Prospects For a Pro-White Movement In the US

In the comments section, Public Enemy No. 0 asks:

I guess I wonder, if AA and mass immigration aren’t going to go away, are we doomed? If not, why not?

I have my own views of what a pro-White movement would look like, or at least the sane part of it. Simply put, it would be an anti-racist pro-White movement, analogous to La Raza, MALDEF and LULA for the Hispanics and the NAACP and Urban League for the Blacks.
White nationalists like to say that these are racist movements, Hispanic racists in the first place and Black racists in the second case, but I really disagree. They really are devoted to a strong anti-racism and a defense of their people against attacks and discrimination. That’s exactly what a pro-White movement ought to be.
As anti-White indoctrination, anti-White hate crime and anti-White discrimination continues in the US, we will start to see more and more Whites, especially young Whites, who think this way.
I’ve already seen some on the Internet. They are pro-White, but they worked for and voted for Obama and are committed to anti-racism. They aren’t into hating other races at all really, only into the defense of Whites against attacks. Most of the ones I see find non-White females attractive and are willing to date and possibly marry non-Whites.
This once again is analogous to the organizations listed above, who of course care nothing about miscegenation. WN’s see anyone supporting miscegenation as lost to the cause, but the truth is, most Whites support miscegenation these days, and opposing it marks you as a Neandertal.
There are several other problems facing Whites these days:
Mass immigration, especially illegal immigration, especially of non-Whites, who are transforming entire communities into Little Seouls, Little Hong Kongs, Little Tijuanas and whatnot. It’s much worse that’s it’s been in recent memory. In the San Gabriel Valley, you drive for many miles and scarcely see a sign that it is in English – everything is in Chinese.
When you go to downtown LA, you think that most places that look like this in the world, an American would need a passport to get into them. Many, especially illegal, immigrants are not assimilating or even trying, and many are not exactly upstanding members of society.
Most White Americans are definitely upset if not outraged by the above. The solution is to advocate for a border wall, stricter enforcement of immigration laws in the states, no amnesties and a reduction in legal immigration. Probably a majority of White Americans could get behind a carefully crafted movement supporting that.
Another problem is anti-White propaganda. A friend is a freshman at a California university. All new students must take “Multicultural Studies.” My friend is a Communist, but he is still White, and he hates this syllabus. He calls it “Anti-White Studies”. I’ve reviewed the curricula and he’s correct.
A lot of Whites are getting sick and tired of being told how evil they are by other ethnicities who are not exactly moral shining stars themselves, to put it kindly! A very large number of Whites probably oppose this frankly dishonest movement that lies about our people, and many others are possibly troubled by it. It’s an excellent target.
Anti-White discrimination. The firefighter case back East is particularly egregious. Quite a few Whites are probably disgusted to outraged about such things. I dare say a majority of them might support the White firefighters in this case. Where clear anti-White discrimination exists, Whites are not yet so self-abasing that they will not stand up and fight back. A carefully worded movement could play into these feelings well.
Hate crimes against Whites. They do exist, but the media says they’re all hallucinations. A lot of Whites get pretty mad when you bring it up. No one, not even the most self-abasing White, wants to be bashed in the head or killed by a bunch of racist thugs. Protesting against hate crimes against Whites is perfect for White anti-racists. After all, Black and Hispanic anti-racists spend a lot of energy fighting hate crimes against their own.
But the fact is…
soon this will no longer be a White majority country.
At this point we need to think about damage control. AA has already been pretty seriously restricted and ballot initiatives to further restrict it are doing great. The public is still against it, and I wish pro-Whites would quit bringing it up since I think it’s a red herring these days.
As far as immigration, damage control.
First, focus on the illegals, the most egregious and insane aspect of the insanity. If we can even continue to stop amnesty, we are doing great. But most anti-illegal groups are totally hostile to even liberals not to mention Leftists. The anti-illegal movement must be broadened.
Hispanics are a real problem because as they grow in the population, politicians will continue to pander to them. 80% of them are out and out traitors on the illegals question and are essentially for Open Borders. Nevertheless, the anti-illegal movement needs to reach out to legal Hispanics way more.
As the Mexican population grows and grows, at some point, we will not be able to stop amnesty. Since the amnesty crowd is also Open Borders, we will have a much more open border on the South anyway, so more and more “illegals” will keep flooding in. Followed by more and more amnesties. At some point it will just be legal to be an unauthorized immigrant to the US. As you can see, this leads obviously to the US as the newest Latin American country. Think about that.
This is the kind of crap we are up against and it’s really scary.
Many haters of the illegals also love legal immigration. Lou Dobbs wants to double or triple it to 2-3 million/yr. Both political parties and the elite across the spectrum cannot get enough legal immigrants. The public is actually about 70% for minimizing legal immigration. Once again, we have a vast elite – commoner split. Mass legal immigration to the US at 1.2 million/yr or so, not including guest workers, in its present form is clearly insane.
Advocating shutting it off as most pro-Whites do is ridiculous and seems radical, and anyway, hardly anyone supports it. Pro-Whites should start calling for a reduction in legal immigration from the present 1.2 million (?) to 350-400,000. That will seem reasonable to probably 70% of the population.
Also we ought to get more restrictive about immigration, especially from Latin America, and test them much more thoroughly. Too many Hispanic immigrants and their kids are becoming problem Americans.
We need to do some research and come up with some algorithms about which Hispanics and their offspring are most likely to go bad and which ones are most likely to turn out well. Keep the bad candidates out and let the good candidates in. Many or possibly most White Americans could probably get behind a stricter testing and requirements (points based system) for at least some immigrants. It just seems reasonable to most folks.

