The Birth of the Caucasian Race

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.

An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman. An early European, possibly of the M173 line. He may somewhat resemble a Khoisan or Bushman.
A reconstruction of a very early European, based on fragments found in caves in the Carpathian Mountains of Romania from 2002 on, offers a tantalizing glimpse at what early Europeans must have looked like. He actually looks a bit like Richard Steele, boxing referee and possible throwback. Previously, the oldest European skull was 30,000 years ago and was said to look like a modern European, with closest affinities to Finns. As you can see, the White nationalists are furious about this. The “White European” phenotype as we know it today did not come into existence until after 12,000 years ago, or maybe sooner. Before that, European Caucasians resemble Arabs. For instance, a 24,000 year old Cro-Magnon European shows DNA similarities to Near East (Arabs or the Caucasus). A 23,000 year old Italian Cro-Magnon sample genetically resembles modern Middle Easterners from Palestine, Syria, Yemen and Iran. Cro-Magnon was not The Original White Man. He was a Middle Easterner – an Arab-Iranian type. The original Proto-Asians came out of Africa 65,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M168 line, although NE Asians are probably partly M89. The original Caucasians did indeed come out of Africa about 40-45,000 years ago, probably descendants of the M89 line. Whites and Caucasians in general are probably a legacy of M89 and not M168. M89 birthed M45, which are the Proto-Amerindians of 35,000 years ago, on the steppes and in the Mongolia-Siberia region. A child of M45, M173, were the first Europeans, and may be represented by this fellow. Later, M343, the real Cro-Magnon, appeared. It is a bit confusing whether Cro-Magnon is M173 or M343 or both. The early genesis of the Caucasoid race involved a large injection of Asian genes from Mongolia, Siberia and East Turkestan. This occurred about 40-45,000 years and represents about 2/3 of the proto-Caucasian genetic line (Bowcock 1991). These proto-East Asians probably looked something like Aborigines or possibly Ainu. Modern NE Asians do not appear until about 9,000 years ago. Before that, all Asians looked like Aborigines, Melanesians, or Ainus. As noted above, the modern European phenotype also only appears 10,000 years ago. So both modern Whites and modern East Asians only go back 10,000 years, to the Last Glacial Maximum. All humans had dark skin until 10,000 years ago. What birthed light skin? The glaciers. For an analysis of this early process, which injected a lot of Proto-Asian genes into the Northern European Cro-Magnon line, see this early discussion on my now-banned blog:

Based on y-chromosome lineages, Atlantic and north European men (Cro-Magnon descendants) are related to N.E Asian men. They all descend from haplogroup Q which arose in the north Himalayas and south Siberia 45,000 years ago, with one group branching off west eventually ending up in the Pyrenees, the Caspian sea and northern Scandinavia. The other group would go across east Asia and even to the Americas.

Indeed, there were movements in the other direction too – from Northern Europe back to Siberia. An ancient line of Europeans called Orcadians (named after barren islands in the north of Scotland) went back to Siberia at some point and contributed significantly to the genetic line of the Yakut, a Siberian grouping that is now only The other 1/3 of the line was an early African (Bowcock 1991), maybe a Proto-Caucasian African out of South Africa (see below). Out of the Proto-African and Proto-Asian mixture was birthed the Proto-Caucasian. The African phenotype was not Bantuoid because modern Blacks do not appear in Africa until about 12,000 years ago. I have always wondered what these folks looked like, and this is an interesting part of our heritage. In the Amren article linked above, commenter JPT is not correct that Whites are on our way to being a different species. Caucasians, Blacks and East Asians are still fairly closely related. The furthest apart are Blacks and Aborigines. If anyone is evolutionarily on their way to becoming a separate species or subspecies, it is the Aborigines and the Papuans of New Guinea. The distance between them and Africans is greater than the distance between any two human groups. It might be interesting to see what happens if they mate. I am pretty sure that they can mate successfully, but it might be interesting to see if their couples are less fertile than others. As genetic distance increases, infertility does too because you are moving closer and closer to separate species. I know that Europeans and Aborigines can mate successfully, as there has been a ton of this going on since the first White invaders attacked (I mean landed on) Australia several hundred years ago. Speaking of Aborigines, yes, they are very different, but they are not Homo Erectus as many say. They are fully human. Homo Erectus lives to this day in large numbers in San Fransisco. What follows is reconstruction of the genesis of the early Caucasians. First of all, a line descended from the original M1 line out of Africa arose in Southwest Asia in the Levant (Israel, Palestine, Lebanon and Syria). This line had come out of Africa via Somalia to Yemen and Arabia 40-45,000 years ago. It’s known that they went back to Africa, but it was always thought that they went back the same way that they came, via the Red Sea. Instead, they moved out through the Sinai and into North Africa to become the Proto-Berbers. This same line moved into Europe via the same Mediterranean route, this time along the Northern Mediterranean. These folks indeed may have been related to the fellow pictured above. The most succinct summary of the Proto-Caucasians is found here.The actual birthplace of the Proto-Caucasians was in the Caucasus, as one may expect. A figurine has been found in the Don River area of southern Russia dating from 45,000 years ago. It is thought that this is a remnant of this earliest Proto-Caucasian culture. Proto-Caucasian Man came out of the Caucasus 39-52,000 years ago. One went west to Europe, possibly resulting in the fellow above and N. Africa (this is the line out of the Levant described above) and other east to NE Asia, probably the M89 line described above, and this in part explains Caucasian affinities of Koreans, North Chinese, Mongolians, etc. There were also further returns to North Africa from Caucasus and India 30,000 years ago. It appears that the birthing grounds of the Caucasian Race were in the Caucasus, the Middle East, India and North Africa. The highly modern East Indian and North African Berbers – both diverse groups of Caucasians – may be the remains of the earliest proto-Caucasians. It is interesting to postulate on what the proto-Caucasians who moved out of Africa via the Red Sea 42,000 years ago looked like. No one knows. However, curiously, 36,000 years ago a new line arose in South Africa. It looked like a Caucasian, specifically like Cro-Magnon and other Late Pleistocene cave man types in Europe. No one knows what happened to this line, but this proto-Caucasian in South Africa 36,000 years ago could have moved up to the Rift Valley area and then to Arabia to give rise to the Caucasians. Keep in mind that by the time that Africans moved out of Africa, only 2 lines left. At 65,000 YBP (years before present) an incredible 40 different lines had already evolved separately in Africa, and they were all quite different. Only two of these 40 diverse lines left Africa. The rest stayed and birthed the tremendously diverse African race of today. It’s often said that the Khoisan-Bushmen of Southwest Africa are the most ancient living people. However, recent research shows that this is wrong. The most ancient humans are from East Africa, specifically from around Kenya and Tanzania. This includes the Masai (thought to be originally from the Sudan), the Sandawe (a Khoisan type in northern Kenya), the Datog (similar to the Masai, and probably also originally from the Sudan), and the Burunge and Gorowaa, both of whom came from Ethiopia recently. The African Eve, the first human, was probably a Northeast African or East African. Man probably originated in Ethiopia or Sudan, close to the Rift Valley that transformed the first men from apes and watered the fields of the long line of Homo that ended in ourselves. From a dead link discussing Tishkoff’s findings:

Sarah Tishkoff of the University of Maryland and a team of coworkers reported genetic analyses of more than 600 living Tanzanians from 14 different tribes and four linguistic groups. They analyzed mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) the tool of choice for tracing ancestry because it is inherited only through the mother as part of the ovum. The number of mutations that have accumulated in mtDNA is a rough measure of the time that has passed since that lineage first appeared. The owner of the first modern human mtDNA (by definition, a woman) is often referred to as “Eve,” although many women of that time are likely to have shared similar mtDNA. Genetic diversity Tishkoff and her colleagues chose to investigate East African peoples for specific reasons. The number of linguistic and cultural differences is unusually high in the region, as is the variation in physical appearance – East Africans are tall or short, darker-skinned or lighter-skinned, round-faced or narrow-faced, and so on. This observation suggested that the genetic composition of the population is highly diverse, and as expected, the team found substantial variation in the mtDNA. In fact, members of five of the lineages showed an exceptionally high number of mutations compared with other populations, indicating that these East African lineages are of great antiquity. Identified by tribal affiliation, these are: the Sandawe, who speak a “click” language related to that of the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert; the Burunge and Gorowaa, who migrated to Tanzania from Ethiopia within the last five thousand years; and the Maasai and the Datog, who probably originated in the Sudan. The efforts of the University of Maryland group reflect a substantially larger database and more certain geographic origins for its subjects than earlier mtDNA studies. Further, the work by Tishkoff’s team reveals that these five East African populations have even older origins than the !Kung San of southern Africa, who previously had the oldest known mtDNA. “These samples showed really deep, old lineages with lots of genetic diversity,” Tishkoff says. “They are the oldest lineages identified to date. And that fact makes it highly likely that ‘Eve’ was an East or Northeast African. My guess is that the region of Ethiopia or the Sudan is where modern humans originated.”

For more links between the Tutsi – Masai types and the original Europeans, see the following early discussions (here, here, here) from my previous (now shut down) blog. It’s a bit hard to get your head around, but if you think hard, you can start to understand it. I spent months trying to figure out exactly what this guy was saying, and I think I have it now. His intriguing comments strongly suggest that the earliest Cro-Magnon ancestors were derived from populations that are now the East African Masai, Tutsi, etc:

Masai and Tutsi are doliocephalic and orthaganus. Tutsi and Masai Central African types are quite low skulled, like the original Cro-Magnons were. Also MtDNA retrieved from a Cro-Magnon in Europe was found to belong to haplogroup *N, which directly and immediately descends from L3, which originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. Some of its clades went south and then east onto Australasia, while the northern clade went to the Middle East and gave birth to *N, and other clades went to West Africa and south. It’s the northern subclades of L3 that gave birth to *N (like l3a1) that are the most closely related L3 members, and Sub Saharan Africans are closest to *N bearing Cro-Magnons, as they are their most immediate and closest ancestors. It would be interesting to see if the Tutsi and Masai have any of these northern subclades of L3, as they are more closely related to Cro-Magnon *N than any other MTDNA lineage in the world. What I cant get my head around is the overlap in identical SNP clusters (Caucasoid) between populations of predominantly different patrilineal and matrilineal ancestry. e.g. e3b Ethiopians (also predominantly indigenous African on mtDNA) and r1a/I1a Norwegians. R1a and Ia descend from K, which arose in the Middle East, and e3b descends from YAP, which arose in Uganda. The nearest ancestor of R* and I* and J* Europeans/Middle Easterners with E3b Ethiopians is the M168 male, which is the ancestor of all other modern humans, so they share as little as possible recent ancestry. On mtDNA East Africans are predominantly L3, which is the direct ancestor of mtDNA N*, which is the original Middle Eastern Caucasoid mtDNA marker, which has been retrieved from 2 European Cro-Magnon specimens too. I wonder if East Africans have northern subclades of L3, as they would be the most closely related L3 subclades to N*.

See below. They do look like White people, don’t they?

An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapated African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People's Liberation Army.
An example of a Dinka, an example of what I call a West Sudan Elongated Desert Adapted African. This man is a negotiator for the SPLA, the Sudanese People’s Liberation Army.
A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post. Or am I hallucinating?
A Masai man. The more I look at this guy, the more I think he looks like our 36,000 year old Caucasian guy reconstructed at the start of the post.
More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.
More Dinka West Sudan Elongated Desert African phenotypes.
Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot. You know, before the Cultural Marxist dickwads took over?
Another West Sudanic type, from an old anthropological textbook, back in the days when race still existed and we could still discuss phenotypes and whatnot.
A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.
A Tutsi, possible ancestors of the original proto-Caucasians. Note the Caucasoid appearance.
Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks. Hey WN's, say hello to Grandpa!
Another Tutsi. I must say they are handsome folks.
Yet another Tutsi. I can't get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.
Yet another Tutsi. I can’t get over how much these Africans look like Caucasians or Whites in facial structure.
Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.
Eastern Desert Elongated Africans, possible progenitors of the Caucasoids, look like Caucasians. One argument is that this is due to inbreeding with Caucasoids. In fact, they are pure Africans. See the chart.
Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it's de novo.
Another chart showing the African purity of the possible proto-Caucasoids of Africa. Take home point: Caucasian appearance is not due to Caucasoid interbreeding; it’s de novo.

References

Bowcock, AM, Kidd, JR, Mountain, JL, Hebert, JM, Carotenuto, L, Cavalli-Sforza, LL and Kid, KK. February 1, 1991. Drift, Admixture, and Selection in Human Evolution: A Study With DNA Polymorphisms. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 88(3): 839–843. Cabrera, Vicente M, Maca-Meyer, Nicole, González, Ana M, Larruga, José M, Flores, Carlos. 2001. Major Genomic Mitochondrial Lineages Delineate Early Human Expansions. BMC Genetics 2:13 Hellenthal G, Auton A, Falush D. 2008. Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors. East Rutherford, New Jersey, USA: Penguin Group.

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384 thoughts on “The Birth of the Caucasian Race”

  1. Multi-Regional Theory has replaced the “out of Africa theory” to a large degree. Meaning humans came from multiple evolving apes around the world. We have DNA evidence that Caucasians & Asians both share European Neanderthal DNA, unlike black Africans who do not have this DNA. It’s unknown right now if the Homoerectus of Asia mixed at all with modern humans, but it’s certainly a possibility. The African homosapien was only one source of evolved apes. Human beings today likely are comprised of all 3 humanoid groups.
    As for white supremacists, everything in the universe is related… why wouldn’t they be related to black people when they are related to the dirt they walk on and the stars in the sky?
    There is nothing in existence that you are not related to. Everything came from the Big Bang… if there was only one that is, there could be many out there in infinite space.

      1. Yes, but all anatomically modern humans originated in Africa at about the same time. This includes Australoids. The Neanderthals, Denisovans, etc. originate from an earlier OOA scenario… But the idea of all anatomically modern humans originating from separate instances of descent from homo erectus, etc. is ridiculous. The populations that would emerge from these distinct instances would indeed be separate species or at least subspecies, and would probably not be able to have fertile offspring together.
        It boggles my mind that trained scientists of the last century or so could ever entertain this absurd scenario. They must have had an agenda like Carleton Coon or the Azn nationalists who insist on the Extra Special Snowflakeness of the Chinese people.

      2. @Cablasian its not necessarily that they want to prove it. They might just have scientific integrity and a commitment to the truth and think that is the truth. If you want to be a bit more cynical, their main concern might be to prove blacks as less intelligent and the genetic hierarchy where NE Asians are at the top supports that. Plus there is a smaller gap between Asians and whites and those white scientists are secure enough in light of western achievements to not mind the Asians being a bit more intelligent on average. People are quite comfortable to think of Asians as bright, its a common stereotype, plus we respect that and we can respect their countries and cultures.
        Besides, its not like all Asians are brighter than all whites. There’s a huge overlap. The average Asian is like a quite bright white person. Nothing too threatening about that, especially for high iq white person.

    1. I doubt if educating people will stop racism. Racism is a kind of folk ideology which can be constructed with a few sentences and few experiences that back it up.
      It is not a deep understanding of life. A theologian writing a paper on theodicy or a moral philosopher urging people to be kind to animals is a very different mind set to that of most people in their every day lives; as they go about busily from one thing to another and hence ending up being being quite heedless with regards to any depth involved in questions which talk about the the suffering of life such as racism etc.

      1. I understand you point but racism is a thing that has been taught to humans for centuries. European and Arab racism is easy to trace because they’re both tied into slavery. Psychologically you have to justify doing such a brutal thing to some one else so 1st religious stories are twisted into racist tales then later we see pseudo & partially empirical science spout racist explanations for poverty and academic success. From my research the 1st color based racist writings come from the Hindu Vedas and the Jewish Talmud. The Vedas are the source of the class conflicts and color prejudice in India but the Talmudic writings further corrupted by the Islamic writings and the Hadith are the root of the color based racism we deal with in the Americas, Africa, the Middle East and Europe.
        I go deeper on my blog here: http://hucipher.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/a-brief-analysis-of-the-history-of-color-based-racism/
        The point im making is that these are racist teachings that after centuries of being taught have become part of western culture. We have to teach that these racist notions are false and we have to do soon all levels including folk ideology. Comic books such as the X-Men emphasize the evil of treating those who are different than you wrong while also showing that different people can be awesome. The Harry Potter books and movies do the same by highlighting the muggle, mud blood, full blood conflicts with in the series.
        So I believe education with the right methods has helped and will continue to help end racism and all other forms of bigotry

        1. “…So I believe education with the right methods has helped and will continue to help end racism and all other forms of bigotry…”
          No the Zulu Lesbian had it right,”…I doubt if educating people will stop racism…”, because no matter how much you educate people that Blacks are just like you and I when they rape and kill your little girls then all that education goes right out the door.

          1. Wrong. People of my “ilk” know the score exactly. It’s only denuded and propagandized people that don’t pay attention in diversified areas and get themselves killed. Not me. If I have to go to diversified areas I’m ready to protect myself and have no illusions about the nature of those that live there.

