The Morgenthau Plan

I can’t believe that we actually did this. Reading this Wikipedia article, one assumes that the Wiki piece must have been written by neo-Nazis. Surely that could not be the case. The truth, then, resembles neo-Nazi propaganda about US aims and behavior in the first half-decade after the war.
It’s funny because you go looking for research on the case and mostly all these neo-Nazi sites come up. You read through them and think, “Yeah, but their Nazis, so you know they’re lying.” I think they are definitely exaggerating, but I was blown away by how close the neo-Nazi sites’ descriptions of this plan mirrored its actual implementation.
Not that I sympathize with Nazis. My general rule is when you start reading neo-Nazi stuff and you have to nod your head and say, “Wow, these guys are definitely not good for the Jews, but how can we deny that what they are saying is true,” that means not that Nazis are cool but that something is rotten in Denmark.
When you read Who Rules America, and nod your head at the Nazis’ analysis of Jewish media power, that’s not good. When you read William Pierce on Russian Jews bleeding Russian dry and participating in a White slave trade of East European Orthodox Christian girls to Israel and nod your head, that’s not good. It’s not good when the Nazis are right. Not good for the Jews. Not good for anyone.
Same with this Morgenthau Plan. Not that Nazis, or Germans (What was the difference, anyway? Most Germans, but not all for sure, were Nazis all right) didn’t more or less deserve it. Yeah, paybacks are a bitch and all that. But I also think you should give people a good reason to surrender.
Surrender to we can enslave you, starve you to death, let you die from disease, de-industrialize your country and maybe kill 20 million of your countrymen is not a very good reason for me to put down my gun and quit shooting. If there’s a pretty good chance you’re going to kill me anyway, why not die on my feet, gun blazing, like a man. That was the mindset of the Warsaw Ghetto, a tragic but noble one.
Give people a reason to live, for Chrissake.
Same reason I’ve always opposed beating up people who are arrested. Having been cuffed a couple of times and manhandled by the cops, I figure the cops want to beat up everyone they arrest. What’s the point? Getting arrested is bad enough. Being imprisoned is bad enough. Losing in a war is bad enough. You should treat your former enemy kindly enough so he does not want to take up arms against you again.
I also think that there was something just intrinsically wrong about starving all those Germans to death and raping all those German women. Whether they deserved it or not, I still don’t think it was right to do it to them. As above, there’s no point to punishing the defeated in war. Defeat alone is punishment enough.
The neo-Nazi sites claim 13 million excess German deaths 1945-50 via this plan. Wiki doesn’t give a figure, but you wonder if the Nazis are right on that one too. Remember. Anytime Nazis are right, it can’t be good.
Ross Vachon’s Semitism Run Wild is an excellent exploration of the Morgenthau Plan, drawing analogies to the neocons as latter inheritors of the Morgenthau throne.

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33 thoughts on “The Morgenthau Plan”

  1. Robert,
    Just think about the truth as something that is good, and think secondarily about who prescribes to the truth. If someone finds the truth to go against their beliefs, and he or she experience a certain degree of cognitive dissonance, fine–that is what growing is all about. If someone finds out that a truth is ‘racist,’ for example, does that make the truth less true or relevant?

  2. As long as we are talking about WW2 and Nazi stuff, I recommend reading about Germany’s side as it related to the Dresden fire bombings.
    You have to give info online (wiki has a somewhat fair take but still slanted)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
    Why was there 8 movies on the Holocaust this past Christmas and on note on Dresden, Holodomor Tragedy/Genocide, or Armenian Genocide? Take a guess!
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,2313474.column

  3. Of course not, Scott, truths are truths whether they are “racist” or not.
    OTOH, there are some facts that there does not seem to be any good point in talking about all the time. How does it help us to constantly talk about racial differences that make some races look and feel bad? What’s the point? Never mind that the folks who want to talk about this stuff all the time have it in for the races that feel bad and want to hurt them, not help them.
    So people who are made to look bad by racial truths are not going to want to have them discussed to much and are suspicious of the motives of those who incessantly peddle them.

  4. To be honest, Scott, this blog is all about the truth, stating the truth, etc etc. That’s one of the main problems with it. Because by doing so, I end up on just about everybody’s shit list.