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47 thoughts on “Prospects For a Pro-White Movement In the US”

  1. Here is a poem I just wrote based on an incident that happened to me yesterday.
    Slaking Your Thirst at the Asian Market
    Don’t look for Diet Coke at the Asian market,
    especially if you are unshaven, as I was that day.
    The guard will get in your face at the door
    to let you know funny business is not allowed.
    Once you go in, there are no marked aisles,
    like Ralphs, or Albertsons or Piggly Wiggly,
    and the manager will drag the guard inside
    and look upset that he didn’t track you.
    Once inside, if you don’t get lost,
    or embarrassed by the stares of another race,
    you can find soft drinks, if you search hard,
    but the Coke is regular, no diet to be found.
    If you are a bit corpulent around the belly like me,
    you’ll map a path, without paying, to the door
    and feel the mutual sighs of relief as you leave.
    And you will commune with your brother, the black man.

  2. Really great post Mr. Lindsay. I’ll have more to say about your post later, but for now just this:
    RL: “As you can see, this leads obviously to the US as the newest Latin American country. Think about that.”
    Yes, this is exactly what is happening. People of Hispanic/Latino/mestizo/zambo descent are attempting to colonize more land and claim more territory and resources for themselves despite the fact that they ALREADY CONTROL ALL OF THE LAND FROM MEXICO SOUTHWARDS. And THEY ARE DOING THIS USING THE TAX DOLLARS OF WHITE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS…White Americans are being FORCED THROUGH CONFISCATORY TAXES TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR OWN DISPOSSESSION AND EVENTUAL DISAPPEARANCES FROM LARGE AREAS OF THE USA.
    Think about it: Mexico, Central America, and the majority of South America is already overwhelmingly owned and populated by people of Hispanic/Latino/mestizo/zambo descent…these people already have a whole continent of their own and then some and now they are trying to push northward in to our territory even though they already have plenty of their own land and resources in their native lands…if they already control a whole continent (plus Mexico and Central America) that is predominately Hispanic/Latino why do they need ANOTHER continent to settle in, another country to turn in to your typically corrupt and dysfunctional Latin American nation?
    Quite simply, the USA is being COLONIZED by INVADERS and it has to stop or else the USA as we know it will dissolve and/or balkanize during a revolution and a MUCH harder-line blatantly anti-Hispanic and anti-immigrant White government will come to power and get things under control using violence and expulsion if necessary….I hope it doesn’t have to get to that point but it will if the situation doesn’t correct itself in the next couple of decades.

    1. What the fuck is this “zambo” bullshit? Are you talking about Indian-black mixed people? How many freakin’ “zambos” could there possibly be in the United States. Five, maybe? I’ve noticed many white nationalist like to exagerate the black ancestry in Mexicans and Mexican Indians. You’re a sad bitch.

  3. I go to an urban public university with a large minority student body and we must take four courses of “diversity studies.” And all professors must adopt a pro affirmative action position or they will be fired and harassed.

  4. We need to do some research and come up with some algorithms about which Hispanics are most likely to go bad and which ones are least likely to go bad.
    Agreed. We also need to get past the fallacy that says that, since it’s mainly the US-born sons of African, Southeast Asian, and certain Latin American immigrants that have high crime rates, that “immigration isn’t a crime threat”. A UC Irvine study reveals that foreign-born blacks, Dominicans, and Cubans are a moderate problem, but US-born blacks blacks, Laotians, Cambodians, Chicanos, Vietnamese, Cubans, Dominicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans are a dramatically bigger problem, with Puerto Ricans (island-born or mainland-born) a sizable problem as well.
    To answer your question in short: the Hispanic crime problem centers on Mexicans and islanders, and is much worse among the US-born than the first (or zeroth, depending on how you count).