        2. Education with “the right methods”? What are you talking about?
          The “right methods” mean telling us our culture is wrong and the savages that exist only by our suffering is “right” even when they rape and murder their betters and overthrow one country after another anytime they become the majority?
          Different people CAN be awesome, but we don’t have the X-Men equivalent of the Moslem terrorists, or demands for Welfare and Affirmative Action. Where are the tales of “muggles” guilted/politically forced into favoring those who want to destroy us with everything from free money to advantages in the job and college markets?
          Speaking of folk mythology, have there been any attempts to retell savages’ tales, but with the savages replaced by whites? There seems to be a big push to “accidentally” replace white heroes and villains with nonwhites, from Catwoman to Nick Fury to Shocker, and now Human Torch. Why is that? We can’t even have our own folk ideology without Affirmative Action there too?
          If European and Arab racism is tied to slavery, what is the slavery that African practiced for centuries tied to? Is that not racist? Or is it simply that savages believe “Might Makes Right”–UNTIL someone ELSE has more Might than they do, then it’s “Can’t We All Just Get Along?”
          Except that “Can’t We All Just Get Along” is NOT the savages’ natural State, it’s an excuse that is thrown away as soon as savages get a taste of power, whether a Government office like in Detroit, or Russia handing the savages guns&bombs to overthrow civilization.
          I always considered myself a fair man. So can you show me ONE NON-SAVAGE COUNTRY where savages never misbehaved, always followed the laws of their hosts? If you can, I will completely recant everything I said. BUT I expect a cavalcade of excuses for WHY savages invade one white country after another, fucking them up and ultimately overthrowing them–then LEAVING when they discover it might NOT be better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. Is my prediction wrong?

      2. Thank God for Zulu Lesbian Construction Company and their “deep understanding of life”. To bad you’re not a Jin of some sort as you could have whispered in the ear of this girl, Autumn Pasquale.
        http://i.huffpost.com/gen/826350/thumbs/o-AUTUMN-PASQUALE-MISSING-facebook.jpg
        You could have told her “…It is not a deep understanding of life…”, “…Racism is a kind of folk ideology…”, as two Blacks murdered her for bicycle parts. Or maybe the eight year old girl who was raped and murdered a few miles from my house. Think of what comfort you would have given her telling her,”…Racism is a kind of folk ideology…”, as her vagina was ripped open by Blacks raping her before she was murdered. Your “deep understanding of life” would have surely comforted her in her final moments. Of course these are just a “…few sentences and few experiences that back it up…” as you said. Your Jin comfort skills would be sorely stretched to whisper sweet nothings into the ears of the more than 30,000 White women raped by Blacks every year. We don’t actually know the real number they quit keeping statistics because they were so bad. I’ll bet it’s much more now.
        Of course you’re right that these people deserve no sympathy. After all they are,”…quite heedless with regards to any depth involved in questions which talk about the the suffering of life such as racism…”.

        1. So Sam, you keep quite a count of rapes of whites by blacks, but are you as accurate an accountant of the rapes committed around the globe by whites against blacks…can you even fathom the number during slavery alone??? I know…right? mind-boggling, I know!

          1. I’m sure someone was anal enough to have kept an accurate count of rapes of slaves by their owners…Can you dig up documentation about that when savages kept whites as slaves? Or does that completely slip your history hole?

      3. Wait, are you ‘A’ Zulu Lesbian construction company owner or do you, “build,” somehow, Zulu Lesbians for work in the construction industry?

        1. I have changed my name to Beheading is painless. But I did in fact run a philosophy workshop for Zulu lesbians who worked in the construction industry.
          Now with regards to Sam,the suffering of iife is indeed terrible. The sufferings you list that are endured by whites are painful and are full of defilement to the souls of innocenct white people who who suffer these crimes. To try to make sense of suffering from a philosophical viewpoint is in no way to diminish the very real pain felt by the victims of crime you listed. Certainly there is a depth of reflection that philosophers apply to the very real distress caused by suffering. Theodicy, as this discipline of trying to make sense of suffering, is in no way, ever ever seeking to diminish the pain and misery of life in this world.
          Indeed it is to address fully the very heartfelt anguish you feel that makes theodicy so compelling a subject within philosophy.

      4. “…I doubt if educating people will stop racism…”
        You are entirely correct. If people were educated on the behavior of Blacks and Jews they would tear them to pieces. If people were educated on the behavior of Blacks and Jews the default position of Whites on these two races would be to run them out of the country…or tear them to pieces…haven’t decided which.

      5. If you want to “fix” racism with education, you’ll have to “educate” the lesser races–not the whites–that we take it the “wrong” way when they rape and murder our people and burn down our cities, let alone overthrow our countries.
        Until this lesson is internalize AND THEY STOP DOING IT, you’re pitting your pitiful “education” against survival instinct.
        Worse: It does succeed sometimes.
        Take Addlesperger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/teen-arrested-in-suckerpu_n_1955369.html
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyqAH_TYCj8
        He unfortunately suppressed his survival instinct and did not consider savages any more dangerous than his own people. With predictably tragic results. How much better would it be to teach savages not to attack their betters, rather than for their betters to pretend they’re not dangerous?
        Why are you still pushing for the latter?
        And comparing it to a philosopher calling for people to be kind to animals is the wrong comparison. Better to compare it to after a child gets mauled by a pit bull, the idiots raise money to save…THE PIT BULL!
        Same kind of twisted priorities.
        I would rather not have to suffer savagery in Civilized World country as opposed to the savages having a suffering-free life, wouldn’t you?
        Read the first comment in that video, to see what kind of scum these are.

  2. But the whites are pretty barbaric still.. They have not evolved to become vegetarians for like many Hindu Indians for e.g.

    1. You have to be pretty civilized to be a vegetarian. That is civilizational progress.
      I have lived in Western Africa and I have seen Gorilla Paws being sold in the grocery stores.
      Then you have the Asians who eat Dogs and Cats
      The you have the primitive Europeans of Denmark who beat and club seals and wales and eat them
      Pretty grotesque
      On the other hand you have Brahmins of India who are so civilizationally advanced that they were vegetarians for like 3000 years.. Amazing.

    2. Would white Europeans look down at Africans eating Gorilla paws? Would they look at them as inferior and or not evolved? What about Asians who eat dogs and cats and other stuff that crawls on the floor?
      So would not the vegatrian Brahmins look down at the whites as worse than untouchables at the meat eaters of the world.
      Actually they do.. Upper caste Brahmins of India actually put the whites in the same category as the outcastes for precisely the same reason.
      White are capable of extreme cruelty which actually speaks of their inferiority of their race. White travelling and ethnically cleansing locals and taking over their land is as superor as a thief who thinks he is very clever.
      😛

    3. The fact that white christian Germans can drink cocktail champagne listening to Wagner when there were 6 million dead bodies in their basement speaks well about the barbaric nature of the white Caucasian race. Mentally and emotionally how they are stunted.
      Most Africans and other aboriginals are much more sophisticated than the Caucasians in my book.

      1. This is one of the reason they are drawn to Yoga and Meditation etc….they are now becoming aware how inferior their christian influenced culture is and trying to evolve in their thoughts and spirituality and move away from their barbaric ways.
        😛

      2. Yes..thanks to the Anti Hindu “Intellectuals” of India from West Bengal and JNU and Kerala and Delhi Univ and the congressie Nehru dynasty..they have managed to kill so many Indian children.

      3. Every thing Manny says is automatically B.S. Now go shoot yourself in the fucking head you worthless currybreath piece of shit. You Indian males are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of male racial attractiveness…along with East Asians. Both you guys and East Asians have a 4 inch penis average…look it up faggot. You guys are so pathetic you are actually down there with Asians. Haha…..fucking turban-headed fucks.

      4. Most Asian women have small vagina..so it fits snugly the small penis… however if a woman has a Barn door size vagina, then you need a big penis.
        Obviously someone hasn’t read the Kamastura..Its all explained in there.. In fact they even have an interesting topic on how a small penis can pleasure a woman with a barn door size vagina.

      5. Yeah MannY, that woman is an exception. There are even attractive white women with fetishes for Asian men! But those women are the exception, not the norm. Most white women want a white man, and black and Asian features such as flat noses and wide broad faces are unattractive to them. And most Asian women want white men as well, as do black women, although they will never admit it. A white women’s first choice is a white man, and then a black man, and then an Indian or East Asian man.

      6. Rare. Exception does not disprove the rule. Fact; Indians are the 2nd most disliked male race by women. East Asians are #1 most hated male race. Look it up man, there have been numerous studies done on this, and East Asians and Indians have small penises and extremely low amounts of testosterone. They are short, wimpy, and not all that attractive. Some women have a fetish for them, but some women have a fetish for dogs and horses as well.

      7. Manny, from your writings, it seems you have not inherited the Indian IQ average of 82. Are you one of the Brahmins, Kshatiyra, or Vaish? You seem to be fairly educated for an Indian, seems you belong to the 4 Aryan castes.

    4. I sure don’t feel like eating anything after seeing all the filth in big or little India. Some nasty Hindus that I know of are only vegetarian on a certain day. Furthermore, they are not vegan. For your information, in this day and age, it is the Whites that are promoting vegan.
      Hindus like many blacks/asians/non-whites are still very uncivilised, very primitive and very unreliable.

  3. Here is another theory that will just blow all the white peoples mind away. When you read the Bible in the very beginning, you read that God created first the world, and last of all He created Adam and Eve. We all know that God is perfect and all that He does is good. As Adam and Eve were created in God’s own image, just imagine the huge shock they will receive on judgement day when face with an African God? That is why I always say, you better be nice to people throughout your life and see every man and woman as your brother and sister. As you mistreat each other, you mistreat God. And finally the judgement day will come. Where do you want to be standing?

    1. The Babel is mythology dude.. There was no Jesus and no he did not come back.. thats for children. As thinking adults we all know this is bullshit.
      Christians have been lying and killing for Jesus for over 2000 years
      Anyway from Thomas Paine..the father of the American Revolution:
      Quote
      “No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.
      It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.”

      1. Dude can you please go troll somewhere else? No one wants you here, not one friggin person. You are the outcast, the one the owner of this blog keeps around for shits and giggles and nothing else. Why can’t you just kill yourself already….why can’t all 1 billion of you off yourself already boy? I blame the British for not ethnically cleansing you while they were in India.

      2. Paine is presuming that faith is an act essentially proportionate to natural evidence. But it is not: it is a mode of assenting to a reality that is disproportionate to the natural evidence, possible only because of a divine act. If God essentially transcends finite beings, then affirming any truth regarding the inner life of God will be possible only insofar as the created intellect is elevated by grace to affirm it, enabling the intellect to affirm a truth that it cannot reduce to natural first principles. Don’t know quite why this is a question in a conversation about ethnicity, but there it is anyway.

  4. Tribes of dark people who moved into Europe would die
    of a condition known as Rickets. They simply cannot survive
    because the women cannot give birth with the condition.
    White nationalists knew this 10,000 years ago.
    Now if only the UN would recognize white natural Europeans as the indigenous people of Europe maybe we could get some parity.

  5. I am not sure why people are so hung up on race… Race is nothing…its all about culture.
    I can understand many Indians…Hindu in particular who are more ethnocentric not by race but by culture.
    Its understandable… how one behaves under certain circumstances always trumps race.
    Someone posted here.. Now I can’t recall who….about the German christians drinking cocktail while listening to Wagner when they had so many dead bodies under their basement is pretty low culture. The same as someone eating Gorilla Paws (Another statement made here).
    So the sense of superiority felt by upper class/caste Indians has some logic…. not that I totally agree. But its an interesting view.

  6. I must be honest with you my caucasoid brothers. I hate you with every atom of my body. If I could annihilate every caucasoid and mongoloid on earth in one night, I would do so without loss of sleep. I have come to the realization that there is no God and that there is no hope. The Pinks, Browns and The Yellows are superior……..and I hate you for it. You committed the world’s greatest atrocities and then were blessed with not having to pay. If there is some kind of Omnipotent being out there in the universe, it is evil and only loves you.

  7. Caucasians didn’t directly come from Africa. The humanoids who left Africa around 100,000 years ago settled in Asia for about 70,000 years, they were only a small group, about 1,000… then grew and only 30,000 years ago people who left this group moved into Europe to become Caucasians and the people who stayed became modern day Asians.
    This is why there are over 4 billion Asians today as they’ve existed there for a very long time and only a little over 1 billion Caucasians. We’re the youngest race on Earth.
    If we came directly from Africans however, that means our ancestors would have had the same amount of time populate as Asians… so we likewise would be around 4 billion Caucasians today. But we’ve only had 30,000 years because we came from Asians… hence why Koreans, many Chinese and Japanese often look a little like Caucasians.

  8. This all is pure bull by Lindsay. This is not really a serious research.
    Black people have FLAT noses and very curly hair, sticken out buttocks and froggy eyes. Very peculiar features not found in any other races.
    Even after mixing with other races through generations, their offspring still show those features. One example we can find is on the african americans who have mixed through generations with whites. The result is an offspring that keeps all the physical features of the black race, but with a sligthly fairer, freckled White skin.
    The White race have mostly aquiline noses, blonde hair and blue eyes. they didn’t take those features by being albinos.
    What a ridiculous assertion by taking the albino pigmentation as a basic research on the evolution of the White race.
    Lindsay, go and take a shower and clean your brain before you ever make some fallacious claims !

  9. Im still digesting most of your article but I must say I am some what suprised to discover the caucasoid phenotype is so young not to mention the NE Asian Han Chinese phenotype.

  10. I have a blog addressing the Austroloid/Austronesian creators of the Shang dynasty who would be the early NE Asian type you allude to. http://hucipher.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/the-black-shang-theory-explained/
    Your research on the early inhabitants of NE Asia will help me to slightly retool & add to it.
    I am correct in assuming “haplotype” does not necessarily designate “phenotype”? Or is the consesus still out on this? You also seem to point out remains previously said to be Caucasoid are actually an Africoid type in flux or as you say proto Caucasian. It seems from your research the remains long regared as proto Mongoloid may be Africoids or Austroloids also. Is there no sure way of determining phenotype via dna?

    1. Shang Dynasty types may have been Negritos.
      Proto-Mongoloids were Ainuids, Melanesians and Negritos, all Australoids.
      35,000 YBP, the very first Caucasoids do not look like much of anything else, but they probably looked more like African Bushmen or Khoisanids than anything else.
      Proto-Caucasoids in South India (Dravidians) or North Africa (Mozabites) look awful dark, and the Mozabites look very odd – a Caucasoid-African mix is what they resemble.
      DNA is no clue to phenotype. For phenotype, you need skulls.

  11. Obviously a extreme ploitical cllege academian politically correct liberal…with all his ‘smart ass’ comments…..no, we caucasians aren’t surprised………we know we evolved from apes, and then early primitive black africans…..all that does is reenforces what all ‘non-politically correct- non-bias scholars know, is that whites are evaolutionary more advanced than blacks….you basically support that argument………logic would indicate thos humans less academic & more physically endowed, would be closer in evolution to lower mammals. By the way, having common DNA means little, as we share about 99% with Chimpanzees..all that means is an amixture…but in true bias political correct college professors (remember those he can achieve do…the others teach)…they will twist the truth to achieve their bias outlooks, and try so hard ‘to rub it in the whites face’..how childish & non-scientific

    1. and your comment isn’t childish and non scientific. Do you understand genetics? Do you understand nature would not make something that is inferior genetically dominant? Do you understand actual Caucasian and human history? the fact this fact disturbs you so much illustrates how ingrained racism is in our culture and society. This article simply states a simple fact. No one’s rubbing anything in anyone’s face. Its simple science and by the way chimps and humans share 98% dna and that whole 2 % points are huge. All Humans are 99.9% the same and 94% of that variation is between people from the same so called “race” and 6% is between the so called races ie: an West African has more in common genetically with a Western European than with a New Guinean although the African and New Guinean may look similar on the surface.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1416706/DNA-survey-finds-all-humans-are-99.9pc-the-same.html
      You only feel something has been rubbed in your face because you fancy yourself inherently superior than other darker skinned peoples. Your superiority stops at economic and educational privileged access. We turn the clock back 2000 years and all your advanced civilizations are in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. And parts of Europe close to Africa and the middle east ie: Greece, Macedonia and Rome. This points to a sharing and exchange of ideas. If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin. Europe wouldn’t have had to wait for Chinese gun powder & compasses, Islamic alchemy, boat technology and mapping skills and East Indian Mathematics to rise to the power they are today. The dawn of civilization would be in north western Europe not in East Africa and South Asia

        1. You are most definitely welcome Robert. One of the keys to ending racism is educating each other about the truth of each others history & cultures. This & the fact we all have the same great grand parents 500 generations or more ago hopefully will become common accepted knowledge. Keep up the great research.

      1. Yet another libtard.
        Right, Europeans did not invent anything. They all got by negroids and mongoloids.
        Who invented computers, cars, aeroplanes?
        Race is more than skin colour.

        “West African has more in common genetically with a Western European

        Proof or GTFO. By West African, do you mean negroid (black) or Arabid (caucasoid)?

        “so called “race””

        Dog breeds are social construct. German Shepherd and Chihuahua are same.