  5. “The naivete, not to mention ignorance, with which certain European circles see the Jewish Question in the fourth year of this gigantic struggle is astonishing. They cannot or will not see that this war is a war of the Jewish race and its subject people against Western culture and civilization.

    Jewry wanted this war. Whether one looks to the plutocratic or the bolshevist side of the enemy camp, one sees Jews standing in the foreground as instigators, rabble-rousers and slave drivers. They organize the enemy’s war economy and encourage plans to exterminate and destroy the Axis powers. England and the USA recruit from among them bloodthirsty and vengeful agitators and political lunatics, and they are the source of the terror commissars of the GPU. They are the mortar that holds the enemy coalition together. In the National Socialist Reich, they see a power that resists their drive for world domination both militarily and intellectually. That explains their rage and deep hatred. Do not think that the Old Testament tirades of their newspapers and radio are merely political propaganda. They would carry it all out to the letter, should they have the opportunity.
    …This war is a racial war. The Jews started it and they direct it. Their goal to destroy and exterminate our people. We are the only force standing between Jewry and world domination.
    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb37.htm

  6. The fire bombings of Dresden were truly horrible. An excellent book about them from an American GI who opposed the bombing is Slaughterhouse-5 by Kurt Vonnegut.
    However, there were no 100,000 or 150,000 killed or whatever. There were about 32,000 killed. I find the justifications for the firebombing of Dresden not to be very convincing. When you read first hand accounts from the survivors of the horror, it’s hard to see any justification of it.

  7. I linked to that How Jewish is Hollywood article in a previous post.
    WB, Scott!
    Course I don’t hate you. I don’t give a damn if you’re a White nationalist or not. You’re friendly and polite, and that’s all that matters.

  8. I don’t know what to make of this stuff. I’ve read James Bacque’s ‘Crimes and Mercies’ (it may have been heg who recommended it to me), and it’s a pretty horrendous tale. But how much of it is true? The Morgenthau plan certainly existed; it seems it was partially implemented for a while; the evictees from Poland and Czechoslovakia suffered terribly from violence, exposure and hunger. But for how long, and how many died? Bacque gives impressive figures and tends to the higher end of the estimates. I have read that his work has been refuted, but, as one often finds, it turns out the authors of the book that refutes Bacque (can’t remember, sorry?) turn out to be employees of the Roosevelt Institute ( Roosevelt was responsible for however much of the plan was implemented). It’s a strange one this – it gets next to no attention anywhere, though there are a few good books on it. It seems it’s a case of ” ignore it and it’ll go away”. On a lefty blog recently I read a disparagement of someons ” he believes seriously that the only genocide committed in WWII was the allied starving to death of 7 million Germans after the war. LOL” This topic hasn’t attracted enough attention to be proscribed yet.
    I’ve a feeling the truth, as with the Holocaust, is somewhere between the US/UK/jewish approved history, and the swing-too-much-the-other-way assertions of German nationalists ( who dare not speak their name).
    Sad to say, I’d rather take my chances with Hitler than with Morgenthau and his ilk; and it’s depressing to see his ilk with nuclear-armed missiles capable of hitting every European city, and nuclear-armed subs ( supplied by Germany – I kid you not) just in case we get a punch in.

  9. “OTOH, there are some facts that there does not seem to be any good point in talking about all the time. How does it help us to constantly talk about racial differences that make some races look and feel bad?”
    I agree that differences should not be talked about to make races feel bad. I believe that WN’s talk about these differences to try to change the consensus. The current consensus is that the races are intellectually the same and this puts the blame at the feet of Whites for Black underachievers. If this were not the case we would not have political correctness. We want to change the consensus slowly so political correctness will go away, and, non-Asian minorities will stop blaming their lack of success on Whites.
    The academic and political consensus in America today is that of egalitarianism in abilities, and not just egalitarianism as far as human dignity under the law (I believe in this). Such egalitarianism particularly hurts low-IQ Whites, who are at a disadvantage to high-IQ blacks, as a result of ‘affirmative’ action.
    The main reason we cannot talk about racial differences is not that it will hurt Blacks, but that it will become known that Jews are smarter. It is safer to be a less intelligent minority than a smart one, or, so history shows.