  5. In response to allegations made concerning crimes committed by non-white people I would like to respond with the following. The problem with criticising non-whites based on crime statistics is that those crime statistics are based on a strictly legal definition of crime. White people often commit crimes that are legal to commit. There are many sorts of behaviors that are of a criminal nature that have not been outlawed. So I think that racial oriented crime statistics are bogus. Each race is equally as criminal.

  6. Well I don’t consider it an argument for anything. In my opinion people should have a right to associate with who they want to associate with and they should have a right to live where they want. I do not think that the government should play a role in determining how communities are structured. In my opinion the government should not concern itself with racial issues at all.

  7. Boy I certainly don’t agree with that at all Patrick. That’s an argument in favor of racism.
    As far as Whites committing crimes too, well, when I’m walking down the street late at night and some White guy comes up in back of me, I don’t feel a shiver of terror thinking, “Oh no! That White guy’s going to violate a worker safety law!”
    Street crime is particularly horrible and is corrosive to the very body politic and nature of community itself. It dissolves community and tears it asunder. It’s a particularly nasty type of anti-civilizational and anti-social behavior.
    There is something very comforting about a community with low levels of street crime, no matter what other problems or issues the place might have.

  8. Good for you, so am I. I’m an anti-racist too, believe it or not.
    Once you say that people can associate with whoever they wish, live with whoever they wish, and whatnot, then you invalidate the premises of all of our civil rights laws, which state that people do not have a right to associate with whoever they wish in terms of customers, business partners, hires, fellow employees, renters and home buyers. You can’t discriminate on those bases. You can discriminate all you wish in all the rest of your life, but not in those areas.
    So you’re an anti-racist who is promoting a racist agenda in one way anyway.

  9. Hi, Public Enemy. The children of immigrants are still the children of immigrants. We can find their parents and study them.
    They will have various characteristics.
    Here in California, the children of Hispanic immigrants are either successful and moving into the Assimilated Hispanic or Hispanic Middle Class or they are part of the Underclass. There is a vast group of Assimilated Hispanics here who frankly act just like I do. Well, a lot of them probably act better than I do. Anyway, they are no problem at all.
    There is another group that has moved into what’s more or less the Underclass. Here in California, most people think these are the children of the illegals.
    Legal immigrants and their kids seem to be on a better path here. The legal immigrants are keen to keep out of trouble, often act pretty good, and speak English better. If their English is not that good, at least they really want to improve it. A lot of them want to become citizens. I don’t have issues with most Hispanic legal immigrants. In general, the illegals do not assimilate well. Most speak little or no English. Some want to learn English and become citizens, but I don’t know about the rest.
    Point is, the parents of the kids in the Assimilated group will have certain characteristics. The parents of the kids in the Underclass group will have other characteristics. Sociologists get paid to study this stuff. Come up with a profile of the type of Hispanic immigrant who, along with their kids, is likely to become part of the Assimilated group. Find the ones who have low dropout, teen pregnancy, crime and gang membership rates, look at their parents and make a profile.
    Match Hispanic candidates to the US against this profile to see whether they and their kids are likely to join the Assimilated group or the Underclass group. Admit or deny them on that basis.

  10. I said “live where they want”, I did not say “live with who they want”. If a black guy wants to live in a predominately white neighborhood he should have the right to live there. So that aspect of what I said was said to contradict the notion of enforced racial separatism.
    When I said people should have a right to associate with who they wish to associate with I was referring to strictly on the social level. I understand that right already exists however I was simply saying that so that racial separatists do not think that antiracists like you and me want to interfere with people choosing their own personal criteria for who they socialize with.

