Repost from the old site. This post is very long and complicated – it runs to 83 pages – but I have tried to make it as easy to understand as possible. Please feel free to dip into it at your leisure. Updated December 28, 2016. Regularly updated. As you can see by the title, this is an awfully ambitious post. Those who believe that race does not exist, or that Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Australoid are outdated terms of no use, might as well bail out right now and save yourself the exasperation. Recent prior attempts include the usual Mongoloid – Caucasoid – Negroid Three Race Theory, which is discussed below. The main problems with this theory are twofold: that it fails to classify a group called Australoids and that it fails to note the huge split between SE Asians and NE Asians. From Cavalli-Sforza’s recent work comes an recently added three more very distinct groups, Khoisan (Bushmen), Pygmies and Negritos, to come up with 12 races. But we can go further than this. If Polynesians and Melanesians are widely regarded as separate races, we should be able to distinguish races based on any other major grouping at least as genetically distant as Polynesians and Melanesians. When I finally found two hapmaps showing the distance between Polynesians and Melanesians, I got the idea for a new race theory based on genetic distance alone. This theory in most cases is based only on genetic distance, and not physical appearance of physical anthropology. In a few cases, races were grouped into a major group based on appearance – for instance, genetically, Chukchis are in the Caucasian square below, yet they look anything but Caucasian. Though many distinguish Melanesians and Papuans, Capelli’s (see below) genetic analysis puts them in one race. But see Figures 1-4 below which clearly put them in separate groups. Also, Melanesian and Papuan teeth are very different from each other. Some people are likely to be upset by this theory. Surely the Japanese will not be happy to learn that they are virtually identical to the despised Koreans. White Nationalists will not be happy to learn that Turks, Jews, Kurds and Iranians are included in the European race and that they cannot include South Indians with Australoids. NE Asians and ignorant amateur anthropologists will be unhappy to learn that there is no reason to lump SE Asians with Australoids and that the hated Filipinos (which some refer to as the “niggers of Asia”) are very close to the high-IQ, high-achieving Southern Chinese and the Filipinos haven’t a trace of Negrito in them. It is standard of NE Asian racialists and amateur anthropologists on the Net to say that the Filipinos are heavily-Negrito. There are traces of Australoid (Papuan) genes in the Malay, some Indonesians, the Southern Thai and the Coastal Vietnamese, but these admixtures are not large, and the Filipinos haven’t any observable Australoid traces. Filipinos are closer to Southern Chinese than any other race below, although they are also close to the Aeta Negritos. This is because the Aeta and Ati Negritos are not Australoids genetically but instead are related to SE Asians. Anthropomorphically, they are Australoids. There is also a more substantial Melanesian component in many Indonesians (except those in Western Indonesia), but there is this paper in the American Journal of Human Genetics, A Predominantly Indigenous Paternal Heritage for the Austronesian-Speaking Peoples of Insular Southeast Asia and Oceania (Capelli et al 2001). If you look at Table 4 in Capelli, you can see that they carefully delineate out Polynesian and Melanesian groups based on Haplogroup mapping. Since many scholars of race include both Melanesians and Polynesians as separate races, this table serves to delineate what the proper genetic distance between genetic groups needs to be in order for them to be separate races. Based on Polynesians and Melanesians as separate races in Table 4 in Capelli, I was able to sort out four more groups in that table, if only to get some idea of the distances between racial groups. First, an Indonesian Race was separated out, including all but the easternmost island groups such as the Alor that go into Melanesian. Javanese and Sarawak were later included based on Figure 5. Later, based again on Figure 1, the Toraja and Mentawi were separated out, each into their own groups. The Toraja are an ancient farming group in South Sulawesi. The Mentawi are the indigenous peoples of the Mentawi Islands west of Sumatra. They still live a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. A Lesser Sunda Race was also split out (see Figure 1), but the Alor were not covered, as they lumped more with Melanesians. The Lesser Sunda Race included the Lembata, Lamaholot, Manggarai and Kambera. These people have mixed Indonesian and Melanesian ancestry. The Lembata and Lamaholot live on Lomblen Island east of Flores Island. The Kembara live on Sumba Island, and the Manggarai live in the West of Flores Island. Second, a Filipino-Ami Race, composed of Filipinos and the Ami, a Taiwanese aborigine group (the Filipinos are almost genetically identical to the Ami and are quite close to the Southern Chinese – see Figure 1 in Capelli) was split off. Third, a South Chinese Race consisting of unknown groups that was later expanded below was split off. Based on the distances between these clearly differentiated races in Capelli, I was able to plot plot racial distances in Figure 1 above to infer major and minor races based on distance. All of the groups created via Capelli were then further chopped up based on Cavalli-Sforza here (p. 234-235). An Indonesian Race consisting of Sulawesi, Borneo and Lesser Sunda survived the cut, while the Alor of Lesser Sunda went into Melanesians. Malays themselves are distinct enough to create a Malay race. The proto-Malay or Temuan, who have some of the most ancient genes on Earth of all of the Out of African peoples, are an ancient aboriginal group in Malaysia. They have an extremely diverse genetic signature (See Figure 1), enough to split off a category all of their own. The Bidayuh or Land Dayaks are the indigenous peoples of Sarawak. Their genetics are wildly divergent (Figure 1), as we might expect from such an ancient people, hence, they form their own stock. Some comments are in order. Although separate NE Asian and SE Asian Major Races were created in order to account for both the vast differences between NE and SE Asians (the distance between NE and SE Asians is greater than the distance between Caucasians and NE Asians) it should still be noted that at a deep level, this is clearly one race. The Gilyak and Ainu are leftovers from the original Proto-Northeast Asians. The Proto-Northeast Asian homeland was around Lake Baikal maybe 35,000 years ago. The Ainu themselves may go back 18,000 years to the Jomons, who arrived from Thailand. These people resembled Australoids. Northern Turkic forms a clear race with various Amerindians. The Buryat have also been linked to Amerindians, even though anthropologically, they are linked to Mongolians and genetically they are close to Koreans. The North Turkics are closest to the Northern Chinese and the Nepalese, both of which were split off into separate groups. The Manchu and Qiang were added to the Northern Han based on genetics for the Manchu and the fact that the Qiang have an origin in the north. The Yunnan Han, a southern group, oddly cluster with Northern Chinese, as do the Hui. The