a solution? Contemporary morals see it as absolutely wrong. But it could raise groups in a couple of generations. The left are against it because of Hitler (but then again eugenics did OK for the Jews) and because it admits that groups have different levels of ability. The right dislikes the idea because they prefer a world which a few groups dominate the rest.

    1. The Brits were primitive, it is true. The homicide rate in England in the 1300’s was full 50 TIMES higher than it is today, only 700 years later. I doubt if their genes have changed all that much.
      I really worry about groups like Africans (IQ 67), Aborigines (IQ 64), etc. Exactly how is it that these groups are supposed to be able to function in a modernized society with those abysmally low IQ’s.
      I see nothing whatsoever wrong with eugenics practiced by willing and voluntary individuals. Human evolution is necessarily eugenic anyway. For instance, I have an article on here that suggests that US Blacks have been practicing eugenics for the entire 20th century since they seem to be preferentially selecting for more progressive phenotypes which apparently also have higher IQ’s. That’s great! I’m all for it!
      As far as state-sponsored eugenics, there is no market for it. I really think that the African IQ needs to be raised though. It’s almost a public health emergency that their IQ’s are that low. Aborigines are a tiny group and there are not that many pure bloods left anyway. Further, they appear to be dying out (high death rate). Papuans, Bushmen and Pygmies also appear to have very low IQ’s, but there seems to be hardly any of these people left anyway, so it’s no big deal.
      The rest of the groups on Earth have decent enough IQ’s, though the IQ’s in the Caribbean (Blacks once again) are ridiculously low. The IQ’s of US Blacks are actually quite adequate.
      Your last two sentences are excellent.
      Where are you from, Lucky? You’re one of my smarter commenters.

  11. Dear Robert
    First of all, Cuba is 63% black only if you use the crazy American definition of black and define as black anyone with some African ancestry. Cuba is more like Brazil in that the genetic contribution of whites is over 50%, even though the percentage of pure whites is much lower.
    Second, Hispanics in the US are not only racially but also culturally different from American whites. Changing the essential behavior of a person after the age of 15 is very difficult, and that is valid for all races. You probably would not have had any more success with a white low-life. The Salvation Army does not exactly have an impressive record in changing low-lifes, white or non-white, into more civilized people.
    Third, I agree with you that it is quite possible to be a race realist and a leftist at the same time. I’m also a race realist but I hate, loathe and detest the Republican Party, which has no higher aim than to make the rich richer and to keep the US far more powerful than any other country.
    Cheers. James

    1. No, Cuba is 63% Black and mulatto. 11% Black and 52% mulatto. It is 37% White. It was supposedly 80% White in 1959, but most of the Whites are in Cuba now.
      I hate to say this, but there are not that many Whites who I felt I HAD to civilize! There is one White guy who lives near me and he is as wiggered out as anyone else around there. I quickly let him know that he could only borrow money from me if he returned it at some point in the not too distant future. He kept trying to spit in my trashcan like all these animals do but I forbade him to do that, and now he obediently spits in my sink.
      It seems to me that a lot of my White friends and I were fucked up idiots too when we were young. We were forcefully and often violently schooled in proper behavior. Most of us moved right along into basic civilized behavior. My White friends mostly quit stealing at age 15. The Hispanics are still doing it at age 22 and worse they pretty much mug people (roll drunks).
      It’s simply a fact. Compare a poor White neighborhood to a poor Hispanic neighborhood. Both are poor. There will be about 3-4 X as many Hispanics acting bad, and the ones that act bad, will act about 3-4 X worse than the bad acting Whites.
      I don’t even want to think about a poor Black neighborhood. I would imagine that there would be about 8X as many bad actors as in the poor White area, and the average bad Black would act about 8X worse than the average bad White.
      In my neighborhood, pretty much the worst actors are the Blacks. There is disgusting pimps in my area. 100% of these slimy animals are Black. There is horrible things called streetwalkers in my area. About 90% of them are Black women. You never see an Hispanic woman walking the streets. It’s like they just don’t do that. I know some of these Black women who apparently “ho” either out of their apartments or in front of the liquor store. I wager that they think that this is an appropriate and acceptable thing to do! To sell your ass for sex! WTH??
      I lived in that White town for 16 yrs. There were no White streetwalkers there. I never heard of a White woman ho’ing out her apartment. It was just not done.
      If there are differences between the races, I would say, globally, that one of the most glaring differences is MORALS and VALUES. Screw IQ. Who cares how smart someone is?
      Take a low income population. Divide it into Blacks, Hispanics and Whites. Why do the Whites seem to have the best values, then the Hispanics and last of all the Blacks? Keeping income constant too.
      This is what drives Whites insane. The values, or lack of them, of so many minorities.

  12. Racial issues have become a form of religion in which facts that don’t conform to doctrines are dismissed as irrelevant, the way Creationists dismiss fossil dating techniques.
    While web-searching for data relevant to this discussion, I found a site pointing out AfAm males 16-25 are 1% of the US population and commit 52% of homicides. However, since they were a racist site proposing a separatist agenda, they didn’t look any farther than that. (It’s also why I won’t link them.) I bet you could add some more predictors like growing up in a 90% minority impoverished neighborhood and having a never- or only briefly-married mother, and something like a 0.25% of the population commits almost half the homicides.
    And if we want to SOLVE the problem, separatism is exactly the wrong way to do it. Something like 80% of black children live in virtually-all-black neighborhoods where pathological values reinforce each other’s negative behaviors. College-educated black men move out of such places as soon as they can, creating a dearth of role models.