  11. I said “live where they want”, I did not say “live with who they want”. If a black guy wants to live in a predominately white neighborhood he should have the right to live there.
    Okay, but assuming this is reversible, and assuming there’s no way to get white people to stop committing crime, this leaves the state no way to protect black people from the white criminals in their midst.
    So that aspect of what I said was said to contradict the notion of enforced racial separatism.
    I can’t imagine a system free from both enforced racial mixing and enforced racial separatism. Either a person has the right to sell their house to only members of their own race, and has a right to live separately from members of other races, or he doesn’t.
    The Robert Lindsays of the world have grown used to their shivers of terror. I have not. More importantly, I don’t want my children to get used to them either. What I want to know is why are all we all so dead-set on living with exactly the same combination of civil rights in every state. What is so horrible about cultural federalism?
    If we can get used to living in fear when we walk down the street, never knowing when a white person is going to engage in price fixing, or a Korean is going to commit utilities fraud, or a Japanese-American is going to violate a plumbing code, surely we can get used to a choice of living in only twenty or thirty states (each of which is about as large as the average country).
    I do fit some definitions of racism (being willing to say negative things about other races, preferring some races and culture over others, etc.) and not others (being hateful, desiring to spread lies, etc.), but in any case I have no desire to swamp anybody.

  12. Let me add that the above questions are less rhetorical than they may seem. I’m not a committed separatist, I’m someone who is considering separatism as a long-term option. If, in the short term, immigration were restricted, affirmative action done away with, urban gangs dealt with properly, the nation would develop differently and the races could probably find a way to get along. My prediction is that these matters will be dealt with later rather than sooner, which is a shame.

  13. I don’t really understand you WN’s. Why can’t Whites just be proud, defend themselves, be anti-racist, be open to mixing with other races in various ways, etc., like all the other races?
    I mean, I’ve met people from all over the world. One thing they had in common was most of them loved their people (their race, tribe, ethnicity or nation) and often their country too. On the other hand, most that I met were not racists in any important sense and most were ready and willing to mix with other races, date them and even marry them.
    This is the way that the NAACP, the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League, the ADL, the National Council on La Raza, etc. are. NAACP is pro-Black, IAADL is pro-Italian, ADL is pro-Jewish, NCLR is pro-Latino. If you look into these groups you find that not one of them is a racist group. You don’t stuff bashing the other races or groups on their websites. None of them say that the only way to exist is to live apart from other groups.
    So why can’t White people do this too? I don’t get it. Why is just about every explicitly pro-White person a nasty racist who usually hates the other races so much he wishes to permanently separate from them? Why are pro-White groups dedicated to preaching how Whites are superior and all the other groups are lousy or inferior? Why can’t Whites be ethnocentric like everyone else without turning into racist shits?

    1. “Why can’t Whites be ethnocentric like everyone else without turning into racist shits?”
      Because “white” isn’t an ethnic group. It’s a racial category with no fixed definition or boundaries that anyone can agree on. One person’s white is another person’s brown. How can ethnic solidarity develope when there’s no sense of group identity or common heritage.
      I’m not optimistic about a non-WN pro-white movement.

  14. Why can’t Whites just be proud, defend themselves, be anti-racist, be open to mixing with other races in various ways, etc., like all the other races?..None of them say that the only way to exist is to live apart from other groups. So why can’t White people do this too? I don’t get it.
    Quite simply Rob any White group even approximating anything along the lines of the aforementioned groups (NAACP, La Raza..) tends to get labeled as racist even if they encourage members of other races to join:
    http://www.westernyouth.org/About/index.htm
    Their mission statement has nothing about race.. yet:
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/26/white-nationalist-linked-right-wing-youth-group-debuts-at-cpac/
    Some of their evil vicious WNs happen to be Korean, Jewish, etc.
    There was a group of White students who wanted to form a European culture group in Northern California public high school. They stressed that any and all were allowed in. There were vehement protests by the teachers and some of the students (The school was about 75% non-White..) which called even the formation of such a group racist. Even though the same school had Asian, Latino, and Black affinity groups.
    So, yes, that’s a good question Rob, why aren’t benign pro-White non-racist groups allowed to form without being shouted down as racist..? I seem to remember some White dude on the internet that looks and writes just like you who was accused of being a racist online and in person for raising similar issues.