  10. The main reason we cannot talk about racial differences is not that it will hurt Blacks, but that it will become known that Jews are smarter. It is safer to be a less intelligent minority than a smart one, or, so history shows.
    What the heck, Scott. That’s was a pretty damned insightful comment. Not sure I agree with it, but good show anyway.

  11. 1.) Jews do control Hollywood.
    2.) Jews do wield enormous influence in the U.S. news and entertainment media. They really are vastly overrepresented.
    3.) Jews do use their media power to advance their ethnic interests.
    4.) The Jewish Lobby near controls U.S. Middle East foreign policy.
    5.) Jews were the vanguard of the Civil Rights Movement.
    6.) Jews have been the leading agitators in undermining the concept of race.
    7.) Over half of America’s billionaires are Jews.
    8.) Jews are the financiers of the Democratic Party.
    The “Nazis” are right about all of the above.

  12. You want the truth Robert?
    Explain to us all how a gas chambers work.
    This is real esay, how do you gas six millions if you don’t even know how to gas one person?

  13. I have never understood why people attack Germany for the Holocaust. The Germans were merely eliminating an unwanted and univited Middle Eastern population from Europe. The Jews should have stayed in the Middle East in the first place instead of allowing their greed for gentile money lure them into Europe. Unfortunately, in this age of political correctness, tolerance means letting Jews do whatever they feel like including moving into other peoples’ countries.

  14. Thanks. To further clarify what I meant by consensus, I am referring to the explicit consensus. Implicitly, everyone knows that the races have different abilities on average. But explicit beliefs are what affects policy, so we are trying to change the explicit beliefs which will change race preference laws, etc.

  15. To be honest, Scott, this blog is all about the truth, stating the truth, etc etc.
    That is incorrect. For example, you have claimed that Barack Obama is “the first black President of the United States,” but he not – he is the first mulatto President. Moreover, he is the first illegitimately elected President as he is not an American citizen.

  16. I never read any of Göbbel’s writing before, but I read some of Hitler’s speeches and some part of Mein Kampf, and they are right to the core. They are true intellectuals who know exactly what they say.
    Hitler was right. It’s that simple: Hitler was right.
    Anyone can say anything about Hitler – except the truth.
    Any stupid dimwit can say any lie about Hitler and the jews will promot this idiot that knows nothing about Hitler, have read nothing that Hitler ever said or wrote, and knows not the first thing about the jews, as TruthTeller.
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    They make their judgments on the feelings of the moment rather than on the knowledge and insight resulting from clear and calm reason. It is clear that if during this war we show the least weakening of our determination to resolve the Jewish Question, the result will be the gravest danger to our people and Reich and all of Europe.
    We constantly hear news that anti-Semitism is increasing in enemy nations.
    But if one extends them even a finger of pity, they chop the whole hand off.
    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb37.htm
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    How many people can read and understand what Göbbel’s said? Not many and the reason is that very few knows the true face of the jew mafia.
    How many can even spell to Talmud, less have read Talmud? I have read some of Talmud and it spews hate over everything not jewish from page one to the last page. The jewish Talmud is the most racist book ever written.
    Jesus is in hell boiling to his ears in excrement and his mother is a whore.
    Talmud judaism is all about one thing and one thing only – hate for anything not kosher, jew approved.
    The Talmud hate had one purpose, to knit the tribe. What the priest of Talmud did was they told the jews that all non-jews hated all the jews and they wanted to exterminate the jews at all cost, and they had to stick togehter at all cost against the evil non-jews.
    The next step is to start to think about how to control those evil non-jews. That the jew mafia have used 3.500 years to think about and write down adding another chapter to Talmud how to control non-jews. Talmud is a manual for the jews to get on top of non-jews and to take all non–jews as slaves.
    Communist manifesto and the protocol of zion are updated, quick version of Talmud.
    A small group of jews own the whole propaganda-machine in the western world – that is a fact nobody can deny.
    Once you own the propaganda-machine you can tell the (m)asses any lie you want, and that is what the jews do, they lie.
    The jews crie and whine non-stop of how innocent and persecuted for no other reason but envy and hate from the racist white males, the jews are.
    The simple truth is that the jews are envy of the white male, because the jew is a whining, buttugly, short, smelly DNA-waste abortion gone wrong.
    This is how the jews portray the white male in his propaganda-machine.
    If you want to know what the jews really think about the white people, take any arab hate mongering propaganda and exchange the word “arab” or “muslim” with white people. It’s EXACTLY the same propaganda and it’s the jews who spew this propaganda. The only difference is that the stupid white fuck thinks he is a smartass when he say “sandnigger” and the like.
    If you can control and aim hate, you got a powerful secret weapon and the jew mafia knows everything there is to know about hate, they have studied hate and what you can do with hate for 3.500 years.
    Just look at TV, the hate mongering is all over. Every single group are told to hate white males. Every single group are told to hate arabs. We are told that there are no races, yet the jew owned propaganda-machine does nothing else than talk about race and pitting the black against the white people. The niggers are told non-stop that all the white people hate niggers.
    Just look at TV, all the time it’s about pitting people agains each other. You can say anything about muslims or white people – that the jews call: Freedom of speech – but say the slightest and moderat criticism against the jew mafia and you are instantly labeled: Hate speech!
    The only one that is spreding hate is the jew mafia and this is what people need to wake up to and realise that it’s the jew mafia that is behinde and pitting every single group of people agains each other.
    Nobody care if someone is a homo – except the jew mafia and that is why there are homohomohomohomo 24-7 in the jew mafia propaganda-machine – to stir shit up.
    The jew mafia did this in Germany in the 1930s in Germany and they are doing exact same thing today in America and in EU.