        1. Here we go with another smart idiot infering some who actually understands genetics, evolution & the human history is some how less intelligent because the truths are “uncomfortable” for them. You prove your idiocy by infering some how or some where I stated north western Europeans invented nothing-far from the truth their bloody brilliant inventors & innovaters but invented none of the rudiments of todays technology such as – that wheel racist like to brag about -not a European invention.
          Gun powder- no
          Advanced mathematics
          -no even the Greeks studied higher maths in Kemet then it diffussed through out Greco-Roman civilization while they apparently made innovations or used concepts like the arch more widely.
          North Western Europe didn’t get a higher mathematics until the Moorish conquest & their contact with Islam during the crusades
          Advance sails -no another islamic contribution
          The compass-no a Chinese contribution
          This is simply the truth not a derisive attack.
          Then you prove your a “conserver-tard” by asking if I mean negroes or Arabs when I say “West” African. ..ctfu ok let me breathe-im not even answering this one
          Then you compare human engineered dog breeds with homo sapiens sapiens
          Again proof you know little to nil about human evolution or genetics
          You blurt “Dog breeds are social contructs” like this tip of your rapier wit even challenges the belief that race is a social construction ? you gtfoh
          Im not arguing it is or is not anyway but the dog “breed” comparison is far from accurate-perhaps if humans had been genetically force breed by a guided hand for centuries this might be true but the fact the human brain is far more complex,containing an extra region for higher cognitive function which no mamal has-not our closest evolutionary cousins the Chimps or our best “Canidae” friends the dogs.
          Here is an interesting analysis of the “dog breed/human race comparison”
          http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/debunking_a_racialist_myth_about_the_genetic_variation_between_dog_breeds
          It in part states the genetic variation of dogs is:
          ”  65.1% of genetic variance was within dog breeds, 31.1% between breeds, and 3.8% between breed groups (they defined 10 different groups:  Spaniels, Retrievers, etc.)”
          For humans:
          ” humans shows that approximately 85% of variance is between individuals, 5% is between populations in the same racial group, and 10% is interracial (btw, this number is also close to the updated Fst measurement of Xing et al.).  The average FST distance between human races is approximately 0.15.”
          So we see in humans higher amounts of variation between individuals in the same group & far less between the so called races of man thus you have a Nigerian potentialy genetically closer to an Englishmen than a Khoisan tribesmen in South Africa
          The dog breed comparison is ill fitted for human population variation
          Before you attempt to insult some ones intelligence do some actual study of actual facts
          You want more proof that a West African has more in common with a Northwest European than he/she does than say an Aboriginal or other dark skinned people you like to think your more evolutionary advanced than then simply google it & “study” truth not what comforts your racistly miseducated cultural view.
          I usually don’t rake “conserver-tards” over coals like this but im just not in the mood to have those of clearly lesser understanding than me attack my intellect today

      2. “If Europeans were inherently intellectually superior you’d be digging up 3k yr old pyramids in Berlin”
        Well, there is Newgrange in Ireland plus the dolmens and then of course the British Isles have numerous stone circles. I’m not getting into any childish *superiority* arguments here…just thought I’d contribute this information.

        1. True their are some old artifacts but im actually talking about complex stone structures not mound Pyrimids that can be found in China, North America & elsewhere. In fact the oldest astronomically orientated monolithic structure is found in Napata-an area south of Nubia. Its far older than any Egyptian Pyrimid but i dont include it because just as the structures you mention they are not true Pyrimids. The stone astronomically aligned stone circles found in south Africa (so called adams calanders) are estimated to be at least 25k yrs old but again not pyramids. Im not actually pointing out an “im superior to you” argument by alluding to these archeological facts. I am defending the intellectuallb prowess of my ethnic group & challenging the assumption Europeans are innately intellectually superior by pointing these things out. I for one fully understand that if you place baby Einstein in a war torn urban gang turf he wont become a brilliant physicist but more than likely a brilliant Myers Lansky type gangster. This is simply the gist of my argument. Heridity plays a part in all things but i feel environment is the decisive molder of intelligence, culture & cognition. This is why im smarter than Justin Beiber but he dances & sings circles around me. According to genetic heratibility proponents this is an oxymoron. According to those of us with common sence this is a logical development of an orginism raised in a specific environment

  12. Robert, much of what you say and how you say it is flat wrong.
    1. The Africans in your photos above do not have Caucasian features. Rather, Caucasians have the features of those particular type of Africans.
    2. You say that the first Caucasians looked like Arabs. WRONG. What we think of as Arab today are really a “mulattoe” people. Originally Black and later whites/Turks-Asiatic intermixing. True Arabs – like the type seen in Yemen for example or in South Saudi or “Marsh Arabs” in Iraq are BLACK. – and often indistinguishable from many African populations.
    3. You believe that Whites “became” white from blacks. Wrong. White in animals is always a form of albinism (of which there are 4 different forms). Albino gorilla has pink skin and light eyes, albinos chimp has pink skin and light eyes, albino mice (lab mice) have pin skin and red eyes, etc……the original animals being dark/black. Thus, Whites are a variant of albino Black. You can’t provide proof of any intermediate stage of skin color, hair color, etc which would prove your theory. (the Ice Age vitamin D theory has been debunked and doesn’t make any logical sense).
    To see what whites are think: Dravidian “Black” Indian afflicted with albinism. Apparently a group of such people formed their own group, broke off and started intermarrying among themselves only. This took place somewhere in Northern India/ Middle Asia. This is where whites are from.
    see – realhistoryww.com – for a decent breakdown.

    1. No you are wrong. 13,000 YBP, Europeans looked like Arabs genetically and phenotypically. True Arabs of course are not Black people. European Whites did not come from albinism. That theory is just wrong.
      Also I am banning you for having a hostile tone.
      HAND!

  13. “No you are wrong. 13,000 YBP, Europeans looked like Arabs genetically and phenotypically. True Arabs of course are not Black people. European Whites did not come from albinism. That theory is just wrong.”
    Proofs ????
    The original inhabitants of the Arabian Penninsula were Black because they came directly from East Africa both from the North through the Levant/Gaza and the South – Across the Red Sea where narrow – (Somalia,Ethiopia, etc).
    Thus, the first Arabians were Black. They have never disappeared and are still there. See Yemen. The brown/tawny/yellow Arabs of which were are familiar by the media – are a mixture of the original inhabitants and later Caucasian tribes/Turks. But the Black ones have always been there (and coincidentally never/rarely shown in the media. See Libya for example. Quadaffi and his Sons are “mixed” Arabs. A base Black African Ancestry mixed with “white/whiter” infusions.
    Recent testing shows that Indians are Caucasian. (you discuss this). This is a Eurocentric view of things. The better way to phrase it is that Caucasians are a type of Indian. This is more accurate since Whites are the youngest of the races/groups. The first Indians are the extremely black Dravidians. Thus if Caucasians come from Indians – the only difference is that of pigmentation and melanin. In fact, Albino Dravidians and Pakistanis are indistinguishable from “White” people.
    In the animal kingdom, Nature appears to prefer dark (UV protection and better to hide and hunt) and lack of color is ALWAYS a form of Albinism or dergrees of Albinism.There are at least 4 forms of it – not only the customary one we see in media.
    (think: white lions, white mice, white alligators, white snakes, white chimps, gorillas – forms of albinism.)
    (ps: please don’t ban- I am not hostile – just overly eager some times
    I have proofs for my viewpoint, but you don’t provide proof for yours)

    1. Everyone was Black at first. Big deal. The Arabs stopped being Black a long time ago. Ancient Caucasoids arose in the Middle East region (Red Sea) 42,000 years ago. In the last 15,000 years at least, Arabia was all Caucasoid. The Blacks in Yemen and the Gulf were imported only recently, mostly as slaves. The Yemen Blacks came across recently in boats.
      Indians are Caucasoid on skulls and on some genetic tests.
      There is no evidence whatsoever that Caucasoids arose due to albinism.

      1. There is also no proof whatsoever that Homo Sapiens exterminated Neanderthals, that Homo Sapiens were smarter, larger, more numerous or propitious in propagation or that Caucasians are not Neanderthals which throws the entire time line of Homo Sapiens into disarray in a field they are now calling the Leaky Hypothesis.
        You also cannot account for Denisovan one version of which has been sequenced and is now touted as the progenitor of both Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal. If evolution is real then evolution itself accounts for any changes found over time in skull forms and bone density.

      2. I can see it clearly…Albanism as one of the possibilities of the origins of a people who attempt to invade everything and everywhere, and eliminate everyone but themselves from the face of the planet, whose culture is a mixture (hijacked) of everyone else’s culture, and nowhere on earth were they the first people to set foot on any land. All lands were already occupied by dark people by the time they arrive..which is why there are so many ‘ologies’ to try and explain their origin. Climate is surely a reason for pale skin which blisters in the sun, can’t stand heat and a nose thinned out to attempt to warm air to make it breathable (?sp). Pale eyes (which are a mutation) have difficulty in the sun and with bright colors..similar to snow blindness..right?
        Black people are the indigenous population everywhere on Earth..its the colonizers that try to say a Samoan is not African and an Olmec is not a Mayan’s parent, or in Papua New Guinea those people aren’t the same as slaves brought to the Americas. That is the illusion of ‘race’. Even though the history books tell you that the ‘discoverer’ of a foreign land was the 1st one there…9 times out of 10, there were already people there that didn’t come over on slave ships, but they looked the same as the slave with small variations due to climate and miscegenation. Whole populations of people were erased to create the illusion of ‘discovery’ and mask the horrors and atrocities of thieves, murderers and rapists.
        Someone asked about hair:
        Hair went from just covering the head in tight coils to long and straight to cover the body in damp forest-y and cold icy climates.
        Our Kinky hair is no longer utilitarian it is the most creative crown which has influenced hair fashion all over the world. Pre-colonial Africans always adorned their hair to the fascination of visitors from foreign lands who still to this day attempt to copy.
        Telling the truth can be so liberating for everyone, why is it such a difficult task?

        1. Why do savages constantly rewrite their history to make themselves look less loserly, and to make the whites look like savages, or thieves or rapists or whatever?
          You want to tell me that savages who never even invented the WHEEL could somehow develop seaworthy vessles and spread across the whole world?
          Or that we’re “inferior” because we are only 9% of the world’s population?
          As the minority of the world’s population, shouldn’t we be the beneficiaries of Welfare, Affirmative Action, etc.? Instead it seems to always be the “evil” whites who are tapped for resources, energy, MONEY, and skills to keep the savages alive–even as they try to wipe us out of one country after another!
          Yet who makes the best countries? Do savages try to pour into the Civilized World and ruin OUR countries, or do whites pour into savages’ countries and make them better?
          How many white countries have been overthrown by savages making themselves “at home” in their betters’ countries, by murdering their hosts. What do you think happened to the women once savages slaughtered the men?
          Tell me about Haiti, South Africa, Rhodesia, Kenya, Zaire, etc.
          Somehow you feel comfortable lecturing US about OUR atrocities, but if WE tell YOU about YOURS, that’s racist, right?
          TLDR: YOU are the savages, stop trying to make US look as bad as YOU because we kill a few of the things that kill us–but have to subsidize our own invasion!

  14. It has been proven thru DNA that all races other than Africans are mixed with Neanderthal. And that skin color adaption for better vitamin D production in low sunlight contitions was taken from the Neanderthal via interspecies mating and that hair type genes came along for the ride (real or full reason not yet know). This is the reason why the biological & anthropological books are being rewritten so that the Neanderthal is now to be viewed as a better looking more intelligent human cousin and not the sub human creature we were taught! Makes you wonder if the Neanderthal would of gotten a makeover if his genes were found in the Negroid race alone and not the others!?!? The exact opposite!

    1. In GMO experiments a single gene has been known to alter an entire organism. A single gene.

  15. It is just my honest opinion that
    & I’m just being honest here people.
    The Caucasian race resembles a cancerous plague that has infected the planet.
    The have festered on the European continent perfecting the art of war on each other & then set out across the waters to infect other cultures.y
    By invading & killing healthy cultures
    & replacing with mutated sick non pure people.
    In all of trans continental travel never have African history have such a conquest of worlds have been done …
    From what i have learned is yes you are a evil race & the European European union Must be destroyed!!!

    1. @Junebug;
      Erm , right…okay.
      So if there were no Europeans in existence then the people of Asia, Africa, South America and Australia would have been and would still be all lovey-dovey, peaceful, touchy-feely folks, never tw*tting eachother senseless; murdering; enslaving; invading; having their wee skirmishes and so on… right?
      Thought so 🙂
      I for one am very happy that Europeans exist as I love music that uses synthesisers (Kraftwerk, electro, etc…there would be no House music without the humble European synthesiser 🙂 ; hot and cold running water in the house: ballet; classical music; radio; telephones; homoeopathy; functioning infrastructures; rights for women, gays, etc; air travel; the list goes on.
      I wouldn’t say that Europeans are “an evil race” as that is a very bigoted and racist assertion. However, you are entitled to your beliefs, erroneous as they may be.

      1. Keep it Simple
        The Caucasian gene is a MADE Phenotype
        Grafted out of the ORIGINAL MAN, THE BLAC MAN OF AFRICAN
        FATHER OF CIVILIZATION AND ALL SCIENCES.
        Most carry the Rh Negative phenotype, spliced out of the neanderthal and manifested out cro-magnon and homo Sapien..
        Peace, Love, Truth, Light

    2. We’re not an evil race, we’re the peacemakers of the world.
      The only wars we’ve had are when others try to take what we built.
      What do you consider a “healthy” culture? The savages that breed every time they come into rut, then invade white countries when they FEEL whites aren’t giving them a big enough vig of our success, our food, our money.
      As to being destroyed, the savages nearly wiped each other out UNTIL whites came down and enforced peace. From the Shaka Zulu Genocide to the Rwandan Genocide, savages did a great job wiping each other out when whites were NOT there to referee, to keep them apart.
      As to sick&not pure, what do you call the Virgin Cleansing Myth? Raping a virgin to “cure” yourself of whatever ails you?
      If Europeans are an “evil race”, why do you use everything we invented, from the wheel to the Internet? Stay away from us! Stay out of our countries, our cities, our neighborhoods. Stop murdering us and stealing everything we built. Stop whining “racism” when we have to protect ourselves from your violence–sorry, “poor impulse control”

  16. Robert Lindsey, hmmm the name sounded very familiar then I realized I had read another article by you. The first one I ever read by you was about what its like to be a ‘genius’. I had recently taken an IQ test and decided to look up writers who are in my same IQ range and of course found you. And upon looking through my browsing history, I’ve found I’ve actually read quite a few of your articles. Anyways I thought that was strange because it seems like I often find myself on your site when Google searching things that pop into my mind. Maybe 147’s give off some kind of vibe? Lol anyways keep up the great work. I always enjoy reading your insights, sir.

    1. Always nice to meet a fellow genius LOL. Glad you love the site. Stick around if you wish. The comments sections are great.
      and if you think this website is valuable to you, please consider a <a href=”http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/contribute/>contribution to support the continuation of the site. Donations are the only thing that keep the site operating.

  17. Why could the truth not be that Neanderthal evolved from inter-special contact with homo sapiens becoming a hybrid which over time became more homo sapien than Neanderthal which would explain the extinction of Neanderthal by absorption into homo sapien and also account for the massive Neanderthal finds in Europe thereby proving the ancient belief that Caucasians were a separate race from all others while explaining why Caucasians were so much more advanced than other races and came to dominate so much of ancient history and the world?
    In genetic modification experiments a single gene, the equivalent of one percent of the total, can completely alter a species over time by setting off change reactions that accumulate turning it into something other than what it was entirely. If we believe in evolution and we have genetic science that proves this is possible then it must stand that it is possible that Caucasians are in fact Neanderthal.

  18. Could someone please tell me… when are the nasty niggers in Detroit going to “evolve” into good white people?

    1. When White Women in the US parade large penises in festivals through the town like they do in Japan.

  19. Its funny pale skin Caucasoid ppl think there Natural to this Earth lol .
    No Valor, No Honour in who you are…Nothing but lies and treachery lol

    1. Lies&treachery, huh? Is that like when savages invade white countries claiming loudly to be “Only There To Work”, then demand rights “equal” to their betters, then ultimately overthrow the country in an orgy of violence and theft?

