Israeli Invasion Update

The IDF claims that it is in control of Beit Layiha and and Beit Hanoun, and it has cut Gaza in half. A column of APC’s and tanks now goes from the eastern border of Gaza to the Mediterranean Sea. The IDF have taken positions on top of many roofs in the area. Right now, it is encircling Gaza City, just what I expected them to do. Pretty damn good for a mere eight hours or so into a ground invasion.
Israel is dropping leaflets all over Gaza telling people to turn in the Hamas guys around them and then everything will be cool. So Gazans are going to spy for Israel. Well, obviously, some of them already are, but I don’t think this is going to be a popular thing to do.
Hamas claims that they have already seized two wounded Israeli soldiers, but I doubt it. Israel will not confirm that. Hamas is going to make all kinds of blustery comments in the next few days, and most of them can be safely ignored.
Israel really fucked up and hit a mosque full of 200 people praying inside, killing 11 civilians. The IDF claims that the mosque was used to store weapons, but it was full of people when they bombed it. Major fuckup.
There are 2,777 Palestinian casualties in Gaza so far, for a population of 1.5 million. That is about one out of every 500 people. I now live in a city of 50,000. That would mean 100 casualties in my city. Surely you would know one of the wounded or killed. There would also be 16 killed in my city. Just to give you an idea of what it looks like on the ground.
Israel has blown up the oil supply for Gaza, which was the only thing running the generators for the hospital. There are people waiting in line outside the hospital to be treated.
However, it looks like Hamas has a tunnel network all over Gaza, and they can probably hide pretty well.
437 Gazans have been killed so far, and at least 109 of those were civilians. The death toll on the Israeli side is 4! This is the sort of thing that Israel and its supporters just don’t get. When there’s 100-1 deaths on their side versus your side, it just looks like a massacre.
While Israel engages in a war with 100-1 casualties in its favor, its Jewish casualties continuously scream at the top of their lungs that the other side, which is frankly being massacred, is about to wipe all 5 million Jews in Israel off the face of the Earth. Then when they get done, they are going to kill the other 13 million Jews on the planet.
This is why no one listens to Israel and its supporters anymore. It’s like the bully on the playground pummeling the designated and professional victims, all the while claiming that the Supervictims are serial killers ready to wipe the bully and his bully-buddies off the face of the Earth. This is not just the voice of the Israeli bully – this is the voice of all bullies everywhere, in all places and at all times.
Think about it. The professional victim picked on by the bully is always someone who seems weak, submissive and is completely harmless (doesn’t quite work in Hamas’ case, but consider the 100-1 odds). The bully always claims he is defending himself! Gangs of bullies are always defending themselves! This is how aggression works, folks. Think about it! Real hard!
I am serious, this Israeli-Palestinian War will tell you a lot about human nature. The bully always claims that the Supervictim started it. The Supervictim got out of control, and the bully had to put him in his place. The bully bullies the Supervictim day in and day out and when the Supervictim finally rises up to fight back, that is when the shit really, really, really hits the fan.
Slave rebellions will not be tolerated! The price for fighting back against bullies is dear, precious and bloody indeed.
You may think I am going on and on here, but please think about what I am writing. This is human nature. Humans are just animals and underneath it all, too many times, is just dominance and submission. The BD/SM folks justify their so-called perversions by saying that they are merely mimicking life and its ugly and inescapable reality.
Indeed it is true, is it not? In any male-female relationship, one party wears the pants, right? If the man won’t put them, damned if the woman won’t slip into the jeans herself.
Over and out. Just some thoughts for the day.

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13 thoughts on “Israeli Invasion Update”

  1. ” Israel really fucked up and hit a mosque full of 200 people praying inside, killing 11 civilians. The IDF claims that the mosque was used to store weapons, but it was full of people when they bombed it. Major fuckup.”
    Are you fucking serious? ‘Fucked up’? Do you really doubt that they are out to kill civilians? As someone pointed out, it seems the UN has accepted the Israeli definition of civilians – male Gazans, that’s 500,000 condemned to death straight off. Are policemen not civilians, especially new graduate policemen who haven’t even served yet? This isn’t a conflict, war or any other competition; it’s a massacre by the Amerisraeli military machine of a defenceless, starving, frozen civilian population.