Oroqen, a Siberian Tungusic tribe in northeast China that is genetically very divergent, was split off into its own group. The Nepalese, consisting of Nepalis and Newaris, are genetically Asians, though they resemble Caucasians. They pretty much straddle the line between Caucasians and Asians. A lot of groups close to them – Turkics, Mongols, Northern Chinese, and Altaics, straddle the line between Caucasian and Asian. Nepalis are closely related to South Indians. They are also close to Central Asians. The Central Asian Race includes the Kirghiz, Karalkalpaks, Uzbeks, Turkmen, and possibly others. Although they are mixed Caucasian-Mongoloid people, genetic analysis shows that they can be included with Asians. However, other analyses shows that they are best placed in with Caucasians, though only barely. Others, such as Kazakhs, are closer to Tuvans and also Mongolians. The Kazakhs were placed into a Mongolian Race, somewhat arbitrarily. The Sherpas were then further split off and placed in with the Yakut (p. 231). All of these splits were based on this data (p. 229). The Tuva were given a separate race based on data showing them splitting away from the Yakut-Sherpas (p. 229) Northeastern Indians were put into the Mon-Khmer Race somewhat arbitrarily, since this is who they cluster with. There was some confusion. In one paper, the Naga, Apatani, Nishi, and Nemang cluster with the Mon-Khmer, and the Adi go in with Tibetans. The situation is somewhat contradicted by this Y-DNA graph (Reddy 2007), which puts the Apatani, Nishi and Adi, along with the Tripuri, Jamatia, Mog and Chakma, in a single Indian Tibeto-Burman Race. Because of this cluster, and because this group tends to separate somewhat from General Tibetan, I created an Indian Tibeto-Burman Race. Note that the Tibeto-Burman Tujia, Yizu, and Shan cluster away from Indian Tibeto-Burman to some extent. The Mizo and Yizu, Indian Tibeto-Burman groups, cluster more with General Tibetan. However, the Mizo are far enough away from the rest of General Tibetan to warrant their own stock (chart). The Garo also cluster with General Tibetan on Y-DNA, but on Mt-DNA, they are very different (chart) (Reddy 2007). A group of the Mundas was split off as a Meghalaya Race on the basis of their differentiation on MtDNA (chart) (Reddy 2007). Some Indian Tibeto-Burman groups such as the Bai and the Pnar were included. This race includes the War Jantia, Bhoi, Maram, War Khasi, Kynriam, Nishi, Pnar, and Bai. All of these groups are found in Meghalaya or over the border into China. A group consisting of the Santhal, Naga, Munda, Kurmi and Sudra were split off from this group due to their dramatic difference on MtDNA (chart). This group also lives in NE India. There is a group of Indo-European speakers in NE India that can be differentiated from the rest of the groups on Mt-DNA. This NE India Indo-European Race consists of the Mahishya, Bagdi, Gaud, Tanti and Lodha. The Mon-Khmer are close enough to Thai and Southern Chinese in Fig. 4 to be included with the Tai, but they were split off due to the obvious distance in Fig. 1. The Mon-Khmer, Southern Chinese and Thai groups are clearly all closely related. The Zhuang were split off from Mon-Khmer into a Munda Race on the basis of this autosomal DNA table (p. 235) (Cavalli-Sforza 1994). The chart) but not on MtDNA (chart), where they may well form their own group. The Zhuang are a group in Southern China. They left Central China for Southern China 5000 yrs ago. This group was originally thought to be part of the proto-Tai group in Southern China that later moved down into SE Asia and gave rise not only to the Thai, but also helped form many other SE Asian groups. At the time of the split from proto-Tai to Tai, the Zhuang went to Guangxi Province and the Tai went to Yunnan. In 1200, the Tai moved down into Indochina and mixed with local groups, becoming the Thai, Lao and Shan. The Senoi are an ancient group in Malaysia dating back about 4,000-8,000 years. From the close genetic relationship, it seems that the Senoi may have split off from the proto-Zhuang or an earlier group soon after the group left Northern China for Southern China. The Santhal, Ho and Shompen may also have been early split-offs. The Shompen at least are thought to be a very old group. Originally it was thought that they were remnants of the early people (Negritos) who settled the area, but further research indicated that they are an Austroasiatic group, albeit an ancient one. Although there is much controversy about the origins of the Senoi (Are they Negritos?) a variety of points of inquiry converge on the notion that they are related to SE Asians. The Senoi are Veddoids, an ancient group with possible links to the Negritos and the original settlers of Asia 70,000 years ago. There is fascinating evidence for this as Senoi skulls cluster with skulls from the Andaman Islands, Coastal New Guinea and Tamils. Andaman Islanders are Negritos, the New Guinea population is Melanesian and the Tamils are thought to be Veddoid. The Senoi speak an Austroasiatic language and are also thought to be related to the Vietnamese and the Khmer. Senoi teeth resemble SE Asian and Polynesian teeth. It is thought that the Senoi came down from Southern China and bred in heavily with the Negrito Semang in Malaysia. The Senoi have wavy hair like most Veddoids, though some have straight hair and a few have woolly hair like Negritos. I recently split the Greater Andamanese and the Onge into two separate major races each based on new data showing that they are profoundly different from all other humans. Whether or not they get separate major races of their own each is open to debate and is determined by the depth of their differences. However, the data does show that they are each completely separate branches on the human tree. As the Andaman Islanders were the first people to split off after we left Africa and they have been evolving for ~70,000 years in isolation, it figures that they would be extremely different. I also decided to split Australoids into a macro race alongside Caucasians, Africans and Asians due to charts showing that they are extremely different from all other humans. This group would include for now Papuans, Aborigines and Andaman Islanders. The Tungus, a group of mostly reindeer-herding tribes, including the Even and the Evenki, were given a separate group based on this map (p. 227). The Evenki are also close to various Tibetan groups, because these Tibetan groups came from NE Asia also. Amazingly, the Yeniseien (of which Ket is the last surviving member) Language Family has now (in 2004) been conclusively tied to the Amerindian Na-Dene Language Family, the first conclusive linking of a New and Old World language family. Even though the Ket presently reside quite a bit to the north of the Altai region where most Amerindians came from, the Ket used to live down near the Altai thousands of years ago. Northern Turkics include such groups as the Altai, Hazara, Shor, Tofalar, Uighurs, Chelkan, Soyot, Kumandin, Tuva, and Teleut. They are located around the Altai Mountains where China, Mongolia and Russia all come together. This is where most of the Amerindians came from. Evidence for including the Hazara, who speak a language related to Persian, in the Northern Turkic group is a chart that shows the Hazara clustering with the Uighur. Malay Negritos (the Semang) were given a separate race based on a recent study finding them highly differentiated from other Asian populations. The Jehai and Kensui are related Negrito groups in Malaysia (Figure 1). Though Cavalli-Sforza includes Berbers barely into the African square, I include them with Caucasians due to their greater resemblance to Caucasians than African, and also due to genetic analyzes that show that they have little Black in them. However, some Berbers are clearly African. Analyses of the more-Caucasian Berbers find that, across the board, they are on average cluster (p. 169) with Algerians and Bejas. Since Algerians are Caucasian and most Tuaregs are Africans (though they vary considerably), I had to separate them into major races based on appearance. This is one of those cases where genes flies in the face of physical anthropology. Bejas are a mixed-race people living in northeastern Africa and speaking a Cushitic language. They look like Ethiopians. 