David Kelsey, who has his own website, comments in the Why White Nationalism And Zionism Are Creatures of a Feather thread:
What do you think of the following classification of severity? This isn’t mine, but based on my own understanding of the explanation VDARE expressed grappling with its own classification.
1) Race Realists
2) White Nationalists
3) White Supremacists
David’s hierarchy is just fine. In practice, most WN’s other than Jared Taylor are White Supremacists and I think JT considers himself one too. Almost all WN’s are in fact White separatists. Show me a WN who is not a White separatist. And in practice almost all of them are White Supremacists. They few that are not are Asiaphiles. That White nationalism and White Supremacism are two different things is one of the big lies of White nationalism. In praxis, it’s generally not so.
As far as race realism (and I speak as a race realist), its real-life consequences are so devastating and extreme if taken to its logical conclusions, that most White race realists at some time or another seem to adopt some aspects of the WN platform. I was really hoping you could be a race realist and not drift into this nasty stuff, but I’m not so sure.
Most race realists, after some time, eventually advocate: getting rid of anti-discrimination laws, restrictions or punishments of various types against Blacks and Hispanics, radical restructuring of immigration law such as ending immigration altogether and ending all immigration by certain groups. Quite a few of them eventually drift into some sort of White separatism.
The progression is pretty clear. One typically goes from race realist to White nationalist (of some type or another) all the way to an extremist separatist or supremacist. The progression is so predictable and regular that we could almost plot it out on graphs.
I would add that most race realists in the US seem to drift inevitably the Right as part of their enlightenment. In Europe, it is much different. There, most of the overtly racialist White movement is socialist in one way or another. Capitalism isn’t a White man’s religion, and capitalism screws Whites as hard as any other ethnic group.
The notion that capitalism is a White thing or to be pro-White is to dementedly pro-capitalist and psychotically anti-government is a particular conceit of the White racialist movement in the US, and has to do with US racial dynamics.
Whites are seen as producers, and evil liberal, anti-White government takes White tax money and gives it to no-good “nigger and spics” so they can make tons of babies that hate Whites and prey on them and help take over America for the non-Whites – this is how the line goes.
The line is “government always hates Whites.” On a worldwide and historical scale, that’s preposterous, nor does it have predictive validity for future societies. Government is government. It does not de facto, by its very nature, hate or favor any particular ethnic group in any way, shape or form. A pro-White government, or at least not one that is anti-White, is just as possible and reasonable as the other way around.
It would be nice if we could have a nice, polite, orderly America in the 21st Century if most Whites adopted race realism, but it’s probably not possible.
The WN’s always like to point out that not too long ago, almost all Whites were what we would nowadays call “race realists.” Much worse, they were out and out Nordicists hostile to Eastern and Southern Europeans and Jews.
The suggestion is that since Whites were so reasonable with this race realist stuff in the past, why can’t we just go back to that? Because the probable consequences of that mass belief in race realism were segregation and Jim Crow, anti-miscegenation laws, no civil rights, voter rights or housing rights laws, and mass racism, bigotry and discrimination on the part of Whites. Go back to race realism and you probably go back to its consequences.
Given the baggage that race realism carries with it, it makes sense for progressives, Leftists, anti-racists, Blacks and Hispanics to oppose it the way they do. They aren’t stupid at all.