  17. There are 35.ooo nigger raping white women in America today. The jew controlled propaganda-machine say nothing about this fact. Not one single word, but if a white male says Fucking Nigger or the like that is all main page for two years.
    If you still don’t get it, watch Sky News. That is so bad jew propaganda that eve the most stupid fuck should be able to see what is going on. Watch Sky News.

  18. Dang heg.
    You done?
    The Talmud hate had one purpose, to knit the tribe. What the priest of Talmud did was they told the jews that all non-jews hated all the jews and they wanted to exterminate the jews at all cost, and they had to stick togehter at all cost against the evil non-jews.
    Ok, this much is true. I’ll give you credit for that. As a matter of fact, Super-Jews and a lot of Zionists still say that very same thing that you wrote in the second sentence.
    So you are 5% right.
    But Islam says some pretty similar things, and pours a lot of hatred and scorn on non-Muslims, forbids Muslim women from marrying non-Muslims, tells Muslims not to befriend or associate with non-Muslims, tells them to fight non-Muslims, etc. It’s almost worse than Judaism. At least Jews are not running around blowing us up and trying to convert us by the sword. That’s what Islam does.

  19. James Whales Says: Unfortunately, in this age of political correctness, tolerance means letting Jews do whatever they feel like including moving into other peoples’ countries.
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    Never use the word “unfortunaly” in any context with PC. All you have do do to get PC is making a taboo, next step is to wide the taboo. The jew mafia have made jews holy cows you can’t criticise. The jew mafia have made niggers holy cows. The jew mafia have made homo holy cows. The jew mafia has mad 3-world immigrants holy cows. That has nothing whatsoever to do with “Unfortunaly”, this is deliberatly implemented.

    “tolerance means letting Jews do whatever they feel like including moving into other peoples’ countries.”
    That is spot on! This is the reason why the jew mafia is relentless promoting No borders, so that the jews can move anywhere they like. In the 1860s or 1870s the russian tsar wanted a loan from Rothschild, and yes he could have the loan – If he let the jews immigrat to Russia and live whereever they chose to in Russia. The tsar said no to unlimited immigration into Russia for jews. That is the main reason Rothschild turned all the jews against the tsar. If you read anything jewish related to the tsar you will see that the jews in Russia hated the tsar.
    If you can aim and control hate you got a powerful weapon.