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Similarly, Nubians are grouped (p. 169) in with the Caucasian Berbers, although most people consider them to be Black people. I lump the Chukchi in with Asians due to their obvious resemblance to Asians. I included Aleuts with Chukchis due to a recent paper showing a linkage. Siberian Eskimos were included for the same reason. The entire group was called the Beringian Race. The Koryaks were split into a separate group due to Cavalli-Sforza’s data. The Itelmen were later added to the Koryaks due to evidence showing that they are related. Both were combined into a Paleosiberian Race. The Reindeer Chukchi, apparently a more Siberian group, was split off due to its great (p. 228) genetic distance from other groups. The Uralic Race was split into a Siberian Uralic Race including the Samoyed, Ket and Nentsy subgroups (p. 227). The Nganasan are an outlier (p. 229) in this group, and there was barely enough evidence to split them into a separate group. Northern Na-Dene speakers were split from the North American Eskimos whom they resemble (p. 323), on the basis of this tree (p. 227). Similarly, Ge and Tucanoan (linguistic groups) Amerindians were split off from the rest due to great distance (p. 322) between them and the others. A Fuegian Amerindian Race was created based on evidence that they exhibit extreme genetic differences with all other Amerindians. They are probably the ancestors of the original peopling of the Americas. The Nootka, or Nuuchahnulth, were also split off due to the finding of a fifth major haplogroup lineage (p. 1166) in them in addition to the main four lineages – A-D – usually found in Amerindians. This line links back to ancient Amerindian remains and goes back to Mongolia. I started out with a General Amerindian Race, but I decided to split it into four races – Northwest American, Northern, Central and Southern. Further, the Amerinds have some of the greatest internal genetic distances of any geographical group, far more, for instance, than the Europeans and Iranians, so the splitting seemed valid. South Indians are included with Caucasians based on a general consensus that these are an ancient group of Caucasians. The reason being their resemblance in facial and body structure to Caucasians. Although genetic studies say that South Indians are all one race and there is good reason to believe this, there is a clear transition from one to the other. There is data linking Vietnamese genetically with Cantonese. Vietnamese genetics are very complex and it is all being worked out. They are clearly an Austronesian-Tai mix with heavy S. Chinese admixture and some undetermined amount of Khmer and Cham mixed in. Vietnamese does not include the Montagnards, who are the indigenous people and seem to be related to Negritos. There is good evidence also linking the Vietnamese and related groups to the Tai, however, there seems to be better evidence linking to them to a small group of mostly Mon-Khmer speakers. The Deang or Paluang, Jinuo, and Blang lump together with the Vietnamese (Lĭ 2006). The Mon-Khmer speaking Deang live in Yunnan, Burma and Thailand, the Tibeto-Burman speaking Jinuo live in Yunnan, and the Blang also live in Yunnan. So the closest living relatives to the Vietnamese people are in Yunnan, and next in Burma and Thailand. Since there is quite a bit more distance between Filipinos and Thais than between Filipinos and Southern Chinese, I split off Thais into a separate race. I also kept the Filipino-Ami Race above, but added the Guangdong Han (Guangdonren in Chinese) to the group based on evidence that they are linked to the Ami. Based on Fig. 1, I further refined the Filipino portion of this group into Tagalog, Visaya and Ilocano speakers, while splitting off the Manobo into a separate group, as they are divergent (Fig. 1). Tagalogs are an ethnic group who live mostly in Luzon and Oriental Mindoro, while Visayan languages are spoken in the Visayas region in the central Philippines, encompassing the islands of Panay, Negros, Cebu, Bohol, Leyte, Samar, and Palawan. Ilocano speakers are located in the far north of Luzon. A race called the Southeast China Race was created based on a tight clustering of the Minnan Nan, Hakka, and overseas Chinese of Singapore and Thailand. Based on Figure 5, the Cantonese Han (outside of Hong Kong) were added to this race. A separate Taiwanese Aborigine Race was split off, based on Cavalli-Sforza’s work. This group, best seen as the principal Taiwanese Aborigine Race, consists of the Atayal, Bunun and Yami. Another Taiwanese Aborigine group, the Paiwan, was split into an Island SE Asian Race based on Cavalli-Sforza. Interestingly, the Paiwan, Atayal and Yami are also somewhat close to the Tai Race (see below). The Taiwanese Aborigines have an interesting background, and their prehistory is in need of further research. In addition to the Thais proper, I also include other Tai groups such as the Tai Lue, Tai Kern, Tai Yong, and Tai Yuan on the basis of Figure 5. All are found in Thailand. Many groups are related to the Thais. They are the Lao, Shan, Dai, Lahu, Aini, and Naxi. The Lahu, Dai, and Aini were included on the basis of this report. All of them are found in Yunnan. This group is found in Southern China (especially Yunnan), Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, and Burma. The Buyei are also related to the Thai. Two aboriginal groups of Thailand are so different as to warrant a separate stock each. The Htin, or Mal, are ancient aborigines of Thailand speaking a Khmuic language. In Figure 1, they are different enough to constitute their own stock. The Mlabri are a very strange group of hunter-gatherers in Thailand who are very poorly understood. They live very primitive lives. Their genetics is wildly diverse and suggests that they were founded from a small stock only 800 years ago or so. That is, they went through a genetic bottleneck. Some think that they are former farmers who went back to land for some reason. They are one of the most genetically wildly diverse people in Asia (see Figure 1). I lumped a number of groups into a Southern Chinese Race, including the Dong, Yi and the Han living in Henan Province, China, based on evidence that they form a group with the Southern Chinese. These groups are found in the Southern Chinese provinces, including Henan, Guangxi, Sichuan, Guizhou, Hainan, and Fujian. I created a Hmong-Mien Race for the Hmong and the Mien, since, while they are close to the Southern Chinese Race, they are different enough to merit their own category (see Figure 1).