    1. Yes, I know about figures like that. They make me so sick to my stomach that I usually don’t even discuss them on the blog. What am I supposed to say about it? I dump a figure like that out there and the White Nationalists swarm the blog and say, “See! We need a White state!”
      I will tell you one thing. I am an integrationist! Segregation not only causes tons of Black crime, it’s out and out deadly for Blacks themselves. Segregation kills Blacks. There’s nothing worse for Blacks than a Black neighborhood. Also, when Blacks are thinly spread out, critical masses that create ghetto cultures that drive everyone down to the bottom are prevented from taking hold. In my town, Blacks are 4%, and many are somewhat ghetto. Nevertheless, they really cause few problems because they don’t have any numbers and Black ghetto culture never really takes hold. Instead, the Blacks seem to compete with and be inspired by the more positive role models around them that the Hispanics and Whites prevent. It’s like it stimulates them to compete and try to best the Hispanics and Whites. I know Black families near me who I am convinced that if they lived in the ghetto, they would be nuked. But in my hood, they do ok. One girl in an honor roll student, plays in the band, has lots of White friends. Others are very religious. Another is going to trade school. The town is 4% Black and as I said,they are sort of ghetto. They cause some problems, but they don’t cause mayhem like they would if they were, say, 70%.
      The collapse of the Black family must be discussed. In 1960, 80% of Black kids were being raised by a married couple of the equivalent. Now it’s almost reversed. 70% of Blacks are born to single Moms. No way is that healthy.
      There are different types of sociopathy. One type is societally generated, not genetically generated. It is this type, often caused by boys being raised by single Moms, that is creating vast armies of sociopathic young Black and Brown males in our cities.
      I don’t know what to do about it, but I swear to God, I think that you should need to have a license to be a parent. A *revocable* license.

    2. RL:“Segregation not only causes tons of Black crime, it’s out and out deadly for Blacks themselves. Segregation kills Blacks. There’s nothing worse for Blacks than a Black neighborhood.”
      If the Black community cannot stand up alone and independently on its own two feet and must perpetually use other groups (especially Whites) as a constant crutch, then frankly they shouldn’t be allowed to stand up at all because their racial/ethnic communal legs are apparently not strong enough to do so.
      I am all for Black self/community sufficiency, increasing Black schooling, bettering Black families, and so forth, but there comes a time when we must put our foot down and say enough is enough. Either stand on your own two feet without our constant assistance or else…
      Too much pity in the past few centuries in many White countries has allowed far too many sociocultural degenerates, parasites, criminals, rip-off artists, and so forth to latch on to Whites and thrive in our midst, most especially Jews and Blacks (among other groups). Jews seek endless amounts of pity with their incessant whining about medieval expulsions and pogroms along with The Hollyco$t of course, whilst at the same time Blacks worldwide harp on and on about how they should be forever pitied because they were once commonly enslaved. FUCK THEM – pity is an execrable crime against nature and is antithetical to the terrestrial life and the healthy natural order. Pity, in all of its variations, must be forever set aside so that humanity can continue to move forward. The weak and the sick and the degenerate should never be pitied or assisted or given a ‘helping hand’ – instead the strong and the powerful and the healthy should just do them a favor and stomp them out of existence and thus put them out of their pathetic misery.

      Nietzsche on the uselessness, destructiveness, and nihilism of pity:

      “Christianity [WP:which was invented by JEWS: AKA Judeo-Christianity] is called the religion of pity. Pity stands opposed to the tonic emotions which heighten out vitality: it has a depressing effect. We are deprived of strength when we feel pity. That loss of strength which suffering as such inflicts on life is still further increased and multiplied by pity. Pity makes suffering contagious. Under certain circumstances, it may engender a total loss of life and vitality out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (as in the case of the death of the Nazarene). That is the first consideration, but there is a more important one.
      Suppose we measure pity by the value of the reactions it usually produces; then its perilous nature appears in an even brighter light. Quite in general, pity crosses the law of development, which is the law of selection. It preserves what is ripe for destruction; it defends those who have been disinherited and condemned by life; and by the abundance of the failures of all kinds which it keeps alive, it gives life itself a gloomy and questionable aspect.
      Some have dared to call pity a virtue (in every noble ethic it is considered a weakness); and as if this were not enough, it has been made the virtue, the basis and source of all virtues. To be sure—and one should always keep this in mind—this was done by a philosophy that was nihilistic and had inscribed the negation of life upon its shield. Schopenhauer was consistent enough: pity negates life and renders it more deserving of negation.
      Pity is the practice of nihilism. To repeat: this depressive and contagious instinct crosses those instincts which aim at the preservation of life and at the enhancement of its value. It multiplies misery and conserves all that is miserable, and is thus a prime instrument of the advancement of decadence: pity persuades men to nothingness!” – http://dailynietzsche.blogspot.com/2008/06/nietzsche-on-pity.html

    3. You are saying that blacks act like children when they are around other blacks so we must spread them out so they can be around more adults (white people). That doesn’t say much for blacks.
      The problem with the argument is that once a couple blacks (even the good black citizens) get a foothold in a new community more black people follow them. So in a few years a community that was once 5% black will be 10% and the crime and ghetto life style will increase (Although this may not be the case in small rural towns).
      Your logic has been applied to section 8 housing. Section 8 is now used to spread out the poverty in order to decentralized and desegregate poverty (black people). Public housing is now in a community near you. The result has been that the crime, drugs, and other problems associated with the “inner city” have just followed these people to their new communities.

  13. “Take a low income population. Divide it into Blacks, Hispanics and Whites. Why do the Whites seem to have the best values, then the Hispanics and last of all the Blacks? Keeping income constant too.”
    Can you explain Eastern Kentucky, then, with its large poor white dysfunctional population?
    And what’s with this “slimy animals” shit?

    1. A pimp is a slimy animal that deserves to be shot on sight. It’s downright sickening that the overwhelming majority of pimps in the US are Black. Black culture cheers on, praises and promotes the most evil profession known to mankind.
      I’ve never been to Appalachia. But I think maybe you are mistaken. West Virginia, which you seem to continuously refer to, has an extremely low crime rate, and I understand it is one of the poorest states in the US. It’s also overwhelmingly White.
      Look, I never believed any of this stuff until I lived it. I always thought this stuff was all about money. It’s not about money. I’d rather live in a poor White town than a poor Hispanic town any day, holding income constant. Once again holding income constant, I don’t even want to think about living in a poor Black town.
      Most decent Whites don’t give a flying fuck about the color of your skin, the size of you lips, the texture of your hair, your facial structure or this or that. Honestly, IQ is not that much of an issue either. If Blacks had a 1 StD gap but were sweet as pie, most decent people wouldn’t care.
      The ugly truth is that way too many Black people just flat out act bad. Same with Hispanics. And it can’t be explained by income. I know that racism doesn’t cause moral collapse. Since it makes me sick to think that their genes make them this way (although it’s possible), I’m going to say it’s their own damn fault.
      Blacks and Hispanics have serious moral deficiencies that are probably a result of their own willful lack of moral fiber, and this is in large part why they are so disliked.
      If that sounds like Bill Cosby, so be it.
      PS. I can’t speak of Appalachia, I’ve lived in rural White towns in the Sierra Nevada in California that are said to resemble the Ozarks. There’s speed everywhere, tons of drinking, lots of “White trash”, the girls are all knocked up at 18, and probably half of them go on welfare.
      Obviously that’s not ideal, but it’s a universe better than the Hispanic Underclass, and the Black Underclass, I don’t even want to think about it.