  20. I have been described on those columns as a ‘nutty nordicist’. I have good news. Since those halcyon days, I have become even nuttier, and may now be safely described as a ‘nutty ATLANTEAN nordicist.’
    How I came to this state, is in itself quite interesting( at least to me).Learning to fly( in an aircraft) started the ball rolling.That led to navigation and an interest in the mixture-maxture, a veritable dog’s breakfast, of units of measurement…….. feet, metres, litres, gallons (imperial). gallons (US),miles (statute), miles (nautical), kilometres.
    The metric system is easy. Everything about it has has been recorded from its inception.
    But the rest…well, the plot thickens for a while, but the fog clears on the discovery that the multude of old units are in simple ratio to each other, all based around the humble inch and all relate to geodesy( earth measurement) and astronomical phenomena.
    What has this to do with the origin of Caucasians?( why are they called Caucasians?)
    Well, this. There is no sign of evolution or development of this system of measures…..no failed experiments….It just arrives out of the blue….360 degrees in the circle, 24hrs a day, each of sixty mins and each min of 60 secs……. like domestication of animals, agriculture and even ‘civilisation’. It all started so rapidly……. too rapidly, to have evolved.
    Somebody, somewhere, sometime had a blueprint in their head. Everything points to the existence of a previous civilisation…..and a maritime one at that.Why the obsession with the size and shape of the earth and units based on those phenomena, when they would be of little use, other than passing interest, to land-based, hunting ,nomadic societies?….but they would be of vital importance to a maritime trading civilisation…like one based on Atlantis.
    So did Atlantis exist? Maybe. Visit the excellent website…”In Quest of Atlantis”, byAmerican historian, Cedric Leonard. He has collected all the evidence and lays it before you, for you to decide for yourself…..as a respected and trustworthy, honest academic should do.
    Given there was an Atlantis , my theory goes like this.
    Albinism, a mutation, occurs spontaneously in black tribes. See them on you tube.Those freaks of nature( they look very like me, often red haired and freckled) are either killed or shunned by blacks and ‘outlawed’. They band together and form groups that just survive by using their wits and quitting the jungle where they are at a terrific disadvantage. But put them in boats where they can reach the safety of islands and ally them with dog and wolf packs and the picture changes. They can now survive provided the black man can’t get them. They even escape Africa, out to Atlantis, by island-hopping along the chain of islands that existed then. The cooler temperate climate with its lower light intensity suits them and unmolested and safe , they begin to adapt and thrive, and develop technologies associated with the interesting products of vulcanism. Far from eschewing those dangerous displays of the power of nature, they actively seek them out, for although there are risks involved, the benefits are greater, in the way of novel materials and markedly greater fertility of soil, whether cultivated or not.
    So much of the history and settlement of Europe by white , evolved and adapted Cro-magnon man , exercising his ‘ manifest destiny’….the conquest and enslavement of Europe’s indigenous neanderthals, becomes clearer…….and that migration came from the WEST. Not the East.
    Rubbish , you say, or words to that effect. Well you explain to me the paintings in the French caves, all in the WEST of France….the stone circles all up and down the WESTERN seaboard of Europe. How else is a civilised man to tell the time and run a calendar when he arrives cold and hungry, after a long sea-voyage, with only the clothes on his back and few tools?
    Then there are questions over the origins of the Picts and the Basques, a sea- going people who were making trips to the Newfoundland Grand Banks long before Columbus.
    From this, you guess that I am a white supremacist. That’s true to some extent. I don’t think it is entirely healthy to be a white inferioricist, or even a white sameicist. Nature is cruel. Give up on pride in yourself and you’re going to go the way of the Dodo. What if other races don’t harbour the same altruistic feelings as you tremendously-nice, ever-so civilised whiteys do?
    Did you know that only some five hundred years ago, all the whites in the world were to be found crammed into the western scrag end of Europe and north west Russia, under repeated assault from the rapid-breeding, neanderthal- mongrel middle east and the mongoloid nomadic hordes from the Asian Steppes? Not much talk about ‘white supremacy’ in those days.
    No USA, Canada or Australia in those days.
    Once again boats and ships were the hallmark and saviour of the white race.
    The British Isles were to become the home of Atlantis II.
    I enjoyed writing that. It makes me feel so much better about myself, now that there is a good chance that great-grand-dad, times 100, wasn’t a black that ventured into Europe, but was more likely a white, albinist mutant that was expelled from Africa by black Africans, and sailed the ocean blue to found Atlantis, the precursor to Babylon and Egypt.
    I just hope, that with time, this conjecture proves to be true.

    1. You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis because Caucasians and Neanderthal both invaded Africa and their genes are found in north Africans(Neanderthal) and a large portion of the African population for Caucasoid genetics but given the fact that for thousands of years white people have occupied Africa there is obviously thousands of years of admixture to account for the Albino gene.
      Picts, Phoenicians, Minoans and Early Egyptians along with all Sumerians were Caucasians and it have been proven by DNA not to even mention their own artwork and statements about their color and origins.

      1. “You simply cannot use the Albino gene hypothesis ”
        I think I can. There it is before you. It happens…and quite frequently. The only imponderables are…1)Does it happen often enough so that a band or clan might survive? and 2) What are the chances that they might have the brains to use water and islands for protection?..and recruit the use of the canine race as effective ears and noses as sentinels?
        Quite high, I would have thought, given enough time. Remember too that those proto white albinists would be very familiar with the ways of the blackman. They would have to look to their wits, and their wits only. Only the artful and ‘witty’ would survive.
        Any direct physical confrontation, with primitive weaponry, against the blacks was out of the question. The only possible realistic survival strategy would have been to run and hide.
        Think too on ‘white’ genes. They are all recessive ie inferior, to black ones. Why would that not be so unless albinism was a freak of nature, where by chance, multiple recessive genes have been brought together?
        Take the phenomenon of the white blackbird, or even partially white. It gets hunted down and persecuted as though it were an affront to nature.
        My theory and instinct says……but given enough mutants, they would band together, hold territory, and God willing , would mate and produce offspring……… in their own image.

        1. The gene is only recessive because it is caused by a vitamin deficiency which took root during the Ice Age as Caucasians(Neanderthal) live in caves and hunted at night. Once again proving that Caucasians are not a new race because they lost their skin pigmentation during the ice ages circa 12,000, 110,000 and 650,000 years ago.
          You can keep pretending that their is some relationship between African blacks and Caucasians if you want but science is quickly eliminating all your excuses and bizarro reasoning.

  21. I have read through Mr Lindsay’s theories( and they are THEORIES) of the origin of the white race, but find his rather convoluted narrative, replete with unexplained arcane terms, deeply flawed….in 5 ways.
    1) He mentions nothing about the changing geology,topography,climate and oceanography of the Earth.
    2) He ignores the effects of catastrophism, ie the deluge of circa 10,000 BC that nearly every culture and race refers to somewhere in its folk memory.
    3)He ignores the writings and speculations of those closer to that birth of white race……the Greek philospher Plato, and the story of the Egyptian priest Solon, which he passes on to us.
    4)He ignores the presence of whites on the American continents, North and South, and the increasing evidence that they migrated into the Pacific.
    5)He assumes that whites, somehow or other dropped, their black genes (and put on white jeans) and overnight, became double recessives on meeting a wee bit snow and ice and encountering short days with low light intensity, as they migrated north. Such a process whould take aeons of time to accomplish and would, according to the laws of chance, inevitably be imperfectly accomplished.
    ……..Yet, the phenomenon of albinism in blacks is there already, before your very eyes. Whole orphanages are filled with naturally-occurring recessive albinos.Allow me to play God for a couple of hundred years, and I speculate that there is a good chance that I could selectively breed a new white race….or something that had more than a passing resemblance to the present one.

  22. For the most part this blog has some very useful information, however it gets fuzzy with the continuous support of Darwin. What a ridiculous notion. About as ridiculous as all of the scholarly language, DNA codes, endless different names of peoples I’ve never heard of…a true science and study of what makes the races when it’s really quite simple. We will find there is no need to be so divided since we are are made of mostly the same substance. So ready to discount the ‘out of Africa’ origins of the modern human and so ready to come from an animal instead. tsk tsk
    First, how could humans evolve from apes if according to all this information the oldest humans in our history (not to be confused with ‘the’ history of the world-it’s cyclic not linear..contrary to…) are from Africa and that white people..white skin (melanin recessive) has not been around as long as Black skin has. The carbon content of black skin didn’t just happen from sun exposure. We formed just as the stars and the earth did. We contain the same makeup as the stars…we’re not apes, we’re more similar to planets. The oldest people in Africa don’t grow hair all over their bodies or faces. It makes no sense and Darwin’s theory has never been proven..the missing link is still missing. Why does anyone intelligent still teach it?
    Boo hoo, the Afrocentrics beat you up and kicked you out of their group..so what, can you blame Melanin Dominant people for being angry?? We’re sorry…does it bother you that we are a broken people that have never been fixed, especially because the breaking keeps going and seems to never stop. I think gritting your teeth and bearing it is the least anyone can do instead of getting belligerent when there are cries of pain from a people constantly being bombarded by a racist system…it goes beyond words and name calling. All you have to do is take a look at the comments in this blog. The hatred is rampant and takes on an almost sinister evil air… for no other reason than the disdain for the black people of the world.
    It’s funny how Middle Eastern people are considered ‘Caucasian’ NOW, but during the European invasion of India (aka SE Asia) in the 1500s, they discriminated against and mistreated the indigenous population just as is the custom now based on their black skin and even called them *ni66er as well. Same formula all over the world; Black people are already there when white people arrive from wherever they came from (obviously dissatisfied with what they had-they needed to take what others enjoyed as their home), they pretend to establish trade, then commence the art of war to divide the people and then conquer them. This from a previous comment:
    “Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white.”
    Similarly, the Chief Protector of Aborigines in Western Australia, A.O. Neville, wrote in an article for The West Australian in 1930:
    “Eliminate the full-blood and permit the white admixture to half-castes, and eventually the race will become white.”
    For someone to still make comments like “black people wouldn’t know what to do with themselves had it not been for white people”???…are people really still that ignorant?? The contributions that the first people one this planet made have yet to be matched by any civilization following. We haven’t evolved, we have devolved. The technology that created the great pyramids and megalithic structures left behind by our indigenous ancestors the world over were created before the Egyptian population became Caucasian….waay before, the technology of today can’t even match it. If, in fact the same Caucasians that some may credit modern technology with (even though all nationalities have contributed greatly to modern technology) built the pyramids…then with all of their money and neanderthal brains why can’t they recreate it now???
    Race is such a simple equation. The oldest humans of our period were black as carbon and walked upright and were not covered with hair and originated in a hot climate with plenty of lush, rich flora and fauna, air easy to breath so the nostrils could expand fully inhale deeply, feeding the brain and the body with ample fresh oxygen creating a constitution of wellness and strength.
    Agile, flexible bodies which worked well with nature so their eyes and teeth glowed as bright as stars and their mind as sharp as arrows and proceeded to build great civilizations on every continent…then the Neanderthals arrived, the cavemen from the Caucasus mountains, sick and diseased from lack of sun rich nutrients, high altitude freezing air struggling to warm itself through narrow nostrils, little oxygen to the brain…you know…sick. These peoples blended together and created all of the other variations of humans we see today. There was never an all white world…there was, however an all black world.
    If you research the history of Great Britain and Europe it will all become clear to you. It wouldn’t hurt to take a course or two of World Cultures Asia and World Cultures Africa…you, know…the ‘PC crap’ or the ‘anti-white’ college curriculum referenced by a few earlier commenters.
    All this other mumbo jumbo…big words, lots of new words to describe ancient people and their offspring, codes etc. etc. blah blah is just to keep up all of the confusion.

    1. We tried to fix the savages for about 500 years, then got tired of them not only biting the hands that fed, but wiping us completely out of one of our countries after another.
      Now we let them into our countries, give them special rights and privileges.
      Treating them as the animals they are, either putting them on a leash, in a cage, or wiping them out of our countries would be “racist”, right?
      Despite the obvious economic advantages of NOT having a permanent Welfare class, and of course, that protecting ourselves from these savages in EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNTRIES gets expensive, right?
      The only confusion is that which you and your supporters introduce. If there’s something that LOOKS like you, does not produce anything but more of itself, attacks your people, why wouldn’t you wipe it out, rather than coddling it and making excuses for its violence?
      “Aww, it’s too POOR to obey our rules!”
      “Violence is part of the savages’ CULTURE! We can’t take that from them!”

  23. You know, I have to thank you Robert Lindsay for posting this blog because throughout the conversation you can truly distinguish between the real ‘savages’ and those wanting a peaceful resolution and understanding of the phenomenon of “The Birth of the Caucasian Race”.
    All the Indigenous peoples of the world whose lands were stolen, resources robbed, cultures and families torn apart by this race…the amount of global damage is insurmountable, yet understanding their origins offers much clarity.
    We, the Melanin dominant oldest and wisest peoples of the world would do well to recognize the stunted growth of the youngest race on the Earth, and see them for what they truly are…a mutated form of infants on a rampage, selfish, disconnected from nature and all things spiritual with violent abusive tendencies.
    We should stop continuing to subscribe and react to all the divisions imposed on us by the conqueror of our lands and see ourselves as one, because we truly are. It’s a waste of energy and time…thereby stunting our own growth. The true minority (no matter what the skewed census statistics say) wants to keep us fighting against one another so that they, in their small numbers can ensure their existence on this planet. They are fighting for their very survival which is why they are so vicious. This viciousness when set upon peaceful peoples the world over is the reason for their collection of stolen resources and power. No one else in the world would ever dream of such brutality and devastation against any other people/animals/forests on the planet…they are the only ones who for the sake of greed and power are willing to destroy the very Earth they need for their own survival. That is the most extreme demonstration of blind desperation human history has ever known.
    I excuse you, Sam, Epgah and your other ‘lodge’ brothers and sisters, for you truly truly know not what you do…your days are numbered by your own short sighted design. Your disrespectful use of language and racial slurs against me and mine do nothing to disrupt my confidence that you will be your own undoing.
    Unlike you…I don’t have to preach about racial superiority nor create an entire distorted and twisted system to support that claim, killing millions in the wake.
    BE the change.

    1. What change? The Melanin-dominant are now invading and ruining the white countries around the world. We predicted such brutality and devastation because we saw it in their own failed countries.
      Hint : supremacism is about ruling over others, survivalism is about staying alive. If a group is worried about its disappearance due to mass-immigration and miscegenation, plus outright violence, then they are survivalists and not supremacists. Falsely accusing them of supremacism raises the suspicion that you don’t want them to survive.

  24. I need explained to me in a simple fashion, if the white peoples came from the deserts and suchlike, what made us leave the grass huts, explore, rule etc etc surely everyone with an iq over 10 just didn’t up sticks and decide to go somewhere cold ?

    1. Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps the search for resources like always when they explored?
      A desert environment would definitely force a population to do so, however I’m not sure.

  25. I really enjoyed reading this!!! But i wonder is it color thats dividing folk,,ignorance, ,or my personal pick, ,religion, ,,we are one people after all,,

  26. After reading thru this, wouldn’t it be most likely that the albinos from Africa were the first to be run out of their homes. This forcing them to migrate, due to fear for their lives. Shouldn’t this mean that the birth of racial prejudice was spurred from the very people who now wave the race card at every opportune time? Sort of seems to start holding true to the old saying ‘what goes around comes around’

  27. Caucasian people are the weakest genetics they tend to disappear. Look at mixing, when Caucasian mix with Asians, their children look Asians. Look at Bruce Lee, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? When Caucasian mix with Africans, their children look African. look at Obama, who on this earth can know he is partly Caucasian? Hate to analyze.

    1. That’s BS. There are also white-admixed who look predominantly white. Even mulattoes sometimes can have pretty much 100% blond, blue-eyed babies. Once, recently, a couple of mixed race had even twins that look like babies of different races.
      Some features will be genetically dominant. That just means that just one allele will make it visible in the phenotype, not that the genes are “weak” and “disappear”. This is exactly the same sort of BS white racists say to try to argue that it’s important to avoid race-mixing, only switching the race one thinks is superior.

  28. Do you think Indians are closer to blacks than Europeans?
    Have you heard of the “Melanin theory”? Promulgated by black nationalists, it says that melanin is where the human soul resides. Darker-skinned people including Africans, Arabs, Indians and S.South East Asian people have this pigment in abundance which makes them far more empathetic, feelings oriented and sensitive. The same qualities explain why these races are lazy, shiftless and hypersexual.
    Whereas white people and North East Asians, because of their lack of melanin, just cannot “feel” the way darkies do. This makes them cruel, naturally aggressive, vengeful, blood-thirsty…basically the spitting image of Viking warriors. On the positive side, absence of feelings and emotions makes these melanin-deficients inventive, hard-working, efficient, creative with a much greater ability to keep their sexual impulses in control. This may have some truth, both men and women in darkie nations constantly think of sex. Whites are a lot more subdued, can do without it.
    Italians and Spaniards are an exception, being slightly darker compared to other Europeans, they have more human like qualities.

    1. Apparently there is nothing scientific to this theory at all, but that won’t stop the antiscientific Black nationalists from parroting it.
      Indians are no closer to Blacks than any other Caucasians are. The only Caucasians that are closer to Blacks than the rest are Arabs and especially North Africans.

    2. That’s actually quite backwords, for I have read quite a lot of African ethnograoghy and trust me when I say that “darkies” don’t lack in Blood-thirstiness.