Asian Macro Race
Northeast Asian Major Race* Japanese-Korean Race (Japanese – Korean) Southern Japanese Race (Honshu Kinki – Kyushu) Ryukyuan Race (Okinawans) Ainu Race*** (Ainu) Gilyak Race** (Gilyak) Northern Chinese Race (Northern Han – Qiang – Manchu – Hui – Yunnan Han) Oroqen Race (Oroqen) Sherpa-Yakut Race (Sherpa – Yakut) Nepalese Race (Nepali – Newari) Mongolian Race (Mongolian – Inner Mongolian – Buryat – Kazakh) Northern Turkic Race*** (Dolgan – Altai – Shor – Tofalar – Uighur – Chelkan – Soyot – Kumandin – Teleut – Hazara) Central Asian Race (Kirghiz – Karalkalpak – Uzbek – Turkmen) Tuva Race (Tuva) Tungus Race (Even – Evenki – Russian Saami) Siberian Race Beringian Race** (Chukchi – Aleut – Siberian Eskimo) Paleosiberian Race (Koryak – Itelmen) Reindeer Chukchi Race (Reindeer Chukchi) General Tibetan Race (Tibetan – Lisu – Nu – Tujia – Akha – Burmese – Yizu) Mizo Race (Mizo) Bhutanese Race (Bhutanese Buddhist) Siberian Uralic Race (Nentsy – Samoyed – Ket – Mansi – Khanty) Nganasan Race (Nganasan) Uralic Race (Komi – Mari) North American Eskimo Race (Inuit) Amerindian Major Race* Northern Na-Dene Race Northwestern American Amerindian Race Northern Amerind Race Central Amerind Race Southern Amerind Race Ge Amerindian Race (Ge Language Group) Tucanoan Amerindian Race (Tucanoan Language Group) Nootka Amerindian Race (Nuuchahnulth – Makah) Fuegian Amerindian Race (Ona – Yaghan – Kaweskar – Aonikenk – Alacaluf) Southeast Asian Major Race* Southern Chinese Race (Dong – Henan Han – Yi – She – Punu – Naxi) Hmong-Mien Race (Chinese Hmong – Thai Hmong – Mien) Li-Khmer Race (Li – Khmer) Southeast China Race (Hakka – Min Nan – Singapore Chinese – Thai Chinese – Cantonese Han) South China Sea Race (Tagalog – Ilocano – Visayan – Ami Taiwanese Aborigine – Guangdong Han) Manobo Race (Manobo) Philippines Negrito Race (Aeta – Agta – Palau Micronesian) Mangyan-Ati Race (Iraya – Ati) Mamanwa Philippines Negrito Race (Mamanwa) Tai Race (Thai – Tai Lue – Tai Kern – Tai Yong – Tai Yuan – Lao – Lahu – Aini – Shan – Dai – Muong – Buyei) Vietnamese Race (Vietnamese – Deang – Jinuo – Blang) Mlabri Race** (Mlabri) Htin Race (Htin) Kachin Race (Kachin – Karen – Va – Nung – Lu – Lawa) General Taiwanese Aborigine Race (Ayatal – Bunun – Yami) Island SE Asian Race (Paiwan Taiwanese Aborigine – Sea Dayak – Sumatran – Balinese) Bidayuh Race** (Jagoi) Indonesian Race (Sulawesi – Borneo – Lesser Sunda – Sarawak – Javanese) Mentawi Race (Mentawi) Toraja Race (Toraja) Lesser Sunda Race (Kambera – Lembata – Lamaholot – Manggarai) Malay Race (Malaysia Malay – Singapore Malay) Proto-Malay Race** (Temuan) Austroasiatic Race (Mon – Zhuang – She – Ho – Lyngngam) Nongtrai Race (Nongtrai) Santhal-Naga Race (Santhal – Naga – Munda – Kurmi – Sudra) Meghalaya Race (War Jantia – Bhoi – Maram – War Khasi – Kynriam – Nishi – Pnar – Bai) Senoi Race (Senoi) Shompen Race (Shompen) Garo Race (Garo) NE Indian Indo-European Race (Mahishya – Bagdi – Gaud – Tanti – Lodha) Indian Tibeto-Burman Race (Apatani – Nishi – Adi – Tripuri – Jamatia – Mog – Chakma) Semang Malay Negrito Race*** (Semang – Jehai – Kensui) Oceanian Major Race* Micronesian Race (Yap – Kanaka – Toba Batak Indonesian – Kora Batak Indonesian) Polynesian Race* (Tonga – Western Samoa – French Polynesia – Cook Islands) Melanesian Race (Fiji – Vanuatu – New Ireland – Papuan Melanesian – Nasioi – Alor Indonesian)
Australoid Macro Race
Australian Major Race*** General Australian Aborigine Major Race*** Queensland Aborigine Race*** Western Territory Pama-Nguyan Aborigine Race*** Papuan Major Race*** General Papuan Race*** Motu Papuan Race*** Sepik-Ramu Papuan Race*** Greater Andaman Islands Major Race*** Greater Andaman Islands Negrito Race*** Onge Andaman Islands Major Race*** Onge Andaman Islands Negrito Race***
Caucasian Macro Race
General Caucasian Major Race*** European-Iranian Race (Most European – Caucasus – Armenian – Jewish – Turk – Kurd – Iranian – Jordanian – Iraqi – Assyrian – Druze – Lebanese – Georgian – Caspian – Palestinian) Basque Race (Basque) Norwegian-Swedish Saami Race*** (Norwegian Saami – Swedish Saami) Finnish Saami Race** (Finnish Saami) Sardinian Race** (Sardinian) Kuwaiti Race* (Kuwaiti) Arabian Race (Saudi – Yemeni – Bedouin)* West Asian Race (Pashtun – Brahui – Balochi – Makrani – Sindhi ) Tajik Race (Tajik – Bukhara Arab – Shugnan – Kallar – Sourashtran – Yadhava) West Himalayan Race (Hunza – Bartangi – Roma) Berber Race*** (Berber) Egyptian Race (Egyptian) North African Race (Moroccan – Libyan – Tunisian – Canarian) Algerian Race (Algerian) North Indian Race** (Punjabi – Central Indic – Punjabi Brahmin – Rajput – Vania Soni – Mumbai Brahmin – Jat – Kerala Brahmin – Koli) Himalayan Race*** (Gurkha – Tharu – Ladakhi) Karnet-Uttar Pradesh Brahmin Race*** (Karnet – Uttar Pradesh Brahmin) South Indian Race** (Munda – Bhil – Maratha – Rajbanshi – Oraon – Parji – Kolami Naiki – Chenchu Reddi – Konda – Kolya – West Bengal Brahmin – Parsi – Gond) Kerala Kadar Race*** (Kerala Kadar) South Dravidian Race*** (Sinhalese – Lambada – Irula – Izhava – Kurumba – Nayar – Toda – Kota – Malayaraya – Tamil) Kalash Major Race*** Kalash Race*** (Kalash)
African Macro Race