  14. “Can you explain Eastern Kentucky, then, with its large poor white dysfunctional population?”
    Easy, they are the decendents of Picts, a pre indo-european race (possibly full of neandertal blood) who have always caused trouble.
    The Romans built two walls to keep them out of (what is now) England and the English,Scots and Irish have until recently always been pained by them.
    Robert, “If the race realists are empirically correct, then we socialists need to deal with that, and figure out a way to make a race realist socialism that respects everyone no matter their genetics.”
    As a Socialist surely the answer is simple, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
    Anyway, half joking aside, when will Yanks grow up about race?

  15. The Left hates you because you are a race-realist/racialist.
    It doesn’t even matter to leftists-liberals-‘progressives’ if you are an ‘anti-racist’ who is also a race-realist/racialist. If you talk frankly and honestly about issues related to race/ethnicity, The Left will always hate you. If you want to protect and preserve the White race and White racial territory forever and are not a self-hating White suicidalist who wants to see the White race go semi-extinct through its swamping by billions of non-Whites, then The Left will never consider you an ally.
    In many nations (especially in the USA, the UK, Brazil, France, Russia, etc) The [so-called] Left is mostly dominated by the international faux-Leftist/fake-Marxist Judeoplutocracy who wants to wipe out the Northern European branch of the White race and/or miscegenate it out of existence via mass non-White immigration so that they can gain near-full control countries that formerly contained a Northern European White majority; by wiping out and/or miscegenating the majority of Northern European Whites out of existence The Jewish Faux-Left seeks to rule those degenerate and ‘moronized’ racially/ethnically mixed (formerly White) nations totally unopposed and utterly control those nations with a Judeototalitarian fist. You must understand that Northern European Whites are the foremost racial/ethnic competitors of Jewry in a Darwinistic sense in terms of the neverending struggle for earthly resources, and that is why they seek to wipe us out…so that the organized Jewish plutocracy can rule entirely unopposed and thus turn everyone in to their cowering underlings who serve and show blind obedience toward a Judeoplutocratic/hyperparasitic ethnically Jewish rootless cosmopolitan elite.
    That’s all there is to it.

  16. Re: segregation causing black crime. In the 19th century, was black crime (compared to white crime) such an issue? I would suspect not.
    When US blacks gained full freedom in the 20th century it put them in the position of being technically free, but unable to progress because they were starting from a low social position. This probably caused a great deal of resentment and covetousness. Perhaps Robert, as a trust-funder, you don’t appreciate the economic causes of pathological behaviour as much as you should.
    Before ‘freedom’ there was a few hundred years of strict slavery, and after that it was a bit like those catholic schoolgirls who rebel and become a little whore-ish. African blacks are far less criminally inclined than African-Americans. It’s no surprise that the first ‘black’ president is more african than (slave-descended) african-american.

    1. Actually the argument put forward by the segregationists was that blacks were always wild and could not be civilized. They say it has always been their natures to act like wild animals. The segregationists say that segregation was needed to keep the blacks in line and if you end segregation the blacks will go on a rampage.
      I disagree about African blacks being far less criminally inclined than African-Americans. That may be your experience in the US because we have a small number of black Africans and most of them come for school so they are the best of the best.
      However, go to Europe and you will see that Africans act like animals. Hell, go to Africa and you will see Africans acting like animals.
      Also your argument falls apart in regard to Haitians in the US. In Florida the Haitians act worse than the African-Americans! Haitians have been free for over 200 years! That is a long time to “rebel” and act “whore-ish” as you like to say.

    2. Well, I never did. I thought it was a horrible thing. Now I’m not so sure. I do support getting rid of the equal housing act though.

    3. “However, go to Europe and you will see that Africans act like animals. Hell, go to Africa and you will see Africans acting like animals.”
      I live in Europe. UK actually. West Indian blacks often try to act like African-American gangsters. But West Indian UK blacks family structures are a little stronger than African-Americans. African blacks are noticeably more sober and industrious than West Indians, perhaps even more so than native whites.

    4. “African blacks are noticeably more sober and industrious than West Indians, perhaps even more so than native whites.”
      Yes, but what quality immigrant are you getting from Africa in the UK? Is it the smart ones like we get in the US? In the UK the number of Africans is only like 1 or 2 percent of the population. I know in France it is higher and they are having lots of trouble with their Africans. The same goes for the rest of continental Europe.

    5. “Yes, but what quality immigrant are you getting from Africa in the UK?”
      Probably a bit better than those coming into France. French colonial paternalism, and its former colonies acceptance of that paternalism, means that Africans coming to France see it as a free lunch. Whereas Africans see Britain as a place to make something of themselves. These are are generalisations and simplifications. Somalis don’t fit this industrious pattern for example.

  17. I wonder why the Left doesn’t support aborting black fetuses or sterilization of Negroes to help reduce crime and poverty in America?

    1. Why stop with abortion and sterilization? What would you do with all those angry, sterilized blacks who would remain?

    2. The left does support abortion, just not minority only abortion.
      If you look at abortion statistics, a majority of these clinics are located near inner city ghettoes and blacks are overrepresented (w.r.t their population %) in abortion recipients.
      http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/race.asp
      Abortion does help to an extent in reducing crime as the aborted black fetuses would have grown up in the ghettoes anyway and turned to crime as a way of life.