    3. SHI I agree to some extent that some gene leads tropical people to be less productive, more sexual and shiftless (This more a time/consequence continuum instinct than sheer laziness). The sole reason that whites and Northeast Asians are able to prosper is that they produce less children through random acts of lust and these children receive greater parental investment. Poor rural whites are poor because they have children at an early age and far too many of them which keeps them mired in poverty-that’s the difference between “rednecks” and middle-class whites (Anybody who believes we will win by demographically competing with NAMS is an idiot).
      Poor whites
      I’m not sure about Arabs and Jews. They have a fairly high-aptitude for trade, study and discipline as a result of emerging from the harsh desert landscape.
      Whites are able to compartmentalize their emotions to a degree that NAMS are not able. Partly a longer time/consequence frame ie if I shoot this man for calling my mother a name I will die in prison and my kids will never go to college. NAMS are ruled by their emotions.
      Italians and Spanish initiated large-scale colonization beginning with Columbus-Vikings might have had a few rude huts up in Nova Scotia for a single season before the Natives told them to shove off but it was Mediterraneans who started the age of discovery.

    4. The melanin theory is correct but it’s not correct that Whites don’t have melanin. We keep it in our ass so it’s harder to see. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  29. “Caucasians and NE Asians are also quite close, but not nearly as close as Caucasians and Africans.”
    Fst (Europeans and Africans) = .153 contrasted with Fst (Europeans and Japanese) = .111; the latter was corroborated by the late Henry Harpending (RIP) who found that the French-Japanese Fst value was .12. (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005472#s2)
    Perhaps there are data backing your assertion as well, but it seems to me that either A) Europeans are closer to Asians than to Africans, or B) the jury is still out on this one. Perhaps you meant to say that Asians are farther from Africans than we are, which is true.
    In any case I highly doubt that any two H sapiens subspecies are going to be subject even to Haldane’s Rule anytime soon. IIRC it typically takes two million years for primate lineages to begin to lose interfertility.

  30. It’s always good to learn the origin of your people, though I still don’t get the dark skinned people with caucasian facial features of the Indian Subcontinent, are they mostly caucasian or something else?

  31. Eurasia is a continent so naturally Asians and Europeans cluster nearer in DNA than to people from other continents.

  32. All right moron. Nigga, I am banning your Black ass, ok? Back to corner with you now to sell more crack. Your babymama is waiting there for you. The welfare check came today! It’s your lucky day, homes!

  33. Hello I am a researcher & an artist… I learned & found out that I am from both parents half white Caucasian & half white central Asian TURKISH…I have red hair eyebrows in my dark eyebrows, & I have blonde hair among my beard under my lower lip also I have redish light-brownish BLOND(e)ish Mostaush…I have white pale skin, my face is tanned with light redish pigments, my arms hands are tanned with redish pigments & purplish pigmentation…My chest is redish tanned like james Bond sun tanned skin…I find genetics science very interesting & fascinating…Mete han

  34. “…All humans had dark skin until 10,000 years ago. What birthed light skin? The glaciers…”
    This is obviously wrong because the glaciers started breaking up around 12,000 years ago. Most likely from a cataclysmic impact with a comet in North America. That means the Ice was before 12,000 years ago for at least 90,000 years. From wikipedia,”…The last glacial period, popularly known as the Ice Age, was the most recent glacial period, which occurred from c. 110,000 to 12,000 years ago…”. So by your own reckoning that the last ice age glaciers caused Whiteness, of which I don’t agree or disagree, then Whites have been White for a lot longer than 10,000 years. Why would Whites become White AFTER the ice age glacier break up?
    Look at this video,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8
    at around 13:31 and see the graph of temperature shooting up abruptly. The graph is based on oxygen isotopes and is directly related to temperature. This was a rapid heating then the rapid cooling Younger Dryas then rapid heating to todays temp..
    Anyone who is interested in the history of the Earth should watch the video above. It is really outstanding. Major interesting. Super good.

    1. SAM J Egyptians in this day and age are Arabs so who is to assume that they were not Arabs or ancient Jews at the time the pyramids were built?
      As for Africans having a civilization or not, how is it relevant?
      I doubt that NAMS care much about Rome, Greece, Magna Carta or anything else about European history-why would I care much about theirs since clearly North America follows Anglo-Saxon legal customs.

    2. Well more context should be added. What’s more accurate is that Skin has been, relative to Modern whites, “darker”.
      http://www.unz.com/gnxp/our-magnificent-bastard-race/#comments
      Also, while “Europeans” have existed for a good while, the people that make up modern ones in Europe existed outside of it. The Hunter Gatherer groups from 40,000-30,000 contributed little if any component. The furthest significant HG component goes back only 15,000.
      “And, perhaps more importantly, the typical phenotype of Northern Europeans probably really coalesced only around ~5,000 years ago.”
      Technically being dark skin cold work in the could, think Himilayans or Inuit.
      “Mitochondrial DNA analysis places the early European population as sister group to the Asian groups, dating the divergence to some 50,000 years ago.[37] The very light skin tone found in modern Northern Europeans is a relatively recent phenomenon,[38] and may have appeared in the European line as recently as 6 to 12 thousand years ago, indicating Cro-Magnons had brown skin.[39] Sequencing of finds of the late post-ice-age hunter-gatherer populations in Europe indicate that some Cro-Magnons likely had blue eyes and dark hair, and an “olive” complexion.[40][41] A small ivory bust of a man found at Dolní Věstonice and dated to 26,000 years indicates the Cro-Magnons had straight hair, though the somewhat later Venus of Brassempouy may show wavy or curly hair, possibly braided.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon#Physical_attributes
      So on average they were basically olive. However sincxe a decent chunk (70%) of skin alleles comes from Neanderthals, at least some were white. They may’ve been darker due to “their” Europe experiencing a warming due to a change in the earth’s tilt. I believe this was the same thing that caused the Sahara Desert to begin forming, as it was once Green as well.

      1. @Phil, You know more about genetics than I’ll ever know. It bores me but I read a little of it. Mostly what bores me is genetic taxonomy which is what we’re talking about. I’m skeptical of a lot of genetic research as so much of academia is anti-White so forgive me if I say that I’m not convinced they’re not lying. Do they know exactly what genes cause White skin and have they tested for that on 10,000…20,000…30,000…40,000 year old corpses?
        One of the advantages of White skin in the cold is it gives off less heat than Black skin. Bad in the tropics.
        Also I tend to follow common senses in a lot of things which may be wrong but has a fairly high threshold for being correct. If Whiteness is caused by living in the cold and the Ice Age lasted 100,000 years then why would the genes for Whiteness pop up when the Ice Age ends? Not very sensical. Hence they may be lying. Remember the Jews lied about “The Mismeasurement of Man” book by Gould for decades.
        I’ll have to read more of the link tomorrow.
        Phil I know that video I linked is way long but it’s super interesting if you interested in the Ice Age and what happened. It’s very good. I don’t believe or necessarily believe some of Grahms stuff that’s sacred geometry and all that mess but on temperatures and mass extinctions he and Randall are excellent and backed by good multiple overlapping science.

        1. The European climate is still cool enough that light skin would not be a disadvantage, and would still be an advantage in, say, Scandinavia. So natural selection would not weed it out. And then there is sexual selection. People started to prefer it aesthetically, which is true all over the world to this day.

        2. To Matt,
          I believe that actually. I believe it has something to do with health deficiets being easier to spot, so if you;re blonde and overall healthy you would be particularly attractive.

      2. I actually noticed this, I actually keep that in mind when looking at these papers, though I could provide some context. Yes, the sources likely were from corpses from dated remains, but there should be some context to the phenotype.
        Keep in mind, even today in Europe there is a gradient in skin tone. So basically ones should expect that the same would apply to different geographical Cromagnons. Look up “olive” and notice the variety you get, multiple shades exist.
        Keep in mind, Cromagnons haven’t arrived til 40,000 into Europe’s history coming through the middle east on top of arriving during a warming period. This would’ve lead them to eventually have conquer neanderthals, who would’ve been likely pale due to being there longer. Still, Europe was still cold so light skin would be selected for.
        I’ll get back at you later about this, but currently I’m busy. What I can say though is that Most phenotypes today are recent.
        MANY……https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asselar_man So you weren’t at any point a negroid despite what many say.

      3. So to explain it, think of it like this as “shade” and “pigment”. Pigment would be the base gene where you would have an average that has a variety of colors, them being the “shades”.
        You can recreate similar “shades” using different base “pigments”.

    3. Trash you’re a batshit insane Jew. I didn’t say anything about Jews or Egyptians or any of that in the post. You’re too fucking stupid to talk to.

    4. Actually extremely pale skin is only 6k to 8k years old. Pale skin in Europeans evolved in different stages & evolved differently in different parts of Europe(northern to central to southern)
      No doubt the ice age with its year round dark & gloomy climate contributed to the evolution of lighter skin but I myself was a bit amazed to learn that extremely pale skin evolved due to farming. Farming obviously couldn’t develope until the last ice age glaciers receded & most research points to agriculture developing in Eurasia (were most if not all domesticated grains & animals originate) about 9k years old. This coincides with the genetic chronology of pale skin developing about 8k yrs ago.
      Its broken down in more detail here:
      http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210056/White-Europeans-evolved-5-500-years-ago-food-habits-changed.html
      In fact remains have been found of an ancient European with dark African skin & blue eyes
      (his gene had markers for the alleles found in African skin)
      http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25885519
      This is man whose remains were found in Spain was truly in an adaptive flux between Africoid & Caucasoid

        1. I’m responding to your Egypt comment here because I could not reply to your response
          Well I never wrote any % of Caucasoid or Africoid in dynastic Egyptians would be humiliating. If the word humiliating is in one of my post its a typo
          Also I never argued that “all” dynastic Egyptians were Black.
          My argument is that Egypt began as a Black African civilization that soon took on Eurasian elements increasingly over its 4000 year history. We see the change in population demographics in America just our short 250 plus yrs. Magnify that by 4000 yrs.
          Saying that I have to say it’s a well known “belief” in mainstream Eurocentric circles that Egyptians were olive skin Caucasians.
          For those of us exposed to previous & the most recent academic resesrch one has to ignore DNA & contemporary descriptions to negate the African presence in Egypt (or relegate it to a genetic contribution of 13%)
          The same people that accepted iGenea’s falsified DNA results with out challenge now attack the legitimate results of a peer reviewed labs results because they agree with an Afrocentric view of Egypt.
          If Africans in America can range in phenotype from Rhianna,Drake,Jada Smith,Wesly Snipes, Kanye West to Tyga then why is it impossible for Africans to have the same range of phenotype in a north East African country that was immigrated to & conquered for 1000’s of years?

        2. To Hucipher,
          One, see my reply,
          Second you do now that level of admixture could result in Phenotypical variance In African Americans, right? Not Just in Black to white ratio, but also White to Black.
          The Oldest Modern “Black” population found was in the Central Sahara who eventually mixed with In coming Pastrolists from, you guessed it, Asia via NE Africa.
          The oldest skull with Semblance to Negroid were fround In modern Sudan, not Egypt itself.
          Thus the population that would precede it would be the Caspian expanders.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/cro-magnon-man-in-europe-and-africa/
          Third, here’s the Hamitic union post.
          http://hamiticunion.proboards.com/thread/38

    5. Oh to clarify the farming connection to White skin(for those who may have not read the links)…farming Introduced alternative food sources that lacked the vitamin D content contained in wild fish & game that hunter gatherers & nomads eat. Vitamin D is processed by our bodies through our skin from the sun & is vital to humans,especially for child bearing women( probably why the female in most races tends to be lighter skinned than the male from the same tribe or ethnic group)
      This is why Eskimo people have lived in sub arctic climes for milenia but are dark skinned still. Eskimos still eat wild game full of vitamin D content so no need for their skin to lighten up to absorb extra vitamin D from sunlight. Farming didn’t reach southern Europe until about 7k or 9k years ago & as Ive said science points to White skin developing after agriculture fully took hold Europe wide.

  35. The same seems to be true of the poor screwed people in the sticks who believe they could somehow convince NAMS to start listening to Lynrd Skynrd or throw over their lucrative underground economy for honest labor or stop gang-banging to join 4H club.
    NAMS are going to grease one another in the ghetto no matter what.
    Oh, and every JOOO swilling his brown out of a booze on the stoops of his Brooklyn one-room apartment is committed to the destruction of his country.
    They have not succeeded in doing so to us Northeast whites yet but represent a grave threat to Anglos far into the interior.
    To believe Tyrone the Bone or Tony Montana would really want to leave the urban epicenter of their economy to drive rural whites off the land to seize their property by force seems is really quite funny.
    A 40 mile supply chain complete with K rations/tents/communication lines/barracks so that NAMS could kill every rural white that lives in the sticks.
    If the government were going to seize the firearms of white duck-hunters why would they not also seize the illegal handguns of NAMS?
    Perhaps NAMS would outlaw cowboy boots and Stetson Hats and bolo ties and force everyone to walk around in long black leather coats with saggy jeans when they took over the place.
    Canada would have a serious immigration problem wouldn’t it? Rural whites might even start sneaking into Mexico!

  36. I looked the guy up who did this “scientific” reconstruction. Ha what a putz. He’s the same guy who did the “scientific” hack job reconstruction of Jesus. Total bullshit. Not to mention the whole thing is “based on fragments”. It’s total bullshit and just made up from whole cloth. The Judea lies again.

    1. Jesus was totally a fucking Nord living in modern day Palestine.
      Blonde hair, blue eyes, the works.
      Fucking grow up.

    1. “It is thought that the mummies were buried around 1,500 years ago, between the 1st and 7th Century AD, when Egypt was controlled by the Roman and Byzantine Empire.”
      Not surprise a lot of these mummies had traditionally Caucasian traits. Still red & blonde hair are rare in Southern Europe & North Africa so these like Ptolemaic Egyptians were immigrants or defended in whole or in part from immigrants
      Nether the less a million mummies is an incredible find. I will have to follow up on this to see what else has been divined from that discovery

      1. Just to point out those blonde & red haired mummies were found in a mass grave badly mummified indicating they were common folk from the lower classes. As for Macedonia in general I’m not sure if the blonde phenotype dominated the upper classes any more than it was found amongst the commoners but I do know these traits were spread through out the Arab/Islamic nobility via sex slaves obtained primarily from Slavic tribes thus the root word for slave – sclavus-esclave- Slav. The Arab word for these slaves was Saqaliba https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba
        As for Egypt’s 4000 year history filled with migration invasion & conquest I think it understandable the phenotype changed radically over this very long period. Greece & Rome ruled Egypt for about 1000 yrs collectively so they most defently migrated & Rome being especially cosmopolitan & diverse likely imported Germanic types from the Northern parts of their empire. In an older Independent Egypt Its possible pharoahs & noble men seeing golden haired & sapphire eyed people & simply having to have them as wives,concubines or even members of the guard. These traits then would become part of nobility as children are born of these unions.
        I’m not sure how many blondes & gingers were found in that Egyptian grave but I do know up until that discovery very few as in about 4 or 5 had been known to be found.
        I always like to use the country of Khazakstan as an example of populations merging & changing in appearance
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs
        The people look Mongoloid or a good mixture of Caucasian & Mongoloid traits. The artifacts found there look Germanic or Keltic & in fact this was the homeland of the ancient Scythian people.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians
        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_X9pjnRZZJKA/TPidM20G5iI/AAAAAAAAEjU/c_c5bgOccQU/s800/kuloba_bracelet.jpg
        The Mongoloid traits were introduced by the Khans when they invaded that central Eurasian land just as the Hyskos,Persians,Greeks,Romans & the Arabs introduced Caucasian traits into Egypt

      2. Interesting, thanks.
        However, I disagree that the migration changed the phenotype, at least with the common people. I can buy the Royalty though.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/the-faces-of-ancient-egypt/
        Now Keep in mind, I’m not arguing that they were “White” in The European sense but rather a form of Caucasian. Though I do acknowledge The Nubian’s presence and influence.
        http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/08/the-king-tut-dna-story/#.V8az5k0rLnA

        1. Incredible collection of pictures in that Matilda link. I will have to save it in my favorites section on my browser. Having said that I ask is recent DNA evidence specifically from DNA Tribes moot to you? Are you familiar with it. I address it & other aspects of the Ancient Egyptian Ethnicity debate here https://hucipher.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/the-afroeuro-centric-ancient-egypt-debate/
          DNA Tribes tested Amarna period mummies and found them to contain primarily sub Saharan DNA.
          As an Afro American I probably have any where from 10% to 30% European DNA yet few with sight would argue I’m anything but a Black African.
          Biracial Obama visually & socially is Black.
          I understand the dynamics at play but still find it amusing(& at time frustrating) that so much is done to distance ancient Egypt from Africa even inspite of what contemporary eye witnesses like Herodotus & Diodorus stated they saw.
          The pictures from the Matilda link show a radical change in phenotype. Not saying the Caucasoid phenotype was never present but clearly you can see as the pictures display the phenotype becomes increasingly more Caucasoid as more & more Caucasoids conquered & invaded Egypt…Again I think its strikingly clear from just the sequence of pictures Matilda posted
          As for the link speaking to the R dna found in Tut by that Swedish company. It’d been long discovered to be a hoax
          http://www.livescience.com/15388-discovery-channel-tutankhamen-dna.html

        2. PHIL Nubian people are primarily in the South and have produced Aswad the President who negotiated the peace accord between Israel and Egypt (Lou Gossett Jn played him in a film).
          But Egyptians are Arab in Cairo.