African Major Race*** Tigrean Race*** (Tigrean) Amharic Race*** (Amharic) Sudanese-Barya Race*** (Sudanese – Barya) General Nilotic Race (Shilluk – Masai – Nuer – Dinka – Luo – Turkana – Karanojo – Mabaan) Funji Nilotic Race (Funji) Tuareg-Beja Cushitic Race*** (Tuareg – Beja) Nubian Race*** (Nubian) Wolof-Peul-Serer Race (Wolof – Peul – Serer) General Bantu Race (Most Bantus) Bedik Bantu Race (Bedik) West African Race (Most West Africans) Mbuti Pygmy Race Sara Nilotic-Biaka Pygmy Race (Sara – Biaka) San Khoisan-Somali Race*** (San – Somali) Khoi Khoisan Race*** (Nama – !Ora) Hadza Khoisan Race*** (Hadza) Sandawe Khoisan Race (Sandawe)
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Maybe but I would like to add that many Ryukyuans are Paleomongoloids.
I would like to add that a lot of Taiwan aborigines look exactly like that now. I would say he is a superb example of a Paleomongoloid. And you can see they do look sort of Caucasoid.
So are paleomongoloids basically caucasoid looking?
They can be. You see, when you cross a Mongoloid with an Australoid, you can sometimes end up with a Caucasoid looking phenotype. I have seen this a number of times. There are some Khmers who look like this. Also some Polynesians. I am not sure why this is, but it is possible that there is only a limited set of endpoints for human phenotypes, and a Caucasoid looking phenotype is one of that small set of choices.
Cool great article.The land dayak or bidayuh are not only native to Sarawak but also the border areas of neighbouring West Kalimantan province.However the majority of them live in Sarawak,Malaysia.The bidayuh ethnic group are divided further into several linguistic grouping or dialect groups that are not mutually intelligible.By the way the language is fairly easy to understand if you normally interact or have bidayuh friends.Well robert it would be great if you can come to Kuching,sarawak if you want to learn more about the ethnics and history of this place
It would be great! I would love it!
Neo, not only that but he looks like he has Spanish blood!
do you think he can pass as a kazakh or other central asian guy given with his caucasoid admixture?
He could indeed.
Robert, how would you classify Keanu Reeves? can he pass as “white-passing” white?
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsR/14442-26017.gif
I think he looks white more than anything else -in the 80 percent range- he may have some residual neomongoloid facial features, but the shape of his skull looks extremely caucasian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBZS7sCuao
Would he fit in better in the angloshpere or central asia?
So is he in between neomongoloid, paleomongoloid, australoid and caucasoid?
Neomongoloid-Caucasoid cross.
Is Kennewick Man Australoid or Paleomongoloid?
Sort of both…
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The Aeta People
Ethnonyms: Ayta, Agta, Atta, Ata, Ati, Ita
Countries inhabited: The Philippines
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The Aeta live in the northern part of the Philippines on the island of Luzon. Historians and anthropologists debate precisely when and how they migrated here, the consensus being that they crossed from the island of Borneo between 20 and 30 thousand years ago, using a land bridge that was partially covered by water around 5,000 years ago — the remaining part of which is now the island of Palawan. Whatever the migration path was, they are without doubt among the first — if not the first — inhabitants of the Philippines. One area of that country where the Aetas had lived for thousands of years was Mount Pinatubo. An active volcano, it erupted in June of 1991. The eruption was one of the worst in history and was devastating to the nearby Aeta population. Around a quarter million people lost their home — many of them Aetas. Although the Filipinos are still cleaning up the ash to this day, the Aetas have long since re-settled in urban areas of Luzon. It is doubtful they will ever return to their former homeland.
Traditionally a hunting/ gathering people, the Aetas are still among the most skilled anywhere on earth in jungle survival. This skill was not overlooked by the US military. During the American war in Vietnam, the US naval base at Subic Bay was conveniently located close to the Aeta village of Pastolan. Many Vietnam veterans were trained in jungle survival here before they ever went to Vietnam.
One man in particular, Manifacio De La Junta Florentino, photographed above, played such a large part in that training that the walls of his humble house are covered with accolades and letters of appreciation from high-ranking military personnel. Mr. Florentino was my host during my stay in his village.
These days Mr. Florentino lets the next generation practice jungle survival and demonstrate the techniques to visitors. His time is taken up by his duties as village headman, as well as the keeper of the karaoke machine. Children flock to his house most evenings to give their rendition of western songs. If you’ve traveled in Southeast Asia you’ll know that karaoke is the single most common form of entertainment. Even so, it was strange to see how popular it was in this village.