  20. RL: But Islam says some pretty similar things, and pours a lot of hatred and scorn on non-Muslims, forbids Muslim women from marrying non-Muslims, tells Muslims not to befriend or associate with non-Muslims, tells them to fight non-Muslims, etc. It’s almost worse than Judaism. At least Jews are not running around blowing us up and trying to convert us by the sword. That’s what Islam does.
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    Do you know what the koran says about Jesus and his mother? They are hold in the highest regard. Now, compare that whit the hate in the jewish Talmud against Jesus and his mother.
    I really don’t care what the muslims are doing as long as they do it in their own country. Who am I to tell the muslims how to live?
    Muslims have been MADE a problem because they have been allowed to immigrate to the western world. Muslim? Problem? Return to sender. Case closed. The muslim problem is easy to solve, you send them back where they belong. Case closed.
    The MAIN problem with the muslims is that America stand behind the jew mafia and their shitty little colony, the worlds biggest selfchoosen Jew-Ghetto “israel”. That is the core of the problem.
    The muslim problem is a MADE problem and it’s the jew mafia who created and maintain this problem. The jew mafia is pitting the muslims against the white people and vice versa.

  21. This is the reason why the jew mafia is relentless promoting No borders, so that the jews can move anywhere they like.
    You’ve got to be kidding. Jews can already move anywhere they want, but they may have some problems in the Muslim World. OTOH, they don’t want to move there anyway.
    The reason Jews don’t like immigration controls in White countries is that it arouses White nationalism, which historically has turned on the Jews. Outside of White countries, Jews care nothing about immigration. Anyway, Jews mostly live in White countries, so that’s all they care about. Jews sure care about immigration to Israel though! You better believe that is tightly controlled.
    n the 1860s or 1870s the russian tsar wanted a loan from Rothschild, and yes he could have the loan – If he let the jews immigrat to Russia and live whereever they chose to in Russia.
    I really doubt if many, if any, non-Russian Jews wanted to immigrate to Russia. OTOH, Russian Jews surely wanted to live anywhere they could in Russia, that’s for sure. They were restricted to a certain area.
    The tsar said no to unlimited immigration into Russia for jews. That is the main reason Rothschild turned all the jews against the tsar.
    I think it had more to do with pogroms, promotion of anti-Semitism and the Czar’s restrictions on Jews than anything else.

  22. RL: It’s almost worse than Judaism. At least Jews are not running around blowing us up and trying to convert us by the sword. That’s what Islam does.
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    Almost, so you admit that judaism is worse than islam?
    No? Ever heard of Levon or USS Liberty? Hotel King David in Jerusalem? Who was running around in the streets in Russia throwing bombs at the russian tsar and all top officials? Ohhh … that was jews. The simple fact is that the jew mafia invented modern terrorism in Russia in the 1880s and America.
    The jew mafia have killed countless of our leders the last 130 years. Where was the muslims there? What muslim have killed american presidents? Do you know how many american presidents or would probably be president have been killed by jews in America?
    Americas problem is NOT the muslims – it’s the jew mafia.

  23. Islam says some good stuff about Jesus and his mother but also some not so good stuff about non-Muslims in general. Under Islamic Law, Christians were treated like shit in the Arab World, especially under the Ottomans. And when the Christians rebelled, over and over there were out and out genocides. In Turkey against Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians, in Iraq against Assyrians, in Iraq right now against the Christians. Look how Christians are treated in Egypt and even in Palestine. Muslims massacre Christians in Sudan, Indonesia, Philippines and Nigeria. It never ends. Under Islamic rule, there were also periodic massacres against Christians, such as in Spain. I’m a Christian, so I’m not too wild about Islam.

  24. Islam IS worse than Judaism. I don’t really give 2 flying fucks about Judaism, to be honest. You can make some complaints about it, but they don’t effect me. There’s Muslims out there who want to kill me just for being non-Muslim or an infidel American. How many Jews want to kill me?
    I’m glad Jewish revolutionaries were running around Russia in the 1880’s attacking the state. The Czar deserved to go down. Czarism was way deadlier than Communism ever was.