    3. I know in my state of Michigan (which isn’t listed in that link) black people make up about 15% of the population but get over 40% of the abortions.

  18. To PLewis:
    Can you explain Eastern Kentucky, then, with its large poor white dysfunctional population?
    Essentially West Virginia has the same demographics as Eastern Kentucky. Let’s look as some statistics:
    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/wvcrime.htm
    “The table below provides the rank of each State’s reported rate of crime as compared to the 50 States and the District of Columbia. 1 = the highest reported crime rate and 51 = the lowest. ”
    “For that year the State of West Virginia had a total Crime Index of 2,602.8 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 47th highest total Crime Index. ”
    So West Virginia’s crime levels are 47th in the nation, better than Connecticut: “For that year the State of Connecticut had a total Crime Index of 3,232.7 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 36th highest total Crime Index.” and Massachusetts: For that year the State of Massachusetts had a total Crime Index of 3,026.1 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 42nd highest total Crime Index.
    So that’s interesting, so called dysfunctional West Virginia has a lower crime rate than Connecticut or Massachusetts.

  19. “And if we want to SOLVE the problem, separatism is exactly the wrong way to do it”… “College-educated black men move out of such places as soon as they can, creating a dearth of role models.”
    How is this NOT an argument for separatism? If the college-educated black men were forced to move back into the all-black neighborhoods, they would be there among their own to perform their natural and necessary function of being pillars of the community, providing visible role models and holding high expectations for behavior.
    Desegregation and the Equal Housing Act, while great for the Talented Tenth who got to abandon their coracial undesirables and live the High Life among affluent Whites, was an unmitigated disaster for the rest of the Black community, which was deprived of its aristrocrats, its natural leaders and standard setters.

  20. So I went to that guy’s Myspace. Why do all these Blacks want to live in White countries? He says he wants to live in Montreal or Berlin.

  21. “Would you want to live among your coracial undesirables?”
    Regardless, if Whites hadn’t built desirable areas and then let them in, the Talented Tenth would have no choice in the matter – and because they WERE among them, their own undesirables would be less sociopathic, as the Talented Tenth’s enforcement of standards of behavior would keep them in check. They OWE it to their race, just as White aristocrats owe it to White proles.

    1. Yes, ideally people would feel this way. But I think people are just too self-interested by nature.
      It reminds me of a line from a song: “Can humans do what prophets say?”

  22. “Yes, ideally people would feel this way. But I think people are just too self-interested by nature.
    It reminds me of a line from a song: “Can humans do what prophets say?”
    Alpha, the point I’m trying to make is that I don’t CARE how people feeeeeel or what they waaaaannnnt.
    Reality is what it is.
    If not for Whites’ misplaced sympathies towards Black aristocrats that they enacted deseg and the Equal Housing act, thus allowing talented blacks to escape their natural place as leaders in Black communities, those Blacks would have had no choice but to do what only they can — which is maintain order in Black neighborhoods. Which they would do so if they coudn’t escape, because they’d have to live with the chaos if they didn’t. Which the proles benefit from the aristocrats’ self-interested imposition of order, and without that imposed order, degenerate to as low as they can get.
    Which means more crime for all the rest of us.
    So sympathy for the Talented Tenth translates to vastly more people suffering. If we repealed deseg and Equal Housing laws, the ghetto boys would have their role models and things would improve for the rest of us. So the only real question here is, why should the Talented Tenth be more worthy of sympathy than the ghetto Blacks and all the rest of us?
    .

    1. B, let’s just lay it flat out, ok? You’re a segregationist. You oppose the Housing Rights Act and I guess the Civil Rights Act. So you’re opposed to integration.
      Somehow you are a using a twisted argument here that is typical of segregationists. Blacks who integrate are traitors to the Black community and need to go back and resegregate themselves with their own kind. You really don’t care about Blacks all that much. You care about Whites. You object to integration because it means Blacks moving in to White communities.
      According to you, integration was a disaster because the best Blacks left, leaving the 90% to fester. Yet only about 30% of Blacks live in what we might call an Underclass ghetto. Most Black folks are pretty much spread out nowadays.
      No sane Black person of means wants to go back and live in the ghetto. No person with any sense wants to live in a place like that.
      Segregation is not only a disaster for Blacks. It kills Blacks, in part due to poor medical care. Medical care is lousy in the ghetto, Blacks get diseases that don’t get treated well, they sicken and die before their time. In addition, segregation harms Blacks because when you pile all those Blacks together, Black “culture” = ghetto, takes over in many cases.
      This results in a situation where Blacks “aspire” to what I and many Whites consider the bottom of the barrel. Like crabs in a barrel, they all pull each other down to the bottom.
      The result is a hugely magnified Black crime, many times higher than the Black crime rate in a lightly integrated community. So Blacks in ghettos commit an insane amount of crime. This harms a lot of Blacks who are just innocent victims. In addition, it seriously harms Whites and other non-Blacks too, because the what happens in the ghetto does not stay in the ghetto.
      It migrates out to surrounding areas. The Black crime epidemic of the ghetto is like a metastasizing cancer that spreads out to non-Blacks. This results in lots of Whites getting hurt, killed, beaten, robbed, and tons of White women getting raped.