It shouldn’t have been so surprising, though. These days the Aetas have many outside influences on their traditional culture and lifestyle. One example is religion. Although the Spanish brought Catholicism to the Philippines, that conversion was largely restricted to the Malay population that had become the majority inhabitants. The Spanish had little contact with the indigenous peoples of the Philippines. Still Catholicism has reached many Aetas, including those I saw in Pastolan village.
Other “modern” influences on the Aetas include inter-marriage with Filipinos and the games of pool and basketball. That last one is a surprise when you realize that many Aetas are less that 5 feet tall!
Although the Aetas were among the first inhabitants of the Philippines, natural disasters and exploitation of their land for natural resources have acted over the years to displace many of them. However, the government has recently paid more attention and respect to their heritage and way of life through organizations such as The Indigenous People Development Plan. As recently as February 2nd, 2001 the Aetas in these pictures were granted Ancestral Domain Title to their land. The official certificate reads that this title was granted in virtue of their “having continuously occupied, possessed and utilized [the land] since time immimorial.” Interestingly, it is written neither in Aeta Ambala, their tribal language (for which a writing system was developed only in the second half of the 20th Century, and which few Aetas speak any more), nor in Tagalog, the most widely spoken language in the Philippines, rather it is written in English.
Aeta children go to school these days. Here the curriculum is no different from that followed by their Filipino peers. The subjects taught include English, culture and good manners. The school in the village is desperately short of materials though. The children were very interested in my visit to their school. The photograph above shows them singing a “welcome” song for me — which they sang in both English and Tagalog.
They were just as welcoming after school when they saw me in their village. When the karaoke machine was turned on for the evening’s entertainment, they insisted I sing them a song! After straining to complete My Way and handing back the microphone I grabbed my camera. The children then immediately grouped themselves for an impromptu shot.
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Eder, J. F., (1988) On the Road to Tribal Extinction: Depopulation, Deculturation, and Maladaptation Among the Batak of the Philippines. Berkeley, CA: University of California Press.
Brosius, J. P., (1990) After Duwagan: Deforestation, Succession, and Adaptation in Upland Luzon, Philippines. Michigan Studies of South and Southeast Asia Number 2. Center for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Michigan Press.
Early, J. D. & Headland, T. N. (1998) Population Dynamics of a Philippine Rain Forest People: The San Ildefonso Agta. Gainesville, FL: University Press of Florida.
P. B. Griffin & A. Estioko-Griffin, eds. (1985) The Agta of Northeastern Luzon: Recent Studies. Cebu City, the Philippines: San Carlos Publications.
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robert, is it possible that neomongoloid features can be developed in tropical climates in human evolution?
Yes, look at the Southern Chinese.
what about for example the polynesians. can polynesians who live in the tropics become neomongoloids without mixing with the chinese a.k.a. chinese mass infusion?
Polynesians are not Neos. They are Australoid-Paleomongoloid mix.
what about the polynesians? can polynesians living in the tropics become neomomgoloids without mixing with the chinese, japanese or koreans?
No.
so there are warm adapted neomongoloids and cold adapted paleomongoloids like the ainu, am i right?
Yes that is correct.
Can you classify this filipino guy:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWm_8BArYvs7D8iB5m-KYuqn_xYibg8mZfNtX-JQln_PZDdsx_
Is he paleomogoloid or neomongoloid? Some say he looks korean but i would say he is a mixed race.
Neo.
If malays are indonesian people but minus the mongoloid, the koreans are japanese people but minus the ainu australoid, am i right?
Malays and Indonesians are more or less the same type I think.
The Koreans are Japanese people but minus the Ainu Australoid, am I right?
This is japanese actress Satomi Ishihara:
http://www.redflava.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/sa6.jpg
and this is japanese actor Kentaro Sakaguchi:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/94/04/84/940484df77bd7389653c52784b34e987.jpg
They look korean, isnt? If i were a japanese, i would say that they are attractive and i will also add that they are exotic just like the ainu.
Pretty much classic Japanese types, all of them. Some of them almost look Caucasoid.
Yeah, I totally feel that they resemble Caucasians!
Those guys don’t look exotic at all.
Check out these Japanese guys, they just look plain weird, especially the first one. Very atypical. They’re both 100 percent Japanese, apparently – I wonder if they pass off as Japanese in Japan without any questions asked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPB8XeSi8Y
The first guy looks more Caucasian than your average Kyrgyzstani. The second one looks like he could have some Ainu admixture.
Can you classify Japanese actress Maho Nonami:
http://i.mdldb.net/cache/x98/63138616771222584_22553c46_c.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_z8v_oIquXPk/TPjvuO7gmtI/AAAAAAAAEFE/OaWFI9vJPVw/s1600/Maho+Nonami.jpg
Is she Paleomongoloid or neomongoloid?
Neo.
Robert, which mongoloid type is more attractive? Paleomongoloid or neomongoloid?
LOL I am not going to answer that question…
which is more archaic? mongoloids or caucasoids?
Have you heard and seen the very famous Filipino boxer Manny Paquiao? What phenotype is he? Paleomongoloid or neomongoloid?
Who is he?
This is Manny Paquiao:
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/sports/boxing/fighters/manny-pacquiao-1024.jpg
He looks somewhat mixed with mexican isnt?
If most filipinos are paleomongoloids, are ethnic tagalogs neomongoloids? Also, can you name some minor ethnic groups in the philippines that are neomongoloid ?
No they are all Paleos. The only Neos are the Chinese or the ones with a lot of Chinese in them.
Can you classify these filipinas?
http://unlipromo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Vaseline-Jollibee-Party-Blowout-Promo.jpg
https://m1.behance.net/rendition/modules/125794637/disp/1d1d98860dbd84270496150b534d9698.jpg
Are they paleomongoloid or neomongoloid?
Both Neos, I think.
I do not think Filipinos are the niggers of Asia. I think Filipinos are the Mexicans of Asia based on the appearance while the Chinese are equivalent to Americans of the U.S. based on economic and militaristic achievement. I think China also has the largest population in Asia like the United States in the American Continent. As for the Koreans, they are maybe equivalent to Nordics(I think the most progressive caucasians) due to their very progressive(i think koreans are the most progressive mongoloids) appearance. Am I right? I don’t really mean racism. I am just here for questions.