  2. Yes, LS, I think that Israel does try pretty hard not to kill civilians. If they were out to kill civilians per se, my God, Jesus Christ, the death toll would be so much higher! Of the dead so far, only 25% are obviously civilians, so they are doing pretty well at hitting military targets. This whole idea of Israel “targeting civilians” with their bombs and artillery is a bit ridiculous.
    The people who are targeting civilians at times are the Pallies, shooting their asinine rockets at civilian and military targets alike. You can argue that they have very primitive weapons so they do not have the means to target military targets only like the US and Israel do with guided bombs and whatnot, but still…
    I wonder what Arabs would do if they DID have surgical weapons. Arabs have shown in every one of their wars, even their own internal civil wars, that they wantonly target enemy civilians. That’s just how Arabs fight. They’ve always fought dirty and probably always will. This whole idea of fighting fair in war comes out of the West and the Conventions of Geneva. The rest of the world probably thinks fighting fair in war is idiotic.
    International pressure has caused the Pallies to tone down some of their behavior. For instance, they took IDF prisoners are tried to keep them alive. The two captured in Lebanon were so badly wounded that they died quickly, but Hamas is still holding the IDF guy in Gaza, and I understand he is being treated well. The whole idea of keeping prisoners alive and treating them decently is alien to Arab culture, so I figure this is Hamas modifying their tactics based on international pressure.

  3. Are we having a racist moment here? I was going to let this go, but I like you, and I don’t think you’re an idiot, so I’ll give it a shot:
    ” his whole idea of Israel “targeting civilians” with their bombs and artillery is a bit ridiculous. ”
    EVERY agency, NGO, UN, humanitarian…- including some Israeli ones, has concluded that Israeli snipers deliberately target Palestinian children
    “The people who are targeting civilians at times are the Pallies, shooting their asinine rockets at civilian and military targets alike. You can argue that they have very primitive weapons so they do not have the means to target military targets only like the US and Israel do with guided bombs and whatnot, but still…”
    I can’t remember if it was 40 or 400 Palestinians killed in the second Intifada before the first suicide bombing.
    “I wonder what Arabs would do if they DID have surgical weapons. Arabs have shown in every one of their wars,”
    Well, we don’t have to wonder what the Israelis would do, since they DO have surgical weapons, and they manage to kill a greater percentage of children than the Pally rockets and suicide bombers.
    “…even their own internal civil wars, that they wantonly target enemy civilians…”
    I’m racking my brains to think of a ‘Western’ civil war where civilians didn’t get a hard time.
    ” That’s just how Arabs fight. They’ve always fought dirty and probably always will…”
    I think the evidence over the centuries, since the Arabs burst on the scene with Mohammed, is that they have been marginally more honourable and restrained than our own forebears; I would certainly want to see some examples and comparisons to be convinced that they were any worse.
    “This whole idea of fighting fair in war comes out of the West and the Conventions of Geneva. ”
    And how often, or consistently, has ‘the West’ practiced war according to these principles? The blitzkrieg, the firebombing of Dresden, the a-bombs on Hiroshima etc, not to mention the big H, and countless other examples.
    “The rest of the world probably thinks fighting fair in war is idiotic.”
    Those, for instance, for whom agent Orange was a formative childhood experience, might find it perplexing rather than idiotic.
    ” International pressure has caused the Pallies to tone down some of their behavior. ”
    Now I know you’re having a laugh, as they say. But it’s not funny. Really.

  4. I’m racking my brains to think of a ‘Western’ civil war where civilians didn’t get a hard time.
    Some examples are the behavior of the NPA in the Philippines and the FMLN in El Salvador. They both fought extremely clean wars. Further, the civil wars in Ireland and Spain’s Basque region were fought very cleanly from the state’s POV. NO WAY would any Arab army fight like this. They’ve always fought dirty. I get this straight from Arab commentators themselves, by the way. They know how they fight. That’s why I don’t buy that suicide bombings are “desperate”? Is the Iraqi resistance desperate? Shit. That’s how Arabs fight.
    I think the evidence over the centuries, since the Arabs burst on the scene with Mohammed, is that they have been marginally more honourable and restrained than our own forebears;
    I don’t know about this, but they don’t hold a candle to Western armies trying to fight more or less under the Geneva Conventions. To be fair, around the world, most folks, and most states, fight dirty more or less like the Arabs. The notion of fighting fair in war was initiated by the West with the Geneva Conventions and most of the world I am sure finds it comical.
    The Geneva Conventions were generally codified after WW2.
    However, to give an example, German and Japanese POW’s were generally treated far better by the US than Germans and Japs treated their own POW’s. To make a parallel of the Allies’ behavior in WW2 with the behavior of the Axis is perverse and fascist. It really was humanity versus the Orcs back in those days. The Axis wantonly targeted civilians from Day One.
    Now I know you’re having a laugh, as they say. But it’s not funny. Really.
    It’s a fact. By Arab norms, that Shalit prisoner would have been dead long ago. And in captivity, he would have been treated very badly.
    Cultural critique is not racism. Arabs can change their backwards, barbaric culture anytime they want to.