  15. You didn’t mention the Nation of Islam, or any of the groups advocating secession for La Raza-majority areas.
    I’m not sure exactly how you separate yourself from the nasty racists. Sometimes I get your terminology and sometimes not. You’ve called yourself an ethnocentric anti-racist. Nothing wrong with that, but now it’s not just racists but “explicitly pro-White” people who are under fire. So I guess you’re just ethnocentric, not pro-white?
    In any case as far preaching superiority goes, pro-white groups are no worse on this account than the other groups you’ve mentioned. Rosa Parks and George Washington Carver are more important parts of most public school curricula than Thomas Edison and Martin Van Buren (not just in black schools).
    There’s a certain amount of rah-rah cheering that goes along with ethnocentrism and I’m not sure why you consider it even worth talking about. When you speak truth about pathologies in non-white groups, that’s sort of the negative flip-side of that.
    You seem to emphasize the importance of dating/marrying people of other races is in showing that one is non-racist. Does marrying a white woman show that Amiri Baraka wasn’t racist?
    Never married, no children, popular among the ladies. Your point of view isn’t invalid but it’s not exactly growing out of the values that created Western civilization. You have your multiracial state for you to meet women of all sorts of races. Fine. I have no objection to that.
    What I was curious about was the specific objections that anti-separatists have to the remaining almost all-white states keeping non-whites from moving in. When New Mexico and company secede, I doubt it will really be workable for gringos to move there. Louisiana and Mississippi will likely be black majority one day, at which point we can expect a string of governors along the lines of Marion Barry and Robert Mugabe. Neither of those things bother me. My guess is that in a future scenario in which separatism becomes acceptable discourse, a minimum of 20 states would be governed by pro-multiracial majorities, and that those states will include Illinois and virtually the entire Eastern seaboard.
    Do you really feel so certain about your multiracial project that this isn’t enough?

  16. No state is going to secede from the U.S. If anything we will gain more states in the future. We have already fought the civil war and we won. You WNs are seriously paranoid. Get help.

  17. No state is going to secede from the U.S.
    As long as there is a powerful central government, yes.. however in 1980, myself along with vast majority of the world’s population, would not have dreamed that less than 15 years later the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia would break apart.
    Consider the US in say.. 30 years.. a bankrupt central US government….. why would Hawaii or New Mexico etc no longer wish to remain a part of such a country..? What general or politician would order an attack on these majority non-White states..? Especially if a powerful China was openly against such a move..?
    If anything we will gain more states in the future.
    Coming from a man who earlier advocated attacking Mexico, that’s interesting.

  18. NOI are fringe loons. So are the fringe Hispanic separatists. They ARE racists, but the mainstream organizations for sure are not.
    So I guess you’re just ethnocentric, not pro-white?
    I’m for my people. I love my people and my country as most folks all over the world do. Being ethnocentric is just normal. Being pro-White is stigmatized and most folks who call themselves that are racists.
    Almost all of your Black and Hispanic anti-racist types are very ethnocentric. At the same time, they are pro-Black and pro-Hispanic. So it’s perfectly reasonable that pro-Whites could be anti-racists too. Almost all of them are not, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Everyone should support their people.
    I really really really do not think that La Raza, MALDEF, LULAC, NAACP and the Urban League preach either Hispanic or Black superiority. That’s simply preposterous. And if you go to their websites, there is no racist dogging of non-Hispanic groups or non-Black groups as being shitty or inferior to the Hispanics or Blacks. They don’t put themselves above others and they don’t put other races down.
    Does marrying a white woman show that Amiri Baraka wasn’t racist?
    What’s truly appalling is that your average ethnocentric Black or Hispanic is not particularly exercised about miscegenation. I mean these groups above never mention it. They could care less.
    But 95% of pro-Whites out there are jumping up and down screaming RACE TRAITOR at anyone who dates out or marries out. A lot of them say you can’t even have non-White friends. 95% of you want to fucking separate for Chrissake. What the Hell? Why can’t you be like other ethnocentric people on Earth and be open to miscegenation, friendship and living with with other races and whatnot?
    I just don’t understand White people. Why do they always go so insane whenever they get ethnocentric?
    There isn’t going to be any succession. Sadly, the future will something resembling yet another Latin American country. There’s never been any racial secessionist down there either, and there won’t be any up here. How do Latin American Whites get along with the others? Well, study up on it, or go ask some of them. Most of them don’t seem to mind. The separatist movement down there is almost nonexistent.
    This is the thing. As long as Whites have a majority, there will be significant movement towards separatism. But when we lose our majority, instead of the pro-separatist movement increasing, it’s going to decrease progressively as Whites get wimpier and wimpier, go wigger or native more and more, and especially marry out more and more.
    Do you follow me here? You guys had your best chance back when we were a huge majority, and as the majority shrinks, your prospects grow dimmer and dimmer, not greater and greater.
    And there won’t be any racial civil wars in the US. I mean, the town I live in is Diversity City and it seems like there is just about zero racism. When it gets to this point, the real racist Whites just take off, and those that stay are antis or go wigger or whatever. The Hispanics aren’t that racist anyway, and there’s hardly any Blacks.
    You can’t be racist in this town. No one can. You will hardly make it through the day. You’ll create bad vibes everywhere you go and you won’t be able to get along with folks.