This might not be a bad analogy.
Do you think the Filipinos are a more progressive version of Mexican people as Southern Chinese are a more progressive version of Taiwanese Aborigines?
Filipinos and Mexicans are not related so there is no comparison to be made. But you are correct that Southern Chinese (particularly Taiwanese, who are close to Taiwanese aborigines) are a more progressive version of Taiwanese aborigines.
If Chinese are equivalent to Americans and Korens to Nordics, which European or Caucasian type will the Japanese and Vietnamese be equivalent to?
Asian Anthropology 101: what you think about the old controversy of the appareance of anime characters? to be 100% honest with you, when i was a child and saw the animated characters, i didn’t think their features were very Japanese … though i quickly identified their skin color to be accurate to the one of the people from Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjCFvaNwJQ
Ok.
Can you classify Filipino Actress Alex Gonzaga
http://philnews.ph/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Alex-Gonzaga.jpg
Is she Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid?
Neo, but really she is a Mestiza with a Helluva lot of White Spaniard in her.
Are Jews and Arabs considered Asian?
No, they are Caucasians.
Neomongoloid. He looks very Southern Chinese.
Can you classify Japanese Actress Ayame Misaki
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq78/Mr_GT_Chris/Ayame_Misaki_hot_idol_5.jpg
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/honey-thelive/images/chara/003.jpg
Is she Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid?
I think Neo, but she is a bit different looking.
She is Hot-leoloid!
Clearly….this is a race separate from all other humans in class of it’s own.
Are Koreans admixed with Caucasoid as what some people claim?
I do not think so.
Are there Paleomongoloid minorities existing in Korea?
No, there were some, but they killed them off.
Are there light skinned Australoid types that exists other than the Ainu?
I do not think so.
Can you classify Filipino Actress Andrea Brillantes
http://philnews.ph/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Anna-Liza.jpg
Is she Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid
Neomongoloid, very much.
Robert, if the Japanese who are half Neomongoloid and half Australoid still considered Neomongoloid, are those who are mostly Australoid with only 1/8 or less Neomongoloid already considered Paleomongoloid?
No Japs are 20% Australoid.
are those who are mostly Australoid with only 1/8 or less Neomongoloid already considered Paleomongoloid?
I think you are talking about some Negritos and surely some Melanesians here, and no, that is not correct. They are still quite Australoid.
Then how many percent of Neomongoloid or at least Paleomongoloid does an Australoid have to get to become Paleomongoloid?
Maybe 80%.
Do you think Australoids will soon extinct due to mass genocides and intermarriages done by other Mongoloid and Caucasoid races?
There are no genocides really, some are being genocided like Andaman Islanders. The Ainu are being bred out. The Melanesians are still the same. The Papuans are still the same. The Negritos do not seem to be inbreeding heavily with the others in Thailand and the Philippines. Tamils have a good healthy stock that is not experiencing significant interbreeding with more Caucasoid types. Aborigines are already 1/2 Caucasian, but the phenotype is still strong.
Bottom line is I do not see these folks going out anytime soon.
Robert, if a Paleomongoloid is 80% Neomongoloid and 20% Australoid, why the Japanese who are 80% Neomongoloid and 20% Australoid considered Neomongoloid?
80% Neo and 20% Australoid isn’t a Paleo. Japanese don’t look like Paleos. They look like Neos. A lot of this categorizing is simply based on observable phenotype, not genetics.
So if a person looks Neomongoloid but has more percent of Paleomongoloid genes, will he still be categorized as Neomongoloid? And will a half Neomongoloid half Australoid that looks Neomongoloid be categorized too as Neomongoloid?
Are there Neomongoloid-Negroid crossbreeds existing?
LOL! Not really. There are some Black-Vietnamese mixes in Vietnam, but supposedly they are treated very badly in Vietnam. They are from Black male US soldiers and Vietnamese women.
Are the Montagnards and the Cham people in Vietnam also being treated badly?
I am not sure but those Montagnards are definitely Paleos, I can assure you of that. And they are some pretty primitive Paleos too.
If ever Filipinos will transition into Neomongoloids, will they look like the Vietnamese or the Southern Chinese? And if the Australian Aborigines will transition into Neomongoloids, will they look like dark skinned Koreans or Japanese since most of them live in the desert and isnt, NE Asians before looked like Ainu/Australian Aborigine?
Do you think that if the Khoisans did not mix with the Australoids in Europe and West Asia, will there be no Caucasoids? Will the modern Europeans and modern West Asians(Arabs, Jews, etc.) transition to Paleomongoloids and Neomongoloids instead since pure Australoids evolve to Mongoloids only. Do you think that only Mongoloid, Negroid, Australoid and Capoid will exist?
Were the first Chinese(Shang Dynasty people) look similar to Negritos. I have read several websites claiming that the first Chinese were black.
Are there Neomongoloids darker(almost as dark as Indians) than Southern Chinese and Vietnamese? And are there Paleomongoloids other than the Ainu that are very light skinned?
If there is a division between the Northern Chinese and the Southern Chinese, should the Chinese people in Western China be regarded as another separate group of Chinese since most of them(especially the Uighur people) have varying degrees of Caucasoid admixture that are identical to Central Asians?
Are Spaniards and other Modern Mediterraneans identical to English and Northern Europeans?
Can you classify these Okinawan people?http://thump01.pbase.com/g3/82/265582/3/58754363.protectcopy1.jpg
Who is Paleomongoloid and Neomongoloid among them?
The first woman is extremely Paleo, and the couple in back of her with the baby just look like Japanese people.
Are these Okinawan people Paleomongoloids?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Vz_7Wt8rCyY/TRlVYSDAO7I/AAAAAAAAAtw/i_j-Umt-iI8/s1600/10IMGP1176W.jpg
Paleos.
Hello Robert. Will you be kind to classify my facial appearance/race in my pictures in these links:
https://z-1-scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11694787_1096966000332539_4464872122483039887_n.jpg?oh=ea180a149abf288745e070b51d83fa8b&oe=56171E0D
https://z-1-scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/65732_421620134586717_550683734_n.jpg?oh=701294fff508c8e75494c993d4addf53&oe=5631118E
Am I Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid? Please do not share my pictures nor post a topic about my appearance.
Where are you from?