  23. It matters what people want because that’s what people tend to do, unless someone a lot more powerful can stop them.

  24. “The Black crime epidemic of the ghetto is like a metastasizing cancer that spreads out to non-Blacks. This results in lots of Whites getting hurt, killed, beaten, robbed, and tons of White women getting raped.”
    You’re assuming that black criminality requires a critical mass, that is, it takes a sufficient quantity of blacks in close enough quarters for the “atom bomb” of black sociopathy to explode. You’re suggesting that if you spread them all thinly enough to be below threshold concentration, they’ll lose their sociopathy.
    You point out as evidence that blacks who live in white areas demonstrate fewer criminal tendencies.
    But where is your proof that spreading out the black underclass will civilize them? There is none yet. It’s still just a hypothesis unless tried.
    Right now it is at least as plausible that the civilized blacks in white areas are IN white areas because those blacks are already in possession of personality traits that make them civilizable — motivation to compete in a law abiding way, willingness to work, willingness to follow rules, and IQ high enough to foresee negative consequences of bad behavior and avoid them.
    So it may well be, the underclass is the underclass because they are manifesting underclass traits — inability to forego immediate gratification, unwillingness to be law abiding, and most of all, dislike for white people, which translates to dislike for “acting white” (civilized). And there is vanishing little evidence that personality traits can be changed past toddlerhood.
    I’d be willing to allow your experiment to be tried BUT for the reality that the left has never admitted failure about any of their prior disastrous social engineering projects and only keeps retrying that which is clearly not working.
    So if your experiment is a failure and diluting the blacks into white areas does NOT decrease their criminality, only spreads it, then I’m stuck with criminals in my neighborhood and there’s nowhere for ME to escape to. Sorry. You’re right. I care more for my own family than the black underclass.
    The ONLY people on earth who, because they are black themselves, so can gain underclass blacks’ respect, can civilize the black underclass is their own black aristocrats.
    Those of you who say, it’s hopeless and will never change, to people like me that want the deseg laws repealled, I disagree.
    Anybody who trades stocks knows:
    Trends continue. And continue. And continue long after people start saying, “This can’t continue.”
    And then the trend CHANGES. Generally exactly at the time when most everybody says, “Okay, it’ll NEVER change.”
    “It matters what people want because that’s what people tend to do, unless someone a lot more powerful can stop them”

    1. “And there is vanishing little evidence that personality traits can be changed past toddlerhood.”
      This much is absolutely incorrect. Many of the White kids I grew up with were delinquents until age 15 or so, then they knocked it off. With Hispanics, it’s similar but often lasts longer, maybe until age 23 or so. After they mature out of it, they are often quite different people. They often knock off the crime altogether for one thing. They develop a good work ethic, get off dope, all sorts of stuff.

    2. My first point is that these people that move into places like PG county Maryland and Southfield, MI are supposed to be middle class people that don’t have the problems the ghetto underclass has. So if they are upstanding people shouldn’t they be immune to the problems of clustering blacks together? A city of only middle and upper-middle class black people shouldn’t have “ghetto” problems right?
      My second point is that a community that only has a small amount of black people (say 5%) will attracted more and more black people over time. So sooner or later that community will have a substantial number of black people and your idea of spreading out the blacks will be impossible because they (like all races) like to be around their own kind.
      This may not be the case in your small community because it is rural (I think it is rural, correct me if I’m wrong) and far way from major black urban concentrations but in major metropolitan areas this migration pattern is the case.

    3. Even Black middle class areas have problems, but it’s not the same as Detroit. In particular, there is often a lot of property crime. It’s not true though that Ladera Heights is the same as Watts.
      Ladera Heights and Baldwin Hills are middle class Black areas of LA that are so nice that while at one point, they were all Black, now they are 50% White as many Whites have moved in. However, there is a fair amount of property crime. Not much violent crime though.
      My argument is that lots of Blacks together tends to result in “Black culture.” My argument is that that’s not such a good thing. My area is not rural; it is a city of 50,000. However, it is a city in a rural farming area of California.
      Even the Section 8 program is having some success. The ghetto residents who move out of the ghetto do act somewhat better, though not dramatically better.

    4. Ladera Heights and Baldwin Hills are very small and I would argue they are not middle class but upper class.
      I’m talking about big middle class areas. Southfield, MI has like 70,000 people. It is middle and working class. Middle class people should be smart enough to reject the ghetto black culture, no?

    5. Ladera Heights is not really upper class. I knew schoolteachers who lived there. It varies. Middle class to upper middle class.
      Even Ladera Heights has problems. I taught school in Watts one time. ONE time. In the lunch room there were teachers in there, one White guy and two Black women. The Black teachers lived in Ladera Heights and so did the White guy. After we discussed the racial aspect, I said, “That’s an upper socioeconomic area, is it not?”
      The White guy said cynically, “Upper socioeconomic, yes. Upper sociobehavioral, no.” The Black teachers gave him this interesting look that was hard to describe, like he had uttered an unmentionable truth.
      LH and BH are right next to South Central LA. My understanding is that a lot of the S Central thugs commute up into LH and BH for the easy pickings (lots of stuff to steal). They can blend right in there because the thugs are Black and the community is heavily Black.
      I believe LH and BH are served by Crenshaw High School. I taught there too. Not that great, but it sure ain’t Watts.

    6. “LH and BH are right next to South Central LA. My understanding is that a lot of the S Central thugs commute up into LH and BH for the easy pickings (lots of stuff to steal). They can blend right in there because the thugs are Black and the community is heavily Black.”
      If LH and BH are having such problems with thugs they should incorporate and create their own police departments.
      You should be able to tell the difference between a thug from the ghetto and a black resident of LH or BH. Thugs wear over sized shirts and hats to the side with their pants sagged down. They also usually have big gold chains (or bigger fake gold chains). I would hope that the local black children don’t dress like that too but I’m not going to hold my breath.

  25. “The ONLY people on earth, who, because they are black themselves, so can gain underclass blacks’ respect, can civilize the black underclass is their own black aristocrats.”
    You don’t know much about black people, do you?
    Underclass black people can be quite contemptuous of well-off blacks–and quite manipulative of them. The same way poor people of almost any other group can resent the wealthy among them.

    1. In terms of “Black aristocrats” or the “Black upper-class,” many of them of course have a lot of White and/or Jewish blood.
      Just look at WEB Du Bois – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WEB_Du_Bois_1946.jpg – and other elite Blacks like Booker T. Washington – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BookerTWashington-Cheynes.LOC.jpg – many of them aren’t very Black at all aside from the darkish skin tone and some other superficial Black features that remain. Many elite so-called ‘Blacks’ also often grow up or live in very White (non-Black) areas and have nothing to do whatsoever with the poorer, stupider, and crime-prone pure Blacks – hence their elite status.
      Henry Louis Gates is another good example of this phenomenon; to quote Gates:

      Consider the story of Harvard University’s Henry Louis Gates, Jr., an African American, who was both shocked and bemused to learn that his DNA on his mother’s side did not track back to the Yoruba people as he had long thought. The Yoruba have a rich mythology and are believed to have been among the most culturally sophisticated of the African cultures before the arrival of Europeans. “A number of exact matches turned up,” Gates wrote, “leading straight back to that African Kingdom called Northern Europe, to the genes of (among others) a female Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe it was time to start listening to ‘My Yiddishe Mama,” he quipped. – http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/10-questions-for-jon-entine.php

      Many of these elite ‘Blacks’ are lying to themselves and others about their own Blackness and just trying to using it in to guilt-trip Whites for their own advancement – the fact of the matter is that they are barely Black at all and have little to nothing in common with the pure-Black underclass.
      I bet our good friend “alpha unit” here isn’t very ‘Black’ either except maybe in terms of some superficial physical characteristics…isn’t that right, alpha?