  19. The “Chicano invasion” of America truly does not bother me because it’s Mexican in nature because I do not have one iota of racist shit in my being. If I was a poor Mexican from Mexico I’d do everything I could do to get into America to try to make a decent living, so my solidarity with them is strong.
    However, the truth behind the propaganda is that the rich and the corporations in America want this country flooded with cheap labor so they are allowing this deluge of people from across our southern border.
    The UK and all of Europe is experiencing the same phenom with the invasion of Middle-Eastern, Indian, and Asian labor. For guys like you and I who are “liberal humanitarians”, this is a troubling thing because it puts us on a very shaky fence.
    We truly feel for the needs and sufferings of so many poor who need to find work, and yet we also can clearly see that this importation by default of cheap foreign labor is wreaking havoc on our own cultures and countries.
    It’s a fucking mess!

  20. NOI are fringe loons.
    Yes they are but people like that Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, etc have broadly praised Farrakhan. Then there was the million man march, etc. Like it or not, Farrakhan commands a great deal of respect in the Black community.
    But 95% of pro-Whites out there are jumping up and down..
    Depends upon how you phrase it…. many people with pro-White ideas are repulsed by the likes of David Duke etc and would never participate in any of his events or his website. As I pointed out.. even you have been repudiated for mildly pro-White ideas. The fringe types go to the fringe.. whereas the majority know better to keep their mouths shut in public.

  21. Almost all of your Black and Hispanic anti-racist types are very ethnocentric. At the same time, they are pro-Black and pro-Hispanic.
    From Mecha’s preamble (La Raza has funded Mecha (along with Federal Tax dollars..))
    El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán
    In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.
    We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent
    Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner “gabacho” who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.
    Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
    http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/aztlan.html
    Do they outright state superiority..? No… not yet.. but they certainly don’t seem to want Gringos on “their land”.
    The word minority still has meaning.. more radical sensibilities of superiority are not publicly in vogue among non-White racial groups. Of course I am sure there are many non-Whites who do not approve of racist rhetoric, but given the fawning attention to the likes of Farrakhan and others like him, it’s quietly tolerated.

  22. MECHA has a fanatical charter that was drafted by Brown Beret morons in the 1960’s. All those mainstream Hispanic organizations won’t have anything to do with “Aztlan.” They hate it. OTOH, it is some fetish for leftwing Chicano radicals. My leftwing radio station has some show once a week that they turn over to some radical Chicano asshole who talks about Aztlan. It just infuriates me. I live with these Mexicans here on the ground and I’ve been around them all my life.
    Most of them would not know Aztlan from a hole in the ground. The only idiot I knew who talked about this shit was an overeducated Marxist Chicano intellectual egghead. Those are the only idiots talking about this. The Chicanos love the US. They want to be part of it. They don’t want to be a separate country. And for sure they don’t want to be part of Mexico.
    And I think it’s laughable that you guys think Chicanos feel superior to us Gringos. It’s not the case at all. Trust me, a lot of Chicanas are hot for the gringo white boy. He’s hot property in the Chicano community. Anyway, Chicanos are mostly part-White and probably a majority of them are mostly White. So they feel some strong affinities to White people. To say that they hate Whites is completely mistaken. They are part White themselves.
    I agree that those egghead idiots at the universities in the Chicano Studies departments can be really scary sounding, but your average Chicano on the ground is dirt ignorant and not that smart either. The other ones that are even slightly radical are some illegals and their kids and some idiots who took some classes in Latino Studies at the university and got some stupid ideas in their head.
    You make some excellent points about other races refusing to denounce their own racists. Truth is, that is because they are inferior. Culturally inferior. It is only we Whites, with our superior culture, who will actively denounce our own racists. This is one of the great progressive things about our people, but I am also afraid it may be our doom. Most other races see their vicious racists as simply the most ferocious defenders of The People of all.
    Remind me to do a post on this: Only Whites will denounce their own racists!

  23. And I think it’s laughable that you guys think Chicanos feel superior to us Gringos.
    I am talking about 50 years in the future. When Whites, especially Whites under the age of 40 will be a minority. Consider the (very real) possibility of a complete collapse of the US dollar. The aftermath will look like what happened in the former USSR. Likely China and India will be ascendant. Europe will have some interesting history but will fade. Movie stars and politicians throughout Latin America will look more like their constituents. (IE Browner..)
    It’s not the case at all. Trust me, a lot of Chicanas are hot for the gringo white boy. He’s hot property in the Chicano community.
    He’s a very hot property in Japan and China also. That doesn’t mean those cultures as a whole don’t think they aren’t superior to White cultures. That said as I pointed out above I think this sense of superiority for Latinos lies more in the future and is predicated on (almost inevitable..) decline in White cultural and economic influence.