        3. PHIL Barring a minute amount of Greek blood in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria which is only a few hundred miles South of Crete and was a Greek settlement there is very little white blood in Egypt. There is very little Greek blood in those folks, for that matter.
          It is Arabic. Nubian people live far to the South of the country. However President Aswad (Played by African-American actor Lou Gossett Jn in the film about his life) was Nubian and possibly the most influential man in Egypt in the late 20th Century so Nubian people are not without influence in Egyptian history.

        4. Hucipher, why is it humiliating for the Dynastic Egyptians to be 13% Black. It’s well known that the Dynastics were a Middle Eastern Caucasoid people with olive skin and Asiatic eyes who look not much like any race today except some Egyptians who still have the look. However, this group was mulattized to some extent, being 87% this odd Caucasoid and 13% Black. So the Dynastics were a partly Black people similar to a lot of Arabs and North Africans. Why must the Dynastics be all Black? What’s wrong with being a little bit Black? I do not understand why Afrocentrists are not happy with 13% Black. It has to be 100%.
          The Dynastic phenotype in Egypt today is Caucasoid, but they are some of the strangest looking Caucasoids you have ever seen. They don’t look like much of anyone, though if you think about it, maybe some Gulf Arabs, Southern Italians, Southern Spaniards and other Meds may look something like this. Dynastic Egyptians today probably look more like Arabians (non African Arabs) than anyone else.

        5. The issue with the Amarna studies has been discussed at the Hamiticunion site, basically that the raw data wasn’t replicated it other studies. Also the study used limited Loci to accurately trace the affinity of their ancestry.
          I’m currently on a connection that doesn’t allow me to to link that, but I could later though.
          YOU say it’s striking clear, so actually explain why it is and exactly what “Black” population reference would you be comparing it too?
          Any Black population it could resemble would be partially black population from East Africa, Blacks with significant ancestry from Eurasia.
          As for Herodotus, She has covered that as well.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/ancient-descriptions-of-ancient-egyptians/
          Well my article regarding Tut wan’t suppossed to use the R to determine anything about is ancestry as a whole, it actually argue the exactl opposite.
          Again, more on the history of ancient Egypt’s continuity.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/further-analysis-of-the-population-history-of-ancient-egyptians/
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/another-ancient-egyptian-cranial-study/
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/limb-length-in-ancient-and-modern-egyptians-compared/
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/ancient-egyptian-teeth/

        6. It’s because Afrocentrics have a serious Inferiority Complex and want to (over)compensate for it with a Walter Mitty Complex.
          If Egypt was indeed an ALL-Black country, then that gives Blacks an historical civilization–an achievement–to point to. They can pretend that the Africans weren’t all primitive savages until civilization was forced down their throats. They were just as civilized as everyone else.
          HOWEVER such conceit requires magically spreading Egypt’s advancement to ALL of Africa. From there, it’s not even a step, more like a shuffle to claim that somehow Africans were just as advanced as everyone else–like your earlier article pointing out about the “miracle” of developing ironworking without Bronze Age in between?–and claim that the Civilized World destroyed the savages’ “civilization” so thoroughly, that neither ashes nor records remain.
          TLDR: “We Wuz Kangs” is a subset of blaming whites for Blacks’ lack of development. A much larger form than Jason’s sophistry about single-parent families, but similar goal in mind: Assuage the Bad Feels for never growing up and make it somehow not their fault, their development was stunted by outside forces, rather than their own lack.

        7. Well a comentary from blog board does little to refute genetic evidence from an accredited lab.
          Mathilda’s site is thorough in some regards but again its a blog & filled with opinion & viewpoint from an Eurocentric anthropological lens. Mathilda’s Melanchroe argument is an example of this. Mathilda is telling you either Herodotus did not see what he saw or he did not say what he meant to say and or all subsequent translations by linguistic experts of this specific word are wrong.
          That’s a helluva stretch
          The Academic translation of
          Melanchroes=black skinned
          You have the term
          Phrenychroes=brown or red skinned and
          Leucochroes=leucochroes fair or white skinned
          So I’d think if Herodotus meant light,tan or brown skinned he’d have used the appropriate word.
          Ethiopian means “burnt face“ its not a term for skin color but it was originally used for the Kushite people’s of Africa & has become synonymous with Black African people thus Black skin. In Herodotus’s time he would not use a word for another tribe to describe who he new to be Egyptians nor would he use a term not for skin to describe the color of skin. In my opinion her argument falls flat here.
          It seems most Europeans & non Afro Americans think Ancient Africans could only look one way & for some reason the Will Smith,Drake,Beyonce,Pharell Williams phenotypes are a unique post colonial era new world, American phenom. What the genetic evidence suggest is that this is not so. Again if DNA tribes results are only being refuted by arm chair geneticist on blogs( some of the same people who never contested iGenea’s blatant hoax) but one see no academics contesting the results I my self have to side with the academics

        8. Oh & just to clarify unlike my old & bitter adversary EPAGH infers I am in no way arguing “ALL” Egyptians were Black. What I am arguing is that yes Egypt’s phenotype changed over its 4000 yr history & many Black Egyptians had Eurasian DNA just as I & most Afro Americans do.
          The modern Egyptian haplo group is a sub clad of E (E1b1b1a)
          or E-V68 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68
          This sub clad like its parent E originated in Africa & is prevelant through out Black Africa as well. In fact the haplo group I belong to is E-V38 or E1b1a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38
          As you see these halpo groups are related with E-V38 being slightly older
          So what does that mean? Well my phenotype is obvious & the majority of pure(or say more pure) halpo group E members are Black Africans and as we said E & all its sub clads originated in Africa 60k to 40k years ago. This is long before the Caucasoid phenotype existed & nevertheless the haplo group originated in Africa unlike haplo groups K,G,J & R y DNA that are found in Arabs,Egyptians & North Africans. These obviously contribute to their Caucasian phenotype. The E y DNA is from their “Black” ancient Egyptian ancestors.

        9. Except
          A, I presented proof that the lab results leave little to be desired due to analysis of the procedure and lack of replication of said results.
          B. Mathilda didn;t just rely on opinions regarding North Africand and Egyptians in particular, she referenced actual studies as well.
          C. You actually confused her arguement of terminology. First, the word didn’t mean “Black skinned”, it mean “black” in general and pointed out it meant something different (bronze to Black) when applied to skin color. With this in mind, between a caucasoid Egyptian Phenotype would still fit under such a description.
          Also, no, her argument doesn’t fall flat with Herodotus not using Ethiopian because She made the point of how Colchians were alluded to in terms of semblance rather than Ethiopians.
          As well, she mentioned of how Ethiopians in appearance were separated from Egyptians in skin tone.
          D. Again, you are suing an apples and orange comparison with Black Americans versus your “Black Egyptians”. These phenotype range I have already explain is due to Blacks in the New World having white admixture ON TOP of being mixed with different African ethnicities from different regions.
          When it comes to East Africa the only “Negorid” from different regions of Nilotics/Nilosaharans and Bantu.
          These two groups, Nilosaharan in particular, have shown significant admxiture.
          http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-mota-mistake.html
          http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

        10. You stated you could not post the “proof” you cited from that Hamiticunin site(or something close to that…sorry for the misspell) so to be fair I will gladly read it when you can but what I haven’t seen are geneticist & other genetic labs refute the DNA Tribes Armana results in an accredited paper or from an accredited source the way they came out against iGenea’s blatant fraud. So what I’m asking for is an academic debunking of the Armana DNA test. I could site Afro Centric sources all day but I do not. Why? Well because I know they too are biased. I seem Afro centric to the Eurocentric the way something in the middle seems right askew from some one looking at it from the far left.
          As for haplo group E. Not only I but much of WestcAfrica

        11. I said I couldn’t at the moment but I actually did post the link in your reply to Robert in another thread, I’m now on a different connection.
          Yes, “E” does cover West Africa but E V68 Highest Frequencies Were with Egypt, West Asian, and Europe.
          I’ll give you this though, I appreciate that you acknowledge bias on behalf of Afrocentrics.
          A

        12. You stated you could not post the “proof” you cited from that Hamiticunin site(or something close to that…sorry for the misspell) so to be fair I will gladly read it when you can but what I haven’t seen are geneticist & other genetic labs refute the DNA Tribes Armana results in an accredited paper or from an accredited source the way they came out against iGenea’s blatant fraud. So what I’m asking for is an academic debunking of the Armana DNA test. I could site Afro Centric sources all day but I do not. Why? Well because I know they too are biased. I seem Afro centric to the Eurocentric the way something in the middle seems right askew from some one looking at it from the far left.
          As for haplo group E. Not only I but much of West Africa fall under this haplo group so you can’t say my E y dna comes from my European blood. This is a map of the migration route of haplo group E.
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mn/d/d5/Ydna-migration-map.jpg
          As you can see E originates in East Africa & finds its way North & eventually West Africa.
          Quote: “Most members of haplogroup E-M96 belong to one of its identified subclades, and the E-M96(xE-P147, E-M75) is rare. E1a and E-M75 are found almost exclusively in Africa.”
          As for my particular sub clad
          “E-V38 is the most prevalent subclade of E in Africa. It is observed at high frequencies in all African regions”
          Yes Wikipedia states a study from 1997 stating “possible origins” in Asia but one reason I like these threads is that i learn about more new & more recent research like the million mummy discovery so I’ll site a more recent source
          Quote:
          Haplogroup E
          “Haplogroup E is an African lineage. It is currently believed that this haplogroup dispersed south from northern Africa with the Bantu agricultural expansion. E is also the most common lineage among African Americans. It is a diverse haplogroup with many branches and is found distributed throughout Africa today. It is also found at a very low frequency in North Africa and the Middle East.”
          https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/haplogroups-snps/geographic-historic-origin-y-dna-haplogroup/
          Nevertheless a possible Asian origin doesn’t negate the fact macro group E
          Has extremely high frequencies through out Black Africa including the West Africa
          Distribution_of_haplogroup_e1b1a_in_Rosa_2007
          This is the DNA.
          Also you must realize groups of ancient man traveled far wider than we moderns assume & inter group admixture occurred at higher frequency than some assume. I mean modern Egyptians are a hodge lodge of E,G,J & R for a reason. This is admixture, miscegenation the same thing that gives me my average of 16.7% European dna

        13. Again, I’ve already posted you the link, but in another thread. But find, here it is.
          http://hamiticunion.proboards.com/thread/38
          BTW they actually reference academic research, particularly with the inconsistency of the results and the large margin of error associated with the study using limited Loci.
          Second the Haplotype you’re talking about is E-V38, not the Egyptian E-V68
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68
          “E-M78 is widely distributed in North Africa, Horn of Africa, West Asia (stretching as far as Southern Asia), and Europe.[2][6]
          The most basal and rare E-M78* paragroup has been found at its highest frequencies in Egyptians from the Gurna Oasis (5.88%), with lower frequencies also observed in Moroccan Arabs, Sardinians, the Balkans, and Andalusians from Huelva.[2][3][11]”

        14. “…As for the link speaking to the R dna found in Tut by that Swedish company. It’d been long discovered to be a hoax…”
          The guy saying it’s hoax is (((Albert Zink))) you can;t believe a damn thing Jew say.
          Zahi Hawass head of Egyptology said in a video that the pharaohs were Whites. Maybe he’s wrong but that’s what he said.

        15. I believe that the 13% Sub Saharan African genes is good solid science. I call it 13% but the actual figure I read was 10-15% Sub Saharan African genes by DNA of Dynastic Egyptians. If you look on their friezes, you can see that they very much distinguish themselves from Libyans (who look like Whites) and Nubians (who look like Negroid Africans). In contrast, they paint themselves an off yellow sort of olive with Asiatic eyes. The only humans that I have ever seen who look like the Dynastic Egyptians in their friezes were Arabs, particularly some Egyptians. I am told that Egyptian Coptics are the present day ethnic group that most closely resembles Dynastic Egyptians.
          I have also seen a study in the Journal of Physical Anthropology where Dynastic Egyptian skulls were plotted on a chart. The skulls plotted most closely with those of modern day Egyptians.
          #egyptiancontinuity

        16. Yes E-V38 is found in West Africa & E-V68 is found in Egypt. What im trying to say is that they are related & being that E-V38 is older the original phenotype of the Macro group E had to be Africoid or Negroid if you like. This and the fact E originated in Africa about 60k years ago & the sub clads we speak of are 40k to 50k years old the 1st humans possessing the yDNA E marker had to be adapted to the climate it originated in thus Africoid. As we know the Caucasoid developed in Eurasia & as we see the corresponding Caucasoid haplo groups developed in Eurasia(for example R,N,GJ) The map is for macro groups & as it shows E originated in East Africa & dispersed north ,west & even south. As it dispersed into different regions different sub class developed.

        17. @Robert
          Throughout most Egyptian art Kamites had a tendency to depict females as an off yellow but the men as brown,reddish brown which is the color of many African tribes & many Afro Americans.
          https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0d/26/14/0d2614cdaa0d89334789ef7304c0ad84.jpg
          http://lh4.ggpht.com/-_O8n8vA42wE/VCxKrBLT96I/AAAAAAAABJY/rNZ6ZrYWvZs/Ancient_Egyptian_family_group_thumb1.jpg?imgmax=800
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Nobleman_and_his_wife,Egypt,_Old_Kingdom,_5th_Dynasty,_2494-2345_BCENelson-Atkins_Museum_of_Art-_DSC08100.JPG
          Why the men & women were usually depicted in different skin tones I don’t know. Most likely it symbolized something but in different periods we see men & women both depicted having brown skin tones
          http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/amarnaperiod1.jpg
          https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/65/e5/2e65e566285b77f2689cb540fa9f56cc.jpg
          Just as you state most Afrocentrics advocate an all Black Egypt it seems you see an all Caucasian ancient Egypt
          For me its clear both phenotypes were present but the majority of the old & middle kingdom depictions resemble Ethiopian,Eritrean.Sudanese & Somali types.
          Even culturally the style of braided hair & wigs are an African thing
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/PrincesseAmarna.jpg/220px-PrincesseAmarna.jpg
          A Fulani doesn’t look like a Ugandan. A Khoisan tribes man doesn’t look Congolese & nor do all Black people look alike.
          You are looking at Egyptian art & if you don’t see the Blackest most stereotypically negroid image its Caucasian to you.
          Robert in this very blog you’ve shown pure Black Africans with what would be called Caucasian traits. Why isn’t it possible a Black population with admixture to appear as many of the ancient Egyptian images depict?
          If Beyonce looks the way she does in America due to European & Amerindian (mongoloid) admixture why is it so impossible an African people living near a cross road of cultures not have similar admixture? That 13% may be correct today but to assume a people who have been conquered & have absorbed immigration for thousands of years not to be genetically affected is just erroneous. Especially during a time with no racial stigma to mixed relationships or cohabitation.