  5. Just goes to show that Jews are by and large a hyperaggressive/warmongering people – Israel can’t go more than a few years without a war.
    Both WWI and WWII (amongst other wars) were largely instigated and provoked by Jewish warmongers and the Jew-owned mass media because of the amazing profit potential inherent in large-scale conflicts. Ever notice how many Jews are involved in dealing arms and also own many of the factories which make weapons and ammo?

  6. Z! Welcome to the new blog!
    I don’t necessarily agree with the above, but I do agree with this portrayal of Israeli society:
    They are a deeply, permanently and enthusiastically militarist society at this point and such a people cannot exist without endless war, bloodshed, violence and perceived “mortal threats”, especially when they (the strong) can inflict devastating harm on the weak with impunity.
    From here.

  7. Suicide bombing is a relatively recent phenomenon, is it not? And among its most enthusiastic exponents are the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka, neither Arabs nor Muslims. Its use among Palestinians probably does stem from desperation, or at least a huge amount of anger. In Iraq, it’s probably young, stupid people or even the mentally ill/deficient put up to it by jihadist leaders. That being said, I think most of us would be pretty desperate if we had to live under the current conditions in Iraq.
    I would have to agree with LS that historically Arab/Muslim warfare has been marginally more honorable and merciful than, say, that practiced by the medieval West. But I have to say that looking at how merciless today’s Iraqis (for example) are to merely different types of Muslims, the hope for any coexistence of, say, Arabs and Jews is impossible even w/o the crimes being committed in Gaza.
    Re suicide bombing: We went to see “Valkyrie,” and all of us agreed that the would-be assassins would have been a lot more effective if one of them had had the cojones to stay around to make sure it was done right, if you know what I’m sayin’.

  8. Yes Mort, suicide bombing is a new thing, unless you count kamikazes. It seems to have started with Hezbollah in the 1980’s.
    It’s true that secular groups have done suicide bombings, but lately it seems to be done mostly by hardline Islamists. Are the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan desperate? They are great at suicide bombings. Seems to me it’s just a tactic. Suicide bombing is often a legitimate tactic if it is directed at a valid military target; it is not inherently terroristic.
    If the US left Iraq tomorrow, I can assure that the suicide bombs would go on. Would they then be due to desperation? I’m getting tired of this desperation line. More and more, sui bombs just seem to be another weapon of war.
    I do agree with you about Palestinians and Jews probably not being able to get along with each other in a single state. For one thing, both seem to be intent on dominating the other. Even the secular Arabs in the PFLP insist that the single state must be “Arab with a Jewish minority.” That’s a recipe for Arab domination.
    I will say though that the Palestinians inside Israel seem to tolerate Jews pretty well considering how shitty they are treated. They are a few attacks here and there, but mostly the two sides more or less get along and coexist with each other. As soon as Muslim Palestinians got to be a majority in a new state though, I do not think Jews would be treated very well.
    Muslims have an extremely poor record of treating minorities decently, although they do ok in Lebanon. The situation in Lebanon may be due to the very high numbers of non-Muslim Christians, who have a lot of political power and still more or less run the place despite all their whining. They also have lots of guns and a reputation for being badass fighters.
    The secular Alawites of Syria treat non-Muslims very well, but unfortunately, they are not typical Muslims at all. Non-Muslims are treated well in Morocco and Tunisia, but that is only due to secular dictatorships forced on the people. As soon as they get a chance to vote, they will vote in radical Islamists, I am pretty sure, and then any toleration will be a memory.

  9. Suicide bombing is an excellent tactic. But its a tactic that guarantees that the person executing it won’t be around to see the payoff. Whether the person is “desperate” or not is academic I suppose.

  10. When you first hear about suicide bombing, it sounds totally retarded. It sounds like a “Polish joke”. It’s like something the “Polish Army” would come up with. You know, “Hey! I have a plan! Let’s all blow ourselves up, that way we can defeat the enemy! Yeah! Good plan! Let’s do it!”
    It violates one of the principles of war, which is to preserve your own men’s health and lives, while impacting the health and lives of the enemy. But hey, I guess whatever works.

  11. Yeah, but it’s different if one guy blows himself up and takes ten or more of the enemy w/ him, esp. if he was just cannon fodder in the first place. Or if the target is one very important guy, like Hitler. The Polish cavalry would have been tons more effective if they had loaded themselves down with explosives when going out to meet the German tanks, if we’re going to rag on the Poles.

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