  24. This should read:
    “I don’t see Whites being exterminated under Latino but something closer to how Malaysians treat ethnic Chinese in Malaysia, although possibly a little worse.”
    I don’t see Whites being exterminated under Latino rule (in 50 to 75 years..) but something closer to how Malaysians treat ethnic Chinese in Malaysia, although possibly a little worse. Maybe a little closer to the Chinese/Indonesian model.

  25. I agree that those egghead idiots at the universities in the Chicano Studies departments can be really scary sounding, but your average Chicano on the ground is dirt ignorant and not that smart either.
    But very useful as foot soldiers. Witness how many Latino protestors turned out when a law passed the house in 2006 that increased penalties for illegal aliens. I think the numbers throughout the US were in the millions. Dominance through mob rule. I don’t see Whites being exterminated under Latino but something closer to how Malaysians treat ethnic Chinese in Malaysia, although possibly a little worse.

  26. “Coming from a man who earlier advocated attacking Mexico, that’s interesting.”
    Stillwarm, I never advocatated attacking Mexico. I said annex Mexico. If you don’t know what that means try dictionary.com.
    No I would like to bring Mexico in as 4 or 5 new States, with their permission of course.
    Well people are probably worn out with hearing about my radical plans, but I think it is the only solution to the illegal Mexican problem.
    Hell we can bring Canada in as well. They used to talk about it.

  27. I said annex Mexico.
    Correct you never said attack.. you said annex.. you didn’t clarify in your previous post that you wanted to do this by non-violent means. From everything I know about Mexico, it would be regarded as an attack.
    No I would like to bring Mexico in as 4 or 5 new States, with their permission of course.
    I doubt that would happen.
    Hell we can bring Canada in as well. They used to talk about it.
    Well, it wouldn’t be beneficial to Canada.

  28. So the left advocates national expansion and the right advocates letting the minorities have whole states.
    It is only we Whites, with our superior culture, who will actively denounce our own racists. This is one of the great progressive things about our people, but I am also afraid it may be our doom. – Robert Lindsay
    Indeed by this standard you are whiter than I am, but it doesn’t fit in with other stuff you’ve written. Up until now, WNs were jerks for preaching superiority; WNs were crazy for preaching doom. I know you’ve explained your position and I just can’t understand it.
    My guess is, your success with the ladies is clouding your opinions here. For the last several posts you’ve been saying it’s nasty for WNs to scream “race traitor” about miscegenation as if the main thing that mattered was your right to romance Chicanas. (I think it’s nasty for people to scream, period.) It seems like this one of the most interesting points to you, more interesting than what I thought was the point. Only part of the point was, What happens if WN gets shouted down as “evil supremacism”. The other part was, What happens if WN / separatist schemes don’t succeed?

  29. Correct you never said attack.. you said annex.. you didn’t clarify in your previous post that you wanted to do this by non-violent means. From everything I know about Mexico, it would be regarded as an attack. – Stillwarm
    This is correct. And it’s no good for us to get “their” consent in annexation. We could only ever get their government’s consent. Just like we got their government’s consent to buy the Gadsden Purchase territory (which is now called “stolen” by the left in both countries). Just like we have permission from Saudi Arabia’s government to have troops in that country (we are now called “invaders” by the Islamists). Our businesses have the consent of countless third world governments to employ citizens there (we are called “imperialists”). Etc.

  30. Only part of the point was, What happens if WN gets shouted down as “evil supremacism”. The other part was, What happens if WN / separatist schemes don’t succeed?
    I flubbed these two sentences. What I meant to say was, only part of the the point is Will WN get called supremacism and forgotten? The other part is What happens if separatist schemes succeed? and What happens if they don’t?
    This is pretty rhetorical. Most of us agree on the third question, only some of us call it “doom” and some don’t. But most won’t answer the second question because we’re so sure of our answer to the first.
    But I don’t have to bet any money on WN success. So what if it’s got a 99.8% chance of failure. Proclaiming this over and over is just triumphalism and it is hardly interesting.
    What if the logical separatist scheme did succeed? Most people would live in states that wouldn’t be affected. Minorities in homeland states wouldn’t be required to sell their houses, although they couldn’t buy new ones in-state or sign new rental agreements. States could choose which non-residents to let travel on state-maintained roads (not interstates), which marriages to recognize, and which adoptions to allow. No other civil rights and no political rights would be affected.
    I’m saying this to clarify my position only. No one asked, so I assume it’s not super-interesting, and that our host may continue feeling swamped. My position is detailed at Ian Jobling’s site.