I am from the Philippines, why are you asking? So may I ask you if am I Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid just only based on what you observe on my appearance in those 2 links?
I am not sure. You are either a Neo or a Paleo that is well on the way to becoming a Neo.
Clearly Filipino.
Robert, so I am either a Neomongoloid or a Mongoloid type that is halfway between Paleomongoloid and Neomongoloid, am I right? And also what other Asian nationality I can pass for other than Chinese because some of my fellow Filipinos and even some Chinese always mistake and ask me if I am Chinese. I was even somewhat shocked when during my Upper School years, one of my batchmates (she is a Filipina), who studied in Korea for 1 year asked me if I am Korean. I am sure she knows enough what does a Korean look like since she was exposed to those people. I was not offended, I was even impressed (because I like Koreans) but I am not sure.
You may well be a Neo. I do not see a lot of archaic features in your face.
Lion of the Judah-sphere, but what Mongoloid type am I, not what nationality I look like. So what is your opinion on my facial appearance? Am I Paleomongoloid or Neomongoloid?
Well, I thank you for answering my question. But what other Asian nationality I can pass for?
LOL I do not know. Maybe Lao or Thai.
Are there also Neomongoloids in Thailand and Laos?
It seems like there are a lot of them. Honestly it is pretty hard to tell a lot of Neos from Paleos in SE Asia. A lot of those Paleos are pretty far along.
Or can I pass for a Tibetan or an Eskimo?
No I do not think so.
Can I also pass for a Vietnamese?
Can I also pass for Southern Chinese or Thai Chinese?
Not sure, honestly.
I don’t believe the word race should be used unless id on’t understand what is one species called that can no longer interbreed with diverging species . I mean are there any two “races ” people that can’t propegate a child together if so then they are a different race otherwise it just a social construct
I have some words about the Zhuang to tell you.
First of all, your article claims that the Proto-Tai came from Central Asia. That’s a questionable study. The most recent research on linguistics has revealed that the Proto-Tai-Kadai migrated back from Taiwan and they are closely related to the Austronesians. The basic lexicon between two branches of Hlai and Kadai in Tai-Kadai language family show a striking similarity to Austronesian, i.e. Indonesian. However, examining the Tai branch, linguists see that original lexicon in Tai branch were replaced by some other linguistic stock. That shows a linguistic contact between Proto-Tai and other groups in the ancient times and the genetic mix-up may also have taken place.
In conclusion, according to linguistic studies, the original Tai-Kadai may have been Austronesian inhabited in Taiwan island. Then later, when moving back to the mainland of southern mainland, they may have mixed up with other ethno-linguistic groups. It’s also worth mentioning that the trace of Kam-Tai language, an earlier form of Proto-Tai, is discovered in southern part of the state of Chu (1030 BC–223 BC) by comparing between non-sinitic words on unearthed inscriptional materials and reconstructed Old-Chinese. This indicates that the geographic distribution of Proto-Tai speakers is quite different from the current understanding. And who did they mix up with is still unknown. You can see that the appearance of the present-day Tai speakers in south China is obviously different from that of the Austronesians, such as Malay and Indonesians.
On IQ of this ethno-linguistic stock, since there’s no official research on IQ of the Zhuang that has been published so far and there’s also a genetic difference between northern and southern population, I doubt if their IQ scores lower than or equal to the Chinese’s mean IQ. If you have data available on the internet, please let me know. Thanks.
Hi Robert,
I’m not an anthropologist or even an anthropology student, but I stumbled across your article while doing some research on my own roots. I’m half Scottish/English on my mother’s side, and the other half is Armenian (my father came from Syria, but his grandparents were from Armenia proper). We are mostly pretty dark. There are definitely lighter folks in our family but for the most part our line seems to be of darker complexion, with large, dark brown eyes, high cheekbones, and of shorter stature with a medium frame.
I gather that Armenians are pretty distinctly Caucasian in origin, however, beyond that I’m uncertain what racial subgroups we belong to and further, which other racial groups we are related to. Our history seems to be somewhat unique compared to many of the peoples from surrounding areas. Are Armenians too intermixed now, after so much border-shifting and, more recently, diaspora, to be able to be sure of our origins?
I’d really like to know if I have more in common with the Turks, the Berbers, the Iranians, the Greeks and Italians, or the peoples of western Europe, or another group altogether! Frankly it’s confusing enough for me that I can’t even be certain which boxes I’m supposed to check on forms. “White,” obviously, for the Scottish/English–but am I also Western Asian or Middle Eastern? Not Arab, exactly, due to my people not speaking Arabic, but as far as race goes is associating with Arabs far-fetched?
Help! I really found your article fascinating, by the way, thanks for sharing all your thoughts and research!
Hi Armenians are closest to Kurds, Turks and Ashkenazi Jews. In other words, they are one of the peoples of Great Anatolia. Turks and Armenians hate each other so much they want to kill each other on sight, but they really are just brothers. Cain and Abel.
You folks are not Arabs or Berbers, that’s for sure. You are not Greeks, Italians or West Europeans for sure either. How close you are to the Iranians, I am not so sure. You might want to look that one up.
Lindsay did you ban me?
Your IP got banned somehow, and I have no idea how that even happened.
I have a question? How different are Nepali people from Indian and Chinese ethnic groups? Is there any Aboriginal ethnic group of Nepal are all the 100+ ethnic groups all migrants and refugees from other regions and nations?
The “pure” Caucasian race is centred around the Caucasus. This pure gene pool has undergone a mutation in the West in Europe to suit the environs as well admixing with other populations. The same is the case with Caucasian population moving into India etc.
Robert the Kalash are South Asian per Razib Khan:
Our Magnificent Bastard Race
This post is excellent! The one thing that I think is that all Dravidians, given that they are Australoid, I thought should be included in the same Australian Major Race due to their very close resemblance to Australian Aborigines.
It’s a tough call. On genes, Dravidians clearly fit into the Caucasoid group, but they are also close to Australoids like Andaman Islanders. I am going by genes here, not skulls. The best analysis seems to be that Indians are about halfway between Caucasians and Asians, with Asians meaning a very large group of people including Australoids.
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Just wondering, how genetically distant are Australoids and Caucasoids? Would the distance be nearly as great as Australoids from Sub Saharan Africans?
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