    2. So there’s no way a true “Black” person could ever say the things I say?
      I learn something here all the time.

  26. “Underclass black people can be quite contemptuous of well-off blacks–and quite manipulative of them. The same way poor people of almost any other group can resent the wealthy among them.”
    Regardless, the Black aristocrats have the wherewithal, the IQ, the will-to-power to enforce their will, including the demand that the poor people act right, since they’re his neighbors. And eventually, badasses who are conquered gain a grudging respect for the conqueror. The reason Black aristocrats make efficient conquerors for black underclass thugs is because they’re not hobbled by silly White guilt. In the real world of Might-makes-Right, IQ and resolve trumps swagger.
    I have sympathy LEAST of all for the Black aristocrats who have benefitted from Affirmative Action and other programs intended to lift up the black race.
    Those programs were instituted, at least implicitly, as a hand up and then the Blacks would, having been given a pull-start, keep the chain going themselves.
    The Black aristocrat AA beneficiaries were expected (at least implicitly) after their hand up, to turn and give a hand up to the rest of the blacks, not pull up the ladder behind them and run away with it, cackling, — which is how I view college educated Blacks who flee the ghetto to get to live the High Life with Whites, instead of staying in the ghetto to give the ghetto lads their hand up, where they SHOULD be.
    And especially, to fools like Jesse Jackson, I say: Come back with that ladder, Damn

    1. You obviously don’t know much about the “underclass” either.
      You are dreaming if you think a Black aristocrat can demand ANYTHING of a black underclass thug. The aristocrat has something to lose. Quite often, the thug does not. And one thing you don’t do is fuck with somebody who’s got nothing to lose. You’re the only one who pays if you do.

  27. “This much is absolutely incorrect. Many of the White kids I grew up with were delinquents until age 15 or so, then they knocked it off. With Hispanics, it’s similar but often lasts longer, maybe until age 23 or so. After they mature out of it, they are often quite different people. They often knock off the crime altogether for one thing. They develop a good work ethic, get off dope, all sorts of stuff.”
    The purpose of Early Head Start is due to findings that personality and cognitive abilities are no longer malleable by environment AFTER age 3.
    If personality at later ages was malleable, Head Start would be a stunning success, and “Early Head Start” would not be out there as the next “fix.”
    It is still a plausible hypothesis that the White and Hispanic kids who went straight at 15 and 23 were manifesting the traits that apply, on average, to their race. i.e., that White race adolescent rebellion ends around age 15, Hispanic (i.e., Mexican mestizo) age 23. What is the age for the end of adolescent rebellion for blacks? Since they have the highest murder rates, by far, for men over 18, maybe there is no end to rebellion for their race, on average.

    1. You are confusing “personality” with social issues. Being a fuckup is a social thing. A lot of the Whites I grew up with went through a “being a fuckup” or “not getting it” phase of being an irresponsible asshole. Most folks like this tend to get hit in the face with the 2 by 4 of life at some point or another. I include morals in this.
      You are confusing that with basic personality traits that manifest in personality disorders and their healthy opposites: narcissistic /confident, sociopathic/ aggressive, dependent/ devoted, on and on. Even the personality disorders are curable, although it is quite hard to do so.
      LOTS of folks are fuckups and idiots in life until they get their shit together at some point or another. That is NOT necessarily the same thing with basic personality
      Anyway, personality is also somewhat changeable in some ways. For instance, as a young man I was a wild party boy and notorious womanizer and now in middle age I am more or less a hermit. OTOH, I have developed an anxiety disorder that has effected my basic personality. My late father was a pretty happy guy until he encountered work problems that turned him into a bitter and angry man in the last 40 years of his life.
      Crime went from almost zero in the USSR to Russia having one of the highest violent crime rates on Earth. You understand the societal and economic basis of crime and lay it all on the bogeyman of “personality.”
      Head Start has been proven to have a successful outcome on a number of variables, and if I am not mistaken, it is even cost effective. All Head Start is is pre-school for poor (Black) people. I don’t get why White people have such an issue with it. Whites all go to pre-school and no one demands that their pre-school have these awesome dramatic positive success.
      The Black homicide rate in the very rich US is 25/ 100,000 and the rate in Dominica, a very poor Caribbean country, is 2.5/ 100,000. The US rate is 10X higher. Blacks have the same genes in both places.

    2. The homicide rate only explains so much. Most of the shootings I head about on the local news result in injuries.
      If these thugs knew how to shoot and hold the gun the right way the homicide rate would be a lot higher.