  31. Public Enemy, look. All cultures think they are better. That’s just normal. That’s the definition of ethnocentrism, ok? I think it’s just the way you go about it. WN’s are just ugly, mean, cruel and vicious about the way they put down other races and groups and also about how they say you’re better. There’s a good way to do it and a bad way to do it.
    Main thing is I think Western Whites are better because only we can do progressivism. No one seems to be able to get it down. Western White men treat women better than any men on Earth. We treat minorities better than anyone on Earth. We’re the least ethnocentric and the most generous to others. Hell, we won’t even stand up and stop millions of illegal alien invaders colonizing our land! That would be “mean.” We treat the environment, the animals and plants, better than any people on Earth. We treat gays better than anyone on Earth. We’re also probably more naturally socialist than any other group. We are also the least corrupt. All these things are great, and I want to promote them to White liberals. White liberals need to get behind White ethocentrism because to love liberalism is to love White culture. And as we move to a post-White America, I am some of this stuff may fall by the wayside.
    Hispanic guys treat women like crap, just like most guys. Hispanics don’t give a hoot about the environment in general, and most Hispanic nations have done nothing but destroy it. Hispanics don’t treat gays very well at all, that’s if they even leave them alive. A post-White America is sure to be more corrupt. Hispanics are not nearly as kind to minorities, especially Blacks, as we are. They don’t have anti-racist illusions; they are typical, tribally-oriented people.
    I don’t get you guys. Sure we are better in some ways. So? Why does that mean we have to hate everyone else, move away from them, separate from them?
    The natural ethnocentrism of much of the world is to think your people are better, but to often like the other people, to want to live with them, be friends with them, maybe even date and marry them. So you guys are not normal.

  32. As far as separatism, well, it’s very interesting for a story or a movie or a novel. Why don’t you write a novel about it? What if it happens? I dunno. I am one of those “cross that bridge when you come to it” types. Ain’t gonna happen. The best you might be able to do is that one separatist town in South Africa where there’s like 1,500 Whites living. Orania.
    As far as your vision of a what a racially separatist America would look like, let me tell, it’s ugly as Hell.

  33. WN’s are just ugly, mean, cruel and vicious about the way you put down other races and groups and also about how you say you’re better.
    I’m not sure if you’re getting me confused with someone else. Is my tone really this harsh? Or is this just an esthetic reaction to my suggestion that we consider the effects of separatism on people’s lives. I’m not sure how what you say about culture is less uglymeancruelvicious than what some WN says about other races and groups.
    I wonder. You differ from WNs in this ineffable way, and you differ from leftist minority groups in that you believe white culture is better (less corrupt, less misogynistic, more socialistic, etc.). Like everyone else, you differ from those to your right, and from those to your left – no suprise there. And like most people, you regard people way to your left as being closer allies than people slightly to your right. That is the surprise. Nobody really questions this. We accept the Gypsy Moth Republicans to recoil from John McCain, who we expect to disavow George W. Bush, who will have little to do with Mitt Romney, who probably considers Pat Buchanan an extremist, who will have nothing to do with David Duke.
    Imagine if Richard Perle wouldn’t deal with Robert Byrd who wouldn’t talk to Bill Clinton who wouldn’t deal with Nancy Pelosi who wouldn’t talk to Dennis Kucinich who wouldn’t deal with the socialists. Wouldn’t that be nice.

  34. In response to the following post on the economic dispossession of White men – http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2009/05/obamas-economy-men-women-and-welfare.html – I wrote: “The scenario you describe is the reason why a new pro-White (and hopefully pro-male) movement will soon arise in the USA…the widening economic dispossession of White men (combined with the decreasing numbers of Whites and the ever-rising numbers of Hispanics in the USA) is going to make this new American pro-White movement (White nationalism, etc) increasingly popular in the coming years.”

  35. RL: “Why can’t Whites just be proud, defend themselves, be anti-racist, be open to mixing with other races in various ways, etc., like all the other races?”
    The last statement in that sentence is entirely untrue…most other racial/ethnic groups are not AT ALL amenable to mixing with other racial/ethnic groups. In fact, MANY are fanatically against it and a lot of groups shun or disown people of their ethnic/racial group who breed with other groups.
    It’s all of the other races who want White blood because they know it’s often better than their own…men of all races/ethnicities the world over crave young White women for their beauty and feminity while women all over the world want White men because they are often good, stable providers.

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