        18. To hucipher,
          Can you present proof that the “majority” were somali phenotypes? Just because you gave those examples that doesn’t make it representative.
          Also, a DNA look at Somalis. They aren’t comparable with west Africans to generalize a “negroids” simply.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/somali-y-chromosome-study/
          “The autosomal studies show that as a whole Somalis are about 40% Eurasian, which is about the same as Ethiopians. The maternal DNA is about 20% M1.”
          You make a big deal about “surface looks” but the thing is what’s more reliable is skeletal traits.
          I have given you both dental and skull studies showing continuity to the present.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/another-ancient-egyptian-cranial-study/

        19. No I’m not anymore caught up in outward appearance than you are.
          Your now inferring Somali that are Blacker than me are not Black because of Eurasian admixture.
          You seem to be stating a haplo group that originated in Africa long before the Caucasoid phenotype developed was Caucasoid.
          How do fully Caucasian traits develop in a habitat adverse to them?
          We know the J & R yDNA developed in Eurasia and people that posses this haplo group all have a varied range of Caucasian phenotype
          Also it seems Mathilda is your go to source. Sorry but this blog is not the final word on anything. This is why I give “academic” sources.
          Mathilda presents information with no references. She (or he) presents numbers then gives you their perspective
          I read the (about me) section of Mathilda’s blog & I see the writer does not believe in the Out of Africa theory (only in name) on the genesis of man kind. So now I fully get that blogs skew. I say skew because OOA is a theory in the same way the Big Bang & Evolution are theories. Anyone who doesn’t believe OOA should sit over next to the climate change deniers & flat earthers. Seeing this makes Mathilda’s blog even more suspect.
          As for Mathilda’s interpretation of skull studies presented there (with no references) here is some information on skull studies on Ancient Egypt from academics
          http://www.academia.edu/1971654/The_African_Origin_of_Ancient_Egyptian_Civilization
          Quote:
          “Numerous studies report finding ancient Egyptian s skulls to resembe those of other Africans As early as the white racist anatomist Sir Grafton Elliot Smith reported that the thousands of Egyptian mummies he examined at Cairo’s Egyptian Museum fre/uently had features such as “poorly developed rows, bulging occiputs, small but relatively broad noses, and slight projections of the jaws, all common African characteristics. Slightly over a decade later, Barnard observed that most Egyptian crania resembled those of Sudanese Nutter,Kieta and Godde have all replicated this result of Sudanese affinity for Egyptians. Crichton found Egyptians to resemble Kenyans, whereas Brauer , Keita and Germeersch report a similarity between Egyptians and a larger selection of African population”
          There’s more but I’ll stop here. Again academics. Not a blogger who doesn’t believe in a scientifically proven theory.
          Also Cleopatra’s sister Arsenoe’s tomb was found in Turkey. The way she was identified was by her “negroe” skull characteristics. Archeologist rightly so judged this negroe skull in a tomb in Eurasia to be a foreigner & this allowed them to trace her back to Cleo.
          Now we all know Cleo was a Ptolemy & I won’t get into Cleo’s ethnic make up because for one thing she & Arsinoe had different mothers but what this indicates is that as late as Ptolemaic Egypt the African phenotype was still present.
          Obviously Egypt’s population has centuries of admixture & such admixture changes phenotype
          http://www.livescience.com/27459-cleopatra-sister-discovery-controversy.html

        20. https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/cleopatras-sister-arsinoe-reconstructed/
          The sister mentioned.
          Also Mathilda’s study is actually has a direct reference, not just a claim with a citation. On top of that it is a comprehensive review of multiple studies.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/studies-of-ancient-crania-from-northern-africa/
          Keita’s actual take on Egypt. True, populations have mixed…..since it’s foundations if you read his conclusions. As well she corrects him on a citation.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/eugen-strouhals-summary-of-pre-dynastic-badarians-racial-affinites/

        21. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=15;t=001241
          “DNA and linkages between Nile Valley and Levantine/Middle Eastern populations
          Some DNA research demonstrates genetic linkages between the peoples of the Near East (Iran, Iraq, etc) with those of the Nile Valley and adjoining areas. Such linkages are not unusual given the movements of peoples. (Krings et al.). One such study researched Somalis, and holds that East Africans are more related to Eurasians than sub-Saharan Africans by a 10% margin.[62a] However the same study also shows that East Africans (Somalians, Oromos of Ethiopia and North Kenya, etc) are linked with each other to a much higher extent than the 10% differential influence between Eurasians or sub-Saharan Africans, (15% and 5% respectively). Ironically, the study’s use of such labels as “sub-Saharan” is misleading, since both Somalians and Kenyans are located below the Sahara.
          So How is it that it could be that Modern Egyptians are closer to Eurasians due to mixing with populations like Arabs when the same applies to These other populations that aren’t modern Egyptians?
          Other research on Egyptian populations also show the same pattern, with stronger links to other localized East African populations than European, sub-Saharan or Middle Eastern groups.[62b] Studies based on DNA maternal lineages also link Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Tigre people.[62c] Other research illustrates that modern Egyptians have greater genetic affinities primarily with populations of North and Northeast Africa than with Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans or Arabs.[62d] It should be noted that the peoples of the Horn of Africa, who are closely related to Egyptians, are “sub-Saharan” whether defined as such by the oft used 15-degrees latitude line, or by the PN2 Y-Genetic transition, that links a vast number of African peoples together, even though they look different outwardly.(S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e] ”
          On a genetic level it is only Y chromosomes and geography that links East africans with SSA people, when OVERALL modern Egyptians and other East Africans form a cluster closer to themselves that Other populations but OVERALL are closer to Eurasians.

      3. And what I”M saying is that the variant of E that the Egyptians have is one that is shared mostly by Eurasian and not Africans.
        Also, you should know that a single Haplotype doesn’t translate to the full ancestry of a population.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/egyptians-are-not-arabs-they-are-egyptians/
        This debunks your suggestion of replacement from other people.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/the-m78-an-afro-asiatic-y-chromsome-not-sub-saharan/
        And, sadly repeating myself, The oldest people in North Africa weren’t negroid.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/cro-magnon-man-in-europe-and-africa/

      4. You’re wrong, she does have references. Actually The paper you cited was from some person’s class assignment who was just vaguely reference Keita’s work, so you’re not really referencing an academic either.
        If you knew anything about Haplotypes and their variance you would understand my point on E variants.
        You DO know skin color is merely an adaptation to sunlight, right? That doesn’t neccessarily determine race. Prove to me that the study was wrong on autosomal DNA.
        This guy, an actual Somali, agrees.
        http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-mota-mistake.html
        You only show one reference of a study when Mathilda cites multiple ones, despite your claims of “bias”.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/mummies-and-mummy-hair-from-ancient-egypt/
        Also, she didn’t say that she didn’t believe in OOA, she said that it wasn’t the only possibility and that a mere recent expansion wasn’t likely.
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/my-main-objections-to-a-recent-out-of-africa-date/
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/a-serial-founder-effect-model-for-human-settlement-out-of-africa/
        https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/5/
        This last one just merely looks at the the evidence of mixing with archaics, not the origin of modern humans.

        1. Mathilda states she feels OOA is inaccurate. She has a blog titled the Out of Africa Deception. This strongly infers she does not believe in OOA. Any physicist worth a grain of salt doesn’t question the Big Bang nor do biologist feel there is another possibility for the speciation of life besides Evolution.
          As for the paper regardless of who wrote the paper the actual researchers are cited & I’m sorry I rate even a college paper above a blog. As for the obvious genetic change in Egypt it too has been researched https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/306293726/Genetical-Change-in-Ancient-Egypt
          As for my understanding of Haplo groups I understand the E variation had to have a source I inside of Africa & being even the variation found amongst modern Egyptians is older than the existence of a Caucasoid race arguing that it originated in any one but an Africoid is moot

        2. Okay, all you did was read the title and NOT the article. What it did was shown data of archaic alleles in populations, going against an idea held originally by OOA before the Theory was modified.
          I couldn’t read your paper on the site it was on but I did read it here.
          http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=15;t=001241
          As for E, you are still not getting it. That Variant is shared more AMONG Eurasians than it is among Africans. Even if E started in Africa, that doesn’t mean that it’s exclusive to Africa and in this case this variant is shared higher amongst Eurasians.
          As for your paper here,
          “Egyptians cluster closer to other nearby African populations than to Europeans or Middle Easterners
          Issues of methodology in skeletal and cranial studies of ancient Nile Valley populations.”
          This is Misleading because it is Already well known That Nubians for example are the closest to Egyptians.
          Also, it is also says NEARBY African populations, not all populations or most. So this would apply more to North Africans or Mixed Horners than to West Africans.
          With that said, it didn’t say whether or not the Egytians would pull closer to Other geographical Africans before eurasians.
          In terms of affinity for East Africans, see here.
          “Above is a PCA plot (Principal Component Analysis) from Pagani et al. , a study focused on the Horn of Africa populations. In this PCA/ cluster you can see that Anuaks & the South Sudanese samples have a greater pull towards West Asians & North Africans as well as Europeans (CEU) than Yorubans who are a Niger-Congo speaking West African ethnic group do (though the pull is small) despite the fact that Anuaks and such have anything between ~10-30% Niger-Congo input (makes up almost the entirety of the Yoruba).”
          Now back you’re source
          “This research rejects sensationalist theories that the ancients were of Indian, Australian, Greek, or Nordic stock, or nationalist theories that they are identical to Arabs, West African Bantu or Syrians. Instead they are most closely related to other Nile Valley and East African peoples- Somalis, northern Sudanics, and Ethiopians. This recent research confirms Frank Yurco’s statement as to “one Nilotic continuity.” ”
          This is also consistent with Mathilda’s notes if you had actually bothered to understand. See this note from an author that the study agreed with.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/ancient-egyptian-population-clustering-from-loring-brace/
          The second Phylogeny tree shows a closer clustering with Eurasians BEFORE west Africans, consistent with the Clustering mention before.

        3. More from the East African Cluster
          “DNA and linkages between Nile Valley and Levantine/Middle Eastern populations
          Some DNA research demonstrates genetic linkages between the peoples of the Near East (Iran, Iraq, etc) with those of the Nile Valley and adjoining areas. Such linkages are not unusual given the movements of peoples. (Krings et al.). One such study researched Somalis, and holds that East Africans are more related to Eurasians than sub-Saharan Africans by a 10% margin.[62a] However the same study also shows that East Africans (Somalians, Oromos of Ethiopia and North Kenya, etc) are linked with each other to a much higher extent than the 10% differential influence between Eurasians or sub-Saharan Africans, (15% and 5% respectively). Ironically, the study’s use of such labels as “sub-Saharan” is misleading, since both Somalians and Kenyans are located below the Sahara.
          Other research on Egyptian populations also show the same pattern, with stronger links to other localized East African populations than European, sub-Saharan or Middle Eastern groups.[62b] Studies based on DNA maternal lineages also link Egyptians with people from modern Eritrea/Ethiopia such as the Tigre people.[62c] Other research illustrates that modern Egyptians have greater genetic affinities primarily with populations of North and Northeast Africa than with Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans or Arabs.[62d] It should be noted that the peoples of the Horn of Africa, who are closely related to Egyptians, are “sub-Saharan” whether defined as such by the oft used 15-degrees latitude line, or by the PN2 Y-Genetic transition, that links a vast number of African peoples together, even though they look different outwardly.(S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e]
          Such diverse population patterns show a mix of genetic strands that cannot be defined in stark racial terms as of a narrowly stereotyped “sub-Saharan” type, versus all others. The “sub-Saharan” component is itself highly variable, with types such as “elongated” (some East African types) or “broad” African (some West African types), or any number of variants with differing body type, skin color, etc. As one anthropologist puts it: “The extreme Negroid variant is just that, a variant, and not a “founding” or the “original” type.” (S. Keita, History in Africa, Vol. 20, (1993), 129-154).[62e] This variability is reflected in DNA data as well. Thus various gene mutations found near Africa, such as that in the Middle East, are a subset of the original baselines found in Africa before out-migration. This baseline is the most diverse in the world. Cranio-metric studies reflect this reality. Hanihara (1996) for example found early West Asians to resemble Africans, confirming the point of origin in the baseline stock. As researcher Cavalli-Sforza notes about gene variations in Africans:
          ” In other words, all non-Africans carry M168. Of course, Africans carrying the M168 mutation today are the descendants of the African subpopulation from which the migrants originated…. Thus, the Australian/Eurasian Adam (the ancestor of all non-Africans) was an East African Man.” (Linda Stone, Paul F. Lurquin, L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Genes, Culture, and Human Evolution: A Synthesis, Wiley-Blackwell: 2006, pg 108) “

          So the Ancient Egyptian “African component” is closer to that of Eurasians than to non-east African Sub Saharans.
          Sub Saharans in this context is merely Geographical and a weak Y chromosome based linkage rather than Robust affinity.

        4. OK let’s unmuddle this discussion.
          Showing me that modern Egyptians cluster closer with Eurasians does little towards proving who or what ancient Egyptians clustered with. This is only sufficient to people who assume this population has not genetically changed over the near 6000 yrs. 4000 as Egypt proper & about 700 yrs as Christian & then about 1300 as Arab/Islamic Egypt. They even changed the name to the United Arab Republic for a short period.
          I totally agree the modern Egyptians cluster closer to Eurasians. They have had a majority of Eurasian gene influx. The G,J & R DNA indicates this.
          As for E sublades in Eurasia this too is from migration.
          I’m not arguing who falls under a sub clad more or less.
          I’m arguing where that E & its sub clads originated & what was the phenotype of the people who possessed this sub clad.
          E-V38 & E-V68(and all sub class of E) are technically cousins. They are not separate distinct haplo groups rather mutations of the same group. Understanding homo sapiens sapiens evolved in Africa one must then understand the Africoid…the Negroid is man kinds original phenotype to a lesser or greater degree ( I’m actually not sure about the hair) Caucasoids & Mongoloids & even Austroloids are adaptations to new environments & sexual selection of those peoples over tens of thousands of years.
          You can find haplo group R1b in sub Saharan Africa but I’m not arguing it originated in Africa. Why? Because its been established R developed in Eurasia and its parent R1 from south Asia
          http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b_World.png
          Haplo group R is only 18k to 20k yrs old & fits the timeline for humans now having Eurasian genotypes back migrating into Africa.
          Sub Saharan genes can be found in North Africa & Southern Europe. These markers date back past the trans Atlantic & Arab slave trades so migration is the only answer to this Dna’s presence
          https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524153536.htm
          Quote:
          “While the researchers detected no African genetic signatures in Northern European populations, they found a distinct presence of African ancestry in Southern European, Middle Eastern and Jewish populations. Modern southern European groups can attribute about 1 to 3 percent of their genetic signature to African ancestry, with the intermingling of populations dating back 55 generations, on average — that is, to roughly 1,600 years ago. Middle Eastern groups have inherited about 4 to 15 percent, with the mixing of populations dating back roughly 32 generations. A diverse array of Jewish populations can date their Sub-Saharan African ancestry back roughly 72 generations, on average, accounting for 3 to 5 percent of their genetic makeup today”
          OK I got a little muddled but what I’m basically saying is the E ydna found in modern Egypt are remnants from the Black population that once occupied that region in far higher numbers.
          That’s my argument & until I see DNA Tribes’ research refuted by professionals or even a skilled laymen in a peer reviewed publication such as Jstor or ncbi I again will have to side with what the professional geneticist have arrived at.
          Its great to question everything because you never know. I mean when iGenea’s results were announced (by themselves from my knowledge they never announced a peer reviewed study on Tut) I was suspicious. I didn’t have to dig to long to discover their ruse but if it was discovered to be accurate I’d have to concede to their findings ..well at least for Tut himself.

        5. A few things to clarify,
          My point with E-v68 is that is a subclade that doesn’t occur that often with SSA people comapred to Horners, north africans, and eurasians. I also have given multiple evidence that it was from a group of people that cluster closer to modern eurasians than conventional SSA, but of course it’s closest is Northeast Africans of modern times. Still, the point is that the ancestors of them would be GENETICALLY closer to eurasians, the phenotype would be irrelevant.
          BTW, this wasn’t test on “modern egyptians”, it was quotes from THAT study you gave on Ancient ones.
          And you still insist on genetic change when I have given info that talks about how no real distinct genetic change occured from predynastic to dynastic. See my actual links.
          Yes, there was a presence of distinct populations, but NOT in the sense that one took up the entirity of Egypt. There was on in the south and one from the North, the southern one being more “african”.
          The genetic studies show that the african one is closer to east african ancestors of OOA populations, NOT SSA.
          The problem with your label of “african” and balck being synmonous is also incorrect. It is often noted that SSA people as we know today, or “negroids” are the modern group associated with original man rather it is Bushmen who are a different group physically and genetically.
          http://discovermagazine.com/1994/feb/howafricabecameb331
          They would be “africoid” but not negroid exactly.

        6. BTW, the conclusions of Keita for example, as imperfect as he is, was that Egypt wasn’t founded by a distinct clear cut group but a mixture of a eurasian and African one, the later descending from OOA populations that stayed in Africa.

        7. Additionally, even if I didn’t “debunk” the report from DNAtribes the reliability CAN be judged by anyone with a decent knowledge of genetics and can point out flaws in their methodology.
          And the Hamiticunion has pointed out A. The lack of replication in this genetic work and the limited amount of Loci.

        8. I read the Discovery Magazine site link & noticed the writer separates the Black peoples of Africa to such an extent he states the Nama people do not “look”
          Black
          http://www.namibian.org/travel/namibia/pictures/nama/fullsize/nama_lady_fs.jpg
          This is like saying a Greek doesn’t look White. Its one thing to identify the individual cultures with in a racial group but the attempt to separate different Black African tribal/ethnic groups as if they are distinct racial groups I find dubious. I dont hear anyone arguing the Basque are less White or Caucasian than the Swede. From Denmark to Malta all those people are Caucasian & speak an Indo-European tongue. Only the Finns ,Estonians & the Basque speak non Indo European languages but no one questions their “Whites”
          I mention language because along with the genetic ties the ancient Egyptian language is closer to other native African languages than it is to Eurasian ones.
          “Despite resemblances with Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian differs from all the Semitic tongues a good deal more than any one differs from each other, and at least until its relationship to the African languages is more closely defined, Ancient Egyptian must certainly be classified as standing outside the Semitic group.
          (Sir Alan Gardiner, Egyptian Grammar, section 3, page 3)”
          In fact the Afro-Asiatic language family originated in Africa not Eurasia
          http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/reports/afro-asiatic2.html
          So its not just DNA but language & culture that ties ancient Egypt to Black Africa

        9. As for the point I’m making with yDNA halo group E-
          “A haplogroup (haploid from the Greek: ἁπλούς, haploûs, “onefold, single, simple” and English: group), is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single-nucleotide polymorphism mutation.”
          The key phrase is “common ancestor”
          Here we are not speaking to the yDNA haplo group A ancestor we all share but rather the common E group ancestor that all possessors of E share regardless of subclade.
          E-V68 is more prolific amongst Eurasians but I again am arguing its origin which is firmly established in Africa.
          Prior to the drying up of the Sahara Black Africans migrated in high numbers easily into North & North East Africa
          The article linked below about the earliest archeologically known human conflict states
          “Parallel research over recent years has also been shedding new light as to who, in ethnic and racial terms, these victims were.
          Work carried out at Liverpool John Moores University, the University of Alaska and New Orleans’ Tulane University indicates that they were part of the general sub-Saharan originating population – the ancestors of modern Black Africans.”
          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/saharan-remains-may-be-evidence-of-first-race-war-13000-years-ago-9603632.html
          This occurred in North Africa & unlike common Eurocentric dogma modern Humans lived in North Africa tens if not hundreds of thousands of years before Eurasian back migrations
          “recent analyses demonstrate a number of synapomorphies shared with modern humans, establishing the presence of H. sapiens sensu stricto in North Africa 130,000–190,000 years before present (ybp)”
          http://m.pnas.org/content/104/15/6128.full
          The oldest artificial mummy was found in Libya & the skeletal remains alone identity it as Black African
          https://youtu.be/Q5bkNlGg0H0
          So not only the Nile valley but North Africa had a far higher population of Black Africans.
          10’s of thousands of years of miscegenation will impact DNA & phenotype
          An example is prehistoric North America
          The oldest remains are Caucasoid. When the Mongoloids migrated into North America they soon either killed off or absorbed the Caucasian group. I haven’t looked at any genetic studies to determine if Amerindians intermixed with this group but its more than likely.