  28. “A lot of the Whites I grew up with went through a “being a fuckup” or “not getting it” phase of being an irresponsible asshole”
    I’m arguing that the “fuckup” phase, that is, adolescent rebellion, MAY, in fact, be a simple matter of the manifestation of genetically programmed child development of members of the White race. That is, regardless of environment, that White kid was destined to be a fuckup at 14 and then lose his urge to fuck up in early adulthood, after age 15.
    If I’m right, and Black genetically programmed child development does not, on average, on average, on average, provide an off-switch for the propensity to be a fuckup, then transporting that Black kid away from his homeboys to a White neighborhood will do NOTHING to change his propensities. In fact, it will just give him easier targets.
    You have no evidence that removing the average black young fuckup from the ghetto and putting him in a white neighborhood will remove his propensity for fucking up. It’s just a hypothesis at this point. I’m not willing to be a guinea pig for your experiment. BUT, if you can get members of Hyannis Port compound, Upper East Side Manhattan, Westport, Connecticutt and La Jolla, CA to each take a black per block into THEIR neighborhoods, I’ll read your data with interest.
    “Head Start has been proven to have a successful outcome on a number of variables, and if I am not mistaken, it is even cost effective”
    If Head Start was even modestly effective, we’d hear no end of crowing on the Left. The fact that we don’t, that all the old, extravagant, sweeping promises for Head Start have quieted and now the newest thing is Early Head Start, is telling.
    “The Black homicide rate in the very rich US is 25/ 100,000 and the rate in Dominica, a very poor Caribbean country, is 2.5/ 100,000. The US rate is 10X higher. Blacks have the same genes in both places”.
    I am skeptical of Dominica’s ability to do a bangup job of keeping statistics.
    “All Head Start is is pre-school for poor (Black) people. I don’t get why White people have such an issue with it. Whites all go to pre-school and no one demands that their pre-school have these awesome dramatic positive success.”
    Because I am taxed to provide Head Start, that’s why. My kids did NOT go to preschool, yet graduated high school in the top 10% of their class. I argue that preschool has ZERO value, except, A. for a source of daycare for working mothers and B. a source of kiddoes to play with — which can be gotten in the neighborhood at the park if mom is motivated enough to do so.
    “One more thing, in the last 15 years, the Black homicide rate has dropped 30%.
    I thought all societal interventions were futile?”
    How did you get that idea from my argument? I say societal inventions CAN be effective– the effective societal invention of putting Black aristocrats back into the Black neighborhood to clamp down on the thugs. Locking up thugs CERTAINLY reduces the crime rate. It’s just, the societal interventions I advocate are not “nice.” Nor are they lies.
    Steve Sailer has a compelling argument that the drop in homicides these last years is due to black boys watching their older brothers being killed/maimed in the crack wars and deciding to avoid it. So how would exporting those boys to peaceful White neighborhoods allow them to see the carnage that has caused them to behave better? Humans CAN learn, of course, some easier than others. But the mistake the Left makes when it goes to teach a lesson, is that the Blacks invariably learn a DIFFERENT lesson than the one intended.

    1. I have no experiment. The experiment is ongoing. It’s called integration. Blacks can go live anywhere they want to in the US right now.
      If I am not mistaken, Head Start has even been proven to be cost effective.

    2. The positive effects of Head Start are rather modest and not Earth-shaking. However, they have been publicized. The rightwingers who say it’s a waste of money are lying. And I believe it has even proven to be cost-effective too.

  29. “How would these Black aristocrats be “put back” into the Black neighborhoods? At gunpoint?”
    Repeal deseg laws. Then Whites who wish to have Whites-only neighborhoods can do so by creating homeowner associations with CCRs excluding blacks.
    Obviously the laws could not be retroactive (unConstitutional) so it would be laws for future home sales in those existing neighborhoods that had enacted those exclusion CCRs, or for new developments. Blacks whose homeownership would be affected would have to be compensated, as for any eminent domain taking.
    Eventually, with homeowner association – created CCRs excluding them, and the natural tendency, when allowed, of people to congregate with others like themselves, the Black aristocrats will, in fact, be back in the Black neighborhoods in large numbers.
    Because there are substantial numbers of college-educated Blacks now, they should be capable of creating nice neighborhoods for themselves and other members of their race and policing them.

  30. When discussing the ghetto “critical mass,” there used to be a fashionable idea called the Broken Windows Theory. It says that when people see a lot of broken windows in a neighborhood, they figure anything goes and ghetto-like culture develops. It was one of the theoretical underpinnings of the Dept of HUD and housing projects. Of course, the ghetto just moved into those projects, so it wasn’t so much the physical manifestation of broken windows that was they keystone, but observing that a man’s place is hanging out on the street corner, since the guys with better things to do with their lives don’t live in that neighborhood.
    Another idea that gets bandied about sometimes is a kind of community service organization. I think that has a lot of merit. A program where college-age (but not college material) men (and women, to be fair) would finish or continue an education, live in a safe environment, and get job skill training while in their high-risk/low-direction years. The Army fills that role for a lot of poor southern whites. But it would benefit everyone except large-city employees who don’t do anything, if a “camp” of young men spent their early morning watching the streets making sure kids got to school safely, went to school themselves the rest of the morning, and paid for it by fixing restrooms and restoring slum homes in the afternoon. Then at true maturity, they’d have a background in both doing something and keeping a normal-person schedule.

  31. “Blacks can go live anywhere they want to in the US right now.”
    With disastrous effects on innocent White people who watch their neighborhoods decay into crime-ridden cesspools and lose their life savings due to the devaluation of their family homes as the percentage of Blacks in the neighborhood, once the process begins, gradually, inevitably climbs from 0 to 100%.

    1. Everyone has a right to escape Black crime by moving to a nicer neighborhood. Law abiding Blacks also see their life savings decline with the property value of their homes. It’s a human rights violation to not allow Blacks to also escape Black crime by moving to a better neighborhood. It’s a human rights violation to only allow Whites that privilege.
      The White population in the US is probably something like 65%. The day when you could repeal the Fair Housing Act and the Civil Rights Act is long since past. You’re fighting a War Against Time.
      It’s not possible for every neighborhood in the US to become 100% Black as your scenario outlines.
      As an example, I lived in Huntington Beach, CA for many years. It was about 1% Black when I moved in. It was about 1% Black when I left 23 yrs later. I lived in Oakhurst, CA for 16 yrs. Same thing. 1% Black when I moved in, 1% Black 16 yrs later. That’s pretty typical here in California. We don’t have that many Blacks. They are only 7% of the population.

    2. RL:”We don’t have that many Blacks. They are only 7% of the population.”
      And that’s the reason you defend them so much Mr Lindsay…because you have never had to deal with them too much. Blacks have never been very successful in racially expanding there in California because they weren’t up to the challenge of competing with the other non-White parasite class located there, the Hispanics.