  25. OTOH ???
    Now we see a true liberal in “action”. The jews could NOT move anywhere they wanted in Russia at that time. How it is today has NOTHING to do withe issue.
    The jews lie, you know that Robert, and the jews lie about those “pogroms” in Russia. The jew mafia killed the tsar in 1881. If you Robert go to Thailand and stir all the americans in Thailand up and you kill the thai king then what will happen do you think?
    That is exactly what happend in Russia – the jew mafia stirred shit up and they got what they deserved, just like you and all american that was part in killing the thai king would get.
    The thai king is next to god in Thailand. If you insult the thai king you will go to prison and the nationalist thai police will kick your butt so will wich you never was born. That is what really happend in Russia.
    Do you know why the jew is hook-nosed? STOP! You can’t come in.
    Do you know why they have curly hair? How do I get in? Twisting his finger in the hair.
    The jew mafia do always want to immigrat to the countries he is banned from. The jews have been banned more than 130 times. The jew was banned for a long time from all the Scandinavian countries. The jews was banned from England for I don’t know how many centuries.
    The jews who lives and lived in muslim countries did NOT want to go to “israel” so the jew mafia throw some hand grenads and set of a couple of carbombs to scare them to move to “israel”. We have been over this before and youself has linked to a book by an Iraq jew about the jew mafia killing jews in the arab countries. When are you going to remember what you read? Stay of them junk drugs Robert.

  26. RL: I don’t really give 2 flying fucks about Judaism, to be honest.
    No, and that is why the jew mafia can control America.

  27. I don’t know much about pogroms in Russia, but lots of people were revolutionaries, not just Jews. Most of the peasants hated the Czar, most of the intellectuals, a lot of the workers. That’s why there was a successful revolution.
    I don’t know much about pogroms in Russia. I think the elite used to set the people against the Jews as a way to take the heat of the king. All I know is the peasants marching with torches chanting, “The Jews killed Jesus!” on their way to go kill some Jews. The Czars were the scum of the Earth. They destroyed Russia. I’m glad the Bolsheviks, Jews or not, got rid of the Czar and his supporters and took over Russia. That’s one great thing Jews did – led a great revolution in Russia.
    The Arab Jews took off for Israel mostly because there were pogroms and restrictions against Jews all over the Arab World after Israel was founded, and then again after each war Israel won. So a lot of Jews just said, “We’re out of here,” and took off for Israel. To this day, a lot of Arab Jews in Israel still hate Arabs for how they were treated in the Arab lands. They are the most rightwing faction of Jews in Israel.
    Even before Zionists were running around throwing hand grenades in Iraq, there was a pogrom against Jews in WW2 with a pro-Nazi regime taking over.
    Even today, it’s not safe to be a Jew in the Arab World. Al Qaeda killed a Yemeni Jew just last month.

  28. That most peasants hated the tsar I just don’t belive. One reason that is not true is that the tsar had a landreform in full swing. The peasants was sold a piece of land at a good prize the could live well on. That’s the kulaks.
    You diden’t really understand that with the thai king did you? I have been to Thailand for six month and you can rest assure that the cops would beat the crap out of anyone who attempted to hurt the king – jew or non-jew just the same.
    I’m pretty sure that if russian was in on the killing of the tsar 1881 the would get a good kicking from the cops as well. The difference is that the russians have none to tell their story from that time, but the jew mafia has the story of the jews and they lie about it all the time to get symphaty from ignorant non-jews.
    The truth is that the tsar tried all the best to stop the bashing of the jews. Yes, some jews got bashed and it was in court. One jew have written about those trials and he wrote that the jews lied about what really happend, he wrote that the jews was joking about how much the lied in the courthouse.
    The tsar send out an open letter where he said he was aware of the jews involvemeant, but that give the people or the police the right to abuse all jews because of that. You don’t want riots in your realm when you are king, you want law and order and that is what the tsar did.
    That the tsar hated jews is a total lie, all you have to understand that is to look up the GIGANTIC synagouge in St Petersburg (capitiol) and Moscow, they were both inaugurated in the 1890s.
    ——–
    I don’t like islam and my stance is very clear and has always been, stay where you belong. The muslim invasion in EU has been forced up on us – by the jews and their Useful Idiots, ie commi-liberals shit for brain who the jews pay good money to call themself “journalists”. They are doing the jew mafias dirty work to keep all nationalist out of the political spectrum. That and that only is why the muslim invasion is possible, And here is a video of the thinking of those jews.
    “The Most Disgusting Religion Known To Man!” = Talmud Judaism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yApGEpmKk&feature=PlayList&p=0D1D8F1068073B79&index=7

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