        10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan
          One I didn’t distinguish Khoisan from Negroids based on “appearance”, I said so on the basis that THEY, not Negroid West/Central Africans of Modern times, were the ones associated with the dispersal of humans.
          And yes, genetically, they are a different race.
          http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2016/06/population-history-with-physically.html
          Also, you misinterpreted that link you gave me. Nowhere did it suggest that it was linked to Black African languages, only that it would remain distinct from Semitic ones until better relation are understood with Black Africans.
          Also, a look at what the actual origin theories are based on DNA
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_Urheimat#Evidence_from_population_genetics
          All theories based on the East of Africa, in other words, from a West Asian or East African origin. I have already given you evidence of East Africans that Ancient Egypt is tied with is associated with proto Eurasians from Your sources, not SSA.

        11. One the mummies was Found in Southern Libya, closer to the central sahara and was most likely associated with with this culture, not NE africa.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/roundhead-rock-art-in-the-central-sahara/
          http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2010/01/mesolithic-nubians-probably-werent.html
          Also those skulls, like the one found in that article you mentioned were reevaluated,
          You may reject this, but it goes in line with Ancient NE africans being found FROM YOUR SOURCE to be closer to genetically to Modern Eurasians than Modern SSA.
          This also goes in line the E variant found with Egyptian being more common amongst Eurasians, indicating by your logic a closer relation.
          And for those Caucasian skulls found they were Ainu, not Caucasian.
          “Anthropologist Joseph Powell of the University of New Mexico was also allowed to examine the remains. Powell used craniometric data obtained by anthropologist William White Howells of Harvard University and anthropologist Tsunehiko Hanihara of Saga University that had the advantage of including data drawn from Asian and North American populations.[24] Powell said that Kennewick Man was not European but most resembled the Ainu[17] and Polynesians.[24] Powell said that the Ainu descend from the Jōmon people who are an East Asian population with “closest biological affinity with south-east Asians rather than western Eurasian peoples”.[26] Furthermore, Powell said that dental analysis showed the skull to have a 94-percent consistency with being of a Sundadont group like the Ainu and Polynesians and only a 48-percent consistency with being of a Sinodont group like that of North Asia.[24] Powell said analysis of the skull showed it to be “unlike American Indians and Europeans”.[24] Powell concluded that he “is clearly not a Caucasoid unless Ainu and Polynesians are considered Caucasoid.”[26]”
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man#Scientific_criticism_of_Owsley_study

        12. “The prehistory of Egypt spans the period from earliest human settlement to the beginning of the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt in c. 3100 BC, starting with the first Pharaoh Narmer (also known as Menes). This Predynastic era is traditionally equivalent to the Neolithic period, beginning c. 6000 BC and including the Protodynastic period (Naqada III).”
          So in other words By the time Egypt actually become a Civilization, it wouldn’t Have been “Originally Black” if it mixed with Eurasians since 13,000 b.p by your logic.

        13. Also you still don’t understand the significance Of E-v68, If it source was From NE, not SSA, and it is in higher frequency in Eurasians than SSA by that logic Eurasian would’ve had a closer relation.
          Also This is supported by the stufy that you gave giving the same conclusion of affinity.

        14. 1st I apologize for the link. Linking pdf’s is difficult for me & I intended to link this PDF. [PDF]Linguistic Ties between Ancient Egyptian and Bantu – BookPump.com
          http://www.bookpump.com › upb › pdf-b
          Which I took the quote from which clearly indicates the connection of ancient Kemetic to Bantu
          Quote:
          ” lexicological and synthetic similarities amounted to convincing proof of the close relationship between Ancient Egyptian and African languages of today. This type of parallelism was impossible between Semitic, Berber and Ancient Egyptian.”
          I only mentioned this to point to other evidence besides the latest DNA evidence
          As for macro group E it seems your ignoring or simply fail to understand that for 1 when even the E-V68 subgroup 1st sprang on the scene the Caucasian phenotype did not exist. 2nd you keep alluding to the sub Saharan Africans as if they(we) have only existed in SSA. As DNA maps show E originated in East Africa.
          https://www.google.com/search?q=y+dna+E+V68+map&biw=412&bih=604&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjB-dHqxPbOAhUUwGMKHV9ZA1oQ_AUIBygB&dpr=3.5#imgrc=OHiV2TVosdYoHM%3A
          West Africans possessing subclade’s of E indicates they & or their ancestors migrated from East Africa. The same goes for those who posses the subclade’s of E anywhere else in the world. E-V68 did not get to Eurasia on its own. It traveled there just as E-V38 traveled to West Africa & the people carrying those genes were Black Africans. (i mean i dont get whats hard to understand about that) The frequency of E-V68 in Eurasia is not what I’m addressing. Again I’m addressing were & when it originated & the time & place it originated was a hot tropical environment millennia before your Caucasoid types existed. The presence of haplo group E in modern Egyptians point to the Black African population their J & R ancestors absorbed

        15. Second I have already pointed out that ancient Africans are not comparable to Modern Negroids and the connection of of which with modern ones are only with Khoi-san people, NOT west/central Africans.
          And what you also don’t understand with E is that all that proves was that Ancient Egypt’s oldest population was based in Africa, it does not tell us it’s genetic affinities. Sin ce E is in higher Frequencies in Eurasian, who btw are descended from African, it would indicate that the group of Africans were closer to them. This is supported by your source I’ve mentioned earlier.
          As for that language note
          1. That link doesn’t work, it didn’t present me to a direct source
          2. You said you acknowledge Afrocentrism, so explain to me this.
          Do you REALLY think such an analysis is likely when the Bantu language originates only several thousands years from Central Africa, both chronologically and geographically distant from Egypt?
          Also why would you allude to a Bantu connection when Phenotypically most of the “African looking statues” looked like Somalis, non- Bantu speakers?
          If it where to allude to a african language, why not one at least Geographically closer to Egyptians than Bantus.
          AND AGAIN, lets see the deeper contradictions when you assert this, as this would go against what you said. You talked about how the Afro Asiatic family originated In africa, which includes Berber, so explain to me how Bantu, a RECENT N-Kongo language would be closer to AE?

        16. Your statement Khoisan & other Africans are a different race is inaccurate. Hell you & I are not different “races” but I won’t act like I don’t understand what your poking at.
          The thing is that Black Africans are thee most genetically diverse people on the planet
          http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30318291
          & until you separate Slavics from Germanics racially I can’t entertain the Eurocentric double standard applied to Africans

        17. As I said I merely posted the research on Bantu/ancient Egyptian connection. Im not arguing ancient Kemetic is a derivative of Bantu but that there is a connection. The same way the Indo European links between Sanskrit & say Greek show humans migrated from the north middle east & the Indian sub continent to spread that language.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Bantu_language
          I’m not sure why you think I’m comparing Mongoloids to anything. The mention of Mongoloids absorbing Caucasoids in North America was an example of the process of genetic & phenotypical change in a population
          As for the link to the Bantu/Egyptian book. If you copy & paste the books title it will pop up.( sorry for the trouble)

        18. The title said Sub Saharans, not “Black Africans”. And either way you cut it it is with the Khoisan specifically that have the traits, not other SSA members.
          I have also posted a link showing that Hunter gatherers form a different cluster.
          http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2016/06/population-history-with-physically.html
          I posted a the link and it didn’t work. Can you copy and paste full paragraphs from the link if it worked
          Also I never said that it derived from Bantu, I said how it is contradictory that AE language would have closer traits to Bantu compared to Berber when you said that the whole Afro-asiatic family came from East Africa? Bantu is mnot Basal to afro Asiatic and as far as I know neither is AE, but please prove me wrong.
          I wasn’t talking about mongoloids, I said that the ancient skulls in America were Ainu, a Australoid sub type, not Caucasian but they are similar.
          Also, I mention how your logic with the “Saharan Race War” wouldn’t work in the argument that AE was originally Black if you said they were mixing for thousands of Years.
          If that were the case then it would be plausible to conclude that Egypt was “black at first but lost phenotypes as time went on” if it was mixed to begin with, which was actually Keita’s beliefs if you read the Mathilda Links I gave.
          Plus, I already showec and repeated how your source showed that the ancient egyptians were “Africoid”, but were GENETICALLy closer to modern Eurasians.

        19. Ok just in my defense when I read Ainu i jumped to Mongoloid thinking of them as indeginous Japanese. In fact Robert has a blog addressing the question if the Ainu are Austroloid or Mongoloid https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/the-ainu-mongoloids-or-australoids/
          now im not arguing this but again my example in the Americas is an example of population change in an area. If the original population was Austroloid or Mongoloid in North America is moot.
          My argument isnt wether Bantu is closer in relationship to Afro Asiatic than Nilo-Saharan. Im simply stating the relationship but the Eurasian language family of Indo-European surely is not closer to Ancient Egyptian.
          Now as for the Libyan munmy i said nothing infering It was connecting it to Nile Valley cultures. I simply used it to indicate that the Black African phenotype was more prolific throughout North Africa circa 4000bce
          http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120216-bread%20dynasty%20models.jpg
          http://www.epicurus.com/beverages/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/egyptianbeermaking.jpg
          http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/people-beer-1.jpg
          http://www.kemet.nl/wp-content/uploads/Bio-Amenhotep-III-foto-1.jpg
          http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2581361959_be46fcf84e.jpg
          http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120216-bread%20dynasty%20models.jpg

        20. I of course I am not the 1st to recognize a Black Egypt. African Americans actually didn’t invent the notion of a “Black Egypt”
          Besides Herodotus & Diodorus France’s Count De Volney stated:
          “When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their ‘mulatto’ appearance)
          “In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold.
          “Just think,” de Volney declared incredulously, “that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!
          “In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould.”

            M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83.
          
        21. Okay, back to language.
          The problem was that that the quote wasn’t comparing african languages and indo-european, it was comparing the two with Berber and Semitic.
          What I told you didn’t make sense was that Bantu would share a closer connection with AE language than Berber, I have explain why and I won’t repeat myself.
          And I’ve already told you that The culture of the Libyan Mummy wasn’t widespread through North Africa, it was limited to the Central Sahara as I have shown with Cave paintings and how it was found in SOUTHERN libya.
          As for De Volney, his only observations were from Herodotus’ brief mention of Black Curly hair and how many ancient egyptians and modern Egyptian resembled Blacks in certain features.
          “Constantin de Volney was troubled much by the institution of slavery. His expressed opinion that the ancient Egyptians were black Africans much departed from the typical European view of the late eighteenth century, but it gave many people cause for reflection. During his visit to Egypt he expressed amazement that the Egyptians – whose civilization was greatly admired in Europe – were not White! “All the Egyptians,” wrote de Volney, “have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘ As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair… “When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their ‘mulatto’ appearance) “In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. “Just think,” de Volney declared incredulously, “that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites! “In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould.”[1]”
          One, Mathilda explains how such interpretation was bunk by showing that the traits were alluded to Colchians or Georgians rather than compared to Nubians in Appearance, MULTIPLE sources rather than just one fro classical times.
          https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/ancient-descriptions-of-ancient-egyptians/
          With more on De Volney his postulation wasn’t a comprehensive study but an observation based on what he saw. He didn’t have that much investigative evidence aside from the few mentions he had.
          Now, lets compare with actual modern research, such as your source that shows them to be closer to Modern Eurasians as I have repeated many times.

        22. More on Volney, concerning his lack of true investigation.
          https://books.google.com/books?id=wG1GAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=but+all+the+mummies+and+engraved+heads+french+expedition+yielding+evidence+has+abandoned+his+opinion&source=bl&ots=8kR39JJGyu&sig=aIAMV-WVpvaP4WHJit6AMtTY-hE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi50P6c4vjOAhUYS2MKHQeUCSMQ6AEIITAA#v=onepage&q=but%20all%20the%20mummies%20and%20engraved%20heads%20french%20expedition%20yielding%20evidence%20has%20abandoned%20his%20opinion&f=false
          “The expressions of Herodotus, when He says that the Egyptians had a black skin and woolly hair, coinciding with the head of the sphinx of the pyramids, necessarily induced the author of Travels in Syria to believe That this ancient people was of negro race; but all the mummies and engraved heads discovered by the French expedition contradict this thought; and the traveler, yielding to evidence, has abandoned his opinion, with Several others consigned in a chronological memoir, composed at the age of twenty two, and which was erroneously inserted in the Encyclopedia in the 4th 3d vol of Antiquities. Experience and study have enabled him to correct many errors in a late work published at Paris in 1814 and 1815 Entitled New Researches on Ancient History. (See the 3d vol Concerning the Egyptians.)”

        23. Georgians did not exist when Herodotus described the Colchian peoples. Funny you can find small %’s of haplo group E in the Georgian area also.
          http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M123.gif
          Again this is the E that more than likely arrived when the Egyptians set up colony in that area.
          Modern Egyptians cluster closer to Eurasians because of Eurasian admixture. The sub clade of E is incidental. No current dna study of ancient Egyptians clusters them amongst Eurasians.
          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5hTjcCovCs/U5KSmpofujI/AAAAAAAAADw/psXiP7aEtQM/s1600/dnatribesmodernanciente.jpg
          Mathilda is not only bias but her bias causes her to question verified science such as Out of Africa so when she questions eye witness testimony & valid dna results I have to recognize her view is effected by that confirmation bias. I present flat evidence. not my interpretation of eye witness testimony- just the testimony. not a cherry picked attempt to dismantle dna results – just the results. You question results that are accepted by mainstream academia so theres nothing I can present that will over come such confirmation bias. You question the data on this mater the sameway climate change deniers question NASA environmental studies. Theres a slew of Mathilda’s denying the fact humans are making the planet hotter also.

        24. Okay, number
          Mathilda did not go against OOA, she merely stated that there were other theories and that there was evidence of archaic alleles in different populations, evidence that went againat the FIRST model of OOA.
          That “E” varisnt you have is found in many EURASIAN populations, so therefore to associate with SSA type Africans are dubious.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M123#Distribution
          And BTW, my point on Egyptians and eurasian WASN’T from modern analysis, it was based on ANCIENT dna from YOUR SOURCE if you look back on the thread. Ancient NE africans basically being a population similar to OOA ones that stayed in Africa.
          I’m sorry, but you must have a pretty evasive mind to not understand why I intrerchanged Colchians and Georgians.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis
          “Colchis was populated by Colchians, an early Kartvelian-speaking tribe, ancestral to the contemporary Western Georgians, namely Svans and Mingrelians, as well as the related Lazs.[4] “

  37. wow. archeology has become a liberal science. it has become a social tool of propaganda. there is no way any modern artist can possibly reconstruct what the nose may have looked like. some of the other features perhaps…..but NOT the nose. this artist has placed a huge black mans nose on this face giving the appearance of a black person transitioning into a white person…..quite obviously…..and obviously deliberately. this is a joke.

    1. Well actually if you look at the link and see the nose from the side the bridge is high and look more angular like a european’s.
      However I agree about the nostrils, seems forced.

  38. This information is and was very much so needed in our history. As a 37 year old black woman, I feel robbed of my culture and history. To know this information is greatly appreciated…

  39. Tutsi people are the fathers of Caucasus people today, their skull is not close to the negroid skull which are two different types of skulls and history repeats it self because of civil wars done by the buntu against tutsi people so even if an arab or berber is changed because do to mix race he or she is still not far from what they are because tutsi people are closer resemblance to modern day whites or arabs because nose and face features are all different from other africans,. everyone was brown or black back than. African Americans are mixed with a lot of race thats why they are mild in color. When people argue that Egypt and north parts of africa including ethiopia is black people, describe the type of black people, man started to get lighter skin color about 10 thousand years ago, Tutsi are not Negroids they are the real Caucasians who migrated all over the places. there is no such thing as mixing races, the same tutsi people who left north and east parts of africa started to have lighter skin color do to climate changing in middle east and Europe. Tutsi people are close to modern Caucasians today. Africa is diverse with many types of people and stop saying white people are claiming this or that like you said its been 12 thousand years of people becoming lighter in skin color that is not mixing that is migration.

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