    3. Me:”Blacks have never been very successful in racially expanding there in California because they weren’t up to the challenge of competing with the other non-White parasite class located there, the Hispanics.”
      Conversely, Hispanics are increasingly successful in racially expanding down here in Dixie, and many Southern Blacks I’ve talked to about this issue truly hate them for that. The most virulent anti-Hispanic rhetoric that is spouted here in The South does not come from the mouths of Southern Whites, but rather from the Southern Blacks.

    4. I spent years teaching Blacks in the LA City schools and surrounding school districts. I taught in South Central, Lynwood and Compton. It would be wrong to say that I hated all of those Black kids, but I will never teach Blacks again. 11th and 12th graders, maybe.
      Not true I have not dealt with Blacks too much.

    5. Blacks have never lived in California much for some reason. I don’t think there are many Blacks in the West period. You can look it up if you want. It’s as if they never really moved out here very much. I’m not sure of the details.

  32. “It’s a human rights violation to not allow Blacks to also escape Black crime by moving to a better neighborhood. It’s a human rights violation to only allow Whites that privilege.”
    No. It’s a human-rights violation of the loony left which restrains Whites (and the Blacks who would assist them) from profiling, etc., or whatever measures are necessary, to stop the criminality of blacks by screaming raaaaaaciiiiiiiiiisssst! when black thugs get collared and thrown in jail.
    Unfettered law enforcement would have all black thugs in jail and all black thug wannabes too scared to operate — which would remove the requirement for blacks OR whites to have to flee their neighborhoods seeking safety.
    BUT since the You’re Racist! milieu we live in prevents Whites from conquering the black ghetto thuggery, then the Black aristocrats are going to have to do it.
    Also, where’d you get your 2.5 / 100,000 murder rate for Dominica? I found
    http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article4074
    quote:
    “Surprisingly, whereas Haiti – generally perceived as one of the world’s most dangerous trouble spots – has a 2005 murder rate of approximately 11.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, in the Dominican Republic, where there were 2,403 violent deaths in 2005, the murder rate is 26.7 per 100,000 inhabitants.”
    So according to that source, at least, the Dominican rate IS greater than the U.S. rate, and the population of blacks, at 11%, according to CIA Factbook, is less than U.S. at 13%.
    “The day when you could repeal the Fair Housing Act and the Civil Rights Act is long since past”
    Nope. I’ve traded stocks long enough to understand something of human psychology. Your “long since past” sentiment is a contrary indicator. Things MUST reach a crescendo, a hyperbolic, nearly vertical straight up move for the trend to change. The trend is on the nearly vertical, now, as far as Left’s smug assurance of their own power.
    “It’s not possible for every neighborhood in the US to become 100% Black as your scenario outlines.”
    That’s not my scenario. Of course it’s not possible for every neighborhood to become 100% black — Unless White Flight of fleeing black criminality means ALL Whites were to move out of the country (and all other ethnicities, too.) MY scenario is, if your wish for a black per block comes true, then each collection of a few blocks will have its own personal thug to make life miserable.

    1. Dominica is not the same as the Dominican Republic.
      Dominica is a small former British island filled with black people.
      The Dominican Republic is the eastern 2/3 of the island of Hispaniola. It is a former Spanish colony and the demographic breakdown of the country is up for debate.

  33. Robert, the average IQ of an inner city (ghetto) Black is an abysmal 76 (86 for Whites in the ghetto). Yet inner city Whites display less pathology than suburban Blacks who are at 86 IQ pts., and Whites 100.

    1. You need to bump all those up by 3 pts now as the tests have been renormed.
      Yes, Black pathology is not fully explained by IQ at all. That’s why I really get tired of this line, “They do it because they are stupid.” There is so much more to it than that. On the other hand, a raising of the Black IQ should reduce Black pathology to some extent, which is why I support it.

  34. Why can’t some of these people just be honest? They want to come across as respectable, when they are actually thugs.
    They know very well that the only way racial separation would ever occur in this country at this point is through force.

  35. WP:”They know very well that the only way racial separation would ever occur in this country at this point is through force.”
    Yes, but then again excision of a cancerous tumor is never painless.

  36. “”I agree with a lot of what you say.
    One terrible idea, though. It’s certainly true that a “higher” race can sink to the depths. Any group can dive to the bottom of the pool. But can you ever imagine a state of affairs where, say, Aborigines (IQ 64 and little hope in sight), suddenly start acting like the Japanese?
    Get my drift. The high can sink as low as low gets. But can the more primitive groups reach the pinnacles of societal achievement?””
    I suppose this has to do with evolution building up, like a building. The lower structures are kept. Perhaps they are modified, and renovated, but they are kept.
    A person on an elevator can reach the highest floor, and the lowest floor.
    However, in a smaller building, a person cannot reach a high level, no matter how fast the elevator goes “up”
    Perhaps this analogy even applies further. By forcing the elevator to go past the building, you “break” it.
    Thats why there is so much ADD medication. The old personalities of males simply cannot work in this society. Male aggression needs to be medicated out. Whether by aggression inhibiting prozac, or spontaneity inhibiting adderall. Whites are medicating themselves to become more like asians.We are adding floors by meds.
    I have a minor solution to black under performance in school.They need more floors, they need more adderall type medications.
    Simply, blacks need more medication in this society. I believe massive SSRI among blacks would work. They reduce sex drive, and reduce aggression. An altered Ritalin would also be a good idea. And it is more workable then altering their temperament in the womb, like you have suggested.
    Of course, studies studies studies.

  37. hispanic…thats not a race. i understand hispanic as spanish speaking mulattoes.
    what makes people , colored or not , aggressive , uncivilized is not only their dna ( ok , thats important , too ). slums produce more children than educated , sophisticated families. educated female gives birth to 1 kid in her 30s or 40s risking dowm syndrome or similar. the cohesion diminished in educated ( white ) families , they pursue carriers and care less about their relatives.
    the children born in slums face not only a low iq but a sort of “tradition” of parasitic life-style. criminality often includes all the members of some families. they segregate themselves , insubordinate , milk the system , pass these habits to every new-born.
    i did not know abut 67 iq in african population.
    but im sure there’s no true black man or woman in the usa (excepting new-comers ). races slowly mix and the statistics can not trace the changes. a colored man may resemble more his white great-grandfather . it is not all in the